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Draft Dodging Songs?

Charley Noble 26 Nov 02 - 08:35 PM
Bob Bolton 26 Nov 02 - 09:26 PM
Greg F. 26 Nov 02 - 10:21 PM
Bob Bolton 26 Nov 02 - 11:49 PM
Leadfingers 27 Nov 02 - 02:59 AM
Sandra in Sydney 27 Nov 02 - 07:26 AM
Wolfgang 27 Nov 02 - 08:58 AM
Wolfgang 27 Nov 02 - 08:59 AM
Charley Noble 27 Nov 02 - 10:26 AM
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Subject: Lyr Add:Draft Doder's Farewellg
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 08:35 PM

Given the present international climate, it might be useful to post some draft-dodging songs for the next generation. Here's one that I put together during the Vietnam War Era (copy/paste into WORD/TIMES/10 to set the chords correctly):


DRAFT DODGER'S FAREWELL

(By Charlie Ipcar © 1974
Tune: after Bob Dylan's "Maggie's Farm")


Dm-------C-------Dm-------------C-----Dm
I'm leaving Monday morning, headed for the North,
-----------------C----Dm-------------------C-------Dm
'Long a road I've often traveled, while tripping back and forth;
------------C------Dm----------------C-------Dm
I'll cross the old St. Lawrence, roll on to Mon-tre-al
F------Dm-F------Dm-------------C---Dm
There I plan to settle down, give them all a call.

Chorus:

F-------------------------Dm---------------C--Dm
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more, more, more,
-----------------------------------------C-------Dm
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more;
Dm---------F---------------------Dm----------------C----Dm
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more, more, more,
------------F-----------------------C-----------Dm
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more!

Now my draft board's very busy, they work both day and night,
They need warm bodies for our mighty nation's fight,
Well, my body's cold and shivering when I think of all they do,
So I'm leaving Monday morning, gonna leave this song with you. (CHO)

I saw the recruiting sergeant, I asked him for advice,
He said, "The Peace Corps full of Commies, son, I'll find you something nice;
Right here on this dotted line your name you must sign,
Don't ask me where you're going, I just know your luck is fine!" (CHO)

"Sit right down," the doctor said, "Tell me all the news;
Do you love your mammie? Did you ever have the blues?
Tell me all about yourself, how you live your life,
Did you ever wet the bed, and why don't you have a wife." (CHO)

"Now listen, Doc, I had a dream just the other day,
I dreamed that I was a spy for the CIA,
Our President, he says to me, 'You're gonna need both fists,
For I'm sending you down to Lansing town to look for Communists!'" (CHO)

"I walked into a tavern there, stepped up to the bar,
My steel-trap mind could tell that there was trouble not too far,
Then the whole place exploded, there was Commies everywhere,
I said, 'I'm from the CIA!' They didn't seem to care." (CHO)

"Get your pad," nurse, the doctor said, "I think this boy's insane;
Evil spirits have infused the soft spots in his brain;
He's obviously insecure, I bet he sucks his thumb;
He's an unpatriotic, no-good, bearded, rotten bum.

So I'm leaving Monday morning, heading for the North,
'Long a road I've often traveled, while tripping back and forth;
I'll cross the old St. Lawrence, roll on to Montreal
There I plan to settle down, give them all a call.

Final Chorus:

Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more, more, more,
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more;
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more, more, more,
Don't want my draft board to worry 'bout me any more!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 09:26 PM

G'day Charley,

Wasn't there a fairly classic Draft Dodger's Rag (Paxton ...? Ochs ...?) around if those days. I do remember singing it, with a degree of relish back in 1971, to a young Septic ... oops - Yank (bit of local rhyming slang sneaking in there) in the British Leyland canteen.

He (son of a US Navy Base Commander, then in the Philipines) plaintively asked: "Do you mean an ... A-merican ... wrote that ... ?"!

BTW: I quite like yours, as well!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 10:21 PM

Draft Dodger Rag is Phil Ochs- & its in the DT HERE


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 26 Nov 02 - 11:49 PM

G'day Greg F,

Thanks - I wasn't able to get any response at all from a search on the DT - it just locked up short of opening ... a "phrase" search died totally and even a single letter search didn't look like opening in the next half hour ... and I was running out of lunch time!

I didn't persist, as I was sure I had the song - somewhere - in an old, tattered (and decidedly 'foxed') volume.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 02:59 AM

Does Tom Paxtons Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues count as a draft dodger song>???


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 07:26 AM

Arlo Guthrie - Alice's restaurant - must be on the list.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 08:58 AM

Well, not draft dodging, but outright desertion. There's a German song about a successful desertion from the US Army. Here are the first two verses. The guy ends living happily in France in verse 4.

P.T.
(Franz-Josef Degenhardt)

P.T. aus Arizona,
P.T. from Arizona
von dem Stamme der Apachen
from the Apache tribe
lebt ziemlich gut in K-Town, Germany.
lived quite well in K-town*, Germany
War G.I. und bei der Army,
was GI and in the army
na, und Sehnsucht nach den Staaten
well, and homesick for the states
hatte P.T. der Apache eigentlich nie.
P.T. was nearly never.
Nur im Herbst, wenn Vögel schrien,
Only in the fall when the birds called
über K-Town südwärts zogen
and flew to the South over K-town*
sagte P.T. manchmal leise zu sich 'uff'
P.T. said uff to himself
und dann trank er einen Bourbon,
then he had a Bourbon
setzte sich in seinen Chrysler
sat in his Chrysler
und führ rüber nach Karlsruhe in den Puff.
and drove over to Karlsruhe to the whorehouse.

P.T., P.T.
das hat dem P.T. gut getan,
yes, that did P.T. good
das hat dem P.T. gut getan.

Doch im Jahre 66
But in the year of 66
als die Vögel wieder schrien
when the birds called again
sollte P.T. mit den ander'n nach Vietnam.
P.T. was called upon to go with the others to Vietnam
P.T. sagte dreimal 'uff',
P.T. said three times uff
trank sehr viel Bourbon und war voll
drank a lot of Bourbon and was filled up
als er um Mitternacht in Karlsruhe ankam.
when he arrived in Karlsruhe at midnight
Und es war die rote Rita,
And it was Red Rita
sie versteckte ihn im Wandschrank,
who hid him in her wardrobe
denn der CIA der zögert sicher nicht,
for the CIA doesn't hesitate
doch die suchten nicht sehr lange,
but they didn't search for long
denn die Mädchen sprangen ihnen
for the girls jumped them
gleich mit ihren nackten Ärschen in's Gesicht.
soon with their naked arses in the faces.

P.T....

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 08:59 AM

I forget to explain K-town*.
That's Kaiserslautern, for you can't expect a G.I. to memorise a four syllable German town-name.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:26 AM

Wolkgang-

Nice ones! My big brother spent some time in Kaiserslautern in the mid 1960's, in the MP, which for him meant Motion Pictures although he almost ended up in the Military Police by mistake.

Certainly the songs by Phil Oaks and Arlo Guthrie are the best known draft dodging songs in the folk song community. Also Jim Kweskin's recruiting song, "Fixing to Die Rag," might also be included.

I bet there are even some songs that go back to the Civil War, not to mention "I Don't Want My Boy to be a Soldier" in the first World War.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 01:32 PM

Draft Dodger Rag was by Phil Ochs - best cover was by Chad Mitchell Trio.

G                                    G#/A
I'm just a typical American boy from a typical American town
    D7                                                   G
I believe in God and Senator Dodd and keeping old Castro down
                                    G#   A
And when it came my time to serve I knew better dead than red
    D7                                                      G
But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said:

                G
    Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
          G#/A
       And I always carry a purse
          D7
    I got eyes like a bat, my feet are flat, and my asthma's
               G
       getting worse
                                                   G# A
    O think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old
       invalid aunt
                D7
    Besides, I ain't no fool, I'm a goin' to school, and I'm
                            G
       working in a defense plant

I've got a dislocated disc and a racked up back
I'm allergic to flowers and bugs
And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits
And I'm addicted to a thousand drugs
I got the weakness woes, and I can't touch my toes
I can hardly reach my knees
And if the enemy came close to me
I'd probably start to sneeze

(chorus)

I hate Chou En Lai, and I hope he dies,
but one thing you gotta see
That someone's gotta go over there
and that someone isn't me
So I wish you well, Sarge, give 'em Hell
Yeah, Kill me a thousand or so
And if you ever get a war without blood and gore
Well I'll be the first to go

(chorus)


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: beadie
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 01:49 PM

We can't forget the classic, "Oh Lord, I'm Fixin to Die Rag" (also known for its leadin; "The F-*-*-* cheer") popularized by Country Joe McDonald and the Fish at Woodstock:

    ". . . . And its one, two, three, what're we fighting for,

      Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, next stop is Vietnam.

      And its five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates,

      Ain't no use to wondering why, whoopee, we're all going to die."


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Gareth
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 02:51 PM

I don't want to join the army

"I don't want to join the army, I don't want to go to war
I'd rather hang around Piccadilly Underground
Living off the earnings of a high-class lady
I don't want a bayonet up my **se hole
I don't want my b*ll*cks shot away
No, I'd rather stay in England
In merry, merry England,
And fornicate my f**king life away.

Monday I touched her on the ankle
Tuesday I touched her on the knee
On Wednesday, success, I lifted up her dress
On Thursday I saw it, Cor Blimey!
Friday I laid my hand upon it
Saturday she gave my balls a twitch
On Sunday after supper, I rammed the f**ker up 'er
And now I'm paying thirty bob a week .... Cor Blimey!

Call on the army and the navy, call on the rank and file
Call on the territorial army, they face danger with a smile
You can call upon the boys of the old brigade
To set old England free
You can call upon my brother, my sister and my mother,
but for f**ks sake don't call me."

Hmmm! Squadies version of that old WW1 music hall song, but I think it fits.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 03:12 PM

"Valiant Conscript"
"Willing conscript" (T Paxton)
"Ballad of F.D.R"

all in the DT


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 04:06 PM

"The Regular Army, Oh"
"Just Behind the Battle Mother"
"Grafted Into the Army" (Root)
"Is There Anybody here?" (Ochs)
"I Ain't Marching Anymore" (Ochs)


all in the DT


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 04:19 PM

Any more from the "Group W Bench"?

Remember, the original focus was DRAFT DODGING, which reminds me, aren't we all dodgin', dodgin', dodgin', dodgin!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: beadie
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 04:27 PM

Talk to me about dodging.

After flunking out of my chosen institution of higher learning (for spending entirely too much time getting high) in 1965, I joined the Air Force so the Army wouldn't have a chance to draft me. The flyguys sent me to Montana(!) for three years and then, wonder of wonders, to Canada (Goose Bay, Labrador) . . . and I didn't even have to take advantage of Pres. Carter's amnesty.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: HuwG
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 08:37 AM

Gareth, a shortened (or perhaps Bowdlerised) version of the song you posted is in the Digitrad at I don't want to join the army.

WW1 ? It is in several books of WW2 songs and ditties, but that doesn't necessarity mean that it was not from the previous round, and came out of retirement.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Gareth
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 02:02 PM

Huw - yes WW1 - you'l find a version in the libretto of "Oh Oh Oh ! Wot a Luverly War".

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 04:42 PM

This is a song I wrote after being imprisoned in Barlinnie Gaol, Glasgow, in 1957 after registering as a concientous objector. I didn't agree with the British involvement in Egypt at the time or much else, come to think about it.

TALKIN' CONCHIE BLUES.

To stay out of trouble and keep your nose clean,
You must go to church, sing 'God Save The Queen'
Short back and sides, you know what I mean,
Be British! (or American)

I'll tell you what happened to a pal of mine,
Who didn't believe in war or crime,
But he found out if you want to GET some time,
Ask a policeman!

He wouldn't fight and he wouldn't run,
Didn't want to hold no army gun,
So they put him in jail, called him a cowardly bum!
Unpatriotic!

The warden took him to his place,
Where a wooden board filled a corner space,
But no white sheets nor fancy lace,
He was a CONVICT!

A guy in the same cell was kicking up a fuss,
He said he was only waiting for a bus,
When the cops came along and done him for 'sus'
'Suspicion' they call it; 12 months pokey!

He cursed and he swore and he kicked up a row,
'Cause he didn't have no screwin tools on him anyhow,
But the cops put a jemmy in his pocket and said,
'You got one now!' NO chance.

Well my conchy pal did his time without hate,
He reckoned all he had to do was wait ---- and wait,
And then he got out -- but they turned him at the gate!
Another charge, remission gone!

Well they tried to break him, they told him he was sick,
They tried to break him with many a kick,
But he just laughed, he ain't that thick!
And now he's out,
Clear conscience,
Freedom Fifgter,

Jim McLean


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 05:00 PM

Thanks, Jim.

Seem to recall one from Si Kahn about a grandfather of his crossing the border into Finland to escape being drafted into the Czar's army.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: raredance
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:15 PM

'Crossing The Border" by Si Kahn is on the 1982 LP "Doing My Job" (Flying Fish 221) and on the CD "In My Heart, A Retrospective" (1994, Philo PH 1169).

The lyrics are on inserts to both, I'll type in later unless someone with a scanner puts them in first.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: raredance
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:17 PM

I checked and the words are in the database, so nobody gotta do nothin'

rich r


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: raredance
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:41 PM

Here's one from the opposite viewpoint of most of those above. It has been suggested that it was written in a German prison during WWII.

DEAR DRAFT DODGER
(tune: Utah Carl)

I'm writing this short letter,
And every word is true,
Don't look away, draft dodger,
For it's addressed to you.

You feel at ease and in no danger,
Back in your home town,
You've cokked up some pitiful story
So the draft board would let you down.

You never think of real men,
Who leave home every day,
You think only of their girlfriends
You can take when they're away

You sit at home and read your paper,
you jump and yell, "We'll win!"
Just where do you get that "we" stuff?
This war will be one by men.

Well, that's all, Mr. Slacker,
I suppose your face is red?
America is no place for your kind,
And I mean every word.

So in closing, Dear Draft Dodger,
Just remember what I say --
Keep away from my girl, you dirty bum,
For I'm coming home someday.

(spoken): Sincerely yours, A. Kriegie


source: The Wild Blue Yonder: Songs of the Air Force - C.W. Getz (1981 Redwood Press)

rich r


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 09:19 AM

Thanks, Rich, for tracking down "Crossing the Border" in the DT and for the anti-draft-dodging song.

I seem to recall a lot of songs about unwilling conscripts and pressed sailors, which I suppose could be appropriately added to this thread.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 11:05 AM

Poem rather than song, but it would be worth setting to music if some enterprising soul wanted to take it on:

------------------------------------

i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or

his wellbeloved colonel(trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but--though an host of overjoyed
noncoms(first knocking on the head
him)do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments—
Olaf(being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds,without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your fucking flag"

straightway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)

but--though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skilfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat—
Olaf(upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"

our president,being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died

Christ(of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf, too

preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you.

               - e.e.cummings


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: leprechaun
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 10:44 PM

I think "Arthur McBride" fits this category.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: w0bbly
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 10:56 PM

Got one to add: Stung Right by Joe Hill. WWI draft-doging song by one of the IWW's greatest songwriters.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Nov 02 - 10:20 AM

And Jez Lowe's "Old Bones" with regard to advice to the young.

Never ran across the e.e. cummings' poem. Good suggestion.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Nov 02 - 12:00 PM

TYPO!


just noticed a mistake in the second line of Ochs' Draft Dodger Rag in the Mudcat; it's not Senator Todd, but Senator DODD:



THOMAS J. DODD (1907-1971)Democrat Senator from Connecticut, critic of the Kennedy Admin. for not being "tough enough" on Cuba, defender of the 1965 invasion of the Dominican Republic, staunch supporter of the Johnson and Nixon administrations' Viet Nam Policies, and censured by the Senate for diverting public funds for private use.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: raredance
Date: 30 Nov 02 - 11:31 PM

Some years ago, I reformulated the Dodger song with elements of Hoyt Axton's "Greenback Dollar", especially the tune. Here is the verse that pertains to this thread.

The general is a dodger,
Yes, and I'm a doger too.
He'll march you up and he'll march you down
And he'll put you under ground, poor boy,
He'll put you underground.

And I don't give a damn about Selective Service
Dodge the draft if I can.
Just a wailing song and a 4-F card
Are the only things I understand.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 03:44 PM

Some verses I once penned to Charlie Poole's You Ain't Talkin' to Me.


I saw a sign in a window
While walking up town one day
"Join the Army, see the world."
Is what it had to say.
"You'll see exciting places
With a jolly crew
You'll meet interesting people
And learn to kill them, too."

CHORUS:
Oh you ain't talkin' to me.
You ain't talking to me.
I may be crazy and all like that
But I got good sense, you see.
You ain't talkin' to me.
You ain't talking to me.
Killin' with a gun
Don't sound like fun,
You ain't talkin to me.

I heard that a general
Had died and gone to rest.
He met St. Peter at the Pearly Gates
And asked if he'd stood the test.
"I prayed for the troops
That they'd not go astray."
St. Peter looked at him both long and hard
And here's what he had to say:

CHORUS:
"Oh you ain't talkin' to me.
You ain't talking to me.
I may be crazy and all like that
But I got good sense, you see.
You ain't talkin' to me.
You ain't talking to me.
I'll tell you again,
War's a sin.
You ain't talkin' to me."
Jim


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 08:20 PM

Thanks, Jim! Nice to get a fresh song.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: GUEST,boromir
Date: 02 Dec 02 - 08:36 AM

Best ever?

Sit Down Young Stranger by Gordon Lightfoot


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:17 AM

The verse that Jim Krause posted here back in December 2002 got included in Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize speech, but attributed to Charlie Poole.


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Subject: RE: Draft Dodging Songs?
From: oldhippie
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 07:58 PM

"A Very Nice Country" - Oscar Brand. Lyrics in this thread: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=69798
thread.cfm?threadid=69798


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