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Lyr Req: A Rose with a Broken Stem (Fleming/Evans)

RangerSteve 03 Dec 02 - 09:05 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: RangerSteve
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 09:05 PM

First part of the chorus:
She's only a rose with a broken stem,
All whithered and cast aside.
For the garden of love has no place for them when
Their fragrance has whithered and died.

It's not on the DT.
I have copy of an old recording (78), but it's not to clear.

Anyone no the rest?

Thanks, Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: RangerSteve
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 09:07 PM

No, I'm not illiterate, that should be "anyone know the rest?"
It's late, I'm tired and my eyes hurt from looking at the screen for so long.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 09:19 PM

G'day Steve,

So ... who says you are rong?

(Reference to C.J. Dennis, Australian poet of the 1920s - who has one of his characters say: "If RONG doesn't spell wrong ... what does it spell?" ...!

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 04 Dec 02 - 11:34 AM

The fragment you give seems to scan to the tune of "She's Only a Bird in a Gilded Cage".

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: RangerSteve
Date: 04 Dec 02 - 08:19 PM

It's not the same song as "Gilded Cage".
Looks like I'm going to be dissappointed here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 05:48 PM

Who sings it Steve? Maybe we can find it that way.
I will pass the lyrics on to Dad and see if he knows.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 06:09 PM

Clay Everhart and the North Carolina Cooper Boys. There are a few internet references, but no lyrics that I've come across yet.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Stewie
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 07:35 PM

Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' give the writers as Everett J. Evans and Carroll Fleming w&m 1901. I tried Levy, Duke and American Memory sites for sheet music, but with no luck. The Everhart recording has not been reissued so you will be pretty lucky if you find someone else who has it. The only other recording was by Jess Johnson in 1932, but that was unissued.

Meade et alia give a reference to 'Robbins p 11', but I cannot find any 'Robbins' in the bibliographical lists at the back of the book. The only other printed reference given is that 'The Rose With a Broken Stem' is #96, pp 251-2 in Mildred Haun 'Cooke County Ballads and Songs' MA Thesis Vanderbilt University Nashville, Tenn, 1937.

Good luck with your search.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 05:49 PM

Dad doesn't know it. Sorry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: RangerSteve
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 06:01 PM

The Clay Everhart recording is the one I have, reissued on a COlumbia LP years ago, but like a lot of 78's the lyrics aren't always easy to make out. Thanks anyway for everyones help.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Dec 02 - 10:22 PM

The June [2000?] issue of 78 Quarterly -- a magazine for record collectors -- has an article called "She's Only a Rose with a Broken Stem" (Clay Everhart and the North Carolina Cooper Boys) by Bob Carlin--Detailed biographies and discographies, early photos of a group long admired by a "small cadre of collectors and scholars."

Clay Everhart and the North Carolina Cooper Boys recorded "The Rose with a Broken Stem" (Columbia 15737), in 1930, or maybe 1932, according to different sources.

The New Hampshire Library of Traditional Music & Dance has the sheet music.

It's also in a book called "American Treasury of 1004 Folk Songs, Vol. 1," by Isabel Hood, Charles Hansen, Inc., New York, NY, USA, 1977. The San Joaquin Valley Information Service has a copy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 06:10 AM

Do you still need lyrics for this song.
I have lyrics and music


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:31 AM

Hi, Jim -
Yes, please post the lyrics if you have them. several of us are interested in the song.
If you have music, you can e-mail it to me and I'll do my best to remember to get it posted when our song upload function gets fixed.
-Joe Offer-
joe-offer@msn.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 12:18 AM

I found this posted at another forum:

She's just like a rose with a broken stem,
That is plucked and then cast aside;
The garden of love has no place for them,
When their fragrance and perfume have died.
For you can't take the stain from a woman's name,
Nor a flaw from the purest gem,
She chooses her path and must bear the blame -
She's a rose with a broken stem.

~Carroll Fleming, A Rose with a Broken Stem (1901)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: She's only a rose with a broken stem
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 12:52 AM

Music by Everett Evans, Lyrics Carroll Fleming.
May be found in
"Sing Along Songs of the Gay 90's" World's Favorite No. 15. Piano-vocal-chords book with 42 selections.
sheetmusic
Select 'other searches', and- Sing along songs

Also in "Treasure Chest of Old Time Song Hits"


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: A Rose with a Broken Stem
From: maeve
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 10:01 PM

"A Rose With a Broken Stem"   Words by Carroll Fleming, Music by Everett J. Evans

At a gay masquerade in a ballroom grand,
Two beautiful maids were there,
And one bore a rose in her jeweled hand, the other a lily fair,
"The Rose shall be queen" then the dancers said,
The Lily turned away,
But the beautiful Rose sadly bowed her head,
As she heard an old gypsy say:

Refrain: She's just a rose with a broken stem,
             That is plucked and then cast aside,
             The garden of love has no place for them,
             When their fragrance and perfume have died,
             For you can't take the stain from a woman's name,
             Nor a flaw from the purest gem,
             She chooses her path and must bear the blame,
             She's a rose with a broken stem.

When the mask fell away from the gypsy's brow,
They knew what the Rose had done,
For she had been false to the sacred vow,
She gave to the gypsy's son,
Her heart she had sold for a miser's gold,
A miser old and gray,
And the bells that had rung for her wedding tolled,
For the lad that had passed away.

Transcribed from digitalized sheet music found here:
"A Rose With a Broken Stem" sheet music.

An excerpt from a review:
"...One of the best examples from such a group, 1931's "The Rose With a Broken Stem," by Clay Everhart & the North Carolina Cooper Boys, is fascinating because the Piedmont string sound is pure Tarheel, but the tune itself seems to be a product of Tin Pan Alley. The theme of lost innocence and faded glory seem well suited to a group struggling to maintain a regional culture even as a new world began to intrude from over the Blue Ridge Mountains."
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/36239


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