BS: Germany and France are not Europe

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: DougR
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:38 PM

Carol C: when you point out that there is a "lot of interesting information," don't you mean there is a lot of interesting information that supports your viewpoint at that site?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:41 PM

You don't really know what my viewpoint is, DougR, because I've never really stated it in any kind of detail. Nor will I at this particular juncture. All you can do is speculate.

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:34 PM

Mmmm ! And interesting justaposition regarding the French resistance. I would make one small correction though. "blindfolded, tortured, then shot, if they were lucky".

Needless to say that great humanitarion, Saddam Hussain, has never had his opponents or "suspects", "blindfolded, tortured, then shot, if they were lucky", has he ????

And if we, the West, put him there, have we not a moral duty to rectify matters, hopefully peacefully, and preferably before he can do any more damage or death to his own people ????

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:00 PM

What Gareth said is more or less what Clinton was saying it in his speech to the British Labour Conference last autumn, and it's got some validity. But I haven't heard anything like that from Bush, or for that matter Blair, with them apologising for past policies and past actions.

I'm sure the people shot in the At Valentines Day Massacre were a pretty unsavoury bunch - but I don't think the fact that he rubbed them out is seen as a reason for defending Al Capone.

Predictions that oil revcenues will be used to defray the cost of the war and any occupation, and that foreign companies expect to make big profits out of exploiting Iraq's resources, don't really square with the notion that this is the West in penitent mood trying to undo some part of the damage it has done to the people of the region.

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:00 PM

Depends on our motives, Gareth, whether or not they are self-serving and at the expense of innocents, or whether or not they are genuinely for the good of the people in the region. So far, our track record doesn't look too good in that respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: Orac
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 12:16 PM

Maybe the fellow's being a tad misrepresented. I didn't hear what Herr Rumsfeld actually said but maybe he only means that F & G don't speak for the whole of Europe... even though they certainly like to think they do... much to the irritatation of us in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 12:23 PM

Bumsfeld did say that France and Germany are the old Europe. The good news is that Britain is part of the new Europe, now joined by Berlusconi's Italy.

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: Orac
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 12:26 PM

Ah.. so all is not lost then..!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Germany and France are not Europe
From: DougR
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:54 PM

Orac: I think you make a good point in your post of 12:16 on 4 Feb.

DougR