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BS: Tyranny?

GUEST 09 Jan 03 - 06:46 PM
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Subject: BS: Is This Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:46 PM

NO MORE RIGHTS

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the government can hold U.S. citizens as enemy combatants during wartime without the constitutional protections afforded Americans in criminal prosecutions....

YOU ARE NEXT

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld announced yesterday he has given new power to the nation's covert warriors to KILL and capture al Qaeda operatives and OTHER TERRORISTS...

DOCUMENTED U.S. GOVERNMENT TERRORISM ON AMERICAN SOIL

Jacksonville, Fla., police arrested a soldier Saturday after finding him armed, wearing black clothes and leaving a power plant where he allegedly left an explosive....

VEHICLE TO BE USED AGAINST YOU

"Once this vehicle comes on the scene, we want everyone to know that we mean business," Germaine Fuller, the director of the project that created it, told Reuters at a news conference featuring a marching color guard and a military band playing patriotic songs such as "God Bless America."

CONCENTRATION CAMPS WAITING FOR YOU

FEMA, the federal agency charged with disaster preparedness, is engaged in a crash effort to prepare for multiple mass destruction attacks on U.S. cities - including the creation of sprawling temporary cities to handle millions of displaced persons, NewsMax has learned. ...

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(It's all over but the crying, people. The legal framework to imprison you for ANYTHING is in place. The camps are built, the licenses to kill have been issued. There will be another government-sponsored 'terrorist' attack, and you will be expected to submit to the foreign troops brought in to 'help' us. Buy guns.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 07:14 PM

> Nora F. Crow
> Department of English
> Smith College
>
> 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the land,
> not a critic was stirring, for stirring was banned.
> A thousand brown prisoners, snug in their cells,
> all held without charges or tinsel or bells;
> and mamma was wrapped in the national flag,
> while we sang "Where there's never a boast or a brag."
>
> When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
> I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.
> Away to the TV I flew like a flash;
> I then watched "Survivor" and reruns of "Mash."
> The fireworks, exploding above the new snow,
> gave a luster of objects to people below.
> When what saw my wondering eyes in the flashes:
> a miniature George Bush and eight tiny fascists!
> Their jerseys were blue and said "WORLD DOMINATION";
> I knew right away this was not just claymation.
> More rapid than eagles the warlords they came,
> as the little Bush whistled and called them by name:
> "Now, Daschle! now, Ashcroft! Now Strom, don't relent!
> On, Poindexter, Rumsfeld! on Henry and Trent!
> To the top of the globe, while the crowd's at the mall,
> now bomb away, bomb away, bomb away all!"
> His sack had a war game for each girl and boy;
> his pocket, four billion from just Illinois.
> Far up on his high seat the driver did mount,
> with more massive weapons than Kofi could count.
>
> And then, I heard sounds from away off somewhere,
> the booming of bombs that were bursting in air.
> As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
> down the chimney old Dick Cheney came with a bound.
> He said not a word, nor disclosed his location;
> he wiretapped my house in the name of the nation.
> Then holding the strings of his little Bush puppet,
> he went to the chimney and quickly rose up it.
> The sleigh was still running, but Dick didn't hurry;
> gas guzzlers, it seemed, were no longer a worry.
> He popped the champagne and exclaimed as he served it,
> "The world is now ours, and GOD DAMN, we deserve it!"

The Smar5tTruck link given above should go to http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/07/army.truck.reut/index.html

A
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 07:21 PM

Please note the followinig alterations:

1. The "Concentration Camp" story is about FEMA preparations for housing emergencvy victimns in large numbers in the event of an attack.

2. The Super Dangerous Truck is a military vehicle, not in production.

3. The Terrorist On American Soil was a lone Army guy who was a bit of a nutball and placed a half-stick of dynamite charge under a power substation tower; not so nutso that he didn't realize he could get hurt playing with that shit, and threw the battery away.

I stopped checking references after three strikes.

Mental capabilities suffering from field distortion??

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 07:53 PM

This is what the movie 'Eyes Wide Shut' deals with. The people planning to kill your family don't even have to hide their intentions. It is too heinous for you to believe. The proof is everywhere you look, but you don't even see it.

In that movie, by the way, the female lead was tortured as a child, in a program called MKUltra. Traumatized to the point of personality fragmentation, where the new personality created is then programmed to carry out missions. Like in 'The Manchurian Candidate'. In the real world of G. Bush Sr's CIA, the tortured children are used as prostitutes, drug runners, killers. The personality Kidman tries to suppress in the movie is her 'prostitute' personality, which people who know the triggers are able to activate.

But if you can't believe Federal courts SAYING you have no rights, you certainly couldn't believe in the U.S. government's continuation of Joseph Mengele's experimentation. Eyes wide shut.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 07:55 PM

And the truck fires rubber bullets. It ain't for combat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:48 PM

Yep. There's a pack of black helicopters flying over me right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 02:07 PM

Check out some of the videos here:

www.infowars.com

Videos of the 'black helicopters'. You've been conditioned (if you are joking about this) to think black helicopters don't exist. Ten years of media debunking 'black helicopter kooks'. Well, there is video of raids which took place in Texas...Alice, Texas...other places. The Feds rent some old factory building and do an 'assault drill' on the place in the dead of night. They don't tell the locals, so in addition to getting the practice hours under their belts, they get the added boon of terrorizing the locals. So if you're joking about black helicopters, do some research. If you can afford a computer, you can afford filmed evidence of black helicopter exercises.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 02:10 PM

All helicopters look like black dots in the sky when they're far away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 02:16 PM

The truck fires whatever the current module and munitions load is -- the whole point of the truck, which is a one-off prototype, is that it is modular.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 02:45 PM

I cannot reach the page with the truck for some reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 02:52 PM

Short brief, LH:

"SmarTruck II"
• Modified platform of Chevrolet Silverado pickup
• V-8 engine, 350 horsepower
• Instead of truck bed, stainless steel interchangeable boxes that can contain anything from small missile and launcher system or communication and surveillance systems.
• Vehicle could also carry unmanned dronelike aircraft.
• Cab houses 3-D mapping system and communication system dubbed 'hacker in a box' that could monitor e-mail in area, send e-mail or destroy enemy communication system.
• Prototype cost: Between $500,000 and $1 million.

Source: Reuters


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:16 PM

Flamer feeding time!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:33 PM

Geez Doug...you see flamers everywhere. The SmarTruck is a crowd control device. It's not a hardened military vehicle...it's a multi-purpose vehicle for domestic use. It'll move through your neighborhood, monitor this and that and shoot rubber bullets at crowds of 'possible al Qeada' congregated at the local McDonalds. In case it has escaped your attention, we are living in a tyranny in the U.S. 'There are none so enslaved as those who believe themselves to be free'. Our cops are being militarized, and the Homeland Security Act just created a Gestapo, a national police. Rumsfeld has just given licenses to kill to American military...kill 'other terrorists', which is you and me. Carte blanche license to kill. And now, the general who held the NORAD interceptor jets on the ground Sept. 11 has been promoted to supreme commander of NORTHCOM. The U.S. military now claims all of North America. Well I don't want all of North America. I just want us to get back to sane foreign policy. Pay a fair market price for oil and skip the wars. Let the poverty-stricken fundamentalists build schools to educate their way out of their cycle of poverty while we in the U.S. keep on as we were. But you seem to have bought into this 'need for perpetual war'. Get the soap suds out of your head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:51 PM

Right now, the truck is nothing but a prototype.

Excuse me if I don't think the sky is falling just yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 05:12 PM

It's no prototype. They only show it to you today because you'll see thousands tomorrow. Then they can say 'what's the problem, we TOLD you about it.' Our government sprayed us with Sarin nerve gas. Story a couple months ago. The U.S. govt. sprayed us with Sarin years ago, just like that 'evil doer' Saddam did to his people. So if our govt admitted they sprayed us, it's because they're setting PRECEDENT. When the next attack of airbornes comes, they'll say 'what's the problem, we TOLD you about it.'

Well, if the 'prototype' was unveiled with a brass band, there is a fleet of them ready to roll. And we don't need these things cruising the streets of America. Period. Unless there is some NEED for them we don't know about. What do our leaders have in mind for us that is so terrible they need to build concentration camps and roll over us with Robotrucks? The sky HAS fallen, but some people just don't want to admit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 05:48 PM

Yeah, okay, whatever. Have a nice weekend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 05:52 PM

You too. Let those trucks have the right-of-way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 05:53 PM

According to Reuters, January 7, 2003:

"The military said it has no plans to produce the truck any time soon, although Bran Ferren, a designer of SmarTruck II, said that if an order came through it could be put in production in a year."


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 07:07 PM

This article talks about what our Gov. has exposed people to.
deep black lies
Peace, Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 07:27 PM

Another link to some info on black helicopters, but there is a ton of them out there by searching, anyway here is one-totse/conspiracy/black helicopters
Peace,Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 09:45 PM

If you guys really believe what you're saying about the destruction of human rights, WHY THE HELL are you still posting on an easily traceable Internet forum and making yourselves obvious targets?!?
Honestly, people, you can't be taken seriously in a forum like this for the simple reason that if you were right, you'd never be heard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Troll
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 10:59 PM

Lurker, now there you go again. Introducing logical thought into a thread. I'd have thought that your stay at the Neal Young Ctr, would have cured you of such nonsense.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Troll
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:03 PM

Lurker, they are allowed to be heard. After all, they are strident and shrill and, above all, not very believable
So they are allowed to spread their message. The masses (us) read it and laugh over the absurdity of their allegations. This way, if any meaningful info ever got out by mistake, we'ed be primed to think that it was just more of the same old "chicken little".
You will notice that nearly all of these posts can be readily explained if we look at the sources ourselves and don't slavishly accept the senders interpretation of the facts. The rest are non-falsifyable statements of the "I was abducted by elvis clone" type.
If you try to point out any falacy, you are told that your mind has been clouded and you cannot be expected to see the truth.
You've been brainwashed,
The last time they washed MY brain, I think they left me on the "spin cycle" too long.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:42 PM

The flaming guest is being paid to do what he's doing... he turned down the sniper position, even though he was amoung the first applicants... something about the safety issues I guess... nice handling job there 'cats! ... here in our little oasis of clarity and contentment! Meow...


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:25 AM

Come on, troll. Do you realize how many people are out there chatting on the Internet, and saying "subversive" things, and how many sites there are saying subversive things, and how many agents would have to be employed full time to track them all down...and then what? No, I am not too worried yet. Besides, I live in a hut in Botswana. :-)

Furthermore, as long as they can keep the majority of the American public befuddled, lobotomized, and umbillically connected to their babbling TV's, I don't think they really care about the rest of us. America's foreign policy certainly doesn't indicate that they do. Not in the least. Pal, you may just be living in the most self-absorbed nation in the history of the world, with the possible exception of North Korea.

Blair is advancing one of the most unpopular courses of political action in British history, and he just keeps plowing ahead. I wonder how much they are paying him? Or...perhaps he has made a pact with the devil, and can't get out now without being flayed alive by hundreds of little red demons. (*wink)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 02:02 AM

Our government terrorists are so busy running their bluffs on clueless people, that I'm SAFER speaking out than the clueless ones are. I've made my position known, and my mind obviously can't go back to the old delusional way of thinking, so rather than come after me the govt. will better utilize it's time keeping all the sleepwalkers sedated. Meanwhile, I live in Texas and have always known there was no back door out of the Alamo, so come and get me. But that wouldn't be too cost effective. Have to trace me, spend a couple days surveilling me and set up a plan of attack, shoot me and lose an officer in the process, then try to explain to my neighbors that when I wasn't walking the dog I was working for al Qeada (an explanation which would just wake up ten more people). Nah, there's no downside to speaking up about this tyranny. The globalists do it...they speak about their tyranny constantly. They mock us with their brazeness. They tell us about their plans daily, and you can see them doing it, if you know how to interpret the news. Most people are just too lazy to make the switch, though. The dream is easier. But it's hard work for the government. I woke up and I'm never going back. I can't go back in good conscience. I'd be a traitor to myself and my country. Whereas the government has to lie to the sleepers constantly...endless lies....hide the truth, admit it only when you have to, foreshadow a bit so the next attack will drive them into your arms. What a task.

But sure, someday all dissent will be crushed. Maybe. They have FEMA cutoff boxes in all radio and TV stations licensed by the FCC now, and a couple months ago there was an 'attack' against 7 of the 13 backbone servers that power the internet. So someday, when our govt. nukes Houston or L.A. or New York, the internet will go down, and we'll be silenced. Meanwhile, why should they bother when so many citizens are willing to go to so much trouble to avoid the obvious. They have the psychology of this thing figured out. Except for the internet. And they CAN'T crash it right now, because that would put the collapse of the American economy ahead of schedule. So use the thing while you can. They're after the First Amendment, and when the internet goes, so does freedom of speech.

"The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it." -- Joseph Mengele


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 12:53 PM

Alright, you're perfectly safe from the feds. Why worry so much then? The Internet really makes things much easier for a totalitarian goverment. If they destroy it, they'll lose their best tool for monitoring and control. And this ranting about destroying the American economy? Why do you think that anyone who wanted to rule tha nation would destroy its most valuable asset? A strong economy makes the country more worth owning and much easier to control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:00 PM

Another thing a few of my friends and I were talking about the other day is the small pox vaccine. Is this also a way of getting to the poor and lower class?
Don't worry about dying if you take the shot, worry about who can't afford it. Those are the people targeted for death when the US government releases the virus upon it's own people.
Another step toward world domination and population control.
Scary to even think about it.
Peace, Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:22 PM

Lurker, do you really think they want to allow this?...I CAN PROVE G.W. BUSH KNEW THE SEPT. 11 ATTACKS WERE COMING! SUE ME IF I AM LYING!

The reason I personally worry is because I know what kind of country the next generation of Americans will inherit. It's just not acceptable. The Constitution and Bill of Rights will be gone in 10 years if people don't act NOW.

And our most valuable asset has already been destroyed. 85% of U.S. manufacturing has gone overseas over the past 30 years. And our current junta in the White House does nothing but suck the Treasury, with every new Executive Order and bill signed. We're not manufacturing, and we're spending. Bankruptcy is around the corner. And we are in debt to the World Bank. The Great Lakes, for example...did you know they were used as collateral for a World Bank loan? A loan we didn't need, but which our govt. took out anyway, just so the U.N. can eventually put troops on the lakes to take control when we default on the loan?

The totalitarian world government which is coming (just the final phase of hundreds of years of consolidations and mergers) cannot allow freedom. That's how oppressive governments survive...through compartmentalization and 'need to know basis'. So the internet will be denied ordinary people. And the new feudal overlords will smirk at the memory of the last generation of Americans who had the WHOLE PLAN laid out in front of them but preferred to do nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 03:49 PM

I CAN PROVE G.W. BUSH KNEW THE SEPT. 11 ATTACKS WERE COMING! SUE ME IF I AM LYING! Reminds me of the National Enquirer/Globe/Star/whatever headline I saw: "Life After Death- GUARANTEED!" A guaranty implies paying up if the guarantee is invalid. If they are wrong, and there is no life after death there is no one to pay up.

But you say you can 'prove' Bush knew. Proof is irrefutable, proof is PROOF. Just how do you propose to PROVE Bush knew? I am no fan of Bush- far from it. But I neither believe in nor share your kind of anxiety. You are yelling that the sky is falling and except for 'BUY GUNS', which admonition is shortsighted and silly at best and dangerous at worst. To add fuel to your paranoia, how are we to know whether or not YOU are a gov'mint agint and trying to kill as many hapless people as you can by hysterically advising us to buy guns as though you/we actually believed they had any deterrent effect against tanks, gases, bio weapons?

The Great Lakes, for example...did you know they were used as collateral for a World Bank loan? Yep. This one is a real worry, all right. If we default on our loan agreement, a furrin gov'mint is going to send its operatives over here and take over the Great Lakes. And because we are such a nation of law and order, we're going to sit here and let them do whatever they wish- control our shipping and pleasure crafts, embargo our commmercial activities, spread out and attack us across the country- and just wring our hands. For pete's sake, GUEST, any country in which a physical entity resides is in the drivers seat, so to speak.

I laugh, sir. I laugh in your face. And yes, I have been following your links. YOU are building a mountain of air from a small boulder indeed.

Elva Bontrager


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 12:27 PM

With just the public sources available on the internet, I could present a case to any grand jury in the country and have them vote to go to trial for 'prior knowledge' against GWBush for the September 11 attacks. The evidence is so overwhelming, I could get any grand jury to vote to go to trial for, minimum, negligent homicide, because Bush did nothing to stop the attacks. And I could convince half the grand juries Bush had a hand in carrying out the attacks.

There is a standard-operating-procedure for situations where airplanes go off-course over the U.S. Golfer Payne Stewart's plane depressurized a few years back, and everyone on board lost consciousness. That plane had a military interceptor jet alongside it in 12 minutes, ready to shoot it down if it threatened a populated area.

On Sept. 11 the same system was set up and, according to Air Force releases on Sept. 10, fully-functional. Then, 4 large jetliners went off-course simultaneously. Over the most populous area of the nation. The FAA immediately grounded and re-routed all air traffic out of the corridors involved...cleared the air lanes for military aircraft.

But no interceptors were launched. Standing orders to scramble under those circumstances, but no jets took off. Orders had to be OVERRIDDEN for that to occur. Generals Richard Myers and Ralph E. Eberhart were in command of the system that day. And it was Eberhart who was the man at the board when it happened. So either HE over-rode the standing intercept order, or his boss did. His boss is GWBush.

Since Sept. 11, Eberhart was promoted by Bush to Supreme Commander of NORTHCOM, the new military entity which (the U.S. claims) controls ALL the armies of North America. And now Eberhart is agitating for repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act, the 1878 law which prohibits military forces to be used for peace-keeping jobs within the U.S.

Motive, opportunity, payment after the fact. ANY grand jury in the U.S. would vote to try the people involved for THAT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE...the interceptor jets not allowed to take off. And there are HUNDREDS of other pieces of evidence...stock market paper trails, hotel receipts, videos of ground zero, INS records, etc., etc., etc.

You're not laughing at me. You're laughing at your own ignorance. Inform yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Troll
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 01:25 PM

No GUEST, we are laughing AT you.I guess that your secret is the fertilizer that you are using.

troll ***BTW if you think that they would "...lose an officer in the process..." taking someone like you out, you have a much higher opinion of yourself than your present profile warrants. Or you watch too many old westerns on TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 05:04 PM

See, you can't address the issues. You are terrified. Why did the interceptor jets not perform their functions on Sept. 11? You KNOW I'm on target here, and the result is going to be the death of your way of life. Unless you do something. If you are American, and you do nothing about the government-sponsored murders of Sept. 11, you are a traitor who will witness your family slaughtered, and you will die in a concentration camp and you will be reviled by those who gave you the Constitution and you will be reviled by those who write the history of the future. And you will have to remember this post as you go through the Auschwitz experience awaiting you. Explain, please, why the man who is now your god (and you damn well better treat him like one if he ever graces you with his boot on your neck), please tell me why he held the jets on the ground Sept. 11. I REALLY need to know why. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 05:29 PM

It's my understanding that the jets went up, but they were too late.

You must be terrified, too, or you'd take that bag off your head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 08:16 PM

Of course they went up late. On a two-minute launch alert, but they went up an hour late. Orders were over-ridden. Who did it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:06 AM

GUEST, I read/process the information differently from you. And there are a number of assumptions you are making that don't seem substantiated in the links.

* Two minute launch alert? Where did you read that?
* A fighter jet was alongside Payne Stewart's plane ready to shoot it down if need be in 12 minutes? It is my understanding no one knows just when the cabin pressure failed, so where do you get the 12 minutes?

* Concentration camps? Did you know there are and have been large camps held in readiness all across the country for years? There is one at Florence, Arizona, I'm told, (I went by there in 1969) and supposedly there are six altogether; I was told it had to do with potential rioters. It is nothing new.

* Ralph E. Eberhart's career. Did you read his vitals? A long steady upward climb. His appointment to NorthCom would not be unexpected nor undeserved, on the basis of his recorded accomplishments.

* In reading his speeches, one of the things that appears to come through clearly is that no one - at least no one official - thought anything like 9/11 could happen. Eberhart said that they were all focused on the potentiality of bombs and sabotage- that no one thought of domestic airliners as being in danger.

* I agree with you that it's unconscionable that no one did- the scenario had been posited in Hollywood and had even been proposed politically as a possibility- but no one was listening.

I gather you are an American; your anxiety comes through clearly. But mind your blood pressure. Seriously. Remind yourself we will all die only once, but die we must, however it comes about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 01:46 AM

Eberhart is a mass murderer. That's like listening to Hitler's side of the story. If you weren't too LAZY to seek out the info, you'd know that EVERYONE in the Pentagon and in the Administration knew hijacking bombs were a possibility. Bush was TOLD at his ranch 6 weeks before Sept. 11 they were a possibility! He denied it, then someone leaked the story, then he admitted it. AND THE PENTAGON WAS HOLDING A DRILL ON THE MORNING OF SEPT. 11 FOR GUESS WHAT...A PLANE HITTING THE BUILDING! This stuff has been out in the open for SO long I can't believe you wouldn't be aware of it. Quit defending these murderers. Do some research if you are really ignorant. These people violated their oaths. They are destroying this country on orders from global gangsters.

Go to the 'Prior Knowledge' section of www.infowars.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 01:53 AM

http://www.infowars.com/resources.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 03:10 AM

'How to Make Friends and Influence People', Page 312.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: stevetheORC
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 05:04 AM

Can I be a Tyrant please n I want one of de trucks to.

Seriously folks, yep they knew that something was going to happen but if some one said to you 'hey they are going to fly a plane into the twin towers' would you believe it!! I doubt it, car bombs yes, letter bombs yes a bloody aeroplane no way!!!

I was in the air when it happend and i did not believe it when told about it upon arrival at the airport, even though I had comented to my partner that 'summat was up' due to the actions of the cabin crew.
They were scared.

As for Guest if they wanted to take you out pal you would be history and no one would be any the wiser!!!

Still want one of de trucks though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Troll
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 09:14 AM

GUEST, it pains me to have to say this, but you have been taken for a ride.
Let me explain.
You love this country and consider yourself a patriot. This is good. But part of your love is a refusal to see that this country is not perfect and that it's government sometimes drops the ball.
But your country is a great country and great countries don't make errors.
They can, however be betrayed, and that's what you felt in the face of 9/11.
Betrayal. And, since 9/11 affected the security of the Nation, betrayal on the higest levels. The Nation had been betrayed; YOU had been betrayed. Never again can you go to sleep, secure in the knowledge that nothing could harm you.
Of course, that's not been true for a long, long time, but you felt it was true.
Until 9/11.
The country had been attacked, security had been breached, and we had all been betrayed.
At this point just about everyone in the country knew that our anti-terrorism intelligence apparatus had messed up badly but you NEEDED more. You needed someone to blame, some individual or some evil cabal that had stopped our defenses from preventing this tragedy and Osama bin Laden didn't fill the bill. How could some raghead be greater than the United States?
No, it had to be an inside job and who better to run things than the Bush family. And so, using half-truths, mis-intertretations and outright lies, we come to the point that you are at now.
The sites you cite as "proof" of your allegations are written by people just like you and that's why they are so easy to believe.
They answer all your questions neatly and completely and you don't question them because it all just "fits".
Let me ask you this. How do you KNOW what the orders are for scrambling the fighters when an airliner goes off course? You got it from a web site? And did you check that ONE PIECE OF DATa all the way back to it's source and then check out the source?
Betcha didn't.
Try it. try and go back to the origin of the post. Try and find the actualwording of the order and don't just accept the word of "Air Force Major John R. Smith." He may not even exist.
In other words, GUEST< do some realintelligence gathering on your own instead of simply accepting what someone lese has said. As it stands right now, your stridency makes you a bufoon and your argument a joke.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 10:05 AM

I don't think I could say it any better than troll did.

Sometimes things just happen. There is no rhyme or reason, or any blame to cast. But as humans, we want to blame someone. We want to believe that surely someone is at fault here.

The only people at fault for 9/11 are the hijackers, and they're already dead, so we can't get any revenge.

I remember listening to the radio that morning. All the newscasters were in total and complete disbelief. So was I. I wasn't sure what I was hearing. A plane crash? And another? What's going on here? I didn't know. It didn't make sense.

As our friend the Orc said above, if anyone had told you what was about to happen, would you have believed it?

There are some who believe the same about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Sometimes things just happen. We shake our heads in disbelief and confusion, and in trying to make sense of things, blame whoever is convenient. But sometimes, there are no clear answers.

I don't believe the government is out to get us. I don't believe there is a mysterious syndicate out to take over the world. People have come up with these conspiracy theories for years and years - if any of them were true, I think we'd have known by now.

Of one thing I am pretty certain - it will be awhile before anyone tries to take down another airplane, because the passengers won't allow it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:07 AM

You folks are in SERIOUS denial. That's fine, most of the country is. I don't need tragedy and conspiracy in my life. None of us does. But NORAD's intercept system wasn't broken on Sept. 11. It worked exactly as it did. It was ready to go, but then someone caused it to stand down. That could only have been two people. Eberhart or Bush. Since Sept. 11, Eberhart has been elevated to Military Proconsul of America, and Bush has a repressive military system in place domestically...ready to be used by him or his successor. His old man set this final phase of global consolidation long ago.

No one WANTS to believe the worst about their leaders, but ours are the bottom of the barrel. Anyway, I could convince any grand jury in the country, just on the NORAD, Eberhart bush information available on the internet, that he gave the order for the interceptor jets to stand down, and he either did it as a military coup, or he did it on the orders of the one man who could order him to.

You folks are WAY too self-centered. Your kids are going to have to pick up the tab for your denial, and it won't be pretty. Wait til those five buck a day Paki mercenaries stop you at a checkpoint. Your wife's wedding ring will be equal to a years wages, so there goes the ring, the finger probably, and her life if she squawks. And those checkpoints have all been legislated...because of Sept. 11. You know what has REALLY happened, only you can't change your tune.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:09 AM

"I don't need tragedy and conspiracy in my life."

Then pray, do tell us why you are going out of your way to foment them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:23 AM

GUEST, you keep saying you could convince any grand jury - so why don't you? If what you are saying is true and believable, go ahead and do it! What good will it do telling us, even if some of us agree with you? Otherwise, it's just a lot of talk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:23 AM

Here's why. I posted it on another thread, but I'll repost it here. This is just NEW news I found yesterday. Couple of stories relating to Sept. 11. Sept. 11 is the lynchpin. If it is focused on and pulled, the whole tyrannical plan will fall. The Bushes and Clinton serve the interests of gangsters and a global banking network. The Bushes also happen to be one of the crime families. The 20th century was just a series of wars whereby these powers consolidated their wealth, and now we're in the final phase of this consolidation. The plan is to turn the world into a 'global community' on the Communist Chinese model, where they are currently branding all citizens with graphite tattoos for easier tracking. Population will then be reduced to half a billion...the figure the U.S. estimates is needed to tend the planet. And the globalists needed a spectacular 'event' to get the ball rolling in America...an incident that would get Americans to trade liberties for rights, and an event that would kill enough foreigners to create outrage overseas. So, the Rockefellers sold all interests in the WTC they had built 41 years earlier, and a few weeks later the terrorists were allowed to board the planes. Those guys were trained by the U.S. military, ushered into the country on phony visas issued out of Saudia Arabia by the CIA, housed in FBI safe houses while here, and their names weren't in the FBI computers when they were pulled aside for random boarding checks on Sept. 11. The compartmentalized FBI field agents are good people, and they weren't allowed to do their jobs. Their supervisors sat on the reports handed in to them. Clinton and Bush policy was to let known associates of bin Laden travel freely and unhindered in the U.S. Sept. 11 was no accident. There are only 2 ways of viewing history...accidental, where things 'just happen', and conspiratorial, where events are planned. You'd have to be a fool to believe the people who control the world's money supply would let ANYTHING 'just happen'.:

FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III has been asked by a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to justify an award he gave to an FBI official who refused requests by Minneapolis agents for a warrant to search the computer of terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, described as "shocking" Mr. Mueller's decision to give the Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service award to Marion "Spike" Bowman, head of the FBI's national security law unit.

"By granting this award and a monetary bonus, you are sending the wrong signal to those agents who fought — sometimes against senior FBI bureaucrats at headquarters — to prevent the [September 11] attacks," Mr. Grassley said in a letter Thursday to Mr. Mueller....

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030111-10797061.htm

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, said today that the Bush administration has failed to provide a complete and accurate response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning the decision to place White House staff on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic, Cipro, the same day as the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml

(The people in the American government and intelligence community who assisted the terrorists on Sept. 11 are being promoted and given bonuses. Marion Bowman refused to let good field agents apply existing law to look at the hard drive. Bowman is directly responsible for letting Bush and Eberhart carry out the attacks...and now he gets a bonus of our tax money. For murdering innocents. I truly hope Grassley is as steamed as he sounds...I hope this isn't just another diversion. And Bush went on the antibiotic Cipro on Sept. 11. WEEKS before the 'anthrax attack'. Not only did he have prior knowledge the plane attacks were coming, he had prior knowledge the anthrax attacks were coming. Clinton was impeached over a blowjob, people. We have a slam-dunk case for mass murder of Americans against GWBush. And these stories are just the couple new ones I came across today. There are thousands of stories about government involvement in Sept. 11 and the anthrax 'attack' out there).


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:25 AM

Well put, troll. You are a compassionate man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:34 AM

Grand jury...people are trying. Judicial Watch. David Schippers:

http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/Illumine.htm

Read the interview at the URL above. David Schippers is a Republican. Lead impeachment attorney in the Clinton impeachment. Before that he kicked the Mafia's ass in Chicago. After the Clinton job was over, he went back to Chicago, and FBI agents began approaching him saying they were being reassigned and threatened over bin Laden. Schippers tried to use the Republican connections he had made in Washington to talk to people, but they all avoided him. Ashcroft, congressional leaders. More evidence that an attack was coming poured in, and he became frantic, but they STILL ignored him. Read that interview.

And grand juries...I can't initiate proceedings because judges have overstepped the constitution and usurped the grand juries authority. And who are you going to appeal to on that? A judge? Even if I could convince a grand jury, no judge would set his family up for Bush retribution by allowing the case in his courtroom. So I speak out and hope for a lawsuit. Lots of people are doing it. LOTS of people...but there are still no lawsuits. The Bush junta just wants a little more time...no lawsuits...just a little more time until they can lauch smallpox and shut down American cities. Then the fun will REALLY begin.

It's here, folks. While you're all watching the playoffs, our troops are being sent overseas so we'll have to rely on U.N. troops when the rioting starts. I hope I'm wrong, but I really do think it's that bad. And it was allowed to get like this because people just can't believe something so bad could happen in America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:37 AM

Please cite your source for your assertion about Chinese citizens being forcibly tattooed. I couldn't find anything on the Internet about that. Of course, that's probably a conspiracy, too.

I agree with JennyO - if what you say is true, and you have indisputable proof, take it to a judge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:45 PM

It's been taken to a judge. Over and over and over again. The Bushes kill people who cross them, and no judge will allow a grand jury to go forward with these cases. The one big case that is being allowed is now stalled...the survivors of the WTC attack who refuse to take the govts. 1.8 million hush money and are suing...that case will drag on for twenty years. They HAD to allow that one, the Cheney said another terrorist attack WOULD occur if any more govt. resources were drawn away from the 'war on terrorism'.

This forum is slowing down...hard for me to get to it now...slow. Your protector is doing what he can to save you from the truth. Use www.google.com and type in whatever you want to look for.

Drudge Report has all the wire services. You can search AP, UPI, Reuters for breaking news.

GoogleNews.com combines searches for all the wire services and returns results for headlines.

I'll look for the piece on the graphite tattoos and post it if I can get back here. The President of China called the Fortune 500 the 'ultimate flower of Communism'. Don't you folks recall the push just a short while ago to 'chip' everyone in the U.S.? Our borders are wide open during this 'war on terrorism' (first thing you do in a war is close the borders), but Bush has INCREASED importation of foreigners from terrorist states and refuses to regulate the Mexican border. Yet he allows ALL repressive measures against U.S. citizens. His daddy was ambassador to China and head of the CIA, killed millions in Central and South America to set up his cocaine cartel and the 'war on drugs'. Figure it out for yourselves, folks.


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