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Lyr Req: Bob Dylan's Dream (Bob Dylan)

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FRANKLIN THE BRAVE or LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT 2
LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT
LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT (4)
THE FRANKLIN EXPEDITION


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07 Jul 98 - 11:55 PM
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Joe Offer 08 Jul 98 - 12:37 PM
Bert C. 08 Jul 98 - 01:26 PM
Mountain Dog 08 Jul 98 - 03:19 PM
Joe Offer 08 Jul 98 - 03:44 PM
Barry Finn 08 Jul 98 - 03:58 PM
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Joe Offer 08 Jul 98 - 04:36 PM
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dick greenhaus 09 Jul 98 - 03:48 PM
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Roger Himler 09 Jul 98 - 06:58 PM
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Jack (who is called Jack) 11 Jul 98 - 11:18 PM
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Subject: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
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Date: 07 Jul 98 - 11:55 PM

Does anyone have the lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream? It starts

While I took a trip on a train going west I fell asleep for to take my rest I dreamed a dream that made me feel sad Concerning myself and the first few friends I had

(or something close to that)

If you have the chords as well as the lyrics, please submit them to the DT.

Thanks.

Pauline


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Subject: Lyr Add: BOB DYLAN'S DREAM (Bob Dylan)
From: Roger Himler
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 12:17 AM

BOB DYLAN'S DREAM, by Bob Dylan (from Bob Dylan Lyrics, 1962 - 1985)

While riding on a train goin' West,
I fell asleep for to take my rest.
I dreamed a dream that made me sad,
Concerning myself and the first few friends I had.

With half-damp eyes I stared to the room,
Where my friends and I spent many an afternoon.
Where we together weathered many a storm,
Laughin' and singin' till the early hours of the morn.

By the old wooden stove where our hats was hung,
Our words were told, our songs were sung,
Where we longed for nothin' and were quite satisfied,
Talkin' and a-jokin' about the world outside.

With haunted hearts through the heat and cold.
We never thought we could ever get old.
We thought we could sit forever in fun,
But our chances really was a million to one.

As easy it was to tell black from white.
It was all that east to tell wrong from right.
And our choices were few and the thought never hit.
That the one road we traveled would ever shatter and split.

How many a year has passed and gone.
And many a gamble has been lost and won.
And many a road taken by many a friend,
And each one I've never seen again.

I wish, I wish, I wish in vain,
That we could sit simply in that room again.
Ten thousand dollars at the drop of a hat,
I'd give it all gladly if our lives could be like that.

Of course, Dylan stole the music from the song Lord Franklin. Enjoy!!

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 12:37 PM

I was going to post a link to the Book of Bob, a Web site with all of Dylan's lyrics. My link is dead, so I guess the Book has been banished. Anybody know of another good source for Dylan lyrics online?
-Joe offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Bert C.
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 01:26 PM

Joe,

Have you visited Bob Links yet?

Bert C


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 03:19 PM

Dear Joe,

Here's the most comprehensive Dylan archive I know; it's a dandy!

http://www.uvm.edu/~ksherloc/dylan/


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 03:44 PM

Thanks, guys. I got worried for a while when i couldn't find my favorite Dylan lyrics site. Sometimes, I wonder if I should save lyrics I find at sites like that - you never know how long they're going to be around.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 03:58 PM

Is that song to the tune of Lord Franklin, can't remember how Dylan sung it, but when I looked at the words the tune seemed to what I remember, then again I could be having one of my passing age moments. Barry


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 04:03 PM

Lord Franklin? I couldn't find it in the database - is it there? Is it a song about the Franklin that went to the Arctic?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Tune Add: FRANKLIN THE BRAVE
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 04:36 PM

Here's the tune to FRANKLIN THE BRAVE or LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT 2, which has lyrics very similar to "Bob Dylan's Dream." The Sam Henry book has a funny way of printing the tune, so I'm not sure I have it exactly right. The tune is similar, but not exactly the same as "Dylan's Dream."
-Joe Offer-

MIDI file: FRANKL~1.MID

Timebase: 192

Name: FRANKLIN THE BRAVE
Text: By Traditional
From "Sam Henry's Songs of the People"
TimeSig: 2/4 24 8
Start
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End

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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Jul 98 - 05:32 PM

Yup, same Franklin , Joe. I believe they just recently found some frozen remains, talk about your deep freeze. Barry


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 12:12 PM

Dear Barry and Joe,

Smithsonian magazine did an article (it's probably been 10 to 15 years ago) about a successful expedition to find the remains of Franklin's crew, ship, etc. Interesting, if macabre, article and worth (ahem) digging up for buffs of Artic expeditions gone bad.

The first version (and a lovely one) I ever heard of the tune was done by John Renbourne. I think he did it as "Lady Franklin's Lament" on the album "Maid in Bedlam". It's the version I still play. You'll find it in the DT under the name given above.


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 02:57 PM

Thanks, Mountain Dog - the DT tune for LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT is very close to the Dylan tune, isn't it? Do you think Dylan deserves a copyright on a song like this?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 03:48 PM

The same tune is used for The Croppy Boy, McCafferty (or McCassery) and a whole bunch of fine old trad. Irish songs. I'd love to see Dylan, or anybody else, try to defend a copyright on the tun


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 04:43 PM

Gents,

I think the only hope Bobby Zimmerman would have of claiming copyright on that tune would be if he changed his name once again, this time to "P.D. Trad"...


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Roger Himler
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 06:58 PM

It's not just the tune he stole. Some of the word structure comes from Lady Franklin's lament, especially the last verse. Of course, I believe he was only emulating his hero, Woodrow Wilson Guthrie, who also was not bad at thieving tunes and concepts to suit his own purposes. Bob Dylan's Dream is a concept different from Lady Franklin's Lament, it's just the tune (outright) and the structure that he used.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: RayBanks
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 08:00 PM

Rumour has it that while Dylan was in London in about 1963, he heard someone (maybe Martin Carthy) singing Lord Franklin in a folk club. Bob Dylan's Dream was written soon after. Its all part of the folk process! Ray.


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 08:16 PM

I'm all for the folk process, Ray. The thing that bothers me is that "last step" that has been added to the folk process by Dylan and others - filing of copyrights on what started out as traditional songs. Copyrights stifle the folk process. There's gotta be a better way, a way that protects the rights of songwriters without stifling the natural evolution of songs.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Chet W.
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 08:54 PM

I've done this many times, and so should Bob. You can copyright the lyrics only, or the tune only, or the arrangement only, or any combination. The folk process is thereby saved.

Chet W.


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 09:41 PM

G'day,
Lady Franklin's Lament is well known here in Oz and the connection of the tune to McCafferty. Dylan's obvious "borrowing" of words and tune is also well known, at least in folk circles.

The Aussie connection to Franklin is that he was Governor of Tasmania for a while and gave his name to the Franklin River which was very controversial here for some years for environmental reasons.

At an earlier stage in his life he explored the north coast of Canada partly in hope of finding the north west passage. After his time as Tassie Governor he was asked to lead an expedition by sea to find the passage. As I understand it the ships were poorly provisioned, especially as they could expect to be ice bound for a winter and one of their main problems was scurvy. Some of them attempted to make it to Canada by foot but none were able to survive the walk. They were observed by Eskimos as they walked along dying one by one ("Only the Eskimo in his skin canoe"etc.) but the Eskimos had enough trouble themselves surviving the winter and did not have the resources to help a group of dying men.

I still have a newspaper article of at least 10 years ago describing, with photos, the discovery of the frozen remains of two of Franklin's crew.

The line "Ten thousand pounds would I freely give" is a reference to the fact that Lady Franklin raised twenty thousand pounds (hey it IS a folk song) to outfit an expedition to find her husband. This expedition found no trace of Franklin but did contribute a great deal to the exploration of the area. I also reckon that the song was written by one or more of the sailors involved. Well that's as likely an explanation as any other.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 10:11 PM

A bit more on Franklin, from Doerflinger: Sailed with more than 200 (others say 129) men aboard the HMS Erebus & Terror in 1845. Was last seen around Baffin Island (by a Whaling skipper). Lady Franklin did organize a number of search expeditions , one (of close to 40), in 1859, found a stone cairn on King William Land with a message (a logbook) stating that the ships were traped in ice near Baffin Land & that Franklin had died in 1847 & the rest were attempting to make their way south over the ice, none made it. Sorry about the theory Alan. Colcord puts the date of the song before this discovery. Somewhere I had heard the an Eskimo woman did try to help with their survival but to no avail (can't remember when, where & who I got that from so take it as hearsay). Barry


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 10:58 PM

LEAD POISONING !!!! The solder used to seal provisions in canned goods on the voyage leached out into the food. This caused extreme mental problems and lack of good judgment!! That is why so many seasoned and professional seamen made such terrible decisions----like trying to walk out when they should've waited for the thaw! Other MAJOR bad decisions were made also.

This was on TV---National Geographic---complete with the exhumation, thawing etc. A relative from the present of one of the thawed men was along. He even looked like the fellow who was pretty much perfectly preserved. The men were exhumed from the permafrost, thawed and some autopsied. Tissue was tested also and the discovery made of the high levels of lead in the tissues of all tested.

EVERYTHING was replaced exactly where it was found when they buried the men again!

Stan Rogers "NORTHWEST PASSAGE" was the music for the program!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 11:19 PM

Art, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make em' sing across thin ice. Barry


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 98 - 11:19 PM

Yeah, but what I'm trying to figure out is Alan's theory that one of Franklin's sailors wrote the song. If nobody survived, who got the royalties????
Bob Dylan, I guess.....

By the way, did you good people realize that Peter, Paul, and Mary made a recording of "Bob Dylan's Dream"? Do you care? I kinda liked it, myself.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 11 Jul 98 - 05:52 AM

Excuse me for whispering sheepishly
Actually Joe, The PP&M version was the first I ever heard.


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jul 98 - 08:43 PM

Would you say that a little louder, Alan?
Heck, if we got people posting "Gilligan's Island" here, maybe it's time for some of us to come out of the closet and admit that we were introduced to folk music by PP&M and the Kingston Trio. I, for one, still like 'em.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 11 Jul 98 - 11:01 PM

G'day,
OK OK I still have a few PP&M LPs. I even recently cleaned up the sound and put them onto CDs. Well I'm gradually doing that to my entire LP collection - much greater quality and convenience. I'm now playing recordings I haven't played in years.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 11 Jul 98 - 11:07 PM

G'day again,
A revision of my posting above which was done at work relying on memories of what I'd read years ago:-

I should have said that I liked to think that "Lady Franklin's Lament" was written by one of the sailors involved in the search for Franklin I should have allowed for it arising from one of the earlier searches. It's quite right that Lady Franklin's searches were not the first. However the last verse (was this a later version of the song?) shows an awareness of Lady Franklin's activities.

Barry, does Colcord give a date for the song?

My latest reference to Franklin's expedition is the above mentioned newspaper article dated 27/9/1984 showing the frozen body of Petty Officer John Torrington, aged 20 at the time. Some tissue samples were taken and the remains were carefully replaced as Art says. The results of the autopsy may have been reported here but if so I missed it. Presumably this is where the evidence of lead poisoning came from.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Jack (who is called Jack)
Date: 11 Jul 98 - 11:18 PM

My interest in folk and blues was the result of listening to my mom's & aunt & uncles recordings of

Peter Paul & Mary Harry Belafonte Simon & Garfunkel Judy Collins & Pete Seeger.

It wasn't until I was 17 or so that I discovered the Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee recordings, which in turn lead me to Rev Gary Davis, & Mississippi John Hurt.

And one of the PP&M songs that I used to listen to over and over and over was Bob Dylan's dream. It was the first instance of liking a song that made me choke up.

Best Regards

Jack


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Pauline L.
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 11:46 PM

I'm glad to hear so many kudos for PPM. They were a major influence on me. I heard them live recently. They sang a lot of their old songs, but I think the effect was more moving than ever before. As they say, "Don't let the light go out."

Pauline


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 02:22 PM

Hi Alan,
I don't have J.Colcord, I took part of this from Doeflinger (& Palmer), where he states "As Miss Colcord has pointed out, it must have been composed before 1859". I belive because the song goes "The fate of Franklin no man (nobody) knows". In 1859 their fate was finnally known. The verse that goes:
"In Baffin's Bay where the whale fish blow", is the last verse in #1 in Doerflinger & the source is 'Ballads & Sea Songs From Newfoundland' by Elisabeth Greenleaf & Grace Yarrow, 1933. The 2nd version, aslo has the title "The Sailor's Dream" has the same verse as the 7th of 9, & he says it's the older of the 2, this one coming from Joseph Faulkner's "Eighteen Months on a Greenland Whaler", 1878.
Barry


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Chet W.
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 09:21 PM

Pauline, Just had to add that I too saw PP&M live a couple of years ago, and it took me a while to understand why it made me feel SO good, far above expectations. It was because it helped me remember what it was like to be politically liberal, even leftist, without feeling any obligations to all the orthodoxy currently tied to such a persuasion. I had a buzz from that show that still hasn't gone away.

Chet W.


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Subject: RE: Req for lyrics to Bob Dylan's Dream
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 98 - 09:37 PM

Note to Joe Offer,

I just tried my link to Book of Bob:

http://fciav3.bsd.uchicago.edu/~jrr/tbob/index.html

and it worked fine.


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