BS: Bush's Opium War

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:39 AM

Like I said, GUEST, Forum Lurker, "this is somewhat of a side bar". But since you asked, the heathens far outweigh the heretics as it is not as popular to denounce the existence of God. The heathens, on the other hand, may actually say the believe because it is politically correct but their actions say otherwise.

End of Bobert's "thread drift".

Peace

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 12:46 AM

The cornerstone of Jesus's teachings is forgiveness. The cornerstone of almost all later theology is sin. They are two sides of the same coin, but most people prefer to dwell on the negative.

Who exactly counts as a heathen these days, compared to heretics? And how exactly does it relate to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 08:46 PM

Little Hawk:

Yeah, gotta agree with you that there exists a vast divide between the teachings of Jesus and many of the lessons of the Old Testament.

I kinda like to think of Jesus as a *mid-course* correction.

This is where I part company with many fundementalists who spend way to much time in the Old Testament trying to find justifications for their need to control others.

To me the cornerstone of Christianity is "forgiveness", not revenge!

I heard Mr. Bush tonight on the news talking like a rabbied dog about Saddam. Rather than sit down with Saddam like Jesus would have *certainly* done, Bush is going to kill him. Make no bones about it. Bush wants to kill him! Where's the lesson's of Jesus in this? No where, that's where! Bush is no more a follower of Christ than I am a computer wizzard....

And just to bring this thread back on course. Bush certainly knows about drugs. Word on the street that he used to do more than just a little coke. But this is somewhat of a side bar....

And BTW, God don't throw too many blessings at heathens, if any...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 08:17 PM

There's not enough Prozac in this world... time for the Thorazin dart, and shoot low, this guy is loping...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Paying off Terrorists, on Cipro 9-11
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 11:47 PM

(The people in the American government and intelligence community who assisted the terrorists on Sept. 11 are being promoted and given bonuses. Marion Bowman refused to let good field agents apply existing law to look at the hard drive. Bowman is directly responsible for letting Bush and Eberhart carry out the attacks...and now he gets a bonus of our tax money. For murdering innocents. I truly hope Grassley is as steamed as he sounds...I hope this isn't just another diversion):

FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III has been asked by a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to justify an award he gave to an FBI official who refused requests by Minneapolis agents for a warrant to search the computer of terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, described as "shocking" Mr. Mueller's decision to give the Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service award to Marion "Spike" Bowman, head of the FBI's national security law unit.

"By granting this award and a monetary bonus, you are sending the wrong signal to those agents who fought — sometimes against senior FBI bureaucrats at headquarters — to prevent the [September 11] attacks," Mr. Grassley said in a letter Thursday to Mr. Mueller....

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030111-10797061.htm

(Bush went on the antibiotic Cipro on Sept. 11. WEEKS before the 'anthrax attack'. Not only did he have prior knowledge the plane attacks were coming, he had prior knowledge the anthrax attacks were coming. Clinton was impeached over a blowjob, people. We have a slam-dunk case for mass murder of Americans against GWBush. And these stories are just the couple new ones I came across today. There are thousands of stories about government involvement in Sept. 11 and the anthrax 'attack' out there):

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, said today that the Bush administration has failed to provide a complete and accurate response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning the decision to place White House staff on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic, Cipro, the same day as the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Troll
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:23 PM

As I recall, "Skull and Bones" is the name of a dining club at Harvard. It is considered an honor to be asked to join _you can't put yourself up for membership- and the iniation rituals are highly secretive. It's rather like a coledge fraternity but a bit more exclusive. There's only ONE "Skull and Bones" and that's at Harvard.
There have been men from all walks of life and of every political persuasion in Skull and Bones but I'm not surprised to see them brought up as a figure of incipient world domination. I just think that the Bilderbergs and the Gnomes of Zurich are going to be miffed at not being mentioned.
And after all their tireless work too.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:47 PM

Yeah, but if you truly believe in what Jesus taught by the example of his own life and conduct then you CAN'T believe certain other things in the Bible! :-) Unless you're either dead stupid or insane...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 12:28 AM

He isn't a BELIEVING Christian, but then most people, even the ones who genuinely believe in the truth of the Bible, don't practice everything it demands. His religious beliefs really don't have much bearing on the situation. I will agree that he is either wicked, or just stupid and very petty.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 03:17 PM

Good points.

I'm not up to the finer points of difference between Satanists and Luciferians. Yeah, maybe GW is just a half-hearted Luciferian. I just know he's not a Christian. His old man started grooming him for higher office by expunging drug arrests and DWI's and AWOLs, then GW had a 'spiritual awakening' while walking on the beach with Billy Graham...come on, that's so Hollywood it reeks, but Billy Graham is supposed to be beyond reproach, so they used him to back up the conversion nonsense.

GW works out and takes naps and reads the speeches handed to him. And he pays back his supporters. I think his old man (who killed 3 million Central Americans in order to get his Cocaine Cartel established in the U.S.) is TRULY evil, and there's a chance GW is just following the marching orders handed to him by his dad. GW DOESN'T believe in the Christian stuff, as you will soon see when the TRUE Christians bring up anti-abortion legislation. Bush won't sign it. And he promised he would...as a Christian. So, he's NOT Christian, which means he doesn't believe fervently in what he's doing, so that would leave 'just doesn't care'. I could buy that. His goal in life is to become baseball Commissioner. But he sure comports himself in a way consistent with anti-Christian beliefs. All I know for sure is he's wicked, and his old man is even worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 02:37 PM

Most people who believe that God was in the wrong, and worship Lucifer by that name, do not act in the fashion which you ascribe to Satanists. If someone genuinely believes that Lucifer was justified in refusing to obey God, they must also believe in free speech and civil disobedience for humans, which Bush appears not to. If Bush is a Satanist, it is much more along the lines of Crowley: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Either he is convinced that he is right, as LH asserts, or he just doesn't care.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 01:50 PM

My impression is that virtually everybody justifies what they do as "good", according to how they see it at the time. That's why the vital thing about people is this: what are their core beliefs about life and about themselves?

It's true too that there are some people who have become convinced that they are "bad" inside, but those are seldom the people who become great oppressors in this world...they are more often the depressed, the delinquent child, the drug addict, the minor lawbreaker, the suicide, the people in a downward spiral of increasing powerlessness and self-destruction.

The people to really watch out for are those in positions of great power who are SURE they are right, dead right, and are willing to kill any number of other people to set the world "right" by their definition. My impression is that Mr Bush is one of those people. Such people are also often quite busy "righting" what they perceive as a great wrong...by whatever ruthless means possible...and their main means of controlling the public is along those same lines. They tell people that they are defending them and righting a wrong.

The real truth is that they are endangering people and committing a great wrong. What they do is the exact opposite of what they say. They are people of the Lie, and they need scapegoats upon whom to focus blame, fear, and hatred.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 12:06 AM

Hey, some satanists justify what they do as 'good'. Satan's name before he was cast out was 'Lucifer'. 'Light' is the translation of that, I think. Some satanists believe that Satan is good. He was the angel of Light and was unfairly cast out of heaven. They believe the God that cast him out is the evil one, and they are doing good by serving Lucifer instead of God and Jesus, etc.

So, by creating hell on earth, they would be doing good. I personally can't relate to such a concept, but you could see that in a world of opposites, Luciferians could justify their wickedness.

GWBush is undeniably wicked. I watched him as Governor of TX for 6 years, and he's as bad as they come. He got 'tort reform' passed here, and now it's going nationwide. You die in a firey Pinto accident after tort reform is passed, your family can only sue to whatever arbitrary cap Ford pays congress to set on 'damages'. And that's wicked. If Ford KNOWINGLY produced the car expecting people to die, and factored in the cost of lawsuits, they should be run out of business. Instead, with 'tort reform', GWBush will limit the family survivors' claims to five thousand bucks or so. GWBush flaps his lips about 'free market capitalism', but he protects big business with artificial price caps on lawsuits. And that's just one of hundreds of issues where he shows his true self. He's certainly not a free-market capitalist, he's not Christian, and he's not even decent. He's the OPPOSITE of all those things. I'm 90% sure he's a satanist.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 08:37 PM

Claymore, I never DECIDE instantly about anything important. Relax. Nor do I instantly DISCOUNT anything that might be important, just because it is outside the comfortable norms that I am accustomed to.

I have formed no final opinion about Mr Bush, just a certain degree of very strong suspicion. I will continue to consider information as it becomes available. I do think that the Bush administration is behaving in a truly bizarre way, both nationally and internationally, but I'm also aware...that there is much about it I don't know at this point.

In the meantime, I'm as harmless as I ever was.

This GUEST doesn't scare me a bit. I'm curious about what he has to say, and I will give it full consideration. Why should I fear his opinions about anything?

As he said, the only thing evildoers have to fear is the light...the light that illumines what they are up to for everyone to see.

"Dedicated to Satan"? Well, whether or not one believes in Satan in the first place, it is certainly true that some people do...and that belief makes those people very dangerous. It also endows them with a strong sense of destructive purpose, generally speaking, which makes them even more dangerous. Even if there IS no Satan (which is what I generally tend to think) one has to watch out for people who believe in him. I speak from some small experience on that.

So...keep watching for what is true in your way, and I'll keep watching in mine. We both believe in freedom and justice, that is for sure. We both believe in the ideals contained in the US Constitution, I expect, don't we? Maintaining it requires vigilance...patience...and caution not to jump to hasty conclusions or to be so afraid of something "unheard of" as to prejudge it on the spot.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:21 PM

Little Hawk, GET BACK FROM THE EDGE... NOW! Some of these folks are serious wackoids and you need a breath of fresh air...

You may indeed have some negative opinions about the Bush family...

But "Dedicated to Satan"?

Remember that having a rational discussion is predicated on both of the participants being rational.

Now visualize driving across country with GUEST...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:13 PM

It seems appropriate you use the example of light and dark and shadow. The people who are the most dangerous to our existence right now have only one thing to fear...exposure. The light of day. And it's almost as if people are hypnotized, because ALL THE PROOF IS OUT THERE. At our fingertips. And wasn't that one of the catch-lines of the X-Files?...'the truth is out there?' If so, it would be yet another calling-card the Illuminati / Skull & Bones crowd likes to leave behind.

Last Sept. 11, one year after 9-11, the New York State Lottery (the pick 3?) came up 9-1-1. Had never happened before in New York, and it just happened to come on the one year anniversary of 9-11. IN NEW YORK. On the same day, the Chicago Mercantile closed at 911.0000etc. Infinite zeroes. An impossibility. It had never closed at 911 point ANYTHING before, yet it did on the anniversary of 9-11. These are the kinds of 'calling cards' the global banking cartel responsible for Sept. 11 likes to leave. They like to rub our faces in it. A hundred years from now they plan to joke that we were the generation too dumb to see the obvious. That's the plan, at least. But a handful of kids with laptop computers in Tienamen Square set those scum back ten years in their timetable, and that's why we're seeing frantic activity now from the globalists. And that's good, because panic breeds mistakes. I think light will eventually expose them. Then there will be a bit of shooting, then we can get back to our normal lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:52 PM

Okay. I'll check it out.

You know, anyone can believe in anything they want to. That's what's so amazing about people, and it can make them dangerous, depending.

Darkness is a nothingness. It's a not-thing. Imagine the elephant's shadow deciding that it is going to destroy the elephant. It's like that. Imagine a room full of darkness, and the darkness is sitting there thinking "How mighty I am! How I obscure and hide things! How I terrorize those who cannot see because of me! How I have them in my absolute power!"

Then turn on a single light...and where is the darkness? It never truly was...it only appeared to have substantial existence. It's a lack of anything real. Light IS real. It's a powerful form of energy waves (or particles, depending on how you observe it) and it's REAL. That light is analogous to the visible force and presence of God.

People who get together in mysterious orders to "destroy God's Creation" are like the shadow deciding to destroy the elephant that cast it (and without whom it would not exist at all). They are caught up in a really pitiable illusion of their own grandeur.

That doesn't mean, though, that they can't hurt a great many people and do a great deal of damage in the process...because most people consciously live in Shadowland (believing it is All There Is), and are therefore quite vulnerable...on the human level.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:03 PM

www.google.com

Type in combinations of Skull & Bones, Bushes, Illuminati, etc. Even the Democratic wannabe Kerry is Skull and Bones.

The Bushes are NOT Christian. They dedicate their sons to Satan. I don't know any Christians who do that. Look up the Skull and Bones society and remember that GWBush is one of those sick puppies. And they believe Satan WILL win in the confrontation with God. They believe it. They have their own Apocrypha and various 'ancient books' which make Jesus out to be the bad guy. GWBush prays to Satan, folks.

I've studied the Bush family far longer than I care to, and I've learned 2 things:

1) GWBush has one standard bargaining move. He puts the insane and despicable up as his opening offer, then he settles for the merely outrageous. You want a clean table, he throws a cow flop on it. You debate for a while, then he removes half of the turd, but you still have that thing on the table. That's what he's doing with his new 'tax cut package'. Most of it is cuts in taxes on corporate stock dividends. Most people thought he would propose a 50% cut, but he proposed 100%. He's proposing to eliminate them. So now, after the bargaining is done, a 'compromise' of 50% will be reached. I watched it for 6 years in Texas. Same move over and over.

2) Everything GWBush says is 180 degrees opposite of what he means. He doesn't just divert your attention a LITTLE off the mark, he mis-directs you completely the other way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving him credit for his ability to divert or even to negotiatate (Karl Rove does his thinking for him), but whatever comes out of GWBush's mouth, just think opposite and you will know what he really means. And apply this to his statements about being a Christian. The Bushes are not Christian. The patriarchs of the family belong to the Skull and Bones Society. Look up the history of that organization, and you will understand why the folks who belong to it can't be Christian.

That's 'How to Understand GWBush in two simple Steps'.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:42 AM

Yeah. I find extreme Christians and extreme Satanists equally scary. Their thinking leads in the same catastrophic direction...like two runaway trains heading for a collision at ground zero. They both expect to "inherit" the Earth, but neither shall, because neither is "meek" (meaning "not arrogant and full of themselves").

This Skull & Bones Society....haven't heard of that before. If it's true, and the Bushes are in league with what they term "Satan"...well, that gives me hope.

Because, if it is that way, then I KNOW they will not win in the end.

If it's not true, then I don't have to worry about it.

Either way, this looks promising to me... :-)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:06 AM

Just one small objection to this whole "HIV corn" thing you've been ranting about for the last week. You DO realize that a substantial part of the HIV genome is present in all multi-cellular organisms, don't you? Any protein found on the surface of an HIV viral coat is more than likely also found on half of the cells in the human body, and probably serves a simialr purpose. A virus is just too simple to have any particularly unique proteins. Besides, if Dubya really wants to destroy the world, a nuclear launch is easier, faster, more complete, and just as survivable as uncontrolled bio-warfare.

As to Satanism being the cause of this supposed armageddon: why wouldn't a Christian want to force the final conflict? I mean, once Satan is defeated (as Christian theology asserts will be the case) all of the good Christians get to live in eternal paradise. Who wouldn't want that?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:29 AM

Oh, and have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 09:56 PM

Don't know. Didn't see it. The X-files, in some people's opinion, was a major distraction. The word 'Conspiracy' is now linked to 'theory' permanently in large part due to the X-files. The FBI is on the case, but nothing is ever really proven. And Muldar is a little bit...off, isn't he?

I play the guitar and I like sci-fi, so I'm not trashing anyone on this forum, but we've been duped, people. American science went underground 50 years ago, and the things already developed are beyond what we can even have nightmares about. Look up H.R.2277 on the thomas.gov website. The bill to outlaw space-based weapons. Psychotronic, tectonic, climatic weapons. They feed us just enough to dazzle us...a little faster computer each year, new surgical techniques...but the Bushes travel around in space planes. Look it up. The Aurora. We never abandoned space planes in favor of vertical take-off rocketry. We developed both. And now the Aurora can fly around the world in 3 hours and leave the atmosphere. So what's real and what's not? You tell me.

As far as the people CONTROLLING this technology, I know for a FACT they are evil. They have the life-extending technologies, and they want it all for themselves. The U.N. goal is 500,000,000 people worldwide. Half a billion. Just enough to tend the global plantation.

They don't need our creativity anymore...they have their cloning and wonder drugs, and the computers can now create the rest. So, while they're getting us out of the way, I believe they're going to try to rack up a few points with the guy that made it all possible for them (in their belief system). Just sacrifice us all to Satan and they'll live happily ever after. It is the only explanation of the current contrived apocalyptic scenario which makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 09:37 PM

So thats what all that corn in the X file movie was about

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 09:13 PM

Sorry to be too complex. Let me boil it down...THEY ARE GENE SPLICING HIV INTO YOUR CORN! You are being prepared as a huge blood sacrifice to Satan by the people running the world, whether YOU believe it or not. THEY believe it, and they WANT you to strum that gitar and watch those sit-coms while they distribute nuclear arms and bioweapons. And a big part of that sacrifice apparently has to do with you KNOWING that you are to be slaughtered (must be more pleasing to the nostrils of Satan, or something), so that's why all the preparations for the upcoming sacrifice are being carried out in plain view. Tens of thousands of unregulated gene-tampering experiments going on in the world now...unregulated, yet they regulate your freaking car and dog. Why? They WANT things to go haywire. The ruling elite have their bunkers with underground water supplies and food stocks and could not care less what happens to you. You are just sacrificial meat to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Satanic Motivations
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:23 PM

Jeeze, guest, for such a vocabulary you certainly act like a slow learner. Does the phrase "get a life" mean anyting to you?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Satanic Motivations
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:16 PM

"Heave Ho! Devil in the garden
Devil in the garden a'roving"

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Satanic Motivations
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:07 PM

GO AWAY YOU STUPID TROLL! THIS IS A MUSIC SITE!!!!!

Subject: BS: Bush's Satanic Motivations
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:00 PM

An April 10 Reuters press release (www.reuters.com) indicates that a biotechnology company, ProdiGene®, College Station, TX (www.prodigene.com), through a grant from the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has produced a transgenic corn variety that contains a protein found on the surface of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS....

http://www.agcom.purdue.edu/AgCom/Pubs/GQ/GQ_47/gqtf47.html

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I personally don't believe in the Biblical view of the world, but some people claim the folks running the world DO have a Biblical view. And this leads to one of the more interesting explanations as to why the U.S. government and the governments of some other countries have been behaving the way they have lately.

We are on the brink of an engineered world economic collapse, plague and Armageddon, and it has been contrived in large part by the Executive Branch of the United States government. But why? Some say stupidity, some say greed, and some say insanity.

But if you acknowledge the FACT that the people in control of the Executive Branch right now are DOCUMENTED Skull and Bones members, another explanation makes more sense than any of the above.

The Skull and Bones society is an elite group of former Yale University graduates. They have sworn allegiance to Satan and committed their lives to serving him. The Skull and Bones compound on the Yale University grounds is used for many rituals, one of which is the dedication of the members' children to Satan. George Bush I dedicated his infant son GW Bush to Satan on the grounds of Yale University.

The Skull and Bones crowd believes in the Biblical view of the world, only, they pray to Satan. And they believe they are Satan's soldiers in a war with God. So this group of Satanistic soldiers is doing everything it can right now to destroy 'God's Creation'. I mean, this genetic manipulation CANNOT be controlled. It WILL destroy Creation as we know it...some say as God made it.

I personally don't think this will lead to a showdown between God and Satan and a return of Jesus and all that, but the people in the White House DO believe such a confrontation is coming. So they allow mutated genes to be released into our environment while they pray to Satan. They think they can anger God and force him into a battle by tinkering with his handiwork, and all the while they are praying to Satan because they believe he will win that battle and reward them.

So the newly-arisen chaos in the world now makes sense if you take all this into consideration. The CIA -- an extension of occult German Nazism -- is INTENTIONALLY trying to destroy God's handiwork in order to force a final spiritual battle.

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...Nexia scientists put spider genes in mammal cells to make their version of the silk. The company now has genetically modified goats that will produce the protein in their milk...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1760059.stm


Companies have created animals that make human drugs in their milk... Thousands of other research projects along similar lines are under way...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/21/1029114137169.html

...First of all the crops will have to be harvested and destroyed. The rogue seeds contain an antibiotic gene - controversial because of the danger of a gene transfer to bacteria in the guts of animals and humans - who could then develop immunity to antibiotics used to treat diseases such as meningitis, gonorrhoea and tuberculosis...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gmdebate/Story/0,2763,775891,00.html

(Do a websearch...www.google.com...for things like 'ProdiGene contamination', 'Monsanto Rumsfeld genetics', etc., and you'll be shocked at how out-of-hand things are. Tens of thousands of uncontrolled splicing experiments going on. Makes you wonder.)

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Multiple Bush threads combined.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 04:21 PM

Well said, brother. The North American public has been robbed blind over the last 3 or 4 decades, their jobs have been exported overseas, their elections and political parties have been stolen or rendered meaningless, their governments' covert agencies have become drug lords and assassins, and the rest of the World has had even worse things done to it (such as invasion and mass murder in some places and virtual economic slavery in many more), just so a few very rich men could become even richer and increase their stranglehold over all the material gains they seek in this world. These are men who have allegiance to no nation and to no people, and certainly not to your United States Constitution.

Unbelievable. Even Stalin didn't think this big, although he certainly had the general inclination to. And even King George IIIrd of England was not this mad.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 03:35 PM

I enjoyed both the above entries. As far as the Venezuela connection...

A year ago the Bush junta recognized an illegal government in Venezuela. The duly-elected president (a Marxist) was out of the country and the military staged an 'overthrow'. But then the president came back, asked what was going on and returned to the job.

The problem was, the White House recognized the new government IMMEDIATELY. Within a couple of hours. They recognized the leaders of the coup as the official government of Venezuela. They actually tried to deny it later, but it's so ON THE RECORD that it was one of the first big indicators of the lengths to which Bush / Cheney would go to for oil manipulation.

Venezuela is one of the OPEC nations, and 15% of U.S. oil imported comes from there. AND, the president of Venezuela is currently the head of OPEC (rotating post). So the Bushes, while BS'ing the world about 'democracy', assisted the military in their overthrow of the president with money and intelligence and then rewarded the efforts of the coup leaders with official 'recognition'.

Technically, the Bush actions were 'in the interest' of the U.S. Bush was already planning to go to war with Iraq and needed a secure Western Hemisphere oil supply, but you DON'T behave like that and then lie about it when it is SO PUBLIC. Our leaders need to treat us like adults and ASK us if our oil is worth overthrowing democracies to us.

So now, currently, the Bush Company is pouring money into Venezuela again to foment dissatisfaction. The harbors have been blocked so no oil can be exported, and Bush and Cheney are responsible. They want Americans willing to back ANY atrocity in order to get the price of gas at the pump back down.

By the way, the interview here:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=78&row=1

may be the biggest story of the past century. This guy defected from the World Bank (after winning the Nobel Prize for Economics), and he explains how the world works. The World Bank puts pressure on countries like Argentina and Venezuela, plans depressions and riots...and the Bushes work for this plan. GW made phone calls from the White House while his Daddy was President...helped set up the destruction of Argentina...and now they're doing this to the U.S.

And did you know Bush (who is trying now to come up with a 'reason' for war with Iraq) had plans even before going into the White House for this war? It's not about Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc.:

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

As far as Lincoln....I think he and the Founding Fathers would weep. World War 2 and Korean War veterans have just had their medical benefits cut off. They agreed to a contract to serve, in exchange for medical treatment afterwards, and that has just been deleted. Our forefathers would puke. And rightly so. The proof that THIS IS NO GOVERNMENT OF AMERICANS is everywhere, but that particular bit of proof...the withdrawal of benefits to veterans...what more proof do you need?

Subject: What if Abe could see us now???
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 08:39 PM

Ahh the ol gang is back lilhawk Amos and the uninvited guest among others...

I was wondering what good ol Abe would think of the Bush dynasty.
How would Lincoln feel about the now GOP now if he were still alive?
I am not as eloquent or educated as Mr. Lincoln but when has that ever stopped me .....

..................................................................

Lately we have been fooled most of the time but I still believe It can't be done all the time.

I see that 60 acres and a mule was never delivered.
I am sorry for those who are still waiting,
but it is time to move on.
You have earned more than this country has returned you, and for your perseverance, I thank you,
history thanks you.

For all those descendents of the great civil war, this great nation may call upon you to serve in its next great mission.
I ask you to first ask yourselves
"whose God and country is the current president talking about??".
Being duped by those that are already duped is for sheeple and not a free people.

What do I really think of our leaders and GOP today?
They have become the tyrants we once defeated.

Like seafoam these arguments flow in and out but the beach remains. But now a storm is coming and even this beach will be in peril with weapons unimagined in our great civil war.

I am secure in the fact we know who we are. Looking at the results of a plan to dominate the US by any means possible I am saddened. Its not like we really don't know who committed all the desperate assassinations of the 60's. I did not know mine however. Victims seldom do.

I hear the former George Bush didn't fool the most underprivileged either. His greatest achievement was not Operation Desert Storm but the LA riots. Washington DC is ripe for such riots today. The average reading ability is only 3rd grade in DC. The unemployment is high, more people have less to lose and no right to vote for a Senator or Congressman.

These are nervous times.

Vice President Cheney is dancing around like a spider on a hot plate and is digging a bunker under his home in DC.
He has advised FEMA that it may quarantine city populations with the use of the Army to counter "small pox" like outbreaks.
The current presidential dynasty has a free "do over" granted by Rhenquist to "get it right" this time. You can bet they have contingency plans they missed the first time around.

After all... multi billionaire fortunes and multi trillion dollars are at stake. All the mergers that can happen have now happened in industry, oil and of course every branch of the media.
These monopolies do not benefit the average man.
The main job of the media now is getting the average man to support the corporate and government crimes committed against him.

In this country, exactly who are the dupes?:
some are the white nazis like the KKK, some are arrested at adolescence for all their life. and some claim their love is a divine wisdom ,yet lust for executions and war, and the rest are the good people who have chosen to remain silent.

They are led by one issue at a time under the banner of God and country. They are told they are the elite. The right is mobilized by one issue politics like guns or abortion. They are told they are morally higher than everyone else, they are told they will get a tax break and they fall for it every time.
With the mandate of a court determined election the talk radio right struts about stammering that their majority rules, their morality is sacrosanct and only their patriotism counts - others may simply be traitors or at least suspect.

The right really is more than the sum of its duped parts.
It is for God and country in the name of nameless corporations.

The so called left wing opposition to these corporations*
(*businesses that owe no allegiance or taxes to this nation)
can be fooled as well.
There are bigots for the left and those that embrace a fictitious political correctness as to not offend, and in the end become offensive in that effort.
The left is everyone that is sick of the rip off,
not just a segment of socialists or any group with a name or banner,
but the entire Spectrum of the people.

Just imagine a government by the people
for the people

and not just corporations.

Including republicans that understand the moral bankruptcy of CEO white house connections.

Including single parents who gladly take education vouchers not because they hate public education but because there are too many guns in the urban schools.

Including the elderly that see all the breaks given to drug companies but none for them as hmos and monopoly pricing leaves them choosing between food or medication.

Including veterans who have now witnessed the republican president and Supreme Court deny them all the health benefits they were promised prior to going to war.

Including anyone who believes the USA has the might to defend itself without selling its entire economy to Lockheed, star wars 2, and GE while erecting the largest police state to ever infest this country.

Fair minded people have been called the opposition, whackos and much worse. But no matter what we are called...
We are more than the sum of our parts.

We are about to witness another war very similar to our last war that in no small way helped kindle the hatred leading to 9-11 although 9-11 is already so convoluted with unanswered questions, that some say it makes the Warren Commission pale in comparison.


My dear Americans:
Guard against any feeling of powerlessness, brace yourself against CNN claims of victory with the aid of animations, maps and retired generals while the stars and stripes play.

The world is watching. They may see more than we will be allowed to see.
A well informed pulic is the foundation of democracy.
A well informed public is our national security.
An ill informed public is an intentional criminal act.
But ignorance is no excuse for you or anyone.
Some of the world believes all Americans have blood on their hands.
The rational know better and see how easy people have been duped for thousands of years.

Yes during the civil war I suspended Haebeus Corpus for a time.
But I did not ask for an ongoing war for all time,
I did not suspend the bill of rights indefinitely.

I only ask that fellow Americans give no aid to the enemy, foreign or domestic. I ask that you consider that some of the domestic enemies may be oily politicians with a grand design who no longer ask you for sacrifice but demand it.

We are now on the march across the sea.

The countdown to war drones on.

The might and fight of the right may have bitten off more than they can chew.

So I encourage you to remove the princely and mentally impoverished presidential imposter.
Remove this vestige of his CIA father from the White House.

George says "I get to decide, not you"

Do not be duped.

YOU GET TO DECIDE
NOT HIM.

They have stolen the name of my grand old party

Do not let them steal the nation.




.....................................................

The Homeland Address:

The concept of a faith based fundamentalist government will attract many devout and religious people.
God bless you all, but it is the oldest and most insidious con game.
America was an experiment to rest authority on the unalienable rights of man and not a religion or king.

This faith based con game demeans religion by elevating it for the manipulation by war lords
and not the lord.

Even in the face of facts there are those that will virtually worship a warlord President and do not know they are duped.

When the duped are proven wrong they retreat to their faith and defend their position.

They retreat to their guns.

When the polite barriers are broken down
when even the law does not deliver justice
all that is left is might makes right.

and that my friends is war.

On our own or foreign shores
The shore where truth and freedom
are dashed by the storm of intolerence.

preserve the truth.

Preserve our nation.




Abrahakman Lincoln

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 03:22 PM

Interesting stuff, GUEST. I found the Opium connections in Afghanistan and N.Korea particularly so. I've also been wondering about the Venezuela thing...Venezuela is one of the biggest oil-producing countries in the World, and I find it odd that it is the middle and upper class people (those who have the most already) who are protesting against Chavez...instead of the poor people (whom one would think would have the most reason to protest an oppressive system, wouldn't one?). Very mysterious. Sounds like someone from outside pulling the strings to me.

I have never seen a modern country with a supposedly democratic system that was more perfectly inclined by its nature and psychology to be taken over from within by a fascist (or, if you prefer, "communist") dictatorship...than is the USA. The USA is, and for a long time has been, a scary place...where "freedom" is talked about endlessly, while being subverted and taken away at the same time by the most extraordinary forms of hypocrisy and media manipulation from the top.

I suspect that there will be one more LARGE and very nasty "terrorist" attack on American soil (only it won't truly be put in motion by the foreign terrorists it will be blamed on, but by someone on the inside), and that will serve as the pretext to allow Mr. Bush and his power structure to do, basically, pretty much what Hitler did in Germany after the burning of the Reichstag. One problem...the destructive capability of corporate America far outreaches that of Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's...they didn't have nuclear weapons, smart bombs, and the logistical ability to strike globally and massively at any nation on Earth...and they were not the only Superpower of their day, but just one of several.

About my prediction for that next attack...I hope I am wrong.

If it happens, I will avoid the USA just as scrupulously as I would have avoided Nazi Germany after 1933, but I wonder...will any corner of the World be safe any more? I live in Canada, and as I've said before, Canada is much too close to the USA. Matter of fact, we're just seen as a branch plant of corporate America, and we will be tolerated as long as we serve the big red, white, and blue machine and do exactly what we are told to do. If not, we will be taken over by quite unsubtle means...whatever it takes to cement total control.

By the way, I will say to you what I would say to anyone who expects to find himself on a battlefield soon...

God be with you. And I would say that to anyone. I value people fully for what they are. Their intrinsic worth is far greater than most of them realize.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 01:39 PM

www.infowars.com

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 01:36 PM

Not fear and not bravado. Panic is what you are probably picking up on. Time is short. 3 one-million bed concentration camps have just been finished...just in time for the invasion of Iraq and the consequential release of bioweapons in the U.S. And meanwhile, public schools are securing entryways so, in the event of another Columbine, the panic button will lock every door. The next time there is a Columbine, hundreds will probably die, and people will be told by the media there is no answer except to give up our guns. In violation of the Second Amendment. And Americans have become so ignorant and corrupt and comfortable, no one will squawk much about giving up their neighbor's guns.

So yeah, there's a bit of panic involved. See, since Sept. 11 I've studied enough to learn that my Democratic Party affiliation was leading to my own destruction. Watch one of the wildlife shows...the Crock guy, one of those. Everything is 'endangered' and 'protected'. Kids are being taught that humans are bad and need to be herded up and placed in compact cities. Meanwhile, the Sierra Club becomes the largest non-governmental land owner in the U.S. And in Austin (my area), the city council grabs land for 'protection', then some new 'findings' come out and the protected land suddenly has a shopping mall on it. My point is, the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the land-grabbers. And Democrats aren't even aware of it. Just like gun-rights people aren't aware the NRA and GWBush are working to deprive us of our right to bear arms.

So when everyone at the national level is violating his or her oath to protect, serve and defend the Constitution, what are you going to do?

You speak out.

And I seem to have the advantage over a lot of you, because once you realize the truth about how you have been manipulated by your leaders...realize it and ADMIT you've been had...then you never have to feel that shame again. You can begin working to change things. Whereas those of you who KNOW something is wrong (why are the Bushes trying to overthrow the democratically-elected President of Venezuela? Why are the Bushes pushing us into an Iraqi war 75% of Americans are against? Why won't the Bushes allow an investigation of Sept. 11? How did they 'find' 90 million half-century-old doses of Smallpox vaccine in France? If we are at war, why are the borders wide open? Why did 'smaller government' GWBush Federalize schools with national testing, Federalize churches with 'faith based initiatives', Federalize local police with Homeland Security?), once you admit both sides of the political spectrum are working to enslave and eradicate you through mis-direction and illegal activities, you never have to look for explanations again. Everything becomes clear when you bite the bullet and acknowledge the fact that our puppet government is serving non-American interests intent of destroying America.

While on the other hand, those of you who refuse to accept the obvious, you have to rationalize a hundred times a day. And the media has to keep lying to you to keep those rationalizations in place. Why were the NORAD jets held on the ground 75 minutes Sept. 11? You won't hear discussion of that on the news...they'll feed you to the gills on the 'sniper' attacks. They'll tell you how to stuff a turkey at Thanksgiving. And if they DO mention the NORAD smoking gun, they'll only tell you the general in charge that day was promoted so he can have more control to prevent another Sept. 11, and you'll go back to sleep.

And it seems to be working, by and large, so yeah, there's a bit of panic. You need to wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Pied Piper
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 07:16 AM

O dear, O dear, O dear.
Another pointless thread.
I wonder if Amos will be providing us with facts to back up his belief in Reincarnation soon?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Troll
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 03:28 AM

Sheer bravado. Whistling in the graveyard.
See how easy it is?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Frances
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 02:09 AM

He doesn't sound very scared to me. Or her.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Troll
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 11:47 PM

You're scared.
You wouldn't be trying so desperatly to get your message out if you weren't; wouldn't be trying so hard to rally support of any kind to your cause- whatever it is- if you weren't scared shitless.
So strap on your pistol and walk your dog and pray to God that you don't get jumpy and blow some poor bastard who's out jogging away 'cause you thought he was one of "them", whoever they are.
Your arguments are of the "potatos are poison 'cause everyone who ate 'em in 1850 is now dead" variety. You string together a batch of marginally related "facts" and come up with your reason for living; a vast conspiracy.
Oh well. Everyone needs a hobby.
Mine's collecting eggcups.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 10:52 PM

Who's worried about being 'found'? I only leave off a handle because someone will refuse to click on the post if they see a name they don't like.

But anyway, this illegitimate government holds no fear for me. With all the talk about the 'Echelon' snooping system and five-time convicted psycho-felon John Poindexter turning over all our information to the Pentagon, none of us is making out of here in one piece. And I'd rather go out speaking what I regard as the truth. Better a bullet in the head tomorrow than 20 years eating rats in a concentration camp. Screw em.

The USA PATRIOT Act is unconstitutional and does NOT have to be obeyed. GWBush does NOT have the power to grab your kids, declare them enemy combatants and execute them on the spot, no matter HOW many Executive Orders he signs. What the hell is wrong with you people? In America, any law which contradicts the Constitution is null and void UPON IT'S PASSAGE.

The last major hurdle to the hundred feudal concerns trying to take over the world right now (big-money concerns like the Sicilian Mafia, the Eurpoean royal families, the Russian mafia, the American bankers and armaments companies...all of which have pooled their assets behind the U.N.), the last major hurdle to world domination by these people is the U.S. Constitution. And all the Constitution does is outline rights...that's all. It doesn't 'give' rights...it just enumerates them. We're born with them. No one can take them. That's what the document says, and it is so absolute and simple in it's statement that it terrifies the people trying to destroy it. They KNOW it is worth fighting and dying for, and the globalists have no core value to equal the Constitution. Money? Plunder? Not good enough. The U.S. Constitution is the greatest document ever conceived by humankind. The people who fight for it are going to make the most formidable army the world has ever seen.

So let them 'find' me and take my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There are HALF A BILLION weapons in private hands in this country, and a LOT of people like me who KNOW our government had a hand in Sept. 11 in order to crush the Constitution. I fully expect to die for what I'm typing right now, but between now and then I'll pass on something to someone that will light some fuse somewhere. America will never fall. Millions and millions of us are too pissed off. And YOU are going to get sucked into the maelstrom eventually, so get over your fear now. Immediately. Without our Constitution, we have nothing. And without it, I don't want to live.

I'll go walk my dog now. The Constitution allows me to move about freely and carry a pistola as I do it, after I've said what I damn well want to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Troll
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 10:19 PM

GUEST, just because you refuse a nickname, do you really think they find you?
And why in the world would they walk up to your door? They can simply wait until you come out to walk the dog and you'll be dead before your survivors hear the gunshot from the sniper a half mile away.
Have a nice day!

troll   ***Boy! Ain't I jolly today.***

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Hrothgar
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 09:02 PM

Troll. Don't feed it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 07:06 PM

Gangs are by and large cowards whether they are cops or military. Put them in a uniform (and nowadays a ski mask) and they'll do a lot under cover of anonymity. Not mass-murder their countrymen though, the way the Bush Company is hoping for. And Kent state was National Guard...not real military. The Twentynine Palms survey has molded U.S. military recruitment and training practices for the past three decades. Not enough psychos in the armed forces, so an attempt has been made to correct that. But still Americans don't test well when asked whether they'd kill their grannies. That's why American troops are overseas and foreign troops are here. Sounds like you're a bit behind the times. Perhaps you should learn Chinese for 'Please cut my throat BEFORE you rape me.'

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 04:31 PM

Hello GUEST, What color is the sky on your planet? A thirty year old survey at a Marine Air Station about shooting other Americans?

You give an order to a Marine and he shoots, or his officer will.

"American troops can't be trusted to fire on Amaericans"... two words... Kent State ( some thirty-two years ago - ain't facts a bitch).

Now as for your delusions about CIA controlled governments and drug induced reductions of your Rights; I find it's more fun to read your hallucinations than to correct you...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 03:47 PM

We wouldn't be fighting American troops. The twentynine palms survey conducted by the military 30 years ago showed that American troops couldn't be trusted to fire on Americans. So now our troops are stationed in 120 nations around the world, and more are being rushed out right now for the manufactured crisis in the Middle East. So the troops engaging American citizens will be foreign mercenaries. What would YOU do if you saw a Pakistani mercenary walking up to your door? Would you protect your family?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 03:18 PM

I fairly much agree with your dark assessment of the CIA, GUEST. And I agree with your dark assessment of America. What are you planning to do about it?

Do you intend to launch another 1775 rebellion and fight it out in the streets with the government's hired guns? Those guys are well trained to kill people like you, and are good at doing it. They have the military's firepower to back them up.

So, I am asking you, what do you actually intend to do?

If it is an "honorable death" you are seeking, well, you have free will and that's your choice, and I won't criticize you for it. I did that in certain other lives...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 02:52 PM

No speculation on this. The CIA-controlled government of this country has created a 'drug menace' in order to steal our rights. And if you roll over and accept it, you deserve whatever you receive.

Weed Watch: The Tampa, Fla., City Council is currently considering passage of an ordinance that would outlaw "drug dealer behavior." Under the proposed ordinance, flagging people down on the street, exchanging packages on the street, or getting in and out of more than one car on the same street would all become behaviors that could get you arrested, according to the Drug Reform Coordination Network. In a recent story on the proposed law, the Tampa Tribune wryly noted that the ordinance would be in sharp contrast to current law, which proscribes that police "must actually see the drug deal happen." Not surprisingly, the ordinance has the backing of the city's police. The Tampa council is expected to vote on the measure Jan. 16. -- J.S.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2003-01-03/pols_naked2.html

That is in a Bush state. Jeb Bush. This is absolute, total tyranny, in our midst right now. And this is just a drop in the bucket. It is all around you, yet people say America is 'the greatest country ever', 'love it or leave it'...this is SOVIET Amerika, people. For Tampa to even CONSIDER this is an abomination.

And to love people like this (the ones who would inflict this kind of tyranny on you) is to hate your children. Even animals protect their young, yet most of America seems intent on embracing rather than facing tyranny the kind of garbage Tampa is going to vote on.   

Buy guns, buy ammo, love your family enough to fight for them. America's 'war on drugs' is nothing but a way to allow total Federal control over the drugs coming into the country, and now they're trying to extend that 'war' to prevent you from even walking down the street. Grow up. Buy guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 01:32 PM

It is the nature of people to defend their established identity, and all the beliefs and opinions which make them what they typically are...and to deny or ridicule beliefs and opionions of a widely differing nature. Politicians take advantage of those tendencies, in order to divide and conquer the public, and they serve the highest bidder.

And so, we all play out the games we are already most familiar with...until those games blow up in our faces or until we die...or until we transform ourselves into more loving beings...whichever comes first. A trul loving being loves regardless of the circumstance, but that can only be done be realizing who you actually are...and who everyone else actually is.

All are well intentioned...according to their own understanding. All are capable of loving and useful conduct...through practicing love. All are also capable of grievous errors in judgement, and all are capable of unwittingly serving destructive forces of command...through giving in to fear.

It is plain to me that I live in a drug-obsessed, drug-pushing, drug dealing society, with a lot of legal drugs and a few illegal ones. It's a tossup as to which set of drugs, legal or illegal, yields the highest profit to the guys at the top. I don't think they much care, as long as the money rolls in. They are blinded by greed. They have no idea what existence is about.

GUEST, if you are fairly much on the mark, I can well understand why you would choose to remain anonymous...

If you're not so much on the mark, well, there are a number of other nightmare scenarios to consider which could also end this society as we know it...severe weather changes, comets, war, disease, planetary shift on its axis, alien invasion, biological warfare, economic collapse, starvation, shortage of pure water, overpopulation...

Take your pick. The bookstores and Internet are absolutely full of it. Ask Art Bell. He seems to be making a good living off such stories.

Nothing intrigues people as much as disaster.

But what does disaster have to do with your growth as a living soul, learning about life and embodying love? It could be an opportunity to demonstrate that love, I suppose, couldn't it?

Why should I obsess about death, when I WILL die anyway, regardless, and when I already HAVE died a few thousand times before this lifetime anyway???

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 01:19 PM

Did Ollie know about the drugs? From the testimony I've read he thought he was trading missiles for money to send to the anti-communist Contra rebels of Nicaragua, in direct despite of the COngress. If you'd told him he was dealing drugs, he'd a been gone from there in a New York minute. Why didn't you TELL him, man??

:>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: leprechaun
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 12:21 PM

As you can see, there are many people on this forum who are just as kooky as GUEST. Perhaps this GUEST should join the club and get a nickname, so as not ot be confused with the other GUESTs. May I suggest Dribbling Idiot?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 12:12 PM

There is nothing lunatic about this thread. Iran-Contra was all about drugs, and the senior Bush ran that show. The CIA imports drugs to America and the Bush family has controlled the CIA for decades now. Calling people names doesn't change that fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 31 Dec 02 - 12:40 PM

I keep telling you people not to feed these lunatic wackoids, they just might follow you home...