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BS: UFO's and the Bible

Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 01:43 PM
Clinton Hammond 31 Jan 03 - 01:53 PM
Kim C 31 Jan 03 - 01:56 PM
greg stephens 31 Jan 03 - 01:58 PM
BuckMulligan 31 Jan 03 - 02:00 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 02:09 PM
catspaw49 31 Jan 03 - 02:10 PM
Keith A of Hertford 31 Jan 03 - 02:20 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 02:27 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 02:31 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 02:35 PM
catspaw49 31 Jan 03 - 02:38 PM
Amos 31 Jan 03 - 02:40 PM
BuckMulligan 31 Jan 03 - 02:41 PM
leprechaun 31 Jan 03 - 02:51 PM
Clinton Hammond 31 Jan 03 - 02:54 PM
Kim C 31 Jan 03 - 03:08 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 03:09 PM
BuckMulligan 31 Jan 03 - 03:14 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 03:32 PM
Ed. 31 Jan 03 - 03:33 PM
Raedwulf 31 Jan 03 - 03:53 PM
Amos 31 Jan 03 - 04:02 PM
Rustic Rebel 31 Jan 03 - 04:06 PM
TIA 31 Jan 03 - 04:09 PM
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Subject: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:43 PM

This is my theory on the subject of God=Aliens.

I have believed this for a long time that the 'gods' in the bible were actually aliens.
A good place to start to explain would be the book of Eziechiel- which is the most know for his descriptions of the 'Lord's' ship or cherubin as he describes. Get your bibles out now!
Eziechiel-
1:1-28; This is where he describes the vessel.
2:1-3; he was spoken to.
3:12-14; he was taken up into the ship- something like in a whirlwind of clouds.
8:1-4 He was taken again.
10:1-22; The vessel was above his head and again he describes it, then taken into it again.
11:22-25; the ship lifted up it's wings with wheels.
40:1-4 Alien shows him future visions through mind telepathy.

There is a NASA engineer named Joseph Blumrich that was so inspired by these descriptions that he came up with a patent for a flying vehicle. The Saturn-V rocket.

Exodus-
3:1-8 The angel of the lord appeared in a flame of fire. The bush was burning but not consumed.

There are many chapters in Exodus that talk about the 'aliens' appearing in flames which I percieve to mean lights, and clouds which I percieve to mean as smoke from the vessels.
13:20-22 The 'ship' went before them by day in a pillar of cloud and by night a pillar of fire. Imagine that.
24:9-18; The cloud settled on the mountain (which they seemed to do quite a bit) for six days and on the seventh day took Moses for fourty days and nights.
Kings 1&2-
1; 19:5-13; An alien is hiding out in a cave because the people were turning against them.
2; 2:2-11; The cheriots of fire came to the mnt. and took Elijah up in a whirlwind into heaven.

That almost sounds like abduction stories, where people claim to be taken in the beam of light and they feel like it is a liquid change.
Daniel says they put him into a deep sleep and felt no strength.
Numbers;
More clouds in chapters 9 and 12. In chapter 14 it almost sounds like they are pissed off because the people in Egypt were following other 'Gods' or aliens.

More to follow on the high technology in the bible, and the theory I have on 'the immaculate conception'!

Anyone care to discuss?
Peace. Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:53 PM

Call Eric Von Danikin...

That crack-pot has been saying the same thing for years and years...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:56 PM

I heard a guy on the Art Bell show talking about Blue Apples and some such. He lives right here in Nashville. Hold me back.

I don't disagree, though, that there are many mystical things in the Bible that defy explanation. Some of what this guy was saying last night, though, was WAY too freaky for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:58 PM

The bible tells you not to eat oysters too. I wouldn't trust that book one bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:00 PM

the devil can quote scripture for his (or her, to be fair) own purposes


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:09 PM

The high Technology in the Bible could almost be looked at like a science fiction novel.
Take a look at Ezekiel's description.
The four 'straight legs' of 'burnished brass' with' round feet'.
Like the lunar lander- straight legs with round footpads.
A wheel within a wheel. The UFO transformed into a land rover maybe? And they could turn in any direction.
He says there were torches inside that moved to and fro. Circulating lights?
And the living creatures darted to and fro. He must have seen them running around in the ship.
When he talks about the 'rover' he says the humans were inside and it went where they went.(1:15-20)
when it moved it sounded like water. Like thunder and when it was still they let their wings down.
There was a brightness round about it like a rainbow. Colored lights?


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:10 PM

What is this? Wacky ideas day? Considering the number of translations of language and modernization to text over the years,some by ecumenical decree, how can any of this be taken seriously?

Lots of good stories in the Bible, but I'm with Mark Twain......"It's not the parts of the Bible that I don't understand that bothers me.....It's the parts I do understand."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:20 PM

Give Rustic a break. Is the alien theory more whacky than a supernatural one?
I'm not convinced Rustic, but my son has made quite a study. I'll try and find a link to some of his stuff.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:27 PM

The book was written by men and deciphered by men, but a lot of people believe it. Why believe some of it and turn away from some of the obvious?
I do not consider myself a crack-pot thank you very much Spaw. I consider it naive to believe we are the only ones here in universe after universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:31 PM

Spaw- I mean wacky (not crack-pot)
Thanks Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:35 PM

Then you can think about the story of Noah. The idea that he rounded up animals to go into the ark is a little bizarre. When they actually might have had the intellegence to take DNA samples of each animal instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:38 PM

"I consider it naive to believe we are the only ones here in universe after universe."......RR

Now on that point I can agree wholeheartedly.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:40 PM

Rustic --

I think the key is in the "universe after universe" part.

Problem is that minds are infinitely plastic and can come with anything imaginable, presenting it as "real". While this is all well and good in the centers of self and the imagination of the soul, it has been pretty well stamped out as unworkable in the halls of commerce and material agreement called for by life in the material time-space continuum.

So anytime you bleed reality from one of these universes into the other, you're gonna hit flak, but don't let it bother ya.

I haven't seen material traces of UFOs, current or ancient, but I would sure love to. Barring that I will just have to visit other planes or other spheres to find them! P:>)


A

Spaw is making me an aluminum-foil headpiece. How embarassing is that!!??


A


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:41 PM

Clarifying - I hardly think RR is a crackpot; he didn't make these things up, and they're not, as Keith points out, any harder to swallow than the "standard brand" literalist interpretation of scripture. They're fascinating to speculate on, but in the end "could have meant" is a long trot from "proves." And the whole "ancient aliens" theme has a load of von Daniken baggage to overcome - he was a crackpot.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:51 PM

Gee Greg, maybe there was more Demoic-whatever Poisoning in those days, you know, red tides and stuff, so it might have been good advice not to eat oysters. You should open your mind to the possibility that pollution from spent rocket fuel could have contaminated the waters of the Mediterranean Sea and caused a danger of paralytic shellfish poisoning.

There are many explanations as to why they might not have wanted to eat oysters. In my state, all the oysters are private property, so the only place you can get them is the store. So maybe them bible-writing folks were just trying to protect the shellfish industry.

Who's to know, really? All that stuff got translated into English from some other durn language, and who knows how reliable the interpreters were? So some those of chapters and verses could well have been infomercials.

I for one, am glad we can eat oysters now, and I trust I won't get struck by lightening.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:54 PM

1) The term universe means everything... there is only one universe, and whatever we discover is part of it...

2) "I consider it naive to believe we are the only ones here in universe after universe."

Ummmmm just fer a laugh go to Exn.ca
and click on the "Rare Earth" segment...

It's just one of the better arguments for the "unlikely-hood" (Is that even a word???) of ETs...


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:08 PM

Mister's Uncle Paul has some theories about the food restrictions in the Bible. Most of them have to do with diseases that animals carry. Also I think many of the rules placed on Moses and the children of Israel were for solidarity, to set them apart from everyone else.

Anyway, I don't know what Ezekiel's wheel was. I wasn't there. It could have been any number of things. The fact that it was something in the sky, and we don't know for sure what it was, makes it an Unidentified Flying Object.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:09 PM

Even our government (although they are un-believable also) has a set of 'plans' on how to act when we get 'invaded'. The first thing is all nations are notified through the UN. So we don't go off bombing each other.
back to the bible...

Enoch was Methuselah's father and Noah's grandfather. His Book should have been in the Old testament but was edited out of thr Bible by the Ecumenical Council because of it's controversies. As the Book of Ezekiel's was almost thrown out.
Enoch took many space flights also. There are numerous references of him 'spirited' away in a whirlwind and taken from the earth.
He says the 'angels' showed him many secret things in heaven.
32:2; they went over the summits of the earth and passed above the Erythraean sea, and went far from it. and passed over the angel Zotiel. Another spaceship?
He describes portals or windows in the ship. He saw the stars of heaven come forth.
Pages of this book contain things about the sun, moon, yearly cycles and revolving in circular chariots.

I've got more coming!
Peace, Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:14 PM

we do, of course, have to entertain the possibility that some (many?) parts of the bible are in fact myth, and not "history." Why not apply the same lines of tihnking to Phaeton/Apollo? Daedalus & Icarus?


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:32 PM

ok Buck- why don't we?

Imagine if you will, the idea of a more intellectual spiecies of race, coming to the earth with knowledge of the atom bomb or nuclear weapons.
Then look at the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Two human angels went into town and warned the people of the coming destruction. They were told to escape for their lives to the mountains, lest thou be consumed.
Genesis;
19:24; Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire. Lot's wife looked back and became a pillar of salt. Phoosh-burned up?
The smoke of the country went up like the smoke of a furnace. Mushroom cloud?
Maybe this would explain the walls of Jerico coming down also.
These aliens had the power and to make the people conform they showed their power.
Another theory which I hadn't considered was then they created the great flood to wash the world clean and start over with the 'primatives'.
Peace.Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ed.
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:33 PM

The four 'straight legs' of 'burnished brass' with' round feet'.
Like the lunar lander- straight legs with round footpads


Sounds like a 1970's Coffee Table to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Raedwulf
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:53 PM

"Spaw is making me an aluminum-foil headpiece. How embarassing is that!!?? "

It could be worse. It could be an aluminum-foil codpiece!!!! ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:02 PM

Clinton,

That's a pretty Newtonian "space is a box" worldview, pal...I don't think Hawkings woudl buy it. Even in physics the notion of multiple "universes" is used as a means of explaining some anomalies. And even you will probably allow, for example, that the unbounded and sovereign realm of your own imagination follows some pretty whacky laws if youhold it to the standards of the physical universe.

As for definitions, let me defer to the American Heritage:

1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole. 2a. The earth together with all its inhabitants and created things. b. The human race. 3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place.

Note that definition one is the usual definition of ther materiaal universe. Definition 2b is interesting because it implies a universe of agreement. And definiton 3 would apply to the world of, say, dreams, the future, imagination, or a parallel universe in the physics sense of the term.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:06 PM

yeah- what Amos said!
Even a coffee table would be an extreme in those days!
Another theory I have is on the 'Immaculate Conception'
The alien Gabriel must have artificially inseminated Mary. How else do you explain a virgin that is pregnant?
The wise men following the star. Since when do the stars move, maybe they followed the space vessel in the sky, to where the half alien (maybe whole) child was to be born.
Jesus did have an awful lot of knowledge for his time and many 'special' powers now didn't he? And where was he during those 'lost' childhood years?
And the ressurection. Well that's a good one. I suppose his people came and picked him up.
Peace.Rustic
P.S. I am only stating my beliefs, I'm not trying to convert anyone here.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: TIA
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:09 PM

A criminal cannot walk through a room without leaving abundant evidence of his (or her) presence in DNA, fibers, characteristic dirt grains (remember OJ?), insect eggs, etc. Aliens could not have done anything more than a fly-by without leaving an abundance of physical evidence. Everything found so far has a rather prosaic explanation. Doesn't mean they're not "out there" (statistically speaking in an infinite universe there's a 100% chance that they are, but I suspect they are too far away to visit)


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: GUEST,Bill D witn no cookies, else I would toss th
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:21 PM

*biting tongue....biting tongue HARD* I will NOT comment on this...I will NOT comment on this.....I will NOT comment on this

mmmmfffffffffff......


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:23 PM

Wasn't Enoch the one who "walked with God" instead of dying?


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:24 PM

RR, I think it is at least possible. Get the book, "Link" and read it.....fascinating stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ed.
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:29 PM

LOL, Bill D!


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:39 PM

I suppose I could say they left the pyramids or the statues on Easter Island, or the runways known as the Nazca Lines(believed to form a giant astonomical calender) but your right I have no proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:46 PM

Short review of Link, by Walt Becker. Based on fact and cultural anomalies.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ed.
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:46 PM

You could say anything at all...

What is is that you are actually saying?


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:47 PM

Sorcha-Are you talking about the Bible or the book of Enoch?

Come on now Bill- Don't bite your tounge to hard. Might hurt yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:50 PM

Neither, it's a novel......by Walt Becker.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ed.
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:50 PM

Sorcha,

"Based on fact"?

I think I should take Bill D's advice and bite my tongue...


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:53 PM

Ed- what I am saying is I believe we have been visited, religiously sculpted, and maybe even played with by spieces of other planets. that is pretty simply stating it.
Just caught the link now Sorcha, I will check it out. There are a lot of us out there that believe in this theory.
Peace. Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:54 PM

Yes, god dammit! The ruins do exist!! The numbers do match up. The Aymaran language is an algorithm. Might not have been aliens, but the book is based on Cultural Facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:56 PM

Please notice I did NOT say "facts about aliens" or "based on alien fact".


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ed.
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 04:56 PM

Oh dear...


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:05 PM

So what? What the hell does all this have to do with oysters?


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:05 PM

Read the book, Ed, you might find it interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:06 PM

Lighten up, guys. At worst, discussing this stuff does no harm, at best it gives us something to think about. Inbetween, it certainly is better to dwell on than the stuff going on in the world today. And tomorrow...

One thing about 'skeptics' that always bemuses me is that they seem quick to say, Nah, how dumb. At the same time, they are at a loss or uninterested in speculating as to what else could be the explanation.

Like evolution. I accept it as a starting point (although I do not accept that left to itself, matter builds. My observation says that it rots.) When science says that creation by a specific entity is impossible, i.e., not supported by evidence, it goes on to say that life developed from matter. So, I ask, where did the matter come from? Science says it was always there. Ha. That's no easier to believe than that something was created.

And round and round we go.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:09 PM

I guess my question has always been, if we little bitty human beans were supposed to know where life came from, don't you reckon we'd have found out by now?

Personally I think the answer is probably much greater than any of our minds can fully comprehend.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Cluin
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:21 PM

And everybody knows now that when you crucify an Andromedan, you have to put Kryptonite in his mouth to keep him from regenerating in 3 days.


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:42 PM

Yeah, talk about your sceptics, eh? I've met any number of traveling space aliens who absolutely REFUSE...I mean refuse pointblank...to even consider the existence of something as unlikely (in their opinion) as the Bible. They laugh, they give you pitying looks, they dismiss the idea entirely.

I actually presented one of them with a real physical Bible, just to see what he would do. Well, he picked it up, looked at it scornfully, and riffled through the pages a bit. He then put it down contemptuously and said:

"These things can easily be faked, you know. A kid could come up with one as good as this, I bet. I've seen better fake bibles in that pathetic rag 'News of the Universe', and they printed an article the other day about Osama Bin Laden having a secret base on one of Jupiter's moons! Bible indeed! What a crock! I just don't get how an apparently rational being like yourself can countenance such absolute rubbish. Only a total Earth Cadet could come up with something this stupid!"

I told him to go screw himself with felicitous abandon.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:54 PM

Felicitous abandon!

I like it. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:55 PM

Not only did they leave the pyramids and those lines in the desert, they also left some music behind, of which "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Tutti Frutti" are arguably the best known examples


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:57 PM

I think he assumed I was referring to some exotic dancer...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:02 PM

, if we little bitty human beans were supposed to know where life came from, don't you reckon we'd have found out by now?


The director of the US Patent Office wanted to close up shop somewhere in the early 1900s. He stated on record that everything that would be invented already had been.

So, Kim, I must regretfully reply in the negative, I don't suppose we would have. Our destiny, collectively is in our hands. We're just not very deft with it yet! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: UFO's and the Bible
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:08 PM

"Occam's Razo.....mmmpppppppppppffffff


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