PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 06:20 PM

red lion demo pic mentioned above by Jude.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 04:54 PM

A few photos. Click here.

http://www.intlog.demon.co.uk/PEL/indexpage1.htm

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM

A bit of coverage on the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2697287.stm

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: JudeL
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 12:59 PM

Have sent the pic of mudcatters in the Red Lion to pene azul with a list of who's who. I tried to get the names right but if I got the names wrong I apologise. Oh and there's one person, at the back, who's name if I was told I'm sorry but I don't remember.

Notable for their absence are Col K and Micca, who at that point had gone walkabout. Herga Kitty also was at the demo but missed the picture in the pub.

Cheers Jude

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 11:06 AM

There's a shortish article about this in The Times today. You'll find it on this site if you use their search engine and type in "licensing bill".

But much more significant is the Guardian. They published a big picture in the main paper of a gagged musician, pointing to a first class feature in their Arts and Review Section - Stop that fiddling - "No more impromptu gigs, open-mike nights or even singalongs. Can live music survive the new licensing bill, asks Tim Cumming".

Best coverage this has had in the press so far. Kim Howells will be grinding his teeth. And then coming out all wounded innocence and saying how much he loves us - but this article should alert a lot of relevant people to what is wrong, and could actually affect things, I hope and believe. I really believe that we could get an exemption if we keep pushing.

Tim Cummings deserves a round of applause and a round of drinks.

(As for "silence" that was symbolic, and it doesn't matter a toss what actually happened. What matters is that it got us some media coverage - and in any case so far as any press coverage was concerned, the silence was total. Broken only by the supportive honks of passing motorists. I felt like a fireman on strike.)

This calls for another set of faxes to MPs. Especially to MPs who didn't respond to a request to come downand talk about it to the lobby. (http://www.faxyourmp.com/)

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 10:41 AM

I assumed that the silence was supposed to start when Big Ben (the hour bell in the clocktower) struck one. It was the jazz band who carried on playing. I also thought that it was only supposed to be a musical silence, not the full Service of Remembrance sort. After all, I didn't think that a PEL was needed for normal conversation. A few of deliberately DID sing and play up to that point.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Admiral
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 09:01 AM

John Smedley/The Shambles,

Don't be too hard on those who played. Although I made sure that I and a few others were there by 12.55, there was no indication to when the half hours period of silence was supposed to start so I guess most of us stood around chewing the fat with people we don't see very often waiting for the moment which never arrived! The thing that I will say in my defence that I was interviewed by Channel 4 during this time and managed to put the point across although the demo doesn't appear to made the news in any way shape or form - a shame but I guess it was the wrong day! A no-news is good news day would have suited us better!

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 08:02 PM

Now here's de word of de orc...

MPs always say they agree with you, no matter what you say. (This sometimes breaks down when they are talking to several people with different points of view from each other. But they often have ways of giving all of them the impression they are really on their side. It's a real gift.)

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: stevetheORC
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 07:18 PM

McGrath we told you dem bones wus dangerus wepuns you is a dangerus looking individule :-)))

We Orc's now this to be true.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:28 PM

This from John Smedley

Further to Terry's account of today's gathering. . .
I went with five other people from around west Kent, and our estimate
agrees with Terry's copper's, ie around 500 people present.   With so many familiar faces, I reckon that about 75% of the crowd were folkies, with a good smattering of jazzers, and a few 'the rest'.   
Despite being a 'silent' protest, a few folkie musos were tempted to play. I've always said that the problem with folk musicians is not getting them to play - it's getting them to stop playing!

My lot didn't stay to lobby our MP, as he's told us he's on our side.   (Well he would be - he's a Tory...) It was a pleasant, typically English, gathering - good-humoured and well-behaved.

Everyone's thanks should go to Caroline Kraabel, whose idea it was, and who welcomed and handed out 'gags' to everyone. And - a rare event in January - the sun shone on us all, proving the rightness of our case.

John Smedley

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Micca
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:27 PM

Shambles, no Luck with Tony Banks(my MP) he wasnt available ,but I will write to him again anyway, and voice my concerns to him, I hope to go back and see him face to face as I only live a tube ride away!!

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:26 PM

Five or six hundred hundred of us, and a fair amount of press, and telly - whether it gets in the media is of course entirely another matter.

Lots of Mudcatters in evidence, especially in the contingent which sloped off from the lobby queue to carry out some Direct Action in the Red Lion pub across the road.

This consisted of drinking lots of beer and singing and playing until at last the landlady came out and said that though she was enjoying it and so were the other customers, she couldn't risk having more than two people singing or playing, otr she mightb lose her licence. Which was good, because it helped make the point about how bloody silly even the present system is, let alone the proposed one.

I called in to lobby my MP. As I had anticipated, the police insisted on taking my guitar in its case into custody while I was in the building - but, more surprisingly, they also insisted on holding on to my electronic tuner, and, even more bizarrely, my wooden bones. I'm not too sure what they thought I might have done with them. (Apart from playing them, I suppose.) I never got to see my MP, but he'll get another fax in his letter tray tomorrow.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:21 PM

This from Terry Redmond

The protest seemed to go pretty well, Police officers I spoke too estimated the attendance at around 500, no problems and a few press. A lot of attention paid , not surprisingly, to a young lady championing the cause of Cabaret and demonstrating amply why just 2 in a bar was never a good idea.

Doc Rowe buzzing around and getting video footage, all classes of music represented from Classic through Jazz, Rock, Folk and New Age, even one chap with a conductors baton. (Very few took any notice....)

Then on to the House to lobby MP's which is where I fell foul of technology and failed to pass the metal detectors...only afterwards realising that it was the metal threads in the waistcoat that stopped me......

So if anyone can fill in on the numbers of MP's who did come down and take on board the concerns voiced I'd be very interested.

However having gone outside I was able to talk off the record to some BBC reps, a couple of the clerical staff of the House and some of the Police. None were aware of how wide sweeping and badly worded the Bill was nor how many times the Minister has lied to or misled the Press.

The Police officers who did stop and chat were amused at the thought of attempting to 'run in' the kinds of numbers that were represented and could not envisage any force committing the amount of manpower that would be required.

Any senior police officer who could comment? I'm sure that just as there are Performing Lawyers we must have Singing Police

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:07 PM

Totally forgotten in the hysteria .. let's see what the 10pm news brings?

Our MP Peter Bottomley met us at Victoria and excorted all the way to Parliament Sq.,, then sang (an excrable song it has to be said!!) to waiting press people!!

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: vectis
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:37 PM

No coverage seen on Channel 4. I missed the 6pm News because I was working late. Was there anything on the demo or did it get totally forgotten in the hysteria over Iraq?

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 07:26 AM

Hope it all goes well,

If like me you were unable to get up to London, and would like to be involved, don't forget the sing in' demo at Fleetwood Lancashire on Thursday 30th Jan - all day in the pub - sing, dance, play - get people to sign the petition, spread the word etc.... BBC Radio Lancashire will be there.

More Information


cheers - Pete

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:20 AM

Just about to get the train .. the suns shining .. and the local press are actually going to send along a photographer .. yippee after the bastards failed miserably to put anything in any of the three local publications...

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Col K
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 11:17 PM

See you all there, I'm coming down from Lancashire so lets have plenty of others there.
Col

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 07:21 PM

Last call ...

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 03:27 PM

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 03:04 PM

Hi y'all,

The demo is still going ahead .. altho' I gather that media attention will inevitably be on Anit-War protesters also setting up a permanent vigil.

There will be Musicians Union stewards in the vicinity of westminster underground to advise people.

So, turn up, converge and let's do it!!

PS. Anyone got a Mudcat rendezvous plan / banner?

I'm with the WORTHING contingent.
HIlle
PS: almost but not quite insane after a week of Celine Dion /Barbra Streisand and Dean Martin

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 02:54 PM

Is the demo still going ahead?

and if it is what are the final arrangements??

cheers

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 11:47 AM

I suspect it will follow on the lines of this from Dr Howells, in The Stage

I am grateful to The Stage for giving me the opportunity to explode some of the urban myths that are circulating about how the government's reforms of the licensing system will affect live performances. We have consulted artists and performers in drawing up the licensing bill and we are listening to people's concerns.

The last thing that any of us would want to do is threaten the traditions of performance that have been at the very heart of our nation's cultural life for hundreds of years. There is concern that the new legislation will make staging performances prohibitively expensive. In fact, the opposite is the case. The current licensing system discourages premises from staging performances, the cost of entertainment licences in many areas is ridiculously high and many local authorities attach unnecessary conditions to the licences.

Under the new system, the cost of a premises licence authorising three licensable activities will be the same as that of one. For example, any pub that applies for permission to sell alcohol can apply to stage entertainment at the same time at no extra charge. We currently expect premises licence applications to cost between £100 and £500 (a one-off fee) with an annual charge of £50 to £150. The fee for a premises licence will be the same whether the applicant seeks permission to sell alcohol only or to have regulated entertainment as well. Under the existing system, premises licence applications can cost up to £20,000 per annum, depending on location. So the bill can represent an enormous reduction in the cost of obtaining a public entertainment licence for live performances.

We will also be issuing guidance alongside the bill that will make it clear that any conditions attached to licences must be tailored to the needs of the particular premises. The issuing of swathes of unnecessary and irrelevant conditions will become a thing of the past. Some artists are concerned that the bill makes it an offence to carry out a performance without a licence and that the potential punishments are a prison sentence of up to six months or a fine of up to £20,000.

It is understandable that some people find these penalties intimidating but I must stress that these are maximum penalties and, as with all offences, the courts would, on any conviction, decide the appropriate punishments depending on the facts of the case. Where, for example, the public have been put in danger, such maximum punishment may be appropriate. What is more, the bill includes a specific defence of due diligence because this bill is about deregulation, not incarceration.

I realise that some people believe a licence should not be required for unamplified music as existing legislation provides sufficient safeguards. However, I do not accept that certain types of music, such as acoustic folk music, are never noisy and should therefore be excluded from the new regime.

It is the government's responsibility to balance the needs of performers, organisers, businesses, residents and customers. Our reform proposals are designed to be proactive, not reactive.

The bill will bring a less formal system for temporary activities. Under the new regime, anyone aged 18 or over can hold up to five of these per year, or 50 if they are a personal licence holder, under the authority of a temporary event notice. Each event can last up to 72 hours and up to five events can be held at one premises in any year, although no more than 499 people can be on the premises at the same time. To carry on a permitted temporary activity only a simple notification to the licensing authority and the police and a small fee of around £20 is required.

Some of the more unhelpful rumours that have been circulating (and which I see everyday in correspondence from members of parliament writing on behalf of concerned constituents) relate to live music performances that might be licensable under the new regime. I therefore categorically state that the following will not be licensable:

1) church bell ringers practising n the testing of equipment in a music shop

2) studio recording sessions n rehearsals at a practice studio or in a private house (to which the general public are not admitted)

3) school concerts where the general public are not admitted n music lessons

4) singing 'happy birthday' in a restaurant

5) musicians paid to perform at a private party - including a wedding - for which those attending are not charged and to which the general public are not admitted.

I have sought here to address the most ridiculous claims made by those who purport to be campaigning on behalf of musicians but who are in fact diverting them from the more realistic and positive aspects of the bill.

I am also aware that there is a strong feeling that our plans to remove the exemptions for performances held in churches outside Greater London but not connected with a religious service or event will have a negative impact on the national music scene. Again, I would like to reassure you that we have made a commitment to reconsider our position on the licensing of churches and that we will announce our conclusions as soon as possible.

I believe that the reforms of the licensing bill will give the arts in England a new lease of life rather than be its death knell, as some are suggesting. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport is of course responsible for the arts as well as alcohol licensing legislation and we are not in the business of sacrificing one to achieve the aims of another.

I can assure you that we continue to have both performers and their audiences at the forefront of our minds as we take the bill through the Houses of Parliament.

Dr Kim Howells is parliamentary under-secretary at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 11:02 AM

If there is a 'Monday document'it will almost certainly be a rehash of the one the MU were given. We could probably have a reply ready to hand in. Have the MU prepared a response yet?

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 10:11 AM

Has anyone got some bare wires to trail through the Commons?

I hear Dr Howells is going to produce a document for Monday, which claims we are all being misled...............

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Folkiedave
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 03:42 PM

So sorry I can't make it............

And since I can't play or sing anything I would have been a perfect protester....

Dave

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 02:45 PM

Any chance of taking along a safe 'locked ' piano?

For mobile DEMO purposes, perhaps a cardboard one, with a big key?

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:51 PM

I'm coming and so's Paul, he's taken the day off work. A couple more friends are also currently trying to arrange time off to come

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: vectis
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:16 PM

Now that I've got to see.

Cracking idea Sally. One tape deck. A lorry load of mobile speakers going full blast.
You lot gagged and silent in the middle of Parliament Square.
If you've got the wattage to break windows you might, just might get the point across.
Make sure the media are made aware that recorded music and mobile music will be legal but acoustic music won't be.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Admiral
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 11:08 AM

That's great Sally! And Kim Howells can mime being Culture Secretary!

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: SallyM
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 10:01 AM

A spark of inspiration ! - to reinforce this ridiculous PEL situation (and bring it to the top again). How about we also bring along tape recorders and play - legal - taped music which we could mime to (it also happens to be the London Mime Festival this week !).

See you there on Monday !
S.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: GUEST,Hille (in an Internet cafe in Malaga)
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 09:26 AM

Ola!

See you all at the demo )maybe we should bring placards to represent those who can´t get ther)

BTW ... Costa del Sol is scary visaion of life without live music ... suffered all this week (sadly, not in irony) just yukky Brit bars with C&W or Barbra Streisand .... get me out of here!!! Bingo and pub quizzes and wide screen Sky football matches do not a cultural experience make!!

Adios Amigos
Hille
xxx

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Admiral
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 09:20 AM

Good On You Fiddler - We''ll get you there yet! Just to wind you up a little further (and if it doesn't you, it sure as hell does me!) I've just read that the Art Council is to award a rescue package of 'millions of pounds' to the English National Opera - on top of the £15 million grant that it is already to get this year and has thrown away in a fit of bad management. And all that at the same time that the indigenous Music and Dance of these Islands is being at best ignored and at worse, trampled into the ground, apparently to make more money (would that be for the Arts people to throw at Opera?)

Excuse me, I'm just going to spit!

Tony

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: GUEST,Jane Bird
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 06:20 AM

I don't think we can afford to appear to do nothing on this issue, simply because of our fears that we won't be noticed.

This legislation deserves to be seriously ammended, as it's been so appaulingly badly drafted! Once I'd finally waded through the Bill, I couldn't believe it!

Jane

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: fiddler
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:29 AM

I know this is the petition line but .....

I'm not being despondent but what more can we do!

The Demo sadly is basically flawed now as Hans Blix (not sure on spelling)is reporting back to the UN that day and George Bush will be pushing for us to support him in a war bid! The international posturing has already begun.

SO - Who is going to be interested in a group of (as the public know us) tax fiddling musicians who play in pubs and wierdo folkies who are not part of the real world and include Morris Dancers? The whole of this is overshadowed by the middle east primarily the gulf situation, which do I agree is very important.

Subsequent to this Kim Howells can get away with almost defamatory comments about the MU and others of us, and seems quite happy to suggest that lawyers specialised in the field (who perhaps stand to make a lot of money out of the badly formatted bill) are misinterpreting it. I think it is good to have a controversial culture minister but I would feel happier if he understood what he was talking about, he does seem to be developing the knack of inserting large foot in to mouth on a regular basis.

The Magistrates are not happy about moving the control of liquor licencing to the LAs and see many problems arising. The Govt is not listening to them either - To busy in the middle east.

I 'hope and pray' for a good meet on 27th - I will be there if I can, but currently can't, after keeping the date free for weeks! So back to line two - Where can we go form here - how can we interest the public and MPs in a piece of badly drafted legislation which is far less headline grabbing than XX thousand troops from UK and America being sent out to the middle east with no socks!!!

BTW on a lighter note NO I don't hold with us putting a topless model on the front of the Sun saying I can't take my clothes off for you anymore - even though it might work :-)

I've been really boring and bad and put this on the demo thread too, I think we have got to start thinking hard or we will loose!

A

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 01:48 PM

No need for an appointment. Just leave your name and your constituency details at the door when you call, and they send a message

Of course if you really want to see him or her it might be polite to indicate in advance. faxyourmp.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: fiddler
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 01:43 PM

Looks like I'm out of it I'm afraid

Been sick all week so far and am trying even to crawl out of a gig on Friday!
The upshot is I am called to work and clients - flat out next week - no time to be ill in this world.

Will still get there is I can but if we are only allowed 150 (ish) then I assume the demo will be full.


If I don't make it I will be with you in spirit I am still trying to arrange it! very p*ssed off

A

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Admiral
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 11:36 AM

Now I'm getting confused, I thought that this was going to be a simple protest! Does one have to make an appointment to lobby ones MP? And if so, how does one go about that?

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jan 03 - 08:28 PM

Do they have any rules against taking musical instruments into the House of Commons when you are lobbying? I strongly suspect they do, in case people wrap them round an MP's head.

Not that that matters - if people are refused admission because they have an instrument, it adds to the theatre and the symbolism.

I'd have hoped that some friendly MP might have been able to book a room in the House of Commons for a meeting after.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jan 03 - 07:59 PM

Hello fellow music protesters
Please excuse the delay in sending this out, I was waiting for it to become clear what would be happening on Monday 27 Jan.

I went (with MU representatives) to meet the security people at the Houses of Parliament and was told that they allow a maximum of 150 protesters in Parliament Square, on the strip of pavement directly opposite the Parliament building.

The rest of Parliament Square is under the jurisdiction of the Greater London Authority, and so I asked them for permission to use it for our peaceful protest - I haven't heard back from them, but was told when I first called them that they basically NEVER allow people to use Parliament Square.

The MU considered hiring a hall for us to meet in, but decided against it on cost grounds and because it would have reduced our visibility.

Also, there is a group of antiwar protesters currently (tuesday) occupying the usable strip of pavement on Parliament Square; they may still be there on Monday (and I wish them every success).

However, we do all have the right to lobby our MPs on the days that Parliament is sitting, which includes next Monday. They sit from 2:30 but we can start queueing up to lobby them earlier (from 1:00, say), at St. Stephen's Entrance to the Houses of Parliament (on St. Margaret's St.) and along St. Margaret St./Old Palace Yard and westward towards Lambeth Bridge - we can queue several deep as long as we don't obstruct the pavement completely, so we will be quite visible.

We can have placards but we must leave them outside when we are let in and pick them up when we come out again (I'm thinking of one that says "no war; no war on music" - other obvious ones would be "the day the music died" or 'the sound of silence' - if you're coming from outside London, consider having a sign that says so, to emphasise the widespread concerns about this bill).

I understand that there have been queues to lobby that stretched all the way to Lambeth Bridge, across the bridge and along the embankment on the other side! When/if you get in to the central lobby (the first 200 or so generally get in), you fill in your MPs name OR the name of a relevant minister (in this case Tessa Jowell and Kim Howells) on a green card and they come and hear what you have to say.

You can access a copy of the bill on www.publications.parliament.uk. It's particularly important to get Labour MPs to read the bill for themselves, because they've been told that it will make things better for musicians - tell them to check out Schedule 1, and parts 134-137, 170-172, 177 and 193.

At the moment, it seems that what is likely to happen is that a small number of protesters will be in Parliament Square at 1:00 for a possible photocall (there has been a press release sent to TV, papers etc) while most protesters will be at St. Stephen's entrance and along the pavement from it (which we hope will also get press coverage).

There will be stewards present from the Musicians Union, easily identifiable - including one at Wetsminster tube station - they will be able to tell you if there is any last minute change of plan.

Please bring your instrument and dress the part, weather permitting - I will be bringing some surgical masks with black "x"s on them, made with electrical tape - feel free to do likewise. It should still be possible to make an impression.

Please pass this message on!
Thanks, Caroline Kraabel
020 7237 1564

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: breezy
Date: 21 Jan 03 - 07:51 PM

refesh where and when we meet please.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: The Admiral
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 03:49 AM

Just keeping this thread 'live'. I've booked the day off work and have been given some surgical masks by a nurse friend of mine so I'll be there along with one two others. Even if you can't make it, encourage others to turn out. If you think it doesn't concern you, think again, this is a basic fundamental human right that is at risk. Even if the PEL fee turns out to be achievable by the pub not all pubs are considered to be suitable without considerable building work and yet these same rooms are considered entirely suitable to be packed by football fans screaming at a television set! I have never attended a protest before but this time I feel I have stand on my hind legs and wave my paws about.
The on line petition is now over 42,000 and still climbing, lets back it up with a good turn out on the 27th.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 03 - 04:13 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: GUEST,rock chick
Date: 19 Jan 03 - 10:58 AM

Will do my best to make it, lets hope the turn out is good.

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 07:56 PM

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 08:06 PM

At a meeting locally tonight - we discussed the demo and our imput. We resolved that as this is a national campaign and is being organised as a "silent" campaign we should respect that. SO absolute silence everyone .. but we are getting our local press along to see us off at the Railway Station (phor's and then following it up (once the profile has been raised nationally with our own local day of action.

However, we did decide though that big blow up hammers to "silence" any one daring to make a sound was a good bet though!

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 06:07 PM

Train from Worthing along South Coast (Littlehampton - Victoria) meet my house 9.30 prompt or Worthing Railway Station 10.00am for press photos

NB: Group Travel discounts apply (1/3rd off) for 10 or more ...

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: fiddler
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 05:39 PM

Train from REading I'm afraid - anyone not want to drive in London I can sor tout free parking!

My howse!

A

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Nemesis
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 02:06 PM

Anyone else travelling on the day could offer lifts?

Subject: RE: PEL: DEMO 27 JANUARY 2003
From: Col K
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 02:05 PM

Seeing my MP tomorrow at his local surgery will try to convince him to sign EDM 331
I will try to come to London on the 27th but it it is a long way and expensive from Lancashire but it is very important that we have a good turnout.
Col K