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BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?

artbrooks 26 Jul 03 - 08:52 PM
Little Hawk 26 Jul 03 - 08:08 PM
GUEST,Moloch 26 Jul 03 - 07:55 PM
GUEST 25 Jul 03 - 10:33 PM
*daylia* 15 Jul 03 - 07:46 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 14 Jul 03 - 11:57 PM
Bill D 14 Jul 03 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,Moloch 14 Jul 03 - 05:51 PM
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Rapparee 12 Jul 03 - 11:04 PM
*daylia* 12 Jul 03 - 02:39 PM
Bill D 12 Jul 03 - 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 08:52 PM

May I contribute the idiots who drive while talking on their cellphones to your next repast?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 08:08 PM

Yeah, yeah, pretty impressive, Moloch...

But you are small potatoes next to Great Cth*lh*. In fact without your font you wouldn't look all that scary. Speaking of sacrificing things, I would like to sacrifice a number of the young fools who drive boom cars in this town. Whom should I call? Have you got an 800 number?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Moloch
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 07:55 PM

Okay, shithead. You’ve
gone a pissed me off good
and proper. I told you to
knock it off, but you just
can’t let it go, can you?
Well, you’ll make a nice
snack – nothing too heavy
on the stomach, and
certainly not enough brains
to matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 10:33 PM

Neo-con Schwarzenegger at Bohemian Grove

BEHIND THE COUNT: All eyes will be on the California secretary of state's office today for the big recall count -- but the real plays are going well behind the scenes.

The biggest question, of course, is whether Arnold Schwarzenegger -- who just got back from a European promo tour -- will make this the biggest story of the year by jumping into the fray.

And now that the clock is ticking, the time for playing cute is rapidly coming to an end.

"Everything is set up to go if he says 'yes,' but it's do-it-or-get-off-the- pot time," admitted one source close to the Terminator. "My expectation is that he's talking it over with his wife right now."

One of the keys in all this will be the final round of words between Schwarzenegger and former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan -- who is being urged to run by more liberal Republicans.

"The bottom line," our source told us, "is if Arnold goes, Dick won't. If Arnold doesn't do it, then it's highly likely Dick will -- it's between the two of them to hash out."

From what we've hear, the Republican hierarchy -- especially those close to former Gov. Pete Wilson -- would favor Schwarzenegger. At least that's the word that came out of the Bohemian Grove this past weekend, where a number of state and national GOPers, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, happened to have gathered at a club getaway.


None of this would be good news for Gov. Gray Davis -- who hopes his opponents will be limited to conservatives like Bill Simon or San Diego-area Rep. Darrell Issa.

"There's no question Riordan would be the biggest problem of them all," said one Davis operative. "He's the most liberal, he has a strong name ID in Southern California and you can't pin him as a right-winger -- which is the whole key to the Davis strategy."


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 07:46 AM

Garg, I heard Moloch's one of those new-age vegetarians now -- had a bit of a traffic jam in the colon from a few millenia of that Long Pork diet. Is it true????

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 11:57 PM

I am back from the gathering.

The MudCatters have nothing to fear. (I vouched-safe for their continuance.)

Sincerely, Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 07:12 PM

yassuh, Mistah Moloch, suh!.... I BELIEVES!...I go now, never to darken this thread again...2 warnings am enuf for me!

But, please...won't you go to Texas and bite 'guest' on the butt, so's he'll have something to REALLY complain about?

...bye


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Moloch
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 05:51 PM

I thought I told you to knock it off. I'm giving you fair warning: you'll be sorry if you make me come up there.

Capish?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 03:59 PM

Doesn't matter whether WE believe in Moloch, what matters is that the people running the world do. I'm just holding them accountable. July is their annual get-together. Not worth mentioning? Go back to the bit about Kozlov...height of the US/USSR Cold War, and that pig was being wined and dined at Bohemian Grove. All our 'wars' (including the current 'war on terrorism') are shams. Generated by the people who MEET at Bohemian Grove and other places and plot the next deception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 03:49 PM

Aw jeeze -- put a sock in it, dear, won't you? Please? This meta-delusional paranoia is unsettling to my stomach.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 03:43 PM

repeat....there IS no real Moloch, Owl shaped or otherwise...so sacrifices, real or otherwise, will be useless. Now, if you want me to fret about vague suggestions that there have been real sacrifices of humans, you'l have to offer more than that book on Amazon!!!!!!

You don't need to convince me that Bush and/or other famous people, might get together for silliness sometimes, but I was convinced LONG before you started raving about the Bohemian Grove that I didn't want him in power...for MANY reasons.

Now PLEASE go away.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 03:10 PM

Anti-Bohemian Grove Protest

Type in 'Moloch': In the Bible, the god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians to whom children were sacrificed.

Type in 'Moloch'


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 04:07 PM

What is Proof? The things been reported on for a hundred years. I have video of one of the ceremonies. Take what you want from that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 03:48 PM

since there IS no 'Moloch' to worship, who cares? I don't care if they burn Barbie dolls at the feet of a staute of Elvis.

I can only vote, and I WILL vote against the Bush, no matter what his religion and superstitions.

(did I mention that you have no 'real' proof?? And that you have little concept of what 'proof' really is??...oh, yeah...I see I did)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 09:35 AM

Sorry if I ever upset you, daylia. Its just words. But I use them to express outrage at creaky old satanists like Donald Rumsfeld who sold WMDs to Iraq, Iran, N. Korea and is now saying the Iraq war was never about WMDs. Hundreds of video clips of him using that as justification to invade (on account of the weapons HE sold them), and now he denies it. I mean, the guy is either senile, arrogant or convinced he's hiding behind some magical cloak of invisibility. Its like those guys are practicing magical thinking...just sacrifice a child and you're invincible for another year. That IS how they think. At Bohemian Grove they have the annual 'Cremation of Care' ceremony, after which GWBush says 'Bring 'em on!' and a couple more American troops get killed. Delusional monsters in the White House. They worship Moloch at Bohemian Grove.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: rangeroger
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 12:59 AM

Ah yes, Long Pork,The "Other" White Meat.

rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 11:04 PM

Far, far worse than you think. Something must be done with all those sacrificed bodies, and now we know what it is!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 02:39 PM

GUEST, maybe you've got this confused with "Malarch", the Father of all "Malarchey"?

;>) I'm just trying to be funny, so don't get mad okay? I've felt your angry energy before, reading your posts -- it's pretty deep and very cold. Think whatever you will about whatever you want of course!

Be well --- daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 12:51 PM

trying again

oh, it's MUCH worse than you think!

(BTW-thanks, Moloch--glad you could stop by and clear that up...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 12:45 PM

oh, it's MUCH worse than you think!>/a>

(BTW-thanks, Moloch--glad you could stop by and clear that up...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 11:14 AM

Look at THIS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 08:31 PM

The Franklin Coverup

If you read only one non-fiction book this year, make it this one. This former state senator from Nebraska had the goods on the Bushes and Hunter Thompson and others connected with Bohemian Grove. Actual testimony from cases, etc. Amazing. Project Monarch being used by the CIA to use kids as cocaine mules. Hunter Thompson blowing the head off one kid and making the other engage in necrophilia...at Bohemian Grove. Non-partisan, too, as Robert Byrd (D-WV) is revealed to be the chief satanist in the US govt. This is absolutely the most disturbing book I've ever read. John DeCamp evacuated 3000+ kids from Viet Nam while he was there, then he returned to the US to serve in politics. He sounds like one of the few people I'd trust my life to just on the strength of his writings...an absolutely decent human being who stumbled across the most decadent behavior imaginable...being carried out by the leaders of the US. A stunning book. Buy it, read it, pass it on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Moloch
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 02:41 PM

Aw, man, not this crap again!

Listen, I don't deal with such people as bankers and CEOs and politicians. Not now, not ever. Got it? Now drop it!

I have certain standards to maintain, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 02:07 PM

Oh no - not this old thread again!

He's ba-aaaaaack........


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 03 - 12:54 PM

BOHEMIAN GROVE...

"...The President said that Mr. Kozlov would have a good time in the United States and that everybody would be ready to talk freely to him. In this connection he expressed satisfaction that Mr. Kozlov would visit Bohemian Grove in California, which is located in beautiful surroundings./10/..."

US State Dept Document

There was some discussion of Bohemian Grove on this thread, so I'll add this here. The linked document shows that Kruschev's right-hand man visited Bohemian Grove at the height of the Cold War. The international banking elite created communism as a foe of capitalism. You can't sell arms and foment wars without enemies, so communism was created as an enemy. Now 'terrorism' is the enemy of the day.

There are no enemies but those the bankers create. And Bohemian Grove is one of the places where they calmly discuss their atrocities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Gervase
Date: 29 May 03 - 03:35 AM

Control my fear?
Dear 'Guest', it's my laughter I'm trying to control. Seriously, though, you really should seek medical attention. Bush is certainly an arsehole, but human sacrifice? Oy veh!!!!!

(Have you seen the small green eyes hidden on your Windows login-screen, by the way. They're looking at your every move and reporting back to Zog. They really are, you know!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 03 - 01:04 PM

MFN was issued year by year, because of human rights abuses. Bush # 2 made it permanent. One of his first presidential acts as a 'conservative' was to grant permanent MFN status to the ChiComs. Bush is not a conservative, just as he is not a Christian. He belongs to a club that practices human sacrifice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:42 PM

Odd, somehow I remember seeing Tienamen Square on television. Seems to me that neither laptops nor good PC video were widely available in 1989. BTW DG, China has had "most favored nation" trading status since 1980, when it was extended to them by President Carter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:26 PM

You should try to control your fear, Gervase, rather than let it control you. The internet is the Jeffersonian dream bearing fruit. The US govt is trying to become more and more secretive at the moment in history when that is becoming less and less possible. The internet allowed the world to see the massacre in Tienamen Square, and that set the cause of tyrannical globalism back a crucial ten years. Because of laptop computers beaming those pictures, Clinton could never get Most Favored Nation trade status for the communist Chinese. If he had, the US would be dead by now. But we got a breather, and the Organized Criminals overstepped on Sept 11. Make use of this window of opportunity before it closes. The people in charge practice human sacrifice. If they get total control...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Gervase
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:09 PM

I mean, 'care in the community' sounded like a good idea at the time, but I had no idea that it meant that truly insane people would be allowed unfettered access to the internet. Surely there's something that can be done?
If there is a global conspiracy, why don't they sacrifice loons like 'Guest' above? (Probably for the same reason that aliens always abduct and anally probe some thick septic from Shitsville USA rather than landing on the Mall, I suppose) AOL has a heck of a lot to answer for...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:48 AM

These people sacrifice humans. Have for thousands of years.

Lately, ordinary people have begun 'waking up' to the true nature of the ruling elite. This is scaring the elite, and they are having to make small confessions. Like Rumsfeld admitting to membership at Bohemian Grove. That is a HUGE admission, but it is buried in a DoD web page. The ruling elite is panicking. Resistance to tyranny is growing around the world. The Iraqis are getting a big dose of reality therapy right now, and the example is not being lost on the rest of the world.

Memes

Ideas are catching on...resistance is growing. This is a great time to be alive because we are going to throw these parasites off once and for all. We have total knowledge now. The people who have perverted humanity are doomed:

Tip of the Iceberg

For awarding re-building contracts to Halliburton with no competing bids, the Bush Administration should be shut down. Just that one action should disqualify them from positions of leadership And they STILL have to answer for Sept 11. Their fall is going to be wonderful, and the Clintons and all the other parasites will be brought down with them. So nice. These scum have just about sacrificed their last child.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,LadyJean
Date: 28 May 03 - 12:09 AM

I don't know if they still do it, but for many years, the University of Chicago's Blackfriars sacrificed a watermelon on Walpurgis night. The abbot or abbess would plunge a knife into the unfortunate mellon, after which, the victim would be eaten.
Blackfriars is a highly subversive organization, they perform musicals. Milton Friedman used to be one of their favorite targets for satire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 03 - 01:06 PM

...Now, the truth be told, I've been around so long that I also knew Jimmy Doolittle. (Light laughter.) I had several opportunities to visit with him. My recollection is it was out at Bohemian Grove, where he would attend periodically, and we'd pass and visit. He was always so interested. So I do thank you for this fine award which bears his distinguished name.

Like the Hudson Institute, General Doolittle helped to change the world. Indeed, many of the principles that we recognize as so important in the 21st century -- speed, jointness, flexibility, transformation, precision -- were in a sense pioneered by Jimmy Doolittle....

Rumfeld's admission of Bohemian Grove attendance

(These monsters are going to acclimate you to their nightmare in this manner. This is a Dept of Defense link, folks)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:54 PM

Geeze, what gives ???-- I mean, it isn't even October and we've got the Dance of the Inner Bitches screaming through the aether like Walpurgisnacht! Take care ya don't go shaking down any of that firmament, now, ladies. Maybe some hot tea on the break would help? Hot water bottle? Massage?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:37 PM

Maybe it's Satan himself who needs the 'ritual abuse support group'! Who knows, with the Bohemians and the Freemasons and the Dubya's et al never givin him a moment's peace ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:04 PM

Now THAT'S an idea. I post on various forums....do you know of a satanic ritual abuse support group online? Really. I'd like to show them some info.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Peg
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:00 PM

Daylia;
what comments am I supposed to PM to you? I am not interested in a private conversation with you, believe me.
Are you saying you don't want me to post to this thread any more? Well, that is not your decision to make. If you're going to dish it out you're going to have to learn to take it, I'm afraid.

This thread, BTW, is starting to sound like one of those satanic ritual abuse support groups...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:53 PM

Well I certainly don't 'love' stuff like that, and I ain't 'neutral' on it either. But I can work to end it without making myself sick with hate. I do know what that's like! Maybe it's different with you though.
Thoughts and emotions are very much tied to biology, and we're all different that way I guess.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:41 PM

Nah...some things MUST be hated. Burning babies must be hated. Shedding false tears over 7 astronauts while you plot to kill hundreds of thousands with nuclear weapons must be hated. Can't love that stuff and you can't be neutral on it. Hate has it's place but needs to be used carefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:31 PM

daylia - don't get me wrong, I never said there weren't Masonic connections to things like the symbology, etc. It is indeed true that a great many of the "Founding Fathers" were Freemasons, as have been many, many other folks in politics, here and abroad. My point is simply, "so what?" Their membership in a fraternal organization doesn't prove - or even imply - anything. If you could come up with the name of this "order" you had a bad experience with, it might help. The Masons don't use the word much, BTW. They have "Rites" and Chapters, etc. The "Order" terminology is very much a carryover of the medieval/Crusader/Church days, when unemployed knights (after the Crusades pooped out and there was no more loot to be had) formed "Orders" and pretended they were like Arthur's knights (they weren't, not even close; even Malory's depiction of Arthur's "knights" wasn't close to any probable reality). They got rich, the church got mad and decided it needed their money so trumped up all sorts of charges of Satanism and demonism (they musta had a GUEST), and tried them and confiscated their goods. The last Grand Master of the Knights Templar was burned in the 14th century I think. Modern Masons have been connected with these guys (again by the RCC) in order to justify banning the organizations as diluting loyalty to church & pope. I'm doubtful that the "order" you had a run-in with was affiliated with the AF&AM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:28 PM

GUEST, 'hate' is not a wise choice if you value your life and health. At the risk of boring you with something you've heard before, I've always liked this saying - "Hate does more damage to the vessel in which it's stored than the object upon which it's poured".

Whatever is going on, the tyrants and murderers always fail in the end. Takes time, and sometimes it looks hopeless, but history shows that they do all eventually reap what they sow. As everyone does. That's why I try to avoid hating anyone, no matter how 'hateable' they are!

The answers will come when the time is right. As long as people keep seeking them. And choose to act upon them. I hope!!

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:08 PM

I heard the NASA memorial today was pretty occult, as far as numerology and such. I can't watch that garbage...knowing the terrorists are up there on stage setting themselves up as our saviors. But I heard one speaker talked about the astronauts being 'sacrificed', and GW or one of them talked about there being only 'one religion'. GW ran for Prez as a 'communitarian', by the way, which in old dictionaries is the definition of communist. And Gorbachev said in '87 the Soviet Union would only APPEAR to disband. And the President of China calls the Fortune 500 'the supreme flower of communism'. Man...this religo/economic consolidation and cleansing coming up is gonna be a bitch. I mean, when the 'conservative Christian' candidate TELLS the Christians who voted for him that he's a communist, that doesn't speak well for America's ability to think its way out of bad situations.

Interesting thing:
shuttle blew up 9:00AM eastern
WTC 9:00AM eastern
Murrah bldg. in OK city 9:00AM eastern

Don't some claim the 666 mark of the beast stuff has been skewed over the years...that it should be 999? And the numbers 1, 2, 3 show up a lot too in Illuminati occultism, don't they? Don't the Europeans date-stamp with the day first, month second? Then the shuttle was blown up on 01-02-03. God I hate the people doing this stuff, whichever demons they worship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:07 PM

Buck check out the site I posted above about the symbols and slogans on your money (if you're really interested, and not just trying to argue). I think it's pretty credible, and I've come across that information in many volumes/sites about ancient occult symbols and geometry. I'll try to find the 'mathematics' site I originally found the information on last fall, and post it here if anyone's interested. It was the most 'neutral' information I'd found to date.

If it weren't for direct personal experience with the occult practices of ONE (and only one) of these Orders, I wouldn't waste my time trying to sort out any of the allegations - in fact I wouldn't have the slightest interest in Freemasonry at all. But it happened. Hence my interest. And believe me, it had nothing to do with the Shriners!

And I'm not trying to 'lend credibility' to anything! I'm just looking for the truth. So I hafta start somewhere!

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:37 PM

First, that Pravda link did not unequivocally claim that the "Order of St. Stanislaus" or whatever it was is in fact a Masonic organization. Indeed, it went so far as to say "even if it isn't its charter is so much like the masons...." Second, the article didn't claim these guys were doing anything wrong; only that a whole buncha folks were getting their knickers knotted about the fact that they belonged to a Masonic-like organization. Third, I'm well aware of the multiplicity of rites & chapters and so on of Freemasonry. The Shriners, for example, ooh, what a badass bunch they are, providing free medical care to kids. Fourth, the Masons have been getting flak for about 300 years, partly as a result of their claimed (sometimes by them, sometimes by others) association with the Knights Templar, (q.v.) You can search the web and find all KINDS of weird-ass stuff about the Masons - do a google on "baphomet" and you'll end up crawling under the bed. The point is, none of this bullshit has ever been backed up; books have been written, sure, but books have been written about other "bad" groups too (see "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion") and there are folks like you who are willing to lend it credulity simply because you think there must be SOMETHING to it or else why are all these peopl making so much noise about it? The Masons are a harmless, service oriented fraternal order, unaffiliated with any conspiracies to rule the world, believe me. I'd be delighted to see any "credible" (ooh, there's that nasty word again), empirical evidence to the contrary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:30 PM

Sorry Buck, I was assuming you are an American. If you're not, then 'that evidence' is certainly NOT in your wallet every day of your life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:18 PM

Check out the links above Buck, if you're interested. My grandfather belonged to a Lodge in Winnipeg, and he was just a 'regular guy' too. A decorated veteran of WW1, and a linotype operator for the Winnipeg Press.

Like Forum Lurker said, there are many different Rites and Orders and Lodges within Freemasonry, with different agendas and practices. Apparently, not all are into the occult or political/economic manipulation, but some certainly are. And certainly the group I found myself caught up with were! (Not the same one as my grandfather's!)

If they are not into designing and controlling money, then why are their symbols and slogans still plastered all over American currency and the American constitution, for just one example? That evidence is right in your wallet every day of your life!

And why all the bally-hoo about 300 Masons in the highest positions of gov't and business in the Ukraine, according to 'The Pravda' at GUEST's link? There's likely to be at least SOME fire behind all that smoke!

Anyway, I really don't know all the facts, and I am interested in finding credible information about it.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:41 PM

how many Masons do you suppose have much experience designing & controlling money? I mean, really? They're not a small, select group you know. THere are lots & lots of them, all over the place, and most of them are electricians and plumbers and insurance salesmen, etc. Even up at the elevated degrees. My grandfather was a 32nd degree mason and he was a frickin' millwright. americans haven't made a dime out of vampires and werewolves; many have made money out of popular delight in scary stuff though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:02 PM

Americans make lots of money on werewolves and vampires too! Perhaps it's the same with the Masons. They've got a few centuries of experience in such matters ... (designing and controlling money I mean).


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 01:43 PM

Some parts of the world believe in vampires & werewolves, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 01:09 PM

Thanks, GUEST! What a coincidence that my experiences with the Order involved a Ukranian! And those experiences were both highly dangerous and terrifying indeed. If I'd have known what was in store for me, as a woman associated with such an Order (or person) I'd have steered WAY clear. As it was, I'm just grateful to still be around. I'm still trying to understand those experiences, but only in my braver moments!

daylia


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