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Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz

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Subject: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 05:40 AM

Not Another Alphabet Quiz!



Here's another complete alphabet, this time entirely made up of songs (all but one or two are in the DT). Answers, as usual, on the forum.

A - Following the dance, love may not be all it appears.
B - Sylvan infants are exposed.
C - His love's large and pleasant though, from her name, she ought to be a right cow.
D - Ladies shouldn't indulge in this occupation. It'll leave you with nothing but dreams you can't afford.
E - Magical animal from the lakes can only be destroyed by a silver bullet.
F - There are many in the woods. 1513 to be precise.
G - Earthbound, as it was otherwise too high. Always punctual though.
H - He drew the short straw and sunk a merchant ship.
I - Here's a puzzle, just what Eve did to Adam.
J - If he wasn't so fastidious about where he slept, she may well have been less disappointed.
K - McCall's 98 mystery man - was he last seen in the Isle of Man?
L - The lad's silly angles cause havoc, but it all ends well with an extraordinary division.
M - Lord Lurgan's lad beats the English rose at Waterloo.
N - Midlands beverage, like no liquor on earth!
O - The boss says he's sailing on the morning tide, so she thinks she'll try girls instead.
P - I'm rising, you're not, and so it's farewell!
Q - We'll drink the health of them all, where the girls and grass are scanty.
R - She appeared like an angel in feature and form, so he showed her it!
S - Visiting his love in hospital - she's so sweet, so cool, so fair ... so dead!
T - Trio of thieves from a Norfolk port, all coming to bad ends.
U - We know where she hid it, but her dad wonders where she got it and who from.
V - Stand-in church musician is unashamedly sentimental.
W - Lord, what an ally. The panacea is in prayer.
X - Late winter naval action leaves seven turks sunk.
Y - Certain rules of decorum apply on an omnibus, depending on the relationship.
Z - Adge would like to swim in the low countries.


If you do as well as for the previous quizzes, it should take about 3 hours or so. Collaboration is strongly encouraged and comments about songs, tunes, writers, performers (or anything else) are very welcome.

Good luck.
Ian


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:25 AM

to give it a start:

H - Henry Martin


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:28 AM

babes in the Wood
Flowers of the Forest
Jon (Oh No)
Kelly
St james Inf
Zummerzet?? but I dont know why


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:37 AM

IanC you say they are all songs. does that mean the answers are actual titles, or just references in songs? because P seems to me to be something to do with Goodnight and Joy be with you all, and that begins with G.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: MairSea
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:40 AM

Is 'V' the Volunteer Organist? A late 1800's - early 1900's song?

If it is - does anyone have the words AND music to it. Would dearly love it for an old friend who's sight is going and cannot read the picture cards he has with the words on. Would dearly love to give him a music copy for his Christmas.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:43 AM

So P will be Parting Glass (thanks Greg)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:44 AM

Thanks Noreen think I'm a bit stupid this AM!


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:45 AM

D- Don't get married girls


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:47 AM

After the Ball


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From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:49 AM

U- Underneath her apron


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From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:50 AM

A - After the Ball was Over?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:51 AM

C - Cushie Butterfield


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From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:52 AM

O- Our Captain cried 'all hands'?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Watson
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:52 AM

Saint James Infirmary


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:52 AM

C must be Cushy Buttercup, and I wish she were mine.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Watson
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:53 AM

Sorry Greg, I didn't notice you'd got that one.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:54 AM

Master McGrath( not the one from Harlow!!)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:56 AM

T-Three jolly rogues of Lymm (I always thought that they were from Lymm in Cheshire...)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:56 AM

T Three Jolly Rogues of Lynne.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:58 AM

:0)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Declan
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:59 AM

After the Ball
Parting Glass (Goodnight & Joy is an alternate title)
You should never throw your Granny off the bus ??


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:00 AM

Nottingham Ale


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:05 AM

Thanks Ian, that's all I can come up with of the top of my head and I'm going to be late for work :0)
Another good quiz.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:06 AM

Good start!

So far ...


A - After The Ball
B - Babes In The Wood
C - Cushie Butterfield
D - Don't Get Married, Girls
E - ??
F - Flowers Of The Forest
G - ??
H - Henry Martin
I - ??
J - ??
K - ?? ... Greg - Kelly who?
L - ??
M - Master McGrath
N - ??
O - Our Captain Cried All Hands
P - A Parting Glass
Q - ??
R - ??
S - St James Infirmary
T - Three Jolly Rogues of Lynn
U - Underneath Her Apron
V - The Volunteer Organist
W - ??
X - ??
Y - ??
Z - ??


Yes, they're all song titles (though Z is only part of one - I sometimes have to cheat.

Greg - Z's not Zummerzet but youve got the right angle.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:09 AM

Y - I think Declan has it, but I give you the slightly different title in the DT: Ye canna shove yer Granny.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:09 AM

I think J is Black Jack Davey rather than Jon. All that stuff about the goosefeather bed . How do you turn sheets down bavely?
Back to Cushy B, I wish she were HERE.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:10 AM

Kelly, the boy from Killane / the Isle of Man


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From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:13 AM

E - Eskdale Hare
R - Riley (William)?


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Subject: Lyr ADD: Volunteer Organist
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:16 AM

Well done!

Y - Ye Cannae Shove Y'r Granny Off A Bus
K - Kelly, The Boy From Killanne

Keith - BJD fits the clue all right, but it's not the answer!

Some notes

"Kelly, The Boy From Killann"
John Kelly is remembered in the ballad by P.J. McCall. Kelly is one of the mystery men of 1798. Both friends and foes admired him as brave and good, but there are few facts about Kelly recorded in history. He served in the rebel army for no more than a week and fought twice. He and the men of Killann marched through The Leap to the camp at Vinegar Hill on 29th May after the battle at Enniscorthy. He was one of the leaders who led the rebels from Three Rocks and beat the government troops on 30th May.   He fought and was badly wounded at the Battle of New Ross. From there he was brought to Three Bullet Gate and then to Wexford. There he remained until General Lake entered the town, when he was tried by court martial and hanged.

"The Volunteer Organist" by Henry Lamb is pure period sentiment but none the worse for that. Wherever and whenever this type of ballad is performed, it is not long before Lamb's song is mentioned. Recorded Ada Jones (US) 1893/4 (http://www.garlic.com/~tgracyk/ada.htm). Recorded - (Henry Lamb / William B. Glenroy) - Peter Dawson / organ / O - Edison cyl. BA 23026 (mx. 4M-12015-1) - London, early 1909 ... Ada's earliest recordings were brown wax cylinders made for Edison in late 1893 or early 1894 (no recording logs of this period exist). Two surviving cylinders are "Sweet Marie" (North American 1289), a song by Raymon Moore, and "The Volunteer Organist" (North American 1292). Piano accompaniment is presumably by Edison's house pianist, Frank P. Banta. A male does the announcement for each record.


MairSea - here's the words anyway (I learned this off my dad)

The Volunteer Organist (sung by George Spicer)   (Roud 5378)
(Recorded 12.11.59 at The Oak Tree, Ardingley)

The preacher in the village church one Sunday morning said
"Our organist is ill today; will someone play instead?"
An anxious look crept o'er the face of every person there
As eagerly they watched to see who'd fill the vacant chair.
An old man staggered down the aisle, his clothes were old and torn
A stranger drunken seemed to be in church on Sunday morn
But as he touched those organ keys, without a single word
The melody that followed was the sweetest ever heard.

Chorus:
The scene was one I'll ne'er forget as long as I may live
And just to see it o'er again, all earthly wealth I'll give
Our congregation all amazed, the preacher old and grey,
The organ and the oganist who volunteered to play.

Each eye shed tears within the church, the strongest men grew pale.
The organist, in melody, had told his life's own tale.
The sermon of the preacher was, no lesson to compare
With that of life's example who sat in the organ chair.
And when the service reached its close not a soul had left his seat
Except the poor old organist, who started for the street.
Down the aisle and to the door he slowly made his way
The preacher rose and softly said "Kind brethren, let us pray."

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Declan
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:17 AM

Z in the low counries is Zuider zee ? - Don't know the song though


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:20 AM

I guess we're talking "Drink up thi Zyder"??


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:20 AM

Declan: That sounds right. There is a version of "Lowlands Low", I am sure, which mentions the "Zuider Zee". Can't find it though ...


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:22 AM

Is Q Queensland Drovers ? Not in DT though.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:28 AM

The '23rd of February' describes a battle with seven Turkish Men-o-War but I can't think of an X reference. That must be it, though (Late winter)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:29 AM

Q: yes, that must be it, in the DT as Queensland overlanders.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:30 AM

W - With God on Our Side (I can't believe we all took so long!)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:31 AM

Well done ...

E - Eskdale Hare
Q - Queensland Overlander (Queensland Rover)

R's Scottish!

Some notes

"Cushie Butterfield" ...one of George (Geordie) Ridley's classic tyneside music hall songs, written to a tradiytional tune. "Cush" or "Cushie" is a commonly used word for "Cow" in most of rural England and "Butterfield" no doubt also adds to the amusement. George Ridley was born in 1834 and died, at the age of 30, in 1864.

"Don't Get Married, Girls" ... Leon Rosselson's dig at wedded bliss. Leon started writing songs seriously (and humourously) in the early 1950s and hasn't stopped yet. His song The World Turned Upside Down is sung across the globe, and dozens of others are standars on the political song scene.

"The Eskdale Hare" - Written by Gus Gomersall. The only version I have is sung by "Swan Arcade". Eskdale is just south of Scafell Pike in the (English) Lake District.


:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:33 AM

IanC always resorts to Roman numerals when he's short of X's. I think you have it, DmcG, it's XXIII. congratulations, I've been cheating and using computer searches and got nowhere with Turkish ships and Xmas and things. However, I did find that the Russians sank seven Turkish ships at the battle of Sinope, which was interesting, though not in late winter(Nov 1853).


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:40 AM

R - Road to Dundee


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:40 AM

due to the hint:
R- Road to Dundee

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:43 AM

Only because you're closer to Mudcat Central, DMcG.

Wolfgang :)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:44 AM

No, its because you wasted precious seconds typing 'due to the hint'!!

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:46 AM

Road to Dundee I havent got a computer so I had to deliver this by hand


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:47 AM

Late entry for Pedants Corner: the Road and the Miles to Dundee


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:52 AM

So we have to share the reward three ways now, do we? (Although IanC has disqualified answers for smaller mistakes before!)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:55 AM

K still needs clearing up, I see, since Ian needed Greg to explain his answer

Has anybody here seen Kelly?
K,E,double-l, y
....
Kelly from the Isle of Man


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 07:58 AM

Sorry, I've just re-raed the earlier thread for K. My K is, I see, entirey wrong.


(sulks in corner)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:00 AM

TI've a bit lost track of the Z situation, but if nobody's said this its Adge Cutler's "I'd like to swim in the Zider Zee", or some variant spelling of that.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:03 AM

... now running for 2h 20 minutes ... What's the latest position, Ian?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:06 AM

Well Im flailing about here..if J isnt O no John or Black Jack Davy, how about Johnnie Faa?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:07 AM

Z could also be "I am a Zider drinker".
DMcG: there is a reference to the Zuider Zee in a song for which I acn't recall the title (Possibly "The windmill's turning") The verse:

In Holland there's a smiling face
Beside the Zuider Zee,
With eye so light, the blues so bright
They shine across the sea
Her eyes forever to the sun,
A tulip in her hair
And when she's sad she starts to sing
To lovers everywhere

CH:
The The windmill's turning
My heart is yearning
In dreams I'm bringing to you our love refrain
The The windmill's turning
My heart is yearning
And in my heart dear, I know we'll meet again

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:09 AM

G - Grandfather's Clock


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:13 AM

Another little item for Pedants Corner: IanC, I think you will find that in your clue for G, it should be "too tall", not "too high".


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:14 AM

Though I am well aware,of course, that folk-songs exist in many versions.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:23 AM

Just done a little research on Grandfather's Clock. I think I'm right: though it has been recorded both as "too large" and "too high" as well, Henry Clay Work's original words are indeed "too tall". And that definitely conforms to the standard pedantic nitpicker's distinction between the meanings of "high" and "tall".


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:26 AM

And while I'm on the subject, it wasnt on the earth it was on the floor. And far from always being punctual, it's not been running for more than 100 years. Get a grip, IanC!!


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:32 AM

Are J and L the only ones left now?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:42 AM

I believe these remain:
I, K, L, N, and X


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:44 AM

Oops - and J, if it's not Johnnie Faa


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:49 AM

Kelly from Killane and
Nottingham Ale have been mentioned

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:50 AM

I think N and X are done: Ian hasnt adjudicated, but I'm pretty confident about Nottingham Ale and XXIII. K is definitely done.
I dont know about Johnnie faa, I'm not at all confident. I and L are still untouched I think.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:55 AM

XXIIrd of February was Ian's and DMcG's collaboration for X. Sounds true too.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:59 AM

Invitation to Lubberland (without conviction)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:59 AM

I think J is The Jolly Beggar.

"He would not lie within the barn nor yet within the byre
But he would in the corner lie down by the kitchen fire"


If he hadn't been so picky about sleeping in the kitchen, she never would have enountered him naked in the night and slept with him thinking he was just pretending to be a beggar.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:02 AM

Nice one Jeri. Now how about this lad with his silly angles?? I haven't got an inkling what we're on about. And what did Eve do to Adam? Introduced him to knowledge and/or sex? That doesnt seem to lead me anywhere.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:07 AM

Of course: "I will give my love an apple"


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:09 AM

Oh heck -
I = I Will Give My Love an Apple


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:12 AM

Greg, you may be hand delivering your answers but I'm sending them in on courier snails.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:15 AM

I think, Jeri, we're both slightly out. I have reread IanC grammatical construction of the I clue, and I think we ought to go for the version called "I gave my love an apple". He can be very picky when saying whether we're right or not.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:27 AM

L - Lobachevsky, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:50 AM

L - Lambton Worm. Angles as in fishing and the worm is cut into three halves.


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:02 AM

Sorry

went to lunch!!!

back in 5 mins!

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:30 AM

Well, looks like it ... oh no! not quite. W was a good answer, but not the one I have. Anyone want to try for it?

Summary so far:

A - After The Ball
B - Babes In The Wood
C - Cushie Butterfield
D - Don't Get Married, Girls
E - Eskdale Hare
F - Flowers Of The Forest
G - Grandfather's Clock
H - Henry Martin
I - I Will Give My Love An Apple
J - Jolly Beggarman
K - Kelly, The Boy From Killanne
L - The Lambton Worm
M - Master McGrath
N - Nottingham Ale
O - Our Captain Cried All Hands
P - A Parting Glass
Q - Queensland Overlander (Queensland Rover)
R - Road (And The Miles) to Dundee
S - St James Infirmary
T - Three Jolly Rogues of Lynn
U - Underneath Her Apron
V - The Volunteer Organist
W - ??
X - The XXIII February
Y - Ye Cannae Shove Y'r Granny Off A Bus
Z - (I'd Like To Swim In The) Zuider Zee


:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:35 AM

A sincere plea to Mudcat oldtimers / Not ANOTHER alphabet quiz

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:36 AM

The last post was of course for the thread name game thread.

Wolfgang (who does thoroughly enjoy these threads)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:55 AM

Some more of me notes:

"After The Ball" ... Charles K Harris's (1892) tearjerker was much parodied and it's the popular parody I was thinking about here. Noel Coward used the title for a musical adaptation of "Lady Windermere's Fan" in 1954 and must surely have known about both the original and the parodies.

"Babes In The Wood" ... a traditional song which is much older than the pantomimes based on it. The ballad (with melody?) appears to have been published in Norwich by Thomas Millington in 1595, though Bishop Percy (Reliques) attributed it to Robert Tarleton (1601).

"Henry Martin" (Andrew Barton) ... If lasting ballads of great battles are few, those of more or less mythologized flurries with pirate ships abound, and some seem well nigh indestructible. During the present century, there is hardly a traditional singer of note, from Henry Burstow to Sam Larner, who had not his good version of Henry Martin, a piece that has remained a favourite through many vicissitudes since it was first printed (in 82 verses!) at the outset of the seventeenth century, and sold from cheap stationers' halls in St Paul's churchyard and elsewhere. [...] In the course of time, passing by word of mouth from one country singer to another, the song grew shorter, the long-winded narrative pared down till only a swift account of the piracy remained. Perhaps through mishearing, the captain's name was altered first to Andy Bardan and then to Henry Martin. The piece remains one of the most-sung ballads of our time. (Lloyd, England 259)


Anyone up for "W - Lord, what an ally. The panacea is in prayer." ... DMcG got a good one, but it's not mine!

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:03 AM

What a friend we have in Jesus?


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Subject: Lyr Add: Flowers of The Forest (different words)
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:27 AM

Well done, DMcG!

A - After The Ball
B - Babes In The Wood
C - Cushie Butterfield
D - Don't Get Married, Girls
E - Eskdale Hare
F - Flowers Of The Forest
G - Grandfather's Clock
H - Henry Martin
I - I Will Give My Love An Apple
J - Jolly Beggarman
K - Kelly, The Boy From Killanne
L - The Lambton Worm
M - Master McGrath
N - Nottingham Ale
O - Our Captain Cried All Hands
P - A Parting Glass
Q - Queensland Overlander (Queensland Rover)
R - Road (And The Miles) to Dundee
S - St James Infirmary
T - Three Jolly Rogues of Lynn
U - Underneath Her Apron
V - The Volunteer Organist
W - What A Friend We Have In Jesus
X - The XXIII February
Y - Ye Cannae Shove Y'r Granny Off A Bus
Z - (I'd Like To Swim In The) Zuider Zee


Here's some notes on "Flowers of The Forest" and another version of the lyrics.

"Flowers Of The Forest"


There are three different songs to the old tune.

Jane (Jean) Elliot (1727-1805) wrote the poem "The Flowers of the Forest: A Lament for Flodden" and published it anonymously circa 1755. It was, at the time, thought to be an ancient surviving ballad. However, Burns suspected it was an imitation, and Burns, Ramsay and Sir Walter Scott eventually discovered who wrote the song. It is the most popular version.

Lament For Flodden
by Jane Elliot (1727-1805) - written circa 1755

I've heard them liltin', at the ewe milkin,
'Lasses a-liltin' before dawn of day.
Now there's a moanin', on ilka green loanin'.
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

As boughts in the mornin', nae blithe lads are scornin',
Lasses are lonely and dowie and wae.
Nae daffin', nae gabbin', but sighin' and sobbin',
Ilk ane lifts her leglin, and hies her away.

At e'en in the gloamin', nae swankies are roamin',
'Mang stacks wi' the lasses at bogle to play.
But ilk maid sits drearie, lamentin' her dearie,
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

In har'st at the shearin' nae youths now are jeerin'
Bandsters are runkled, and lyart, or grey.
At fair or at preachin', nae wooin', nae fleecin',
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

Dool for the order sent our lads to the Border,
the English for ance by guile wan the day.
The flowers of the forest, that fought aye the foremost,
The prime of our land lie cauld in the clay.

We'll hae nae mair liltin', at the ewe milkin',
Women and bairns are dowie and wae.
Sighin' and moanin' on ilka green loanin',
The flowers of the forest are all wede away.

According to The Scots Musical Museum there is a fragment of an old ballad in the Skene Manuscript titled The flowres of the Forrest, and an air so titled appeared in Oswald's collection and several others. However, the old ballad did not survive. The earliest version was the one below, by Mrs. Cockburn. According to the Museum, a man known to Mrs. Cockburn heard a shepherd playing a flute. Fascinated by the air, he learned it was The Flowers of the Forest. He committed the air to memory and communicated it to Mrs. Cockburn. She recognized the tune and knew some lines of the old ballad. He prevailed upon her to write new words.

Flowers of The Forest
Alison Rutherford Cockburn (1712-1794)

I've seen the smiling
Of fortune beguiling,
I've tasted her pleasures,
And felt her decay;
Sweet is her blessing,
And kind her caressing,
But now they are fled
And fled far away.

I've seen the forest
Adorned the foremost,
Wi' flowers o' the fairest
Baith pleasant and gay,
Sae bonnie was their blooming,
Their scent the air perfuming,
But now they are withered away.

I've seen the morning,
With gold hills adorning,
And loud tempests storming,
Before parting day,
I've seen Tweed's silver streams,
Glitt'ring in the sunny beams,
Grow drumlie and dark,
As they roll'd on their way;

O fickle fortune!
Why this cruel sportin?
Oh! Why thus perplex
Us poor sons of a day?
Thy frown canna fear me,
Thy smile canno cheer me,
Since the flowers o' the forest
Are a' wede away.

Mrs. John Hunter, wife of the famous anatomical professor, published a volume of Poems in 1802. Her song, Adieu Ye Streams that Swiftly Glide, appeared in The Lark, in 1765, as a proposed setting to the old air The Flowers of the Forest, and it is the third set to that tune in volume I of Johnson's Museum.

The Battle of Flodden Field took place in 1513. It is frequently said that James IV attacked England when Henry VIII invaded France, to honour the alliance between Scotland and France. In fact, James was married to Henry's sister and a treaty of friendship existed between England and Scotland at the time.

The Battle of Flodden was a disaster for the Scots, with estimates of Scottish losses numbering as high as ten thousand. Numerous nobles were killed in the battle, including King James. The "Flowers of the Forest" in this and the following song are the men of Ettrick Forest in Selkirkshire who fell at the battle.

:-(


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:31 AM

5+ hours. Well, we've done worse...


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: IanC
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:42 AM

MairSea

There's a copy of "The Volunteer Organist" in Levy. The cover's not online, so I've started it at Page 1.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Quiz: Not ANOTHER Alphabet Quiz
From: MairSea
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:04 AM

IanC

Many, many thanks for the information. Sorry I have been unable to access Mudcat for many hours computer problems! I will get a proper look later when things are not so busy.   MANY THANKS again.


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