BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?

Subject: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 08:25 PM

That is our Christmas Eve theme! We are having an open house with buffet on Christmas Eve for family & friends, so we came up with this for the food theme (we are, of course, riffing on the recent What Would Jesus Drive? campaign).

Although our theme isn't strict or exclusive, we are going to be having a Middle Eastern/Mediterranean menu as the basis for the buffet table, including soup, salads, dips, that sort of stuff. Then it is lasagne for Christmas Day.

So, what is everyone else planning for holiday feasting?

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 08:40 PM

Who are you? I like to trade discussions like this with 'someone'...

(yeah, I am in a bad mood about it today)

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:11 PM

Actually, although I'm married to an organic vegetarian, I believe that Jesus isn't big on moral absolutes, especially when it comes to His choice of diet. He likes good food, and doesn't buy all those rules that people make up.
He and I are getting together for a combo pizza and a pitcher of beer. Anybody wanna join us?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:16 PM

Was Jesus' last meal a vegetarian meal, or did it include lamb?

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:24 PM

Or was it the origin of hot cross buns?

A

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:25 PM

For Christmas, Jesus would drink milk. (Holy milk.)

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST,CRANKYYANKEE
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:45 PM

Hey, come on Joe, don't make light of this, Jesus was an orthodox Jew, a Rabbi, and as such would be eating strictly Kosher food.

VERY IMPORTANT: Do not put both meat and dairy products on the table at the same time. If you are serious about this, separate meat and dairy dishes by a couple of hours at least.

Don't serve any hog products, Lobsters, crabbs etc
Rump cuts of beef are reserved for the Rabbi.

Vegetables, bread and cakes (that do not contain milk) grains, tea, coffee (without milk or cream if served with meat) soft drinks, wine, other alcoholic beverages can be served at anytime.

During Jesus' time, these rules were health precautions. Today, among Orthox Jews, because God has not seen fit to change these rules, they are a matter of faith.

Menu?, Chicken soup, fish, meat and vegetable dishes ( Kosher Frankfurters would be fine. Sugggest Nathan's or Hebrew National cold cuts, etc.) Wine, Tea, coca cola, cream soda beer.) O.K.

If you are sincere, this is very serious stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 10:04 PM

Oops! Forgot to mention, our WWJE menu IS vegetarian. Think artichokes, olives, tahini, eggplant, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 10:46 PM

I've heard Jesus was into self-multiplying fish, large vats of wine, bread loaves big enough for sharing and every Word which issued from the Mouth of His Father.

That was before he became the Living Bread for all!

He still liked fresh fish cooked over an open fire on the beach for breakfast, though.

That's just what I've heard ...

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 11:06 PM

I'm very much into vats of wine--we'll have both regular pours & some hot mulled wine too. We'll also have some fish (like smoked salmon spread and shrimp). We figure we are doing quite well on the authenticity scale, and we aren't even trying that hard really. Some aspects of diet, I suppose, haven't really changed much over the millenia. Fish is fish (and still very popular as a traditional Christmas Eve dish on our east European Catholic side of the family), bread is bread, wine is wine, and we have 'em all at Christmas!

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 11:58 PM

Yum yum .... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 12:04 AM

Orthodox Kashrut (Kosher) is more complicated than that, Jody. 4 sets of dishes--2 for regular, 2 for Passover; at least 12 hrs betweeen meat and dairy.

Meat must have cloven hoof and chew cud.

Water creatures must have scales.

See Levitcus.......

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: open mike
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 01:43 AM

i did middle eastern food for thanksgiving in honor of peace in the world.
'T^abouli, pita bread, hummus, dolma (filled grape leaves),
tahini, tziki (yogurt, cucumber, dill dip) and lots of olive oil~~

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: open mike
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 04:34 AM

and for desert halvah and baklava

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 09:02 AM

So..."Whatever I have made clean, do not thou call unclean." --Acts.

He'd eat anything He damned well pleased.

Subject: RE: BS: WWJE/What Would Jesus Eat?
From: GUEST,crankyyankee
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 09:06 AM

Sorcha: Nice talking tos you again. I did write considerably more about Kosher rules but I must have accidentally hit the wrong key and lost most of it before I could submit it and had to start over again. I did mention two sets of dishes but I forgot about the special
Pesach tableware. I'm not actually Jewish except by cultural heritage. My mother was Josephine Puzelli, a devout catholic. But, I was extremely lucky in that I had three sets of Grandparents. that's three "Old World" Grandmothers who were culinary artists. I had one Italian ( Calabrese) Grandmother, one Polish (reformed Jewish) and one Russian (very orthodox and very strict). My Sister and I had two moms, my actual moteher who died of pneumonia when I was three years old and my stepmother who is the only one I think of when the word "Mom" comes up in conversation. Mom raised me and is still perking right along working with kids and enjoying the desert sun in Arizona. She is a great cook, not kosher, but can not compare with her Mother,one of the "greatest of the great". My kid brother is underpriveleged as he never got to spend alternate Sundays at Grandma Puzelli's house. On the "Jewish Grandma's" Sundays, my sister and I had to spend the morning at Grandma Katzberg's house, My dad's family. I said th8at she was a culiniary artist, but I only assume that from what others told me. She was a strict Koshernarian whos specialties included the livers of poor dead creatures. When these poor creatures died, their livers were turned over to Grandma Katzberg who did unspeakable things to them after which, poor defenceless children were forced to eat them. And then there was (ugh) B O R S C H. Borsch is what happens to little Russian beets who have not lead a good clean life.
But then, at 12:00 noon , the two older defeniceless children and their underpriveleged and equally defenceless younger sibling were released from custody, and, drooling in wild anticipation sprinted up Brighton 5th street to Apartment 5K at 3091 Brighton 5th St. Where they were smothered up in the loving arms of Grandma Alexander, Mom's Mamma. Grandma Alexander was from Bialistok, Poland, the birthplace of the bagel. She cooked mostly American stuff excespt during Pasover and Yom Kippur. She was wonderful with fried chicken and french fries. And then there was grilled steak which was then smothered in fried onions and served with baked potatoes (with butter, not cream cheese) and fried corn. She fried the corn niblets in sweet butter (unsalted) very slowly until there was nothing left of the butter but a brown glaze on the corn after which it was salted and peppered./
But Christmas was spent at Aunt Jessie and Uncle Augie Nicoletti's huge house in Westhampton Long Island along with the entire Puzelli clan which included all my DeLuca, Panzecca, Fiore and, of course, Nicoletti Aunts Uncles and cousins. That's a lot of first, second and third generation Italian=Americans. That was a really big mansion, lwhere the entire family spent from December 23d to January 2d. Christmas dinner was an all day and night thing. it started at about 10:am with fresh fruit which included ripe figs from Grandpa Puzelli's fig trees. The fig trees had been winterized (wrapped in burlap) with some of the ripe figs still on the branches) Somehow my Grandpa could keepo these winterized figs fresh until the tree was unwrapped just enough to get the fruit out just before Christmas and then put back to bed. There were little bits of various kinds of Italian delicacies until two in the afternoon when the serious "sit down" eating began. The first course was always Pasta and sauce. Alathough sthe sauce had been made with different k9ionds of meat, the smeat did not go with the first course which was justs spaghetti or some other kind of pasta.
Then the meat, which8 always included braschiolle, very thin slicedf and pounded beef, rolled up with fresh garlic and parsely, tied in a roll with cotton string and cooked ini the tomato sauce with meatballs and thick slices of pork. This was served with salad. Then we leisurely sat at the table and had fruit, nuts and s little wine while the old guys played a very loud amd passionate game of Pinochle. Then , along about 4:30 or so, the main course came in, Roast Turkey and stuffing, roast beefs and roast lamb with two kinds of Irish potatoes and sweet potatopes, corn, string beans, asparagus,k apple sauce and stuffed artichokes. This was followed by cake and tea, more fruit and nuts and finally, about 7:pm with itsy bitsy cups of Italian black cofee with anisette.Usually conversation was a mixture of Calabrese Dialect Italian and English. Grandma Puzelli spoke very little English. The one time that my WASP, Rhode Island Yankee wife Roberta and my daughter Joyce (who was my only ofspring at the time) participated in these wonderful activities, just before I was transferred to England (in the USAF), my wonderful relatives made her feel like she'd been born into the family and had been with us all along. Grandma insisted that we only speak English because Bobbie didn't understand Italian.   Grandma struggled with English for the entire week and a half and the only Italian spoken was an occasional whispered translation for Grandma. When my Wife and Grandmother kissed goodbye, there were tears in Bobbie's eyes. On the way home she said that she had never felt that kind of warmth, love and feeling of belonging to a family with her own blood relatives. I kiond of got the feeling that this was the happiest week and a half she'd ever experienced. God,. I love my family.
Jesus never had such a great time in his whole life or ever had such a Christmas dinner.

Merry Christmas and love to all of you Mudcatters

Jody Gibson