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The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again

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A NATION ONCE AGAIN
THE MEN BEHIND THE WIRE
THE NEW MORNING DEW


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Ed. 21 Dec 02 - 02:04 AM
GUEST,fogie 21 Dec 02 - 04:20 AM
ard mhacha 21 Dec 02 - 03:19 PM
Ebbie 21 Dec 02 - 03:26 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Dec 02 - 03:35 PM
pattyClink 21 Dec 02 - 03:39 PM
wysiwyg 21 Dec 02 - 03:44 PM
Amergin 21 Dec 02 - 03:45 PM
Bill D 21 Dec 02 - 03:52 PM
Cluin 21 Dec 02 - 03:57 PM
Peter T. 21 Dec 02 - 04:06 PM
mack/misophist 21 Dec 02 - 04:37 PM
Bill D 21 Dec 02 - 06:24 PM
masato sakurai 21 Dec 02 - 07:27 PM
GUEST,Q 21 Dec 02 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,Neil Comer 21 Dec 02 - 08:04 PM
harvey andrews 21 Dec 02 - 08:23 PM
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Subject: The world's favorite song
From: Ed.
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 02:04 AM

Click here for the BBC article.

Mmmm. OK...
    An Irish republican song, A Nation Once Again, has been voted the world's top tune according to a BBC World Service poll. The song, originally recorded in 1964, was written in the 1840s by Thomas Osbourne Davis to support the fight for an end to British rule.
    The winning song was recorded by The Wolfe Tones and includes the refrain: "And Ireland, long a province, be a nation once again". The Wolfe Tones were said to be "thrilled" by the announcement. They said they were "proud" to have been ranked above bands such as The Beatles, who failed to make the top 10 despite 55 different song nominations.
    Following a late surge in votes, the Irish sing along crossed the finishing line ahead of a patriotic Hindi song, Vande Mataram. With the lyrics taken from a poem written by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, Vande Mataram is regarded by many as India's national song.
    In third place an Asian track, popular in the 1980s, entitled Dil Dil Pakistan by Vital Signs, finished ahead of pop poll classics including Cher's Believe at number eight and Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody at number ten.
    A few artists had many songs nominated and split their vote. Forty songs by Iranian artist Googoosh were chosen while Bob Marley had 29 songs nominated, with No Woman No Cry topping the list. Europe's top tune was Wind of Change by the Scorpions, a song many associate with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Also popular was this year's summer holiday hit The Ketchup Song by Spanish sisters Las Ketchup. Abba and fellow Scandinavians Ace of Base had songs nominated too.
    Since its launch in November the poll, which was part of BBC World Service's 70th anniversary celebrations, attracted the attention of listeners from all around the world. From Botswana and Antarctica to the Caicos Islands, nearly 150,000 votes were received from 153 countries, nominating over 6,500 songs. By inviting its 150 million listeners to vote either by post or online, organisers were surprised by the scale of the voting. BBC World Service 70th anniversary project editor David Stead, said: "It's been a massive logistical challenge." The poll had to deal with people trying to influence the vote through fan sites and spamming. "Our New Media teams have been stretched to the limit and it has been extraordinary watching the votes drop in second by second into our mailbox."
    He added: "This is a unique chart, for the first time we've been able to see how bands like the Beatles, which traditionally do well in these polls, measure up against other forms of world music."

    Top Ten
    1. A Nation Once Again, The Wolfe Tones
    2. Vande Mataram, Various artists
    3. Dil Dil Pakistan, Vital Signs
    4. Rakkamma Kaiya Thattu, llayaraaja
    5. Poovum Nadakkuthu Pinchum Nadakkuthu, Thirumalai Chandran
    6. Ana wa Laila, Kazem El Saher
    7. Reetu haruma timi hariyali basant hau nadihruma timi pabitra ganga hau, Arun Thapa
    8. Believe, Cher
    9. Chaiyya chaiyya, A R Rahman
    10. Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: GUEST,fogie
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 04:20 AM

I wish I'd been asked!!! I obviously dont know globally what the most popular song is . What for instance do the the Chinese hum in the bath . Its all very well wanting " a nation once again " but its obvious that the nation still has a lot of problems to sort out. Sounds like the words got round and some group or other wants to make a political point. I guess in the English speaking world the most requested song is White Christmas -isn't it?
What happened to my mudcat name??


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:19 PM

Fogie, What`s the matter, do you want a recount, Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:26 PM

This is so funny. Remember the exception taken by some about the U.S.'s 'World' Series in baseball?

As a provincial American, I've never even heard of 'A Nation Once Again' nor even of the Wolfe Tones. Allegedly, this is a poll taken by the 'BBC World Service', of which I've never heard, either. So just who voted in this exhaustive quest to ascertain the world's favorite song?


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:35 PM

A belief in democracy, is like a belief in fairies. It's bound to end in either buggery or disappointment.
Giok


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: pattyClink
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:39 PM

I love that song, but for heaven's sake, it's not the least bit popular. What kind of @#$@#(& passes for a polling company over there?


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:44 PM

No, in today's world, I think it would have to be not a song, but a warm-up exercise: Me-me-me-me-meeeeeeeeeeeee.........

~Susan


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Amergin
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:45 PM

actually i can't stand that song...have heard plenty better.,...


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:52 PM

tsk..one you read about the voting process, it's not hard to imagine that a few Irish email lists would garner more 'votes' than India might muster...and where was this advertised? And why rate apples against oranges anyway? What silly thing to survey!


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:57 PM

No problems with #1, though I don't care for it either, never bothered to learn it even though I've had a request or 2 come St. Paddy's Day.

I'm just miffed that anything by Cher would have beat out anything by so many other people.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Peter T.
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 04:06 PM

Paul's grandfather sings it in "A Hard Day's Night", so it must be an important tune. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 04:37 PM

The United States abuses the hell out of the term "world", why can't England, too?


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 06:24 PM

do two wrongs make it right? *grin*.....


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: masato sakurai
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 07:27 PM

The World's Top Ten are:

    Number 1. A nation once again, Wolfe Tones

The Wolfe Tones are one of Ireland's most famous folk bands. They recorded A Nation once again in 1964. The song was written in the 1840s as a call for Irish independence.
   
    Number 2. Vande Mataram, Various artists

A patriotic Hindi song, the lyrics from a very famous poem written by Bankim Chandra Chatarji. Regarded by many as India's national song. Performed in the 50's film "Anand Math".
   
    Number 3. Dil Dil Pakistan, Vital Signs

Vital Signs' first real taste of success was "Dil Dil Pakistan" in 1987. It instantly became the song that was on everyone's lips, a kind of pop national anthem. Next was their debut album: Vital Signs, released in 1989 it produced several hits including Gori, Yeh Shaam and Samjana.
   
    Number 4. Rakkamma Kaiya Thattu, llayaraaja

Performed by S. P. Balasubramaniam and Swarnalatha, Rakkamma Kayya Thattu, this song is from the movie "Tali-Party", an Indian version of the God-father. The musical director of the film was Ilayaraaja.
   
    Number 5. Poovum Nadakkuthu Pinchum Nadakkuthu, Thirumalai Chandran

From the Tamil Tiger Film "Mugungal" about the Tamil plight in Sri Lanka.
   
    Number 6. Ana wa Laila, (Me and Laila) Kazem El Saher

Tall, dark and handsome, Kazem Al-Saher is arguably the biggest pop star to come out of Iraq. Ana wa Laila, his most famous song is about his love for Laila. pop star to come out of Iraq. This, a song from the early part of his career (late 90's) is about his tortured love for Laila.
   
    Number 7.Reetu haruma timi hariyali basant hau nadihruma timi pabitra ganga hau, Arun Thapa

A very romantic song the title of which means "You are the spring amongst the seasons". From one of Nepal's biggest pop stars. The Late Thapa died in 1999. He had been suffering from lung and liver ailment. He started his singing career approximately 30 years ago when he first sang his songs in Radio Nepal in 1971. Thapa's songs are popular among all sections of the society.
   
    Number 8. Believe, Cher

Cher is a solo singer who made her name in the 60's as part of a husband and wife singing team but has gone on to have hits in 5 decades. Her song "Believe" was a number 1 single in the UK in 1998 and went on to be the biggest selling single of the year remaining at the top of the UK charts for 7 weeks. Cher is also an Oscar winning film actress appearing in films such as: Mask, Witches of Eastwick and Moonstruck.
   
    Number 9.Chaiyya Chaiyya, A R Rahman
Music director: A R Rahman

From the film "Dil Se", Chaiyya Chaiyya is performed by the Punjabi folk singer Sukhinder Singh. The musical director of the film A R Rahman, is one of Bollywood's top music directors.
   
    Number 10. Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen

The only record to top the UK chart on 2 occasions selling more than 1 million copies each time, first in Nov. '75 and again in Dec.'91. Widely recognised as first pop tune to have its own video, this six minute pop opera regularly tops polls in UK. The group Queen were composed of Roger Taylor on drums, John Deacon on Bass.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 07:58 PM

World music gets almost no play in North America. Here in Canada, the Canadian Broadcasting Co. has about an hour on Sunday, and CKUA has three hours of music from Ireland and Scotland on Friday evenings (both on the internet).
"Believe," I have heard, and I have most Wolfe Tones cds, but agree that few people outside of Irish nationalists listen to them. Surprised that Amazing Grace didn't make the list; it is difficult to get away from.
The BBC Radio Three is on the internet, and I often have it in the background as I use the computer. I see that the article is from Radio One, which I don't think is on the internet.


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Subject: Review: A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST,Neil Comer
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:04 PM

This has just been voted ( by BBC poll) the best song of all time. Any thoughts?
Messages from multiple threads combined. I moded this message here from another thread on the same topic.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Review: A Nation Once Again
From: harvey andrews
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:23 PM

Meaningless poll hijacked by an interest group
Messages from multiple threads combined. I moded this message here from another thread on the same topic.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:33 PM

The United States abuses the hell out of the term "world", why can't England, too? They can, misophist- but then they shouldn't complain.


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Subject: RE: Review: A Nation Once Again
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:34 PM

Was it written by Ayn Rand? ;-) I don't think I know it.

Haruo
Messages from multiple threads combined. I moded this message here from another thread on the same topic.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:52 PM

Children of the Revolution here in Seattle do world music, at least that's what everybody says. Seems to involve belly dancing. They send me lots of email.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST,Gerry.
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 09:33 PM

A nation once again by the Wolfetones would not rank as Irelands favourite song never mind the worlds.
Looks like vote rigging to me.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 09:33 PM

Thanks for combining the threads, Joe, but you did kind of eviscerate the punch of my Ayn Rand comment, which was quite pithy as an immediate reply to harvey andrews. (The allusion is to the Modern Library editors' poll a few years back, where three or four of the top ten titles in 20th century literature were written by the lady.)

Haruo


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Jimmy C
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 10:21 PM

I'm surprised that anyone would conduct a poll like this. But results are results and we have to live with the outcome. I cannot see a nation with the population the size of Ireland being able to outvote many of the worlds more populated countries, maybe the extra votes came from people in those countries who really want to be Irish, what do you say Ard Macha ?. LOL.

I'm really surprised at Cher's "Believe" getting mentioned as well.
Fogie, what in your mind constitutes "the English speaking world".

I would have thought that Amazing Grace or Scotland the Brave would be mentioned as well, it seems that every time a pipe band has to play at a parade,,, a football game or a funeral, anywhere in the world these two tunes are a must. Having played in a pipe band I know there are many more tunes and I would love to hear something else played - just once.
But having said that , and being Irish I will live with the result, although as we all know that the most popular "Irish Songs" in the world would have to be the non-Irish Danny Boy and "It's a long way to Tipperary".

Erin go brath.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 11:14 PM

Jimmie C, you forgot Toora Loora Looral!


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Jimmy C
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 12:47 AM

Oh yeah, I was hoping everyone else would forget that one as well, but with " Going my Way" being frequently shown around Christmas time,it's probably not going to happen. Ah well.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: leprechaun
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 03:12 AM

I've just pasted this thread onto another document so I could rearrange the posts and uneviscerate Haruo's Ayn Rand comment. For anybody intersted in some pith, it goes like this:

Subject: RE: Review: A Nation Once Again
From: harvey andrews - PM
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:23 PM

Meaningless poll hijacked by an interest group


Subject: RE: Review: A Nation Once Again
From: Haruo - PM
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 08:34 PM

Was it written by Ayn Rand? ;-) I don't think I know it.

Haruo



I got your back, Haruo.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 03:39 AM

A c'mon JimmyC and Ard! **BG** My mom used to sing me to sleep with that almost every night. It wasn't til I was an adult that I knew about the stupid movie! Also didn't know how corny it seemed to the Irish, but I still sing and my kids loved it growing up, too.

I would think Imagine might've been in there, esp. over Cher. I cannot believe Cher was even included!

Ebbie, BBC World Service is on NPR. Gives a different perspective on the day's world events. Didn't say a thing, that I heard, about a stupid music poll, though.:-)

kat


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Felipa
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 06:21 AM

Irish people around the world would listen to BBC world service, but I'm thinking the votes for "A Nation Once Again" were largely from non-Irish. From the runners up Indian subcontinent contingent obviously are a big part of the voting audience. Some of them would vote for an Irish patriotic song ...Indians used to study and admire Irish nationalists who gained independence from England. Voters from eastern European countries might also feel the song relates to their countries becoming nations once again.

I'd rather hear Luke Kelly's rendition than "The Wolfe Tones"


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 06:40 AM

What Felipa says makes a lot of sense, poor oul Ebbie proving once again how bloody insular the US is.
Personally I think it`s all a wind-up,how the hell can you vote for the Worlds favourite song?.
Jimmy C I agree, Danny Boy would be known all over the world, and anyway think of the poor oul ajudicators having to give their verdict on such gems as, The muckin` of Geordie`s byre and My old mans a dustman. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 08:39 AM

Jimmy,

I would have to add to your two songs, "The Isle Of Innisfree". This is one of the greatest and most beautful songs of Ireland and immigration.

It's to be included along with "Danny Boy" in a new series on BBC Northern Ireland in the New Year. The programme is about great Irish songs, "Innisfree" will be sung by Brian Kennedy.

Trish
PS you might like to read some stuff in this website I came across recently.   
http://www.stoneandfarrelly.com


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 10:42 AM

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that an Irish song won. The BBC 'World Service' was not, as previously suggested, any attempt to say that this is 'The world' but an attempt by the BBC to bring British radio to British, including Irish, ex-pats all over the world.

Considering that the Irish are probably the best travelled of any people inhabiting the British Isles (Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!) it is no real wonder that they are the ones listening most to the world service.

There are one or two songs that I thought would have been more popular amongst the Irish ex-pat voters but I am not amongst that group so I cannot know their views.

The inclusion of so many songs from countries previously in the British Empire only goes to show how people living there still feel Britsh! Bohemian Rhapsody is no surprise as that came out as number one in BBC radios top of the last 50 years poll as well. Cher does surprise me but I am no big fan so I guess I should not say anything;-)

I suspect any such survey by the equivelent US, Australian, German or Patagonian 'World Service' would result in a US, Australian, German or Patagonian patriotic song in the lead! (Nationalities chosen at random - pleased do not read anything into them!)

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 10:46 AM

Oh - and I should point out that the difference in meaning between the US 'World Series' and the BBC 'World Service' can provide yet another shining example of the two countries divided by a common language...


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Declan
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 10:10 AM

As they say in Irish Republican circles vote early and vote often.

One person registering votes could win this poll for any song of their choice. Its meaningless. But its got a few good conversations about folk songs going in a few pubs I've been in over the run in to Christmas, so what harm.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Jimmy C
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:33 PM

Guest,
Many thanks for the link to the site about the author of "Isle of Innisfree" it's really too bad that he did not live to hear his son's recording. This is one of the "Irish Stage Songs" that I actually like, I suppose being an immigrant myself may have something to do with that.

Merry Christmas


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:53 PM

Well, I just love a poll that names Roger Taylor and John Deacon as THE members of Queen!

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:12 PM

Despite Ard's claim of US bloody insularity, we hicks out here in Cawl-ah-ra-duh seem to listen to the BBC World Service a lot. And, gee, we'uns are pretty sure it does not purport to be a world dominion. (Is it okay if I use them big words?) I think we may also know the bloody US World Series has nothing to do with NEWS. One more question: do we have to have Irish ears in order to listen? Where can I order some of them online?

katiamanisland


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:12 PM

Speaking of The Queen...I agree this hilarious "world music" poll is for the colonies, with the Cher song thrown in for the southern queen community.

Haruo, some of us [haughty sniff] appreciated you interjecting an objectivist view.

And speaking of ridicuous "world music" polls in the Obscurantist and Obtuse Music Poll category, I would like to nominate the hilarious 2002 fRoots poll.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Big Tim
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:45 PM

Trish; do you have the details, dates, etc when that BBC NI programme is scheduled for broadcasting? I'd like to try and arrange to have it taped.

Re the Poll: a piece of nonsense, "The West's Awake" should have won it!


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Haruo
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:46 PM

Leprechaun, thanks for restoring my pith, and you too, GUEST, [veddy non-non-U drawl] for appreciating my objectivity.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: ard mhacha
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:55 PM

Kats, Sorry about that broad sweeping stupid statement, but forgive me I was thinking of poor oul Bush. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: belfast
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 01:58 PM

It has been suggested that people were emailing each other to canvass for the winner. This is, of course, true. I received about half a dozen such emails myself. It is also implied that some people voted more than once. Possibly.   If you voted at home and then at work. You could only vote once on any one telephone line. So even if there were ten people with access to one computer, they had only one vote.

So, was there a certain amount of "vote rigging"? Possibly, but compared to the election that put Bush in power it was open and honest.

And this one had an amusing result.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 04:23 PM

Tsk, go on wid ye, Ard...I'se pullin yer leg anyhow, tho I was also defending our Ebbie, an erudite womon after my own heart. I do understand about Bush, but I am afraid you have more charity than I...I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for him in anyway.:-)

Wouldn't that be something, if we in the US voted by a phone call? Belfast is right, it would be better than we got this last time!


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 02:25 AM

OK folks (and folkies) the cat is out of the bag on this one.

It IS as belfast sez.

I was emailed by my radical republican friend who told me that there was a great campaign to flood the BBC with the Wolfe Tones version of "A Nation Once Again" votes.

It was a bit of www guerilla action.

When I sent in my vote ANOA by the WT was already at 12th. This was on the first day of voting.

Said friend was made aware of the climb to 12 and she, having access to a huge email list, redoubled her efforts.

Cheating?, why of course!

Every so often it becomes necessary for ordinary people to behave in extraordinary ways. It is what keeps our leaders honest.

Goldang, I love this world!

CB


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: shanty_steve
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 05:36 AM

I too received an e-mail urging me to vote for this song, although not from republican friends. I even heard people on the radio urging us to vote for it, just to stop 'Candle in the Wind' from winning!. Its just that it seems to appeal to the Irish sense of humour to subvert polls such as this. I remember that at the end of 1999, Time magazine was holding a poll on the person who had the most impact on the 20th century. I received e-mails urging me to vote for a guy called Ronny O'Brien. Ronny was a young Irish soccer player who had been signed up by Juventus in Italy, but who had never got to play a match with them (and still hasn't!). I believe that Ronny was doing very well in the Time poll until the organisers disqualified him.
Anyway, from looking at the BBC top 10, it appears that most of the songs were there as the result of a campaign.

Stephen


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 05:43 AM

It's actually a good song, though the Wolfe Tones' version is pretty awful - they're a shouty kind of a band.

It starts:

When boyhood's fire was in my blood

I dreamt of ancient free men

Of Greece and Rome who bravely stood

Three hundred men and three men...

(a reference to (respectively) the Spartans at Thermopylae and Horatio on the Tiber bridge defending Rome from the forces of Clusium).

By the way, Dave the Gnome, "British people abroad, including Irish" is inaccurate - it's a bit like saying "Canadians abroad, including New Yorkers".


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 08:12 AM

Actually the BBC World Service is not intended for ex pat Brits, although it is obviously listened to by them.
It is widely respected as the most independent and objective of the foreign service radio stations (Voice of America etc.)
It has always refused to promote the British Government line in news reports. The government considered shutting it down over its reporting of the war in Suez in 1956.
It broadcasts in dozens of languages.
Isn't it a little bit sad that some small minded interest group found it important to use the amusing, truly global, poll to make their little point?
In 1982, 2nd Batallion The Parachute Regiment lost many men ,including the Colnel, When the World Service broadcast the goverment announcement of their imminent attack on the Argentine garrison at Goose Green. The Argentinians were able to vastly reinforce and surprise was lost.


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: GUEST,ex-pat at work
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 11:09 AM

Regardless of the poll, A Nation Once Again is a powerful piece of writing by Thomas Davis (1845). A classic from the 1840's being revered in 2002, how great is that? It is a pity he died so young, who knows what other beautiful songs he may have composed.
As Derek Warfield, of the Wolfetones, said to me last September, Davis was not here long but it was what he did with his time on earth that was important.

Slainte,
Ollie


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 11:11 AM

yes, yes, yes! we are a naughty bunch certainly! I deliberately witheld an additional bit of info in my response which I will share now. There were three "boxes" to select 1. the song 2. the performer (and "various" was an option) and 3. Why?... my answer was "800 years".

The BBC article mentions attempts to spam and use "interest groups". Either they are truly dense or they didn't consider the vote for ANOA to be spam or from influence groups. Probably because there was a "one phone line, one vote" aspect to it all. I voted once, could have voted half a dozen times but didn't. So perhaps it is a legitimate win after all and there are just a lot of people out there who like "shouty bands" and the song "A Nation Once Again"!

It was NOT mean spirited by the way. Just cheeky.

CB


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Big Tim
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 11:37 AM

Wasn't there a similar "plot" last year to get Keith Wood, Ireland's rugby captain, elected as BBC Sports Personality of the Year?!


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Subject: RE: The world's favorite song - A Nation Once Again
From: Strupag
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 07:25 PM

It's all a bit sad that, firstly, such a poll is taken serioulsy, and secondly, that a group of Irish/Irish ex-pats choose a song about aspirations of nationhood. I thought the Irish had achieved the status of being "A Nation Once Again" a long time ago!
Now if you had chosen something like Tommy Sand's "Your Daughters and Your Sons" that would have been something. Nationhood is not always equated to freedom.


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