BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Bert
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 05:32 PM

Hey Sian, re the "=" sign, I didn't know that Robert Record was Welsh.

They cared for thousands of English evacuees during WWII.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Stu
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 08:48 AM

To begin at the beginning . . .

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 08:44 AM

snogs- should i b expecting a hit man at my session?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: HuwG
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 08:33 AM

sian from west wales and CET: There is another Welsh connection to the New World which was discussed some years ago. It is well known that Cabot (I forget which - John ? Sebastian ?) made a landfall in Newfoundland in 1497. His journals revealed that he had a lot of help from his pilot, one "John Scolvus". "Scolvus" is Latin for skilful. It is thought that this was actually one John Lloyd, a Welshman of Bristol; and he was so much help to Cabot because he had been there before. (Several Bristol merchants apparently knew about the rich fishing grounds of the Grand Banks, but wanted to keep the knowledge to themselves).

Evidently, the Bristol (and Welsh) attitudes to voyages of exploration differed greatly from Columbus's (and Cabot's) heavily-subsidised state enterprises. What happens should two Welshmen independently find America ? Well, then you get two continents for the price of one.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 06:51 AM

Elvis Presly- preseli?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: songs2play
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 06:51 AM

I don't believe it.
Mr H, how dare you.
The answer to your question is obvious.
Everything that is worth anything.

Best wishes from a Rhondda Valley Boy.


I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 06:46 AM

Further, the term "bug" as in "computer bug" which can be traced back to the Welsh "bwgan" (bogey, evil spirit, nasty spirit type of thing)

According to this site we can add

Jack Daniels

Elvis Presly

Lawn Tennis

Golf scoring system


sian

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Skipper Jack
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 06:27 AM

There's Idris Davies The Tonypandy Poet who gave us the poem "Bells Of Rhymney" set to music of course music by Pete Seeger.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Whippett
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 05:05 AM

Apart from being annoying bleating rugby playing sheep loving overbearing pompous prats what more can they give...

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 05:04 AM

& the welsh empire: Patagonia!

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 04:50 AM

Gareth, I don't know if Stan Hugill was born/raised in Wales, but I believe he taught at a ... sailing school? outward bound type of place? in Wales. Not sure if it wasn't somewhere around Barmouth...

Re: Ryan and Ronnie, Ryan actually died in New York *state" - either Buffalo or Rochester, again working from memory. Ronnie only died a few years ago and, although I suppose the BBC report is accurate, it isn't entirely fair. Ronnie did some very good work, sometime some quite amazing 'out of the envelope' stuff, following Ryan's unexpected demise and I'd hate for people to completely dismiss him. I know that he also did a bit of mentoring of Ryan's son who plays Mark on Pobl y Cwm, amongst other things.

I suppose to extend the list we should add, in addition to the International Eisteddfod, the general concept of Eisteddfod (although we might not think that it's a 100 per cent good thing). Australia has a lot of eisteddfodau, doesn't it? And my father always told me that the Kiwanis Festivals in Canada were started by a Kiwanis member who was from Wales...

Oh, and Lawrence of Arabia, SuperTed, Henry Morton Stanley (as in "Dr. Livingston, I presume?"), the Snowdon Lily, and I think we have the first government in Europe to have an official Sustainable Development Policy.

sian

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 03:57 AM

The first red flag as a symbol of revolution -- a sheet dipped in sheep's blood raised at Merthyr.

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 12:50 PM

Well - If we must mention Wales' shame.

Hesseltine, Sir Geoffrey Howe, Woy Jenkins, Lord Owen....

And the less said about yesterdays Rugby result the better.

Oh and for the benefit of U S of A catters - John L. Lewis, a great man.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 11:45 AM

I'm glad nobody's mentioned Enoch Powell.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Skipper Jack
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 11:41 AM

A few more names spring to mind;

David Lloyd George

Bonnie Tyler
Maudie Edwards
Dorothy Squires
Shakin' Stevens

Isn't Michael Hesseltine Welsh? I know he has or had a house in Swansea? Though I am not sure what he has done for us?

Has any one mentioned Cathryn Zeta Jones?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 10:45 AM

I did a search on Ryan and Ronnie after asking here and found this:

RYAN & RONNIE (early '70s)
BBC CYMRU

BI-LINGUAL WELSH sketch show anglicised by the Beeb for a wider audience. There was, predictably, a very Celtic flavour to the comedy. The best remembered part was soap-opera, 'Our House', in which RYAN DAVIES played the mother and RONNIE WILLIAMS the father of a generally dysfunctional valleys family. The errant daughter (called Phyllis-Doris and played by MYFANWY TALOG) was constantly berating her parents for their general lack of anything approaching modern attitudes. The son (Nigel Wynn, played by BRYN WILLIAMS) was good for nothing much but this didn't stop "Mam" from referring to him constantly as 'the light of my life'. Ryan died of a heart attack mid-70s in New York. Ronnie tried to carry on, but life collapsed into alcoholism and bankruptcy.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: MARINER
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 10:35 AM

Hells teeth, i forgot Dafyd and Gyyndaf Roberts (Ar Log), two of the finest harpists (triple I do believe)to come from there. As for Ryan and Ronnie, they were a very funny pair but I think Ryan passed away many years ago.Perhaps someone can enlighten us on that.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 09:54 AM

What happened to Ryan and Ronnie? They could be quite funny.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 09:03 AM

myfanwy- fantastic tune & song

i hear an 'orse [all thru the night]

miners choirs

s4c- some brill rhaglenni[programmes]with eng subtitles, when there's nowt worth watching on the other channels.also another chance to see anything you missed or wish to see again from channel 4.there's frequent folk progs too & often features trad dancing + morris.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Skipper Jack
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 06:12 AM

Has anybody mentioned:
Ivor Novello?
Donald (by a babbling brook)Peers?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 12:52 AM

Dacw Mam yn Dwad

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 08:42 PM

They took a lot of surplus cattle off Englishmen's hands.

HuwG, I didn't know Willie John McBride was Welsh.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 06:24 PM

Well if it wasn't us boys, Anne Robinson wouldn't be what she is today - The Weakest Link!!

And God bless you Curmudgeon.

Regards Skipper Jack,
Baggyrinkle (The ONLY shanty group in Wales)

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Gareth
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 03:29 PM

Ooops a Mud splatter.

Amirica - Well the Welsh sailed there long before Columbus did !

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 08:18 AM

I may have overlooked a message, but I dont think anyone has mentioned Cwm Rhonnda, all time favourite for funerals, weddings and rugger games.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Marc
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 08:15 AM

Wasn't Stan Hugill from Wales?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Gareth
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 08:14 AM

America ? -

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: CET
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 10:08 PM

Sian: "America?". Tell us more.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Tom Hamilton
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 09:54 PM

The welsh gave us quite a lot, names of towns that us Scots can't say.
A Goon and great singing.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 07:45 PM

Dai Gent invented the concept of the specialist scrum half and fly half, as opposed to the previous habit of just having a left and right half.
   Joseph Parry wrote the hymn tune "Aberystwyth" for "Jesu lover of my soul". And hymn tunes don't come any more throbbing with emotion than that.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 07:41 PM

Ranger Steve, thanks, amidst all this stuff, it appears we had managed to miss out a master of the triple harp and a great exponent of Welsh music.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 07:37 PM

if this thread is going to DragOn at least I can console myself that it is a red one.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 07:30 PM

Os dydych chi ddim yn gwybod---Tough
Bill (the sound)

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: MARINER
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 06:16 PM

They've also given us Meic Stevens, and with a little help from Ireland, way back, The Hennessy's which includes Frank Hennessy one of Wales' greatest modern writer of folk songs. Surprised no one mentioned either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 06:02 PM

Robin Huw Bowen.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 02:23 PM

At last! Someone has mentioned the great Nye Bevan.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 02:12 PM

Owain Glyndwr

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Gareth
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 02:03 PM

The NHS based on the Tredeger Miners Health Scheme. Sorry you U S Of A catters your time will come.

The Stones at Stonehenge.

Archers capable of slaughtering French and Spanish Chivalry.

A reason for the English to feel inferior.

Water for the Brummies !

Gold

Preserved Railwaylines.

Nye Bevan.

A short cut between the ROI and English building sites.


Garydd ap Godri ap ( continue for severel hundred ancestors)

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 12:41 PM

Paddy Plastique, Holyhead is a dump but South Stack and the lighthouse is quite nice if you happen to be in that area.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: breezy
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 12:33 PM

Breezy, won some soccer games, won Bitain's only gold weight-lifting medals in the Commonwealth games,organised milk deliveries, led the way in singing,taught London's kids,need I go on?

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 12:28 PM

Baggyrinkle!

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 12:20 PM

don't call will on yer father!

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Paddy Plastique
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 11:59 AM

Sian,

Are you spelling it with 1 'n' for copyright purposes ?? :->

I have drunk draught Guinness down here in the SW of France which had come from a brewery in Llanelli

Served by a Welsh Breton called Dave

Only decent stout I've ever gotten in France...

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 11:37 AM

HuwG, modesty does not permit....

And let us add: Guiness.

sian

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Paddy Plastique
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 11:34 AM

John Charles



Cardiff City Hooligans



Somewhere for all us seasick Paddies to vomit on dry land (Holyhead)

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: HuwG
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 11:30 AM

Are you including youself, Sian, or is that just your signature ?

"Cypress Leylandii", by the way.


Charlotte Church; Max Boyce; Ryan and Ronnie (much missed); the steam railway (never mind Stephenson et al; the first one ran in Penydarren in 1820-something);Most of the immortal 1973 Bar-bars; etc.

Subject: RE: BS: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 11:14 AM

The "=" sign.

America, or at least the name, "America".

18 signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Ioan Gruffydd.

Some great hymns: Hyfrydol, Cwm Rhondda, Aberystwyth, et al.

All Through the Night

Deck the Halls

The Actuary tables (for insurance)

Those hedging coniferous things that I can't spell but make neighbours want to shoot each other. Leilandi?

The first mail-order catelogue business.

Robert Owen.

Some might say Merlin.

First beer in tin cans.

Corgis

Those terriers that look like lambs and were bred in Pembrokeshire - can't remember the name of the breed. Bedlington?

sian

Subject: RE: Obit: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Sandy McLean
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 10:30 AM

My mother in law was from Wales . She came to Canada as a war-bride.
She has done more for me than I could tell.
                         Sandy

Subject: RE: Obit: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: HuwG
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 10:24 AM

... and the slates which roofed the British Empire; a fair number of Australia's early (convict) settlers; Neil Kinnock (best PM we never had); Patagonia's early settlers; Richard Llewelyn; Stanley Baker; Pobol y Cwm; transvestite rioters; etc. etc.

Subject: RE: Obit: What have the Welsh ever done for us ?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 10:04 AM

the highest pint of beer in the UK?- d'ye mean its gone off?