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Subject: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 01:43 PM

I know this is an unusual request for this site but it's a long shot, if anyone knows the friends reunited school web site in America please could you send the address to me, I am trying to trace a person for My mum who is now 81 she lost track of the love of her life, his name was Gardner Mac Donald (Gardner 'Torpedo' MacDonald) he lived in Nutley, New Jersey, he went to Nutley High School class of 1940's.

My mother had all her letters destroyed at the end of the war and lost all track of him. She would just like to put things right before it is too late for her. I won't go right into the story but it is a real live love story that had a really sad end, and I would like to change that end for them both. I have been trying now for about 18months but without success. Any ideas would be VERY welcomed.

So Please if there is anyone in New Jersey who is able to help just contact me on the following e-mail: shelaghnorris@ hotmail.com

Thanks

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Amos
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 01:50 PM

RC:

See email -- there is a gent by that name in Nantucket.

A


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: RangerSteve
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 02:16 PM

the best site I've found is Classmates.com. I did a search for Nutley High School from 1939 to 1951, but didn't find Gardner Macdonald listed. I didn't check the Catholic schools in Nutley,(there were two, I believe). Send me a list of other towns in the area where he might have lived and I'll check them for you. You can search through classmates.com for free, and register for free, but they don't list email addresses, and if you want to email one of your classmates through the website, it costs something like $19.95 a year to join.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 03:25 PM

what do you know about his military service? Rank, service, what did he do (torpedo might give us some hints). mg


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 06:57 PM

He was a Lieutenant in the catering corp, and served in the far East during the war. He lived in the High Street in Nutley, and he had one sister named Margaret, and a daughrter born in 1954 named Cynthia Ann.

Thanks everyone who has replied so far.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 26 Dec 02 - 08:23 PM

are you giving us permission to post on other lists that might be helpful? I am on some veterans' lists and they have access to various bits of information. mg


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 04:15 AM

Yes that would be great Mary, anything that may help track Gardner for mum. thanks so much.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Amos
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 10:34 AM

RC:

Try calling the guy in Nantucket. Stranger things have happened!

A


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: annamill
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 01:47 PM

Rock Chick, please read my PM to you.
Annamill


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 01:56 PM

Thanks Amos, I rang yesterday as soon as I got your message, the number was unattainable, but I got through to directory enquiries international and they had two number for this address, I rang and left a message for him. If I do not hear in a couple of days I will ring again.

I e-mailed you back, hope you received my reply.

Thanks for your help,and the others who have relied back, mum is so excited, she couldn't sleep I had to tell her not to get her hopes to high. Mind you I really keeping my fingers, toes and anything else crossed, hoping something may come out of all this. There is no doubt Mudcatters are truly the best.

Rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 01:57 PM

Have you contacted the US armed forces? Do you know what service he was in and where he was posted?


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 02:02 PM

Guest, JTT,

Mum can only remember that he was a Lieutenant in the catering corp, and that he served in the far East, her memory is not so good now, she just cannot remember what regiment he was in either.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 02:38 PM

ASK her if she could mean the quartermaster corps. They did the food and stuff. I have never heard of a catering corps.

Does she remember anything about his uniform? Patches, ribbons, etc. mg


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 02:53 PM

Will do Mary, she has gone to bed now so will ask her in the morning and will let you know.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 03:30 PM

If he was known as "torpedo" wouldn't that indicate the navy? I don't know military well at all, but that's what comes to mind.

In addition ot the places I emailed, another one to check with would be the Clan Donald (MacDonald) for the USA. If he is into that kind of thing, he may be a member. There are main and regional contacts listed on that page.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 03:49 PM

Also, have you tried the librarian in Nutley? Here's a link to the city's site with links to the library: clickety.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 08:39 PM

I thought the same with the nickname 'Torpedo' I will check the clan Donald for the USA, my sister checked the library but said she had no luck, maybe i'll check it again.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Allan C.
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 09:17 PM

RC, you're gonna let us know how this eventually works out, won't you?


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Dec 02 - 09:27 PM

Without a doubt Allan C.

Let hope it has a happy ending.

I was only given the story from my mum 18 months ago, i couldn't beleive she had kept it to herself for so many years, i just had to try to put things right for them, she is so desperate to speak to Gardner before it's too late for them both.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 12:02 AM

here is some information..might not be the right person, and if it is, it is sad news. People are going to try and find out military information on him.

> Mary--
>
>
> Andy will tell you that I'm no military expert, but I have some information
> on *a* Gardner MacDonald. This one died in 1993.
>
> GARDNER W MACDONALD
> b. 04 Aug 1922
> d. 31 Dec 1993
> Last residence: 33711 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
> SSN: 155-16-1834
> SSN issued: New Jersey
>
> He's the right age, he was issued his SSN in New Jersey, and that's all I
> know.
> .
> --Tim


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 12:28 AM

here is a place I found by looking for the Catering Corps. it seems to be a British and Australian term; I have not heard of it in the U.S. and I am an Army veteran. This is about the Burma campaign.

http://www.burmastar.org.uk/discussion.htm


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 01:37 AM

Most interesting! Zip 33711 is not far from me, if I can do any research here please advise. I have checked our local paper but their online archives presently only go back to the year 2000.

According to a Google search the Army Catering Corps long since has been made part of the regular Army. It was the British equivalent of what we would have called our Mess (strange name, never did know why) which would have included cooks, bakers, and other food handlers.

Mary, you may have opened a can of worms for yourself! Can you share with us the source of your research that led you to the above information? I have sevral names and serial numbers that I have tried to trace with no avail! Thanks


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 05:43 AM

There are tons of links to different obituary resources HERE, both general and more specific (near the bottom of the page.)

If he is already gone, your mum could still write him a letter, telling him all of the things she wanted to anyway, then put it away for a while and then burn it or burn it after she writes it. It's a good way to symbolically let go and feel one has made some kind of connection.

Good luck,

kat


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 06:19 AM

Banjer:

GARDNER W MACDONALD
> b. 04 Aug 1922
> d. 31 Dec 1993
> Last residence: 33711 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
> SSN: 155-16-1834
> SSN issued: New Jersey
>
> He's the right age, he was issued his SSN in New Jersey,

Mum thinks this could be the Gardner that Mary found the info on, if he had a daughter named Cynthia Ann (Anne) not sure which spelling, who was born in 1954 and one sister Margaret then it is him.

Is there anyway of finding this information out.


rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 06:20 AM

Mary

Mum cant remember his uniform, her memory is not good after so many years, she remember he named his daughter after my sister, they were born in the same year 1954, and that he had one sister Margaret, it's not a lot to go on i know.

Is that that last residence a home address, if so maybe i could write and find out if he had a daughter Cynthia Anne and a sister Matgaret, that would tell us at least if this was the right man.

rc


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 06:37 AM

Rock Chic, according to the results of the zip code search the address would be either in St Petersburg or Gulfport. I will attempt a directory search when I can get to the library. (Probably Monday) I will keep you posted on any results.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 07:46 AM

Banjer,thanks a million.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 08:39 AM

Rock Chic, I have succesfully 'infiltrated' my local public library's data sources. I found the obituary for the Gardner Mac Donald in question.

MacDONALD, GARDNER W., 71, of St. Petersburg, died Friday (Dec. 31, 1993) at Palms of Pasadena Hospital. Born in Boston, he came here in 1973 from Memphis, Tenn., and was a retired industrial salesman. During World War II, he served in the Army. He was a Protestant and a member of AA for 16 years. Survivors include his wife, Sharon; three daughters, Jennifer Griffith, Palm Harbor, Cynthia Phares, St. Louis, and Barbara MacDonald, Antioch, Tenn.; a sister, Joan VanCampen, Isle of Palms, S.C.; four grandchildren; and a great-grandchild. National Cremation Society, St. Petersburg

None of the daughters names match nor is a sister Margaret listed as a survivor, unless Joan's middle name is Margaret! I will still attempt to get my hands on a city directory for the time period that he would have lived in the area.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 11:36 AM

One of the daughters matched, though, Banj. I will check with this additional info at ancestry.com, too. It may have something.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 11:52 AM

A quick check on my 411 search device for the surname PHARES in ST. Louis, Missouri turned up the following three possibilities.

Some may be the grandkids?

Anybody in or around St. Louis that can make a few phone calls and talk to any of these folks?


Donald Phares   314-432-5441
1537 Oak Forest Pkwy Ct
Saint Louis, MO 63146

Kathleen Phares   314-389-2367
8340 Ardsley Dr
Saint Louis, MO 63121

Scott Phares   314-842-6703
7939 Royal Arms Ct
Saint Louis, MO 63123

Let's keep at it until we have an answer for Mum!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 12:00 PM

Additionaly, out of eight possible listings for GRIFFITH in Palm Harbor, FL I have been able to eliminate four of them since they appear to be husbands and wifes listed twice, same phone number and addresses. If nothing is found out of the St Louis area I will call the remaining ones thhis evening. Running out of time right now, have to go. Good luck, all!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 01:43 PM

I''ll be out of town tonight and leaving asap so I'll be checking in omorrow. I also have friends in St. Petersburg and a librarian friend in St. Louis so maybe they can help too. A friend got the original information off social security files...

mg


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Naemanson
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 03:12 PM

Wow! This is a great thread. Don't leave us hanging...

Good luck to all.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 03:47 PM

Have tried the three numbers.

The first one i left a message, and will call again tomorrow
The second there was no reply so will try again tomorrow
The third again i have left a message so will try again tomorrow.

If anyone else in the area manages to get through please let me know.

To my knowledge Cynthia Ann (Anne) was the eldest daughter and he only had one sister Margaret, but as you say Banjer Margaret could have been the middle name of Joan.

Thanks everyone, i know i keep saying it, but it's from the heart.

By the way whats the time zones over there, is it not different in different states? hate to think i was phoning in the early hours of the morning!!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 06:03 PM

The east coast is Mudcat time, then somewhere around the middle of the country it is an hour earlier than that, in the Rocky Mtns we are 2 hours earlier than Mudcat, then the west coast another hour and on from there.

I can get the death certificate number for you and ancestry.com, if you decide you want to get a copy of the actual certificate. It would give you a bit more info, but not necessarily what happened to him in later life, except where and when he died, which you already know if this is the correct one, and, it might show a spouse, which could be helpful. There are places on line where you can order a copy for a fee. I'd think this would be low on the possibilities of being helpful, though.:-)


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 06:31 PM

Kat, we already know the spouse was Sharon, if one of the three folks in St Louis can confirm Joan's middle name that would clinch it. Also if any of them could recall what their dad did in the service and if they knew of any nicknames he might have gone by would also be helpful. Assuming of course that this is the right Gardner, although the age and DOB are too much of a coincidence I think. We shall see when RC makes contact with the St. Louis crowd. All we can do now is sit and anxiously await!!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Tinker
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 08:49 PM

Just saw this,I haven't been around for a few days.   If the phone calls don't find an answer,I can submit a letter to the Nutley town paper. (It's only two towns over.) Perhaps someone will remember in Nutley. It's not that big a town. But it's weekly and will take a bit of time. I'll keep watch here as well.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 08:59 PM

Oh, thanks, Banj! (I had a brain cell but it got lonely and left!)


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: allie kiwi
Date: 29 Dec 02 - 05:08 AM

Wow, I'm a little teary eyed reading this. I think you are all amazing people to do this for someone. Good luck in the search!

Allie


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 29 Dec 02 - 07:37 AM

Banjer and everyone.

Managed to get through to one lady in Saint Louis,Kathleen Phares, no luck there. Again tried the other two guys but no reply, may have to write to them, actually i will do a couple of letters now.

I agree with you allie kiwi, everyone is amazing.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 30 Dec 02 - 05:53 AM

I posted the letters today to the Phares people and to the G Mac Donald as i couldn't get any answer by phone. it may take a while to get any answers back but i'll keep my fingers crossed.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 30 Dec 02 - 06:46 AM

We will all keep our fingers crossed with you and hope this gets resolved soon. Good Luck!!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 30 Dec 02 - 01:24 PM

2003 could be a good year!


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 31 Dec 02 - 07:01 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 31 Dec 02 - 07:05 PM

HI RC, I called those numbers in Palm Harbor today. The list narowed down to two possibilities for Jennifer Griffith. Got through on one number and they did not know a Jennifer. The other number just rang with no answering machine. I will try that one again later this week.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: rock chick
Date: 01 Jan 03 - 06:36 AM

Your a STAR Banjer, spoke to mum yesterday, she is overwhelmed by all the kindness of Mudcatters, she doesn't understand computers at all and finds it unbelievable that contact can be made so quickly. She is so excited, only hope we can come up with something, even if it is sad news.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 01 Jan 03 - 01:28 PM

rock chick...maybe contact nfortin@aol.com

She is involved with a military list that helps in location.
She said to contact her.


mg


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Banjer
Date: 01 Jan 03 - 04:10 PM

Mary, would this person mind inquiries about other military members? I would like to find what happened to my real dad. He was stationed in Germany around 1947 and shipped home just about the time I was born. He would probably be in his eighties if still alive today.


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 03 - 02:43 AM

I just encountered this interesting thread. A search on the sister, Margaret Macdonald, brings up a woman of about the right age who was in school in nearby Bayonne in 1930. The information comes from this page:

Photo # 16056
Last Name MacDonald
First Name Margaret
Middle Name Ritchie
Subject's City Bayonne
Subject's State NJ
Subject's Country USA
Date 1930
Photographer Quair
Photographer's City   New Brunswick
Photographer's State   NJ
Nee   
Type** PRT
Comments Juniors - 1930 *Quair* New Jersey College for Women, of Rutgers University

Bayonne is very close, just a couple of towns south of Nutley. If this is a relative, the alumni office at Rutgers might help you locate this woman. You'll find a link to her yearbook photo on the page I linked to at the top. Might not hurt to ask if he went to this school as well. Sometimes you'll find that all family members attended the same university.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Help- find lost love in America for mum
From: mg
Date: 02 Jan 03 - 04:02 AM

banjer, go ahead and contact her. Her main contacts are probably Vietnam era though. mg


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