BS: Mass Graves

Subject: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 02:59 PM

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1565691.php

The Bush junta plans to burn American troops like cord wood.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:08 PM

You are a creepy son of a gun.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:16 PM

Actually, all things carefully considered, you are a jerk of the first water. Planning for contingencies is a wee bit different than planning ON them. While I grant you the concept is disgusting and unnerving in the extreme, the simple fact is that the use of bio weapons in and by Iraq is a distinct possibility, IF Bush proceeds to launch an attack against Saddam's ugly regime.

Given the responsibility of the individual officers to try to be prepared for eventualities of the worst sort, and to minimize harm to the troops that survive the scenario, how would YOU plan to handle it?

Beam them up?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:17 PM

The Bush junta is now stirring up North Korea. We will be in a 'two-front war' by this time next year. And your sons and daughters will be drafted, sent out of country and burned. While foreign troops have their way with you. Would you rather not know about this? THAT is creepy.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:21 PM

The way I would handle it is to pay a fair-market price for oil and avoid the war. But then this war is not about Saddam being evil or even about the price of oil. It is about destroying America. The global crime syndicate MUST release bioweapons in the U.S. in order to create a police state, thus destroying the longest-running and most symbolic of the world's remaining 'democracies'. Once the U.S. descends into a police-state, the rest of the world will lose heart (or so the globalists hope), and the chains can be applied. The Bush family and the other crime families planned this war long before GW got into the White House (matter of public record), so they can unplan it. I'm not the one who wants to burn Americans. The Bushes are.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:43 PM

Troll alert

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:47 PM

GUEST, judging from the nature and tone of what you have posted here, I think it is safe to assume that you are the same GUEST who has posted similar alerts on other threads. Let me save you a great deal of time and effort. If people will click here----> **Twilight Zone**, they will find just about everything you have to say. In the meantime, I suggest that you seek professional help.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: mg
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM

first priority has to be for the living. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:54 PM

... all together now. ALL TOGETHER NOW!

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:54 PM

Tell that to the 1.5 million Iraqis you have killed in the past 12 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 03:57 PM

Wait- do you mean the 1.5 million Iraqis that I have killed or the 1.5 million Iraqis that Don, Mary or Art has killed?

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:00 PM

Beccy --

I don't think it's any good -- s/he knows we are all everywhere and mutually identical, and therefore all part of the Evil that has ruined his/her life. Probably wishes we'd finished the job at the time. Sigh.

I think Don is the one who killed the 1.5 million Iraqis. My war was against the Sioux...or was it Santa Anna? Goehring? Oh, hell, I just can't remember anything any more... :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: mg
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:04 PM

I will take responsibility for the 1.5 million Iraquis I killed at the same time I will take responsibility for the how many millions of Rhwandans I killed by not doing anything. Either way it is a horrible wretched world we live in and sometimes the alternatives are just not nice. At the present time. But they can and will change. Soon I hope. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:05 PM

Amos- you're a hoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Raedwulf
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:11 PM

Oh, I'm on the same side as Don & Amos again. There's a world of difference between "may be" & "this is what we're gonna do". Bush may be a monumental lackwit, & the gods know, me being UK, I've no reason to think well of the prat, but he wouldn't even remotely consider such a remotely unpalatable action without bloody good reason. Bush is (or wants to be seen as) a patriot. If he possibly can, he'll bring the bodies home.

Whilst you, anonymous trolling paranoid conspiracy gullible Guest, are an anonymous trolling paranoid conspiracy gullible Guest, trying to lead people up the proverbial garden path. There's plenty of muppets like you about. We've a couple trolling around this board at the moment telling us "by mur gunz, yule bee zafe dat weigh, onest".

Any munchkin can post the sort of vaguely plausible garbage that passes for 'news' or 'fact', but yer actual truth qutotient is less than one part ber billion. Unless, of course, you like believing that sort of 'conspeeracy thang' thing {rollseyes}. Like da man said - seek professional help.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:48 PM

I didn't just calmly announce a change in plan for a 53-year old practice. Think of all the movies you've seen where the platoon has to go back in to retrieve the body of one of their own.

We Americans have killed 1.5 million Iraqis in the past 12 years to protect Haliburton oil's (one of the Cheney companies) monopoly on Iraqi oil. Only company that can trade 'oil for humanitarian supplies'. And American bombing and sanctions have led to the deaths of a million and a half in the past 12 years...direct bombardments and destruction of clean water, electrical and sewage facilities, etc. But all you heard on the government-controlled media regarding Iraq during that time was an occasional mention of a U.S. plane being shot at.

'Out of sight, out of mind' is the rule which was applied to the U.S. military's murders in Iraq since the end of the war, and it worked so well that now they're going to do the same with American troops. Hell yes there will be mass casualties, but they DON'T WANT THE SIGHT OF BODY BAGS COMING HOME LIKE WE SAW IN VIET NAM! YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE BURNED LIKE TRASH IN THE FIELD, PEOPLE! WAKE UP!

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 04:51 PM

Yawn, GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:04 PM

Well, GUEST, you know that there is a part of me that is concerned about a larger conspiracy of the ruling class to put down the labor moveement in the US as it considers it to be a real pain in their sides. And I agree with you that the Bush/Cheney motivation for attacking Iraq has nothing to to do with weapons and everything to do with the Haliburtons and Harkins (Bush's last failure).

But, your personalizing decade's of poor foriegn policy on a bunch of rather peaceful group of folk singers is a little bit of a stretch. I think you would get a little further with your opinions, ideas and facts if you would keep the culprits in the spotlight and leave poor Amos, Beccy and others alone.

Hey, folks do what they can do. Do I attend each and every peace demonstartion? No. But I do what I can and so do others here. So give peace a chance here at Mudcat and see if you don't make more progress than with attacking, thank you.

Peace, bro/sister...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:12 PM

Okay, I'll feed the troll.

Okay, GUEST, you say "Wake up!" Okay, I'm fully awake.

In my opinion, George W. Bush and his cronies are a bunch of weasels--some of the finest politicians that money can buy--and this country and vast portions of the world are pretty much dominated by multi-national corporations. Here and there, there are small pockets where things are fairly nice, and people are secure and happy, such as the Scandinavian countries (Oh, dear! But they're socialistic!). But in the main, the whole damned globe is run by venal, greedy people who will gladly sell you their grandmother for a couple of bucks and deliver! All over vast portions of the world, the chasm between wealth and want grows wider, and the leaders of some countries are willing to obliterate the populations of other countries to see that the widening of that gulf continues. And all this time, they have no qualms whatsoever about lying to and manipulating their constituents. You're right about a lot of things. I'll stipulate that.

I am as politically active as I am able: I write letters, I make phone calls, I talk to people, I go to meetings, I belong to a couple of peace organizations, and I vote when given the opportunity. SO--what is it, beyond this, that you want me to do? Tell me. I'm waiting.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:15 PM

Don... didn't you read the sign? Don't feed the animals.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:35 PM

Hitler burned his own parliament building and then blamed it on a retarded 'communist' man in order to rally the Germans behind him. The U.S. government blew up the battleship Maine and blamed it on Spain in order to start the Spanish-American war. This tactic has not changed at all over the centuries. Why should new tactics be devised when old ones have proven to work so well?

The U.S. government (controlled by the global crime syndicate of bankers, corporations and decadent old families) was responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11. Until Americans bite the bullet on that and ADMIT the truth, we will continue down the road to slaughter.

There are THOUSANDS of smoking guns on Sept. 11. It was a sloppy job, and an obvious attempt is being made to cover it up by the Bush junta.

And if we don't do something, Sept. 11 will be 'the good old days' before long. The horrors in store for us will drive all concern about Sept. 11 from our minds. But until then, we need to INSIST our government answer for their actions regarding Sept. 11. They are fully exposed on this, and there's a CHANCE the couple hundred people trying to seize all the real estate in the world can be stopped if we expose this crime. They cannot answer the incriminating questions and are just hoping they can get us embroiled in another disaster before an accounting has to be made.

So, if you are not clamoring constantly for answers regarding Sept. 11, you're not doing enough.

But saying the U.S. government was responsible for Sept. 11 takes courage. People DON'T want to hear about it and will label you a kook. But Sept. 11 set off shock waves around the world, and MANY governments (not just in the U.S.) responded by passing repressive legislation...laws taking rights away from citizens. And the Bushes Carlyle Group and other armaments manufacturers are now arming governments not for fighting terrorists, but for enforcing the repressive new laws. I mean, think about it...there is absolutely no need for war with Iraq. None whatsoever. And now they're talking about burning Americans overseas, just so we won't feel the outrage at the sight of bodybags. Not acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:40 PM

From reading the article from the Denver post. It sounds like they are only considering options. Nothing is for sure. They also said they are considering placing bodies in air-tight bags and having closed casket funerals.
Article here-Denver Post
It is not such a bad consideration to keep the bodies over there if such contamination occurs.
The best advice I can give is "Don't have the war"
Peace, Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 05:42 PM

Oh, dear...is he/she/it talking about the Trilateral Commission or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 06:08 PM

You talk about the Trilateral Commission as if it doesn't exist or is some fringe group. It, like the CFR, is shaping world policy at this moment. Here's something I posted on another thread which became too long. Shouldn't have to repeat common sense:

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Sure. I'm in favor of world government if it's benign and people have rights. But that's not an alternative here. The world government being formed in front of our eyes is murderous and tyrannical.

In his 1996 book, 'The Grand Chessboard', Zbigniev Brezinski describes the world government which the CFR and Tri-Lateral Commission and U.N. are now implementing. He talks about the New World Order using 'maintainence wars' in the future:

"...The current Central Asian war is not a response to terrorism, nor is it a reaction to Islamic fundamentalism. It is in fact, in the words of one of the most powerful men on the planet, the beginning of a final conflict before total world domination by the United States leads to the dissolution of all national governments. This, says Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member and former Carter National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, will lead to nation states being incorporated into a new world order, controlled solely by economic interests as dictated by banks, corporations and ruling elites concerned with the maintenance (by manipulation and war) of their power. As a means of intimidation for the unenlightened reader who happens upon this frightening plan - the plan of the CFR - Brzezinski offers the alternative of a world in chaos unless the U.S. controls the planet by whatever means are necessary and likely to succeed...."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

THIS IS THE PLAN WE ARE SEEING IMPLEMENTED NOW. These guys don't 'predict'...they present blueprints. And Brezinski talks about 'maintainance wars'...so WHY IS THAT? If they are BUILDING WARS INTO THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, then why abandon the crummy nationalism we have now? I mean, if there will be wars no matter what, and we're going to have to sacrifice all our rights in the transition to an elitist 'world government', I prefer nationalism with the U.S. Constitution in place.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 06:20 PM

Does that mean Nelson Rockefeller's not really dead?

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 08:20 PM

Well, GUEST, that's all very lovely, but I'm still waiting. You can whine and squeal all day long about what's wrong with the world, but that hardly helps the case. Other than whining and squealing, what are you doing about it. What do you want us to do? What do you want me personally to do?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: mg
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 08:24 PM

they must not even consider for a moment bringing over contaminated bodies. They have to be cremated or whatever is the safest thing to do and cemented in place or whatever. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: JennyO
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 10:53 PM

Thought I'd heard that one before, and now it's confirmed. This is the guest on the Tyranny thread. While there is probably some truth in some of his rantings, I for one will not be bothering to visit this thread anymore.

To everyone else - don't feed the trolls!

And to GUEST - Get a life!

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 01:11 AM

God you people are weak. You're going to let your kids be burned like litter on the plains of Persia. I thought I'd seen some despicable lack of backbone before, but this...

In November of 2001 the Pentagon flew 6,000 al Qeada and Taliban out of Afghanistan...to safety in Pakistan. So the 'war on terrorism' could continue. Now your kids will die in that war and you don't even want to bring them home afterwards. After they die at the hands of your own terroristic government. Your ancestors would spit on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 01:28 AM

Rah, rah, rah! Makin' friends, boy!

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 01:36 AM

Professional help, professional help.... you really have some perspective to gain here, pal.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Gareth
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 02:32 AM

Mmmm ! Didn't the Heavy Cruiser USS Maine sink through a bunker fire (Spontaneous Combustion - very common in Coal Fired ships) "cooking off" a magazine ??? My Oh My, and there I was not realising that it was all a massive conspiracy !! - but hang about surely there was no God of Oil that long ago - Gee those Oil bosses must be strudlebugs !!!!!

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST,Raedwulf
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 03:42 AM

Don - he wants you to "by mur gunz, yule bee zafe dat weigh, onest!!" As Jenny says, he's the nutball out of the Tyranny thread. He appears to have gone back to being the ranting loony, instead of the vaguely plausible, reasonable sounding eccentric, though.

Guest - so we're all spineless & despicable are we? Then why the hell are you still hanging around? Give it up, man, give it up! Nobody here cares about your 'opinion', so why not troll elsewhere, where people might be less weak, & worth saving from themsleves, hmmm? {rollseyes}

Last time I feed the animals, too, I promise...

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 11:42 AM

Well in spite of all the past, present and future horrors that life has, does, and will guarantee, where one chooses to focus one's attention and energy is totally a matter of personal choice. The only real 'power' anyone has is in the present moment, because that's the only time and place in which one has the opportunity to make choices and to act on those choices.

Yesterday is history, tomorrow's a mystery, but today is a gift. That's why they call it 'the present'! And it's funny GUEST seems to have a bona fide blueprint for the future, when it hasn't even been created yet, and is totally dependant on the choices made right here and now!

GUEST may be right about all those suspicions/accusations, or they may be totally the work of a paranoid mind with unfortunately nothing better to do than spread it's paranoia around like a virus. But like Don pointed out above - even if s/he is right what the h*** can any of us 'regular folk' do about it? Absolutely nothing except stay informed, do whatever can possibly be done to keep peace in the world right here and now(starting with OURSELVES and working out from there).   Keeping in an optimistic frame of mind about the future certainly helps one to be more productive in the present as well. Expecting the worst has a tendency to bring on the worst - same with expecting the best.

One thing's for sure - everything living is going to die someday. How when and where are really quite trivial details in the big picture of things, imo. Strangely enough, I find comfort in these words of Joseph Campbell:

"Only death is no trouble. People ask me, 'Do you have optimism about the world?" And I say,"Yes, it's great just the way it is. And you're not ging to fix it up. Nobody has ever made it any better. This is it, so take it or leave it. You are not going to correct it or improve it ...

    James Joyce has a memorable line: "History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake." And the way to awake from it is not to be afraid, and to recognize that all of this, as it is, is a manifestation of the horrendous power of creation. The ends of things are always painful. But pain is part of there being a world at all."

And I can't resist this one either ...

"Vishnu at the end of the world appears as a monster. There he is, destroying the universe, first with fire and then with a torrential flood that drowns out the fire and everything else. Nothing is left but ash. The whole universe and all of it's life has been utterly wiped out. That's God in the role of destroyer. Such experiences go past ethical or aesthetic judgements. Ethics is wiped out.

Wheras in our religions, with their accent on the human, there is also accent on the ethical - God is qualified as good. No, no! God is horrific. Any god who can invent hell is no candidate for the Salvation Army. The end of the world - think of it!

But there is a Muslim saying about the Angel of Death: "When the Angel of Death approaches, he is terrible. When he reaches you, it is bliss."

          - Joseph Campbell, "The Power of Myth"

FWIW - daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 11:52 AM

No choice? Wrong. You get in front of the nearest camera and say 'The U.S. government carried out the September 11 attacks'. Or whittle it down to fit your mouth. Then spit it out. In front of cameras, into microphones, into telephones on talk shows, onto bulletin boards, at family gatherings, at work, on the street.

Hold the people who did the deed responsible, and all will be well. They won't be able to burn your babies after that. Simple truth works wonders. Don't enable through cowardice and / or rationalization.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 11:58 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020128fa_FACT

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 12:23 PM

Everyone has a choice, GUEST! And no-one above sounds like a cowardly rationalizer to me, either! But who in their right minds would choose to stand up and publicly accuse the President of the US of killing thousands of fellow citizens on Sept 11, (or any of your other insinuations) on the sole basis of your accusations and their questionable sources -(even if your sources are no more questionable than the rest of what's presented as 'fact' in the media today!)

Sorry I just don't buy it - in fact, I don't buy much of anything I hear these days. Who and what can I trust given the present situation? No-one it seems!

And I'm even less likely to listen to anyone who uses inflammatory and slanted language trying to get their point across. "They won't be able to burn your babies after that."   Babies indeed!   Soldiers are not 'babies' by any means, GUEST! You just use those words to terrify and delude. The weaker the ideas, the stronger the language.

So the best I can do is live my life in the very best way I know how, right here and now. Work for peace in whatever ways I can. Have as little fear of death and as much optimism about the future as possible. And not allow myself to be suckered in by ranting zealots on either side of the fence!

And that's all I'm going to 'feed' you!

Peace and hope - daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 02:41 PM

The truth is too awful, so you rationalize by saying you can't believe ANYTHING you hear. Bushit. You just feel powerless. The U.S. government CREATED al Qeada, funded and trained them, then the FBI and CIA let the hijackers into the country, kept them in safe houses and assisted them onto the planes. That's not hearsay. It's documented fact. I know you're afraid, but you shouldn't SUPPORT the government terrorists by saying nothing can be believed.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Beccy
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 02:55 PM

I have a feeling this GUEST is sitting at home getting massive chuckle out of getting a rise out of so many of us. I'm through with this thread. The outrage is getting tiring.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 03:00 PM

Well GUEST I could 'believe' that little green men from Mars were responsible for Sept 11 too, but I don't personally have any more evidence of that than I do for any of the other possibilities. How could I? I wasn't there, and so I just don't know. And when I really don't know something, I'm very careful about 'believing' anything I hear about it. Very careful.

Here's some food for thought you might find useful -

"To face someone who will wound you, kill you, takes courage.
    To face someone who will heal you perhaps takes more courage."

    - Ruth Beebe Hill, from 'Hanta Yo - An American Saga'

Peace and hope

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 05:10 PM

GUEST, a day has passed and I'm still eagerly awaiting your orders. Don't just dither. Get specific.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 06:22 PM

Just stand up on your hind legs, Don. Is this forum the only thing you folks read? I could convict the Bush junta of the Sept. 11 crimes just on evidence available to all of us on the internet. Evidence. Not hearsay. The Bush Company killed Americans on Sept. 11, and now it has y'all so spooked about germs that you'll support burning your children in Iraq. Pitiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 06:56 PM

Well, GUEST, you know that I never met a conspiracy theory that I didn't like and, yeah, I've had strong suspicions about our government's role in Sept.11. I'm not convinced that they took an active role but a passive one. There are just too many folks of the ruling class whose interests have been served so well since Sept. 11 that it is hard to dismiss complicity.

But now, in the words of Ho Che Mihn, "He who fights and runs a way, lives to fight another day."

Standing in front of a camera accusing the government is a good way to end up not being able to fight the next fight. So I'm not expecting Don to that.

This is where the intellegent person askes him or herself, "How can I best serve the cause?" and there are as many answers to that question as there are folks asking.

Buying guns has been your pat answer in the past and I'm surprised you haven't dusted that one off but glad that you haven't. The governemnt allready knows that there is at least one gun in circulation for every civilian man, woman and child so buying more won't do a danged thing except make the gun corporations richer.

I'm suggesting here that folks do what they *can*. Nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't matter. Just do what you can. That's what I do and also try to squeeze making and living and enjoying life along the way. There is more to life than the fight.

Peace

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:17 PM

But, GUEST, I already do. Reread what I wrote in my post of 27 Jan 03 - 05:12 PM. And no, this forum is not all that I read. I read other stuff on the internet including various newspaper websites, both domestic and foreign (giving me a wider perspective), and I average a couple of books a week, mostly non-fiction. I also write: I'm working on one major project (a book), plus I write a regular bi-monthly column for a local folk music magazine, and politically, I nag the be-jesus out of various politicians and other folk with letters and e-mails. I mouth off a lot in organization meetings, and on one occasion, I got the city engineers to put in a couple of curb-ramps for people in wheelchairs. Since I am one, standing up on my hind legs can be only a figure of speech. I think I do quite a bit, actually.

One thing I don't do is rant on about all kinds of conspiracies that I might suspect, but can't prove. I try to be firm but moderate in my tone so that the recipients of my various screeds and speeches don't dismiss me as some kind of a nut. I've also discovered that accusing people of being nothing but sheep is not the optimum way to get them to listen to me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:23 PM

By the way, you're spending a lot of time and effort trying to convince the folks on this forum to take some kind of action. Then you say "I could convict the Bush junta of the Sept. 11 crimes just on evidence available to all of us on the internet. Evidence. Not hearsay."

Okay, buster, what are you wasting time here for? Get crackin'!!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 09:08 PM

I do what I can. The only lawsuit being allowed to go forward is that of the survivors families. The government would kill them if it could, but instead they'll just tie them up in court until it's all academic anyway.

Conspiracies...god you people are fearful. Fearful of the government, fearful of being 'traced' for speaking your minds, fearful of being labeled 'conspiracy theorist'.

But did it occur to any of you that the govt's version of Sept 11...that a handful of Arab cowboys outwitted the largest spy network in the world...THAT version of events involves a conspiracy on the part of the hijackers? And 'we didn't expect it', the govt tells you, even after they TRAINED the pilots at Pensacola Naval Air Station.

For years now you have been trained to connect the word 'conspiracy' with 'theory'. Conspiracies are not theories. You've been brainwashed to believe 19 morons carried out Sept 11 as part of a plan...well, since they are supposed to have kept that plan secret, wouldn't that make it a conspiracy? So...is it just my THEORY that the planes hit the buildings?

Five of the hijackers were pulled aside for random checks before boarding on Sept. 11. Known associates of bin Laden in the country on violated visas, and their names were temporarily out of the FBI database.

And now you're wetting yourselves and counting on FEMA to save you when the bogeymen strike again. 'We never EXPECTED the WTC towers to be hit' FEMA tells you, but look at this:

http://www.rense.com/general21/wtc.htm

You are running into the arms of the terrorists. FEMA just finished 3 million new beds to add to America's system of concentration camps. They're sending your children out of the country to be slaughtered and burned, and when the CIA releases smallpox here there will be deadly riots, and when the rioting dies down, foreign troops will move in to either 1) kill you if you have no value as slave labor, or 2) relocate you to a camp where you can make plastic American flags to keep your morale up.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: mack/misophist
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 11:46 PM

Few have ever seen a serious epidemic. During the Spanish Influenza of 1915 (I think), Things were so bad in San Francisco that bodies could only be shipped in air tight containers, When there was no metal left to make them, they began cutting up the vats from the breweries. A man was beaten to death for coughing and spitting on the sidewalk. In such a situation, mass graves and cremation only make sense. Hope it doesn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:36 AM

Sparrow- I went to that page about the Fema book. I thought ok that can be made with any computer so I looked up the book where the picture originated- Terrorism in America by Harvey Kushner and sure as shit, It was real. Barnes and Noble
Yeah I suppose that could have given some ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: DougR
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:47 AM

Art: good try, my friend, but the only thing Mudcatters like almost as well as bashing George Bush, is feeding the trolls.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:54 AM

It didn't give any terrorists ideas. IT WAS A CALLING CARD FROM FEMA. The global crime syndicate made it CLEAR through the FEMA publication what their plan was. By 1999 those hijackers were already trained and waiting. Our own government gave them their targets, and afterwards someone told FEMA to burn the evidence. FEMA is building concentration camps and will be THE biggest problem in your future.

The people who are about to kill all of us are TELLING us constantly what they plan to do. CONSTANTLY. When we're all dead, they'll boast to each other who left the most obvious clues.

As for epidemics...the Pentagon is going to burn bodies in the field so you don't see the body bags coming home. Simple as that. Your enslavement has been thought out down to the last detail.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: mg
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 02:07 AM

if there are epidemics of course they have to burn or otherwise take care of the bodies on site. You can't bring home contaminated bodies. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: leprechaun
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 02:57 AM

Careful Guest, if the wrong person notices all that foam around your mouth, you could get herded into the ravine and shot before you infect the rest of the herd.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass Graves
From: GUEST,FAIRWTHRBUM
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 08:41 AM

BEFORE GUEST CONTINUES WITH HIS MEANDERINGS MAY I REMIND HIM THAT HIS OPEN ACCUSATIONS OF SEP 11 BEING CAUSED BY OUR GOVERNMENT IS PURELY OPINIONATED. IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THIS OBSCURE TERM MEANS PERHAPS HE SHOULD LOOK AT THE NEWS AS OF LATE. IN SHORT, GUEST IS BECOMING EXACTLY WHAT HE LOATHES IN OUR NATION'S LEADERSHIP. READ YOUR ALLEN WATTS AND PUT DOWN THE X FILES. ON THE OTHER HAND HIS HISTORICAL VIEWPOINT IS ESSENTIAL IN TODAY'S SOCIETY TO MAKE INTELLIGENT DECISIONS ON WHAT'S WHAT. BY THIS I MEAN THAT HE HAS A POINT IN SAYING WE PUT SADDAM IN POWER. BECAUSE WE DID!! WE ARE NOT INNOCENT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMMAGINATION AND IT IS COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL TO THINK THAT WE AE. WE HAVE BROUGHT A LOT OF GRIEF ON OURSELVES AND OBVIOUSLY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE. WHAT A PITY. EVERYONE READING SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO ENLIGHTEN THEMSELVES AND READ WHAT DELIA HAS WRITTEN AS WELL. THIS WORLD MY FRIENDS, IS AS MULT-FACETED AS AN EXPERTLY CUT DIAMOND AND NEEDS TO BE APPROACHED WITH RATIONAL THOUGHT AND COMPASSION NOT ACCUSATIONS AND FINGER POINTING. EASIER SAID THAN DONE HOWEVER.