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Subject: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 31 Jan 03 - 11:35 PM I know that with this thread topic, I will forever ruin my reputation. WHAT? The deckman started a "BS" thread! But bride Judy and I were playing a game tonight, trying to remember just how many different brands of cigarettes we could remember from our smoking days. So, I will start the list with these simple offerings: Kools Camels Lucky Strikes Herbert Tarringtons Pall Malls Picune (sp?) Others that you remember ... ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: DonMeixner Date: 31 Jan 03 - 11:49 PM Winston Salem Viceroy Marlboro Old Gold Chesterfield Sweet Capral Doral L & M Parliaments Montclair When I quit smoking they were $.50 in machines. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 31 Jan 03 - 11:54 PM I'm so olde that I can remember that Lucky strikes came in colors: the green pack and the blue pack! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Haruo Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:04 AM Dominos (no, I'm not that old!) It's spelled "Picayune", Deckman; a Louisiana brand, same name as the newspaper. Jezebels (the scented ones that have a soapy aftertaste) Dunhills Rothmans Black Cats (Canadian) Leland |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bugsy Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:42 AM Weights Woodbines Escort Kent lucky Strike Winfield State Express Du Maurier Matinee Embassy Number 6 Number 10 Rothmans Domino (4 for 6d) Senior Service Capstan Full Strength Captson Medium Winston Lucky Filters Ardath Craven A Peter Jackson Berkley Tobaccos Old Holburn Golden Virginia Drum Dumas Winfield Nutbrown And the list goes on CHeers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bugsy Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:44 AM OOH! Forgot... Passing Cloud (always looked like they'd been sat on) Balkan Sobrani (Also available in black with silver tips or assorted colours) Cheers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Amos Date: 01 Feb 03 - 01:18 AM Gauloise Bleu Gauloise Jaune Shermans Slims Sherman's Cigaretellos Tareytons Dunhills on and on.... It was wisely said that you quit smoking by foregoing one cigarette, but when you re-commit, it is to carloads of them. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: nutty Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:20 AM Peter Styvesant |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bugsy Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:31 AM Nutty, I hadn't forgotten that one but wasn't sure how it was spelt. As I rememeber , you needed a poltice on the back of your neck to get anything out of them! Cheers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:30 AM A few more... Benson & Hedges Sovereign Lambert & Butler John Players Special Gold Leaf Gitanes Embassy No 1 Embassy Regal Nelson Players Navy Cut Silk Cut Tobacco: Samson Amber Leaf Cutter's Choice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Genie Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:49 AM And don't forget the best cigarettes of all: "O.P.s" *BG* Former (Thank God!)smoker, Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: jimlad Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:51 AM And Park Drive Turf Sweet Afton Pasha* *Showing my age now,but when I was a kid and we passed a beautiful young woman,we would wolf whistle and sing "Oh Boy! what a smasher Betty Grable smoking Pasha" "Smoke Nelson's and go blind in one eye" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Oaklet Date: 01 Feb 03 - 06:05 AM When I was opening up a fireplace in my house, I came across a packet that had been secreted by a previous bodger. On the front top and bottom - "Walters' Medium Navy Cut Cigarettes"; the sides - "15 Walters' 15" and on the back - "Full size cigarettes blended from choice tobaccos Walters Tobacco Co Ltd London". On the flap it reminds the smoker of their "Super Value". I am not a smoker, but I have deduced that this packet may have once contained fags. It is royal blue in colour. Anyway I just thought I'd post to a thread without adding the number 9 in the text. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:32 AM I've been surprised that, over here in America, no one has yet sued the U.S. Army for forcing them to smoke. Here's the way it worked when I went in the Army in 55, that's 1955, not 1855. At the train depot, heading for a 24 hour ride to our training base, our segeant gave us each $20 and two packs of Camels. I'd never smoked before, but 24 hours I was a veteran. For the next 8 weeks of basic training, several time a day you would hear: "Smoke Break! Smoke 'em you got 'em! Police Call if you don't" Police call meant you had to crawl on your hands and knees and pick up other people's cigarette butts. One quickly learned it was better to smoke than not! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Amos Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:16 AM Callllll foooor Phiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilip Moooooooooooooooooooooorrrrissssssss. :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: ard mhacha Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:33 AM Carrolls Number 1, Sweet Afton had a picture of Robert Burns and a rural scene presumably Afton Water and the first lines of Burns`s Afton Waters. Gallaghers Blues and Gallaghers Greens, the colour we turned when as children we puffed away in the dark of the Cinema. Ard Mhacha |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Frank Maher Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:44 AM In Newfoundland there Were Gems,Flags and Royal Blend.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:14 AM Another Army story: Oft times we had no choice but to eat "C" rations that were packed in 1942. Remember, this was 1955 and 56, so the rations were pretty old and tasteless. But, they did come with a pack of 5 cigarettes inside. They were the green label luck strikes. They also were so dry that three puffs and they were gone. But we put them to good use by filling an empty lucky strike pack with these WW2 smokes. We put them in out left pocket, instead of our right pocket! That way, anytime someone bummed a smoke off you, you gave them the 1942 smokes. They rarely bummed another smoke from you! CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Jeanie Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:42 AM You're never alone with a Strand - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: jimlad Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:49 AM How about Kensitas Hence the OLD,OLD joke Q Why were the gigarettes crying? A Kensitas |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bill D Date: 01 Feb 03 - 10:24 AM I found a pack of Lucky Strike Greens while helping remove old dasks at my university...Remember the slogan.."Lucky Strike Greens have gone to war"? There was a radio quiz show sponsored by Camel cigarettes, hosted by Bob Hawk, where winning contestans were called "Lemacs"...they had their own little singing jingle. " You're a Lemac now, yes, a Lemac now, There $700 dollars, Filled up for next weeks scholars, Bob Hawk will pay you when he hollers YES!, You're a Lemac now." they also listed each week the number of cartons of cigs they had sent to "our service men overseas" -------------------------------------------------- singing commercial for Pall Mall (pronounced Pell Mell)...to tune of "Sweet Betsy from Pike" "I'll tell you a story you'll never forget, A story about you and your cigarette. Enjoy smoother smoking, choose wisely, choose well.. Relax and enjoy yourself, light a Pall Mall. Pall Mall, Pall Mall, Smoke longer and finer and milder Pall Mall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Feb 03 - 10:45 AM Consulate - cool as a mountain stream... I remember Balkan Sobranie but the coloured ones with gold tips were Sobranie cocktail cigarettes. Sobranie black Russian were black with gold tips and smelled like burning donkey s£$t! Capstain full strength used to make me go dizzy but I well remember buying Players medium because the blue on the packet went with my suit:-O If I was feeling particularly flush I would go for Chesterfields because they were what James Bond smoked and came in a cool paper rip-top pack. You could shake cigs out of one handed with the other hand placed strategicaly in the trouser pocket! Eeeeh to be sixteen again;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:46 AM I think Bull durham started out as pouch tobacco for roll-your-own cigarettes. For a while (1960's?), they had ready-made filter cigarettes, advertised with the slogan "We Smoke Slow." They were thick and hard-packed, and I liked them. -Joe Offer, former smoker- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:58 AM jester top bugler samson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bill D Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:04 PM I knew a fellow who hated people bumming cigarettes, so he taught himself to tolerate Picayunes, which were evidently not for the faint hearted, and people seldom asked him for more than one.. (me, I have never had one puff from a cigarette) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Amos Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:28 PM Gitanes! ANd those awful Spanish floor-sweepings called Celtas. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:48 PM Marvels. My brother's choice way back when he used to smoke. I think they were cheaper than the rest. http://pages.louisvilleantiquemall.com/533/PictPage/1921020317.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bill D Date: 01 Feb 03 - 03:57 PM take a look at these items from a collection... http://joeyharrison.tripod.com/Cigarettes.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:11 PM First cigarette I smoked was a Lucky Strike (near the American barracks) aged 5 and was sick for more than a day. They're sold still in Germany in a white-red package. Pure Orientals: Simon Arzt Finas Nil Senussi Pure Virginians: Senior Service Players French: Boyard (black tobacco, very thick rounds, with ordinary and mais paper) [Gitanes referred to above] Old brands, never seen for decades: R 6 Juno Gold Dollar (they had nice comics of the American West, could have been an American firm, but I don't know The pure Virginians and Orientals stopped the production end of last year because of the new health laws in Europe; they can't meet the standards for tar and nicotine any more, or they had to change over to blending (brrrr). Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:16 PM Re: Players Navy Cut. I asked my Canadian brother-in-law what "navy cut" meant, and he told me, "That's so if you drop your pack in the toilet, you can go ahead and smoke 'em when they dry out." Anybody remember English Ovals? And then there were some of the "low-tar" cigarettes like Carlton's. You could get a hernia trying to get something through the filter! Don Firth (smoke-free since June 19th, 1978) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:23 PM Who cares? They ALL smell awful. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:24 PM HOLY SMOKE!!! Will you just look at the number of brands of different cigarettes that are starting to be listed. Somewhere down the road, someone needs to do a count ... I'll bet the number will be amazing. Signed Bob(deckman)Nelson ... smoke free since 1970, and still counting! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Malachy Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:56 PM Aah.. Ard Mhacha..you didn't mention Major! Reminds me of younger days in Dublin. Mal...... (currently smoking Winfield..Aussie cigs) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: open mike Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:25 AM whoa-hate to admit I know anything about this topic.. but no body mentioned Pearl-(like Drum-shag-cut from Holland i think) and remember those Waterfords? they had little beads (wax?) filled with water and you were suppose to squeeze the filter to release the water--like a hookah! and which ones were a silly millimeter longer? and the ones for women (Eve) you've come a long way, baby... and the lucky strike slogan--L. S. M. F. T. L.S. means fine taste... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: ard mhacha Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:22 AM Malachy, I also forgot to mention Kerry Blue,I have been a non-smoker for the past 20 years. Smoked the pipe as well, Condor pipe tobbaco left so much tar in the pipe you would have required sewer rods to clean it. All of them poison, and Craven A had the gall to tell you that their cigarettes were good for your throat. Walter Raleigh between tobacco and the spud, hell roast you. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: *daylia* Date: 02 Feb 03 - 08:33 AM Well, my fellow Canucks might remember 'Export A's' in the green packs without filters. Cost 55 cents a pack back in the early 70's! My dad's brand, and I took to pilfering them from the time I was 10 years old. Those and Colt cigarellos with the wine-tipped plastic filters - yuk yuk yuk! Used to take them out into the forest and practice inhaling so I could smoke without choking or getting dizzy. What a nut! Wish I'd practiced music more instead ... Then I tried 'Belvedere' in the blue packs (don't think they make those any more). Followed by a long stint with Player's Extra Lights. And right now I'm weaning myself off of Canadian Classics - made by Craven supposedly WITHOUT all those chemical additives, 100% tobacco. Doesn't seem to help the 'cravens' though ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:40 AM I just found a way to tie this silly thread into folk music! For years, my friend, the late John Dwyer (Father of Silly River Sage) hated smoking and smokers. I well remember back in the 60's, when it was NOT a populiar thing to do, Jown would glare at someone smoking at a hoot and sing: "TOBACCO'S BUT AN INDIAN WEED!" I also well remember a poster he had in his living room, featuring a woman 'too ungly to be true', with a cigarette dangling from her mouth, with this phrase below: "SMOKING MAKES YOU GLAMOROUS!" Cheers, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: *daylia* Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:55 AM I remember that poster Bob. Used to be on the wall in the Emergency ward . Lovely habit, ain't it? ;-0 ... choke choke ... But y'know, 'Indians' didn't even have the word 'weed' in their vocabulary! No plant was a 'weed' in their concept of the world. So, no offence to John but there's no such thing as an 'Indian Weed'! I saw a 'Tobacco Song' from Newfoundland posted here not long ago - it was pretty funny! Wonder if there's more out there ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: VoxFox Date: 02 Feb 03 - 10:35 AM No one has mentioned the brand sure to stop your friends from asking for one...CAMEO,(Canadian ) A menthol cigarette that my sister would smoke ( I bet it was so I wouldn't bum one if I was cracking for a cig. :o) ) EEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!VF smokefree since 1987. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:11 AM Did anyone else have the classic child smoking tale as I did: Dad caught me trying to smoke when I was ten and he taught the joys of a 5 cent cigar! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: *daylia* Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:26 AM What are the joys of a 5 cent cigar Bob? Or geez, maybe I shouldn't even ask ... choke gasp cough .... ;-) I remember a young Irish fellow who stayed with us for a year when I was a kid. He told us that the first time his dad caught him smoking, he forced him to sit in a closet with the door shut wouldn't let him out till he'd chain-smoked an entire pack. He never smoked again! Hey maybe I should try it .... just hafta wait for one of those really masochistic moments! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:56 AM The "joys" of a good (bad) five cent cigar are twofold: first you get to enjoy the wonderful taste of the cigar melting in your mouth, and then you learn thrift ... as in my Father insisted that I smoke it all the way to the end! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: *daylia* Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:03 PM yuk yuk YUK! I'm goin a little green just thinkin about it ... thanks Bob! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Deckman Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:29 PM Oh ... I forgot to mention that I also got the opportunity to practice my chameleon skills by changing my face color! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:13 PM WARNING!!! THIS POST CONTAINS AN OFF-COLOR SEXIST JOKE THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN, IN LABORATORY TESTS, TO BE TOTALLY TASTELESS AND OFFENSIVE. READ FURTHER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! Nobody's mentioned Newport cigarettes. I was once told by a Newport smoker that it stands for "Never Eat Warty Pussy Or Rotten Titties". If you read it and got offended it's your own damned fault! Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: GUEST,Munchkin Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:28 PM Bruce warty pussies and rotten titties may be unsightly and offensive but not totally tasteless. Try'em with a little ketchup! munch munch munch ... AARRRGGGHHHHHsplatt! On second thought, never mind ... Munchkin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Allan C. Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:41 PM Cavalier was one from way back. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Park Lane! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:41 PM Bob, Dad also had a little caligraphy sign on the back door (the door everyone went in and out since the front door was on the deck over the beach) that said something about not smoking because of humans and other living things in the house. Daylia, that reference to "Indian Weed" was made by the colonial composer of the song. Said colonist probably also thought of Indians as weeds. Anyway, it's a very old song, and I know there's at least one recording of it, either Sandburg or McCurdy. I think it's on an Ed McCurdy album, possibly Blood Booze and Bones or Sin Songs, Pro and Con. I can't find my tapes of any of those here right now, so this is strictly off the top of my head, but maybe it rings a bell? And you haven't yet listed the bane of my young life: my mother smoked Raleigh cigarettes. The fights we had about her smoking were frequent and we never did get through to her. She finally quit smoking cold turkey when she was diagnosed with Buerger's Disease and they did emergency surgery to put dacron arteries from her abdomen into both legs. Dad had a story, about when I was only a few months old and they were budgeting his salary so closely, and the day or two before payday they were walking down the street with under $2 left for the month, debating about buying milk or bread, and mom discovered she was out of cigarettes. She turned and went back for the smokes, paying no attention to his protests. There went the family food budget. And you can see the roots of the frustration that all of us had around smokers, after living with her! Mom was so smart, was great in so many ways, but talk about blind to what she was doing and what people thought when it came to smoking. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Malachy Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:54 PM I just wish it had made me feel sick enough to never try out other brands...Mal (down to 5 per day) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Haruo Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:09 PM Here's a link Jeanie posted with a slightly-wrong URL; not being a Joe Clone I couldn't just go in and fix it... You're never alone with a StrandHaruo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: vindelis Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:21 PM Mother used to smoke Player's Cadets. Father's one (and only), was a roll-up from his father - Red Shag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:09 PM Couldn't see a link either time on my screen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:48 PM
An afterthought (one rattling around all day yesterday, but I was offline most of the day): this isn't true, by any stretch of the imagination. Of course "Indians" have weeds, and had weeds. "Weed" is by definition a plant growing where one doesn't want it to grow. Many indigenous cultures burned vast stretches of forest and prairie to remove plants they didn't want growing there, let alone doing some major trenching and weeding for drainage for both building and agriculture. The statement above presumes too much, based on a mythic representation, what Anishinaabe scholar Gerald Vizenor calls an "Invented" Indian. I had one Indian friend in particular who was as passionately anti-smoking as my father was. Defintely saw it as a weed! Okay, I'm finished, and it was only one short paragraph. I'll tuck my soap box back under my computer desk now. . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Don Firth Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:51 PM Tobacco's but an Indian Weed is in the Burl Ives Song Book (paperback), and it's sung by Raphael Boguslav on his Riverside recording, "Songs from a Village Garret," RLP 12-638. Beautiful lute-like guitar accompaniment. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: MMario Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:56 PM It's in the DT - with tune. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:26 PM I found it later, also, on the McCurdy album "Sin Songs: Pro and Con" on the "Con" side. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: VoxFox Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:06 PM Just flipping through a magazine from 1983 and I thought you'd like to see the number of cigarette ads that were in it. SATIN-spoil yourself with Satin/Salem/Marlboro/More/Saratoga/Virginia Slims/ Carleton 100's/Kent/Merit/True/Golden Lights/Now 100's/Benson and Hedges/Eve. Only four of these were mentioned above. Thank Heaven I quit. :o) VF |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: *daylia* Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:39 PM SRS the information about the word 'weed' was taken from a book by Ruth Beebe Hill, "Hanta Yo - An American Saga'. She spent twenty-five years of her life translating a Mahto (Teton Sioux) 'Winter Count' document discovered in 1865, from the original Lakotah into English, with the help of Dakotah elders. The book was published in the late 70's, and I came across it as required reading for the Religion and Culture course I was taking at university at the time. I found it to be truly a worthwhile and enjoyable read. In the Introduction she offers quite the unbelievable string of English words for which there was no equivalent, even in concept, in the original Lakotah tongue. 'Weed' is one of them - (to the hunting-and-gathering peoples, all plants were useful and all were an expression of 'Great Mystery') - 'assume' 'we' 'guilt' and 'free' are others. I posted the list, as well as her explanation of it on another thread a couple weeks ago in the hope of generating informed discussion, but it met only with ridicule and disbelief, or I'd post it again. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:38 AM Tobacco's but an Indian weed is here. Now, isn't that interesting? A similar song - Contemplative Thoughts of a Tobacco Smoker - was written in Germany some 250 years ago and composed by the great Joh. Seb. Bach. The observations are similar, in the same order, too, and there is another one: "Often I forget the tobacco tamper, and I use the finger instead. If the coal gives such pain, how hot must be hell!" [free translation] The last verse: "So smoking my pipe I can have edifying thoughts; wherever I stand or go - I smoke my small pipe with devotion." [free translation] Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Jim Dixon Date: 04 Feb 03 - 09:52 AM Here are the web pages of some American collectors: ... and a British dealer: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:03 AM Why does the BS filter not stop this thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:17 AM Daylia, "Ruth Beebe Hill, "Hanta Yo - An American Saga'" is more than just a bad joke in any serious literary circles since that nonsense was published. NO ONE takes it seriously, and people who know anything about literature take that pseudo-authenticated novel as an offense against serious American Indian writers and storytellers. I'd drop that one off of your list of "have to read" books immediately. Burn it. Don't ever mention it out loud again. Seriously. For some discussion of the topic, visit here. It begins
NOT FOR SALE SPIRITUAL HUCKERISM BY WARD CHURCHILL "I know of Sun Bear, He's a plastic medicine man." Matthew King...Oglala Lakota Elder The past twenty years have seen the birth of a new growth industry in the United States. Known as "American Indian Spiritualism," this profitable enterprise apparently began with a number of literary hoaxes undertaken by non-Indians such as Carlos Castaneda, Jay Marks (aka Jamake Highwater, author of the Primal Mind, etc.), Ruth Beebe Hill (of Hanta Yo notoriety), and Lynn Andrews ( Medicine Woman, Jaguar Woman, Chrystal Woman, Spirit Woman, etc.). A few Indians such as Alonzo Blacksmith ( aka "Chunksa Yuha", the "Indian authenticator" of Hanta Yo), " Chief Red Fox" (Memories of Chief Red Fox), and Hyemeyohsts Storm (Seven Arrows, etc.) also cashed in, writing bad distortions and outright lies about indigenous spirituality for consumption in the mass market. The authors grew rich peddling their trash, while real Indians starved to death, out of sight and mind of America. . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cigarettes, what brands? From: boab d Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:04 PM what about Club king size Davidoff 555's Consulate Dylan |