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Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)

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ROSE, ROSE, ROSE (round)


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ander@nwonline.com 24 Aug 99 - 10:09 PM
alison 25 Aug 99 - 02:19 AM
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Nigel Parsons 18 Dec 02 - 10:55 AM
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KateG 18 Dec 02 - 11:06 AM
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Subject: Help: rose rose rose rose....
From: ander@nwonline.com
Date: 24 Aug 99 - 10:09 PM

I have this round in my head that I learned on vacation in Pennsylvania last week. The people who taught it to me said there are lots of verses, but only taught me two. Unfortunately there is only one verse in the database here. If you know more, please mail them to me.
The two I know:
    Rose Rose Rose Rose
    Will I ever see thee wed
    I will marry at thy will sire
    At thy will

    Ding dong sing dong
    Wedding bells on the chapel chime
    Carve your name on a moss-covered stone
    On a moss-covered stone
Thank you.
ander@nwonline.com


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Subject: RE: Help: rose rose rose rose....
From: alison
Date: 25 Aug 99 - 02:19 AM

I'm sure it's in the database and we did have a thread on it in the past. I'll see if I can find it, if no one beats me to it.

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Help: rose rose rose rose....
From: alison
Date: 25 Aug 99 - 02:24 AM

Here you go,

Rose, rose, thread

Tune and words in the database

slainte

alison


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Subject: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,val_org@hotmail.com
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:16 PM

I was able to find the Lyrics for the Rose Round easily enough, but no information on its origin. I'm trying to learn more about the "Rose" round, and also the other little songs often sung with it as a round:

Ah Poor Bird
Hey Ho Nobody Home
Peace Round
Rolling of the Stones
etc.

Thanks!

C.L.W.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: MMario
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:27 PM

hope you find something. I don't think I have ever seen much on these besides the lyrics themselves.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:35 PM

"Hey Ho, Nobody Home," has the same tune(speeded up) as "Rose, Rose."
"The Peace Round" lyrics were written by Jean Ritchie. Melody is an adaptation of the "Rose, Rose" tune.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: MMario
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:42 PM

can't ask for much more believable information then that!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 10:55 AM

"Rose (round)" reminds me of one sung at a scout campfire in Holland, circa 1970 which was, I believe, German.

"Rosen fra Feun" (X3)
which was sung as a round.

Hopefully someone will correct the spelling. (Wilfeid?)

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 11:01 AM

Sorry: another spelling error, "Wilfried" !
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: KateG
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 11:06 AM

The "Rose" round and "Hey, Ho, Nobody Home" sound great sung together. But I know nothing about the origins of either one -- learned 'em both as a Girl Scout decades ago.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Pied Piper
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 11:38 AM

I have some words set to this lovely round that I got from some Thesps who used it in workshops as a warm up exercise.

Rose Rose Rose Rose
Shall I ever see thee red?
I brother that thou shalt
When I am dead

This rhymes and scans better than the above but I can't vouch for its origin.
I was told that it referred to the Wars of the roses but the language and the tune have a more Elizabethan flavour to my mind.

All the best PP


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,val_org@hotmail.com
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:16 AM

While I'm still no closer to knowing anything definite about the history and origins of the round Rose, I have turned up many verses to the tune, as well as several related parts sung to differing tunes.

While I see no evidence that they were actually sung to the "Rose" tune, the Bedlam Bards have recorded two Middle English verses (shown below) which fit the tune both metrically and in terms of subject matter.

So, I'll keep looking for more on the history and origins...

"Rose, Rose" tune
=================
1. Rose Variant A (learned as a Girl Scout)
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at they will, sire,
At thy will.

2. Rose Variant B (two related verses)
Rose, Rose, Rose Red,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sire.
At thy will.

Rose, Rose, Rose White,
Will you be my love tonight?
I'll lay with thee at thy will, sire.
At thy will.

3. Rose Variant C
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Wilt thou ever marry me?
Ah yes sir, that I may -
If thou will but stay.

3. All Night by the Rose in Middle English (with translation)
(after 1300) (MS Rawlinson D. 913)

Al nyght by the rose, rose,
Al nyght by the rose I lay.
Durste I noght the rose stele;
And yet I bar the flour awey.

All night by the rose, rose,
All night by the rose I lay.
Dared I not the rose to steal
And yet I bore the flower away.

4. I am Rose in Middle English (with translation)
(Camb. Univ. MS. Hh.6.11)

I am Rose, wo is me,
Sutere şat i suete şe;
I wacs şat weylawey,
cherles hand me şristet ay.

I am Rose, woe is me.
Sweeter than the sweet I be.
I wax in grief and misery:
A churlish hand has pluck-ed me.

5. "Bells" verses
Ding dong, ding dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
Carve my name on a moss covered stone,
On a moss covered stone.

Ding dong, ding dong
Funeral bells on a September morn,
Rose, oh Rose, is dead and gone sire,
Dead and gone.

6. Peace Round by Jeane Ritchie
Oh, what a goodly thing
If the children of the earth
Could dwell together
In peace.

7. I won't be my mother's Jack,
And I won't be my father's Jill.
I will be a fiddler's wife
And fiddle, as I will.

8. The Gospel is Love (another verse learned as a Girl Scout)
Love, love, love, love,
The gospel in this world is love.
Love thy neighbor as they brother,
Love, love, love.

Other tunes
===========
1. Hey ho
Hey, ho, nobody's home
Meat nor drink nor money have I none
Still I will be very, very merry
Hey, ho, nobody's home.

2. Ah Poor Bird
Ah poor bird
Take thy flight
High above the sorrows
Of this sad night

3. Hawthorne Tree (Middle English with translation, to "Ah Poor Bird" tune)
Evere kynd af tre,
Swa evere kynd af tre,
The hawşorn groweş sworte
Swa evere kynd af tre.

Me leman she schal be,
Me leman she schal be,
Şe faerest af evere kynd,
Me leman she schal be.

Every kind of tree,
Of every kind of tree,
The hawthorne is the sweetest
Of every kind of tree.

My lady she shall be,
My lady she shall be,
The fairest of every kin,
My lady she shall be.

4. Thirty Days hath November (Middle English)

Thirti dayes hath nouembir,
April, iune, and septembir;
Of tuenti-eighte hath but oon,
And all the remenaunt thirti and oon.

Thirty days has November,
April, June and September;
Of twenty-eight there is but one,
And all the remnant have thirty-one.


In addition to all of these, we've found that Rolling of the Stones can be sung with the various verses above as well.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 08:46 PM

Capriole (also known as Steel Bunny) do great versions of Rose, Rose, and one of the others.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Mark
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 06:27 AM

For my acting society it has been a tradition for many years, I am told, to sing this song before any performance as a sort of meditation/enthusiasm-building exercise. Here are the lyrics we use:

Rose, rose, rose, red
Shall I ever see thee wed?
I marry that thou shalt
When thou art dead.

I've spent ages pondering the possible meanings of this set of lyrics but there are quite a few possible ones (especially if you exchange the word "I" for "Aye") It seems that this more rhyming version is, then, more common in acting groups as mentioned by "Pied Piper" above.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Iyoki
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:06 AM

I was told many years ago when I went to Camp Namanu back in the 1960's that this was about a woman of the house of York (of the White rose), who loved a man of the house of Lancaster (of the red Rose). After learning about the War of the Roses, and then the Henry VII (of the Tudor's - that is the house of Lancaster) he marrying (name has slipped my mind), who was of the house of York the Rose was made into the Tudor Rose. The natural minor fits the period, but I am still looking for more information. Has anyone looked into its English history in the United Kingdom?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 08:42 PM

Iyoki, if you go through all of the threads linked above, many versions and much speculation will be found, including your suggestion.
The truth is that no one has found the four-liner in print in any form before the 20th century- UK or wherever.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Emily
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 06:42 PM

Hello my name is Emily and i am 10 and in 5th grade.In my chourus we sung Ah Poor Bird for a warm up song and it go's like this:
Ah Poor Bird
Take Thy Flight
High Above The Sorrows Of This Sad Night
Hey Ho Anyone home
Me No Drink No Money Have Not
Yet Will I Be Merry
Hey Ho Anyone Home
Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 07:51 PM

Hey, haven't heard that one before.
And a happy Christmas and a merry New Year to you!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: oldhippie
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 11:25 PM

We sing this 'Rose' round:

I know this rose will open
I know my fear will burn away
I know my soul will unfurl its wings
I know this rose will open

Words & music: Mary E. Grigolia


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:34 PM

I remember we learned the "Rose Rose" words from Jean Ritchie, God bless her, and the "Hey, ho, nobody home" words from someone else--Pete S. maybe? Back in the late 1940s/early '50s. Since I was born in 1943 I wasn't up to asking where they got the songs from. I just loved the sound of their voices and singing what they taught. Tw


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Liza Mae
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 11:24 AM

I didn't see this verse up there, but I learned it with a few of the other versions at camp once:

Mother, Father, dig my grave
Dig it with a golden spade
Tell my friends I died for love
I die for love


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 07:49 PM

In high school a good friend taught me this version, she was in a large Irish family (12 kids) and they all sang very well, she learned it from her father, who learned it from his father.... you get the picture.....

Rose Rose Rose Red
Shall I ever see thee wed
I will marry at thy will sire
At thy will sire

Ding Ding Ding Dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
Carve thy name on a rose colored stone dear
Rose colored stone dear

Hey Ho Nobody home
Meat nor drink nor money have I none
Still I will be married
Hey ho nobody home

A poor bird
Take thy flight
High Above the sorrow
Of this dark night


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 08 - 08:57 PM

At girl scouts I learned a story that told what the song was about, it might help you w/ the origins. It's kinda long though....

Rose awas a girl whose mother had died when she was very young. Rose lived w/ her father. She had a brave and handsome cousin who was her age. They fell deeply in love and were secretly engaged. However, before they married, both her cousin and her father went off to fight in the Crusades (it could easily have been a different war, though) and Rose went to live with a greedy uncle. During the course of the war, Rose's father was killed and her cousin was mortally wounded, making Rose's uncle her gaurdian. When she learned of the death of her fiancee, Rose's heart was completely broken. Her uncle decided to marry Rose to an old rich man so that he would have access to the money. Rose tried to refuse to obey her uncle but finally she agreed. After she was married, Rose continued to pine for her lost love and father. She was ill-treated by her husband and eventually died from a broken heart.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,ridl
Date: 05 Apr 08 - 06:35 PM

I've heard that the tune is one of the oldest known. I learned it starting with the "rose" verse, then "wedding bells" then "hey ho", then

mother father dig my grave
dig my grave with a golden spade
then release a mourning dove
to say I died for love

then "oh sweet bird"

which I think give then song a nice narrative, regardless of the accuracy.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Adelaide
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 01:51 PM

I have never seen anyone actually establish any of the "rose" rounds with much authority or antiquity (I learned them in Girl Scouts, too). The melody and lyrics for "Hey ho, nobody at home" appears in Ravenscroft's Pammelia (1609), no. 85, but the last bit is not the modern familiar one:

Hey ho,
Nobody at home
Meate nor drinke nor
Money haue I none,
Fill the pot Eadie

It's marked for 5 voices; the melody sung nowadays makes six parts.

How and at what point somebody decided to turn a snappy drinking song into a dirge I haven't found. There is a catch in Apollonian Harmony (ca. 1790) called "Ding dong boam bell" all about funeral bells that has some melodic similarity.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,fisher
Date: 24 May 08 - 03:40 PM

i know a really different version from camp

Rose rose rose rose
Will I ever see thy wed
I will marry thy at will sire
rose (x4)

church bells ring on an April's morn
carve your name on a moss covered stone
treat thy neighbor as thy brother
Ding dong(x4)

america, america shall i tell you how i feel?
you have given us our riches and we love you so
rose (x4) Dib=ng dong (x4)America (x4) Rose (x4) rose (just once)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,skruffyjew
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:52 PM

First of all i have been looking for tha lyrics for almost 20 yrs., but second of all i remeber it being

rose rose will i ever see thy rose
will i ever see thy wed
rose rose rose
rose rose rose


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Subject: RE: Origins: Red Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Paddy
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:46 AM

We sing Red Rose as a round, it is (supposedly) about the war of the roses, possibly about two lovers, but may also be talking of peace between the house of York and Lancaster. (not Lancashire)
The two roses were mereged to create the Tudor rose.

Red rose white roses
shall I ever see thee wed,
aye marry that I will
if thou but stay.


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Subject: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 09:49 PM

Hi,

does anyone know the right words to this beautiful round(if there is a right - prob not ) . Would like to settle on a version. Interested in opinions !

I have (from various sources) :

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed
I marry that thou will (mudcat -wilt)
When thou art dead/wed. (mudcat -if thou but stay)

There's some confusion in the last line

Mudcat says :

Rose, rose, rose, rose
Shall I ever see thee wed*
Aye, marry, that thou wilt
If thou but stay.

* or "red"


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Subject: RE: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 09:57 PM

Hi Jiggers,
The last line I learned was different from either of those!

Somebody will surely come along with a good, strong opinion for you. Did you browse the old threads and see the variations?


M


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Subject: RE: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:02 PM

I have to admit I did not (yikes am I in trouble ? ) - will have a look
:-)


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Subject: RE: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:04 PM

aha - that's because there are no threads ! (saved)

Jiggers


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Subject: RE: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:06 PM

ha..you're not in very bad trouble!

use the search box thingy and put in
rose, rose

that ought to bring a bunch up for you..


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Subject: RE: Rose Rose Rose Rose round
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:08 PM

or, you could copy/paste this:

http://www.mudcat.org/@NewSSResults.cfm

have fun!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:19 PM

Good try, Melissa, but it's not quite that easy to post a link to a search. Too bad there's not an easy way. I moved the request from Jiggers over to an existing thread. As you can see, there are a lot of variations - and many of them just don't quite work.
This is the tesxt from Sol Weber's Rounds Galore (p. 117):


    ROSE, ROSE

    Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose.
    Shall I ever see thee wed?
    I shall marry at thy will, sire,
    If thou but stay.



Can't say it's my favorite version, but Sol is the authority on rounds.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:26 PM

Joe,
Are you saying the thing I posted wouldn't have opened to the search/list page if it was copied into the bar?

Sorry, Jiggers..I was trying to be helpful.
I imagine you've found plenty of reading with this thread and whatever you've found by searching!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:47 PM

Thanks,

perfect, sorry I couldn't find the thread. Its a debater and there is no answer. Just wanted to get the other variations.

I have to say that Mudcat has always come up with the goods for me. I rely on it. I have never been let down. Some requests have taken years to answer but they do get answered amazingly. Whoever(s) are at the bottom of this deserve a big snog/hug/pay-rise/2nd life ! I certainly recognise Joe's name from a way back and there was a Wolfgang that always helped too. I love you all. This is a most amazing service.

Jiggers


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 11:13 PM

Thanks for the kind words, Jiggers. This is what we love to do, but it's nice to hear words of appreciation nonetheless.

Melissa, posting a link to a search is a tricky business. To do this search for Child Ballads:
(click here to search).
Here's the code:

    <a href="http://supersearch.mudcat.org/@NewSSResults.cfm?query=child_#">(click here to search)</a>


So, you were part right, but you didn't include the search perameters (which I put in red in the example).

But searching for Rose, Rose is a bear, any way you look at it. The punctuation varies so widely. I search for see thee wed instead.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 11:18 PM

Thanks, Joe
I don't fully understand what you're saying I did wrong..so I'll just not do it at all anymore.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 11:28 PM

Search engines are hard. I work in the s/w industry and parsing input is a pain so I know the troubles it brings.

The good thing is that I still get an answer whatever which is what is soooo good.

In my list of things which are good in life I put Mudcat as #1

I'm sure I'll request many more lyrics unless I start writing my own - in which case I'll joyfully post them.

Thanks again - and Mudcat transcends words of gratitude so I will abstain from using mere language and instead I will just sit here in joyful mode.

Thanks again,

Jiggers


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Melissa
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 11:30 PM

I agree, Jiggers..it's an amazing place.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 11:45 PM

I looked in four rounds books, and the only one that had "Rose, Rose" was Sol Weber's Rounds Galore. The version that's in the Digital Tradition is also in the Rise Up Singing songbook, which has a very nice Rounds section:
    Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
    Shall I ever see thee wed
    Aye, marry, that thou wilt
    If thou but stay.^^^
It's a terribly common round, and that may be why the songbooks don't include it. Besides, I think the second pair of lines is problematic - they're neither interesting nor memorable, and nobody really knows what's right. Now, a think a far more classic round is "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" - everybody remembers that one.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 19 Jul 09 - 12:20 AM

Noooooo - its not dis-interesting if you know a beautiful girl called Rose and as it happens, roses are lovely.

Its not a common round here and isn't it great that its not set in stone. I love the ending options, can change it every time for fun.

Jiggers


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,SJ
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 08:21 PM

Thanks for all the info on this round. My mom used it as a lullaby, and this evening, I thought to sing it to my child. Her name happens to be Rose.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,GUEST, Jamie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:54 AM

Not that it is very old history, but at Peaceful Valley Scout Ranch, in Colorado, a boy scouts facility, the staff sing a round of "Rose/ Love/ America" to close campfires:

Rose rose rose rose
Shall I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sir
At thy will

Love love love love
Love is the gospel of the world
Love thy neighbor as thy brother
Love love love

America America
How can I tell you how I feel
You have given me many treasures
I love you so

Each verse is sung through in that order, and then the group breaks into 3 parts, and the last line of the last verse, "I love you so" is sung by all in the 3rd time through the round. I introduced a 'Peace' verse a few years ago, from a girl scouts' songbook, but it hasn't caught on.

Peace Peace Peace Peace
Wars will come and wars will cease
We must learn to live with each other
Peace peace peace

I've no idea where this verse came from, though it obviously stems from the one mentioned above.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST,Grete.
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 05:51 PM

At Kentwell Hall in Suffolk we often sang 'Rose, Rose' as a round, believing it to be Tudor.

"Ah Sweet Bird" was supposed to have been written for Anne Boleyn on the eve of her execution.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 02:51 PM

When I was a child we sang a Baha'i variant:

World, world, world, world
Why do you reject your Lord?
When will you receive your savior
Bahaullah?

As an adult I heard:
Rose x4
When shall I see thee wed?
I shall we'd at thy bid, sire
At thy bid.

And then there was a verse about the wind which I no longer
Remember but would love to rediscover!


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