Lyr Req: Bold Irish men? / Jolly Irishmen

Subject: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: GUEST,Greg Burns
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 12:14 PM

HELP!!!!   I'm looking for the title and complete lyrics to the above. These lyrics are taken from an old Irish song (perhaps a drinking song or a rebel song not sure) that was sung by an old relative that is long dead. Have been trying to search this down and have not been successful. Thanks a million for all help or further direction.   Greg Burns

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: weerover
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 11:51 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: Jimmy C
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:39 PM

Greg, I

s it possible to get a few more words or phrases ?.
That may help.
Off hand I do not recollect any song with " Bold Irishmen were they ".

Jimmy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: boab d
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 06:44 PM

wsame as above i ve just reciently got the 50 irish rebel songs and a few dubliners ones also a wee bit more info and i ll see what i can do

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: GUEST,Greg Burns
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:32 AM

Thanks!   I'll see what other info i can get. Will be back ASAP. GB [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: GUEST,Greg Burns
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:33 AM

Jimmy: I'll see if I can get more phrases from this song. Thanks! GB [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: weerover
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:24 AM

Refresh - still no takers?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From:
Date: 11 Dec 02 - 04:01 PM

Hi: Still trying to get further info, will be back asap. thanks for help and patience.   GB

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: weerover
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 12:48 PM

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 01:22 PM

By any chance, would this be a Fenian song? It has been over a year since we heard from the posting guest; if he does not answer with a detail or two, it is unlikely that the song can be identified.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: Big Tim
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 03:41 PM

"Bold Irishman was he"?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:19 AM

Hooroo boys here we are again, here we are again, here we are again. Hooroo boys here we are again, bold Irishmen are we..

Not sure if this is the same song but its one Ive been searching for to no avail. A friend had it on a CD and it became one of my favorites.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: MartinRyan
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:31 AM

A Google on "Bold Irishmen are we" turns up some very interesting late 19C. references including this: Click here

Might be worth changing the thread title a little...

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 13 - 10:04 PM

How about, "Bold Irish Boys are We."

O I'm a ranting roving blade from Ireland I came,
And if you want to know me more, Pat Murphy is my name,
And the reason I am here tonight, is to tell you of a spree,
That happened to a chap named Dan and another chap-that's me.
Dan and his girl were married-O-through love you know,
And so and so, and all the boys from there below assembled at the spree.
There was Pat and Dan and Mary Ann and McCann,
O'Toole, the fool and podgem dool and me.
                     
                         Chorus

We had a row, that very night, that put the ladies in a fright,
There was murder, right and tight, when all the boys began to fight.
Hooru boys, here we are again, here we are again, here we are again;
Hooru boys, here we are again,-bold Irish boys are we.

O, the girls were all in muslin dressed and the boys in corduroy,
There was dandy Pat with a new plug hat that he stole from Pat Malloy,
O, Teddy Whack, with a broken back, came limpin' on a stick,
And next came Ted and Leatherhead, and Shamus, Shawn and Nick.
And they were not melancholy-O, but jolly-O, so jolly-O,
With Biddie, Jane and Molly-O, all dancing at the spree.
There were knives and forks, and Irish spuds all in their duds,
There was wine and beer and gingerbread and tay.

Chorus

O, Pat Crogan asked Phil Dolan's wife to dance the quadruped,
She sighed and said, she was afraid the punch got in her head.
Phil Dolan's sweetheart then got vexed and struck Pat Crogan's wife,
Pat Crogan jumped up and swore he that he'd have Phil Dolan's life.
And the divil of a row was then begun, was then begun, was then begun,
And the divil of a row was then begun, bold Irish boys are we.
We fought and drank, and drank and fought, and fought and drank.
We fought and drank,-bold Irish boys are we.

Chorus

This version is from 1923. At the time it was stated that they did not the origin or original tune. Tune anybody? The lyrics are flexible.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 06:08 AM

Sounds very likely that's the one referred to in the 1880's newspaper item I posted above. I'll have a hunt in the Irish Traditional Music Archive records under that title.

Regards

Subject: Lyr Add: JOLLY IRISHMEN (William Carleton)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 04:22 PM

From Tony Pastor's Book of Six Hundred Comic Songs and Speeches by Tony Pastor (New York: Dick & Fitzgerald, 1867), page 18:

[The lyrics are printed with lots of dialect spellings (e.g. "murdher" for murder, "axed" for asked, "bowld" for bold, etc.). I have used standard spelling instead. I have also adjusted the line breaks to follow a regular pattern and emphasize the rhyme.]


JOLLY IRISHMEN.
Written and first sung in America by William Carleton, at Tony Pastor's Opera House, New York.
Air—"New Sensation"

1. I am a jolly Irishman; from Ireland I came.
If you want to know me more, Pat Murphy is my name.
The reason I am here tonight is to tell you of a spree
That happened to a chap called Dan, and another chap—that's me.
Dan and his girl were married, oh!
Through love, you know, and so and so—
And all the boys from there below
    Assembled at the spree.
There was Mike and Dan
And Mary Anne and Pat McCann;
There was Toole, the fool
    And Pat Drumgoole and me.

[CHORUS] We had a row that very night.
We put the women in a fright.
There was murder right and tight,
And all the boys began to fight.
Hurroo, boys! Here we are again.
Here we are again; here we are again.
Hurroo, boys! Here we are again.
Bold Irishmen are we.

2. Pat Grogan asked Tim Doolan's wife to dance a quadruped.
She sighed and said she was afraid the punch got in her head.
Pat Grogan's sweetheart then got vexed and struck Tim Doolan's wife.
Tim Doolan then jumped up and swore he'd have Pat Grogan's life.
They kicked up the devil of a row just then,
Of a row just then, of a row just then.
They kick up the devil of a row just then.
    Bold Irishmen were they.
They fought and drank,
And drank and fought,
And fought and drank.
They drank and fought.
    Bold Irishmen were they.

[CHORUS] They had a row that very night, etc.

3. The girls were all in muslin dressed, the boys in corduroy.
There was dandy Pat in a new felt hat he got from Pat Molloy.
Old Teddy Whack, with the broken back, came limping on a stick.
There was Ned and Ted and Leatherhead and Shamus Shawn and Dick.
And they were not melancholy, oh!
But jolly, oh, so jolly, oh!
With Biddy, Jane, and Molly, oh!
    All dancing at the spree.
There was wine and punch
And Irish spuds in their duds.
There was knives and forks
    And ginger beer and tea.

[CHORUS] But they had a row that very night, etc.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men were they
From: MartinRyan
Date: 29 Oct 13 - 04:48 PM

Great work, as ever, Jim. I know some Dublin singers who love this sort of material - must check if they know it.

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men? / Jolly Irishmen
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 04:32 PM

Very cool that you were able to track down the original source. The 1860's were just before my time so I am not familiar with the tune they reference. Do you folks know anything about it? I would love to be able to close the loop and hear the original tune but searching for "New Sensation" gets you mired in modern references.

Thanks (I added the 1923 version)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bold Irish men? / Jolly Irishmen
From: GUEST,#
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 07:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS3BchQddCw

Jolly Irishmen · Robert McPherson

It can be heard there.