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Subject: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:24 PM

O.K. time to vote for your favourite.
Name and location please.
John Kirkpatrick.
Chris Coe.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:25 PM

Saul Rose, where's he gone?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 03:04 PM

Hi Breezy - nice thread!
The Chris Coe I know doesn't play the Malodeon - Duet concertina - like Ralphie , and brilliant hammer dulcimer - but Pete certainly plays the Melodeon. And he is pretty nifty with the basses on it!
I have to vote for Anahata as the best - not because he would never play another accompaniment for my songs - but because he is the most amazingly good musician I have had the pleasure of working with.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 03:05 PM

I think you mean Pete Coe.

Chris is his ex-wife who plays hammered dulcimer and duet concertina
but, I can assure you, not melodeon.

JK is my favourite everything (almost) but the list of top melodeon
players has to include

Andy Cutting
Tony Hall
Simon Ritchie

Anahata
(that last names's not supposed to be part of the list, I wouldn't vote for myself)


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: CraigS
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 03:49 PM

I like John Kirkpatrick playing the melodeon - I can only imagine that a malodeon is a source of malodeur, in which case it's a good job you asked for UK players, which leaves out Spaw!


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:58 PM

Tony Weatherall, Gavin Lewery


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mr Happy
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM

What's a Malodeon ?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Ed.
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 06:05 PM

Tim Van Eyken's not bad

Breezy, Saul Rose got married, had a baby and had to get a 'proper job'


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Bobby's girl
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:30 PM

I bet Saul is still one of the best, but Andy Cutting tops my list!


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:42 PM

A Malodeon is a musical instrument played with maloderous intent by people with cotton wool in their ears- usually for morris. There are only two more noxious instruments in this world - two Malodeons. (after Ambrose Bierce - Devil's Dictionary)


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:43 PM

I would put Andy Cutting first, but JK is not a bad player either **BG**


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mr Happy
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:46 PM

Mr Happy is the best Melodeon player!!


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: vectis
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:04 PM

Ted Clark is a good melodeon player. He is so economical in his movements and utterly reliable in his timing and pace.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,p.mitchell@ mum's
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:16 PM

Saul Rose.

Other than that My mate John, crap on the instrument. However, he is willing to buy beer on the spot, so that makes him great.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Little Robyn
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:01 PM

Yes, JK is probably #1, closely followed by Pete Coe and Tim van Eyken but last weekend (at the Auckland Folk Festival) I heard a couple of others - pretty good too.
Pete Grassby, who can make that box sing, and Brian Peters who puts everything into it.
Well done guys!


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: NobleSavage
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:07 AM

Ditto Tony Hall. Also Rod Stradling.

NS


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Manitas_
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:40 AM

I heardf that Martin O'Connor was born in North London. That would surely make him eleigble for a pretty high place on the list.

How about Luke Daniels? An Danien Barber should be well up the list.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Lanfranc
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:57 AM

"The song is ended, but the malodeon lingers on!"

Is "good melodeon player" an oxymoron? Discuss.

Around Essex, I nominate Nick Whitely, Paul McCann and Steve Delarre. Not nationally notorious, but locally highly regarded.

Paul's arrangement of "Telstar" has to be heard to be believed!

Alan


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: banjomad (inactive)
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:14 AM

What about Sid Kipper on the tremelodeon


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,alex
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:47 AM

no mention of simon carre yet. I think he should be up there somewhere. Saul might have a proper job but he is still playing brilliantly with Chiltern Hundreds and Random


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Source-ey
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 08:50 AM

To my ears most of the players mentioned so far are mediocre. Listen to Tony Hall, Dan Quinn, Kate Howson, Rod Stradling to hear how it should be played


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 10:03 AM

1 John Kirkpatrick
2 J. Kirkpatrick
3 Kirkpatrick, J
4 JK
5 Tony Hall, Pete Coe, Simon Care, Pete Grassby etc etc.
5.5 Johnny Cope (my brother-in-law, who claims he taught Andy Cutting to play the melodeon)
6       )
.       )
.       ) everyone
.       )    else
.       )
n-1    )
n             me


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,LesB
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:51 AM

My favorits include J.K., Simon Care, Martin Ellison, Brian Peters, Sauk Rose, Tim Van Eyken & my mate George Garside (does the beginners workshops at Whitby). That Schantimans not bad either when can be bothered.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:52 AM

Thank you all,yes I did miss-spell it, but was it on purpose?
And I really meant PETE Coe as well.
I've heard many of the names mentioned, btw where is Saul Rose living these days?
I'll be looking forwrd to hearing Anahata at our club in St Albans where he and Mary will be gueting on FRi28th Feb., until mid-night as Mary being Welsh will lead us into St David's day


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:56 AM

for 'gueting' read Guesting.
Gueting = 2 persons playing as guests!
I like Pete Grassby too.
The St Albans town crier? dont know his name.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 01:13 PM

I think a probelm with this is that there are different styles of playing and different boxes.

For me although it's years since I heard him, I liked Damien Barber's very fluent playing on a C#D box. When I heard Pete Coe, it was much more an English style using diatonic boxes which personaly I don't enjoy as much.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Little Robyn
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 01:14 PM

I thought it was Henry Kipper on the tremelodeon?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: greg stephens
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:20 PM

I'm presuming that melodeon refers to a diatonic push-me-pull-you box, and also to the style used on a one-row or a D/G or C/F type box. People who play C#/D or B/C I think I would call button-accordeon. One-row players who can play cajun are a bit unclassifiable, are they melodeon(English name) or accordion(Louisiana name)?
   Anyway, for mastery of the one and two rows, I stick by Tony Weatherall, for style and musical depth( he's got technique as well but that doesn't interest me vastly). And I've enjoyed Keith Chandler as well, and also a guy called Guy I last saw in Newlyn at the Smuggler (I might be wrong on the name of the pub or town, it was a while ago)..


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:39 PM

That's a good point Greg. Definitions do vary and I think the chromatic boxes are more likely to get termed button accordians.

I'm not so sure about the others though. I seem to remember someone, probably Bob Bolton here, saying that in the Honer Catalogue the only ones described as melodeons were the single row ones with the spoon bass.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:53 PM

I'd just like to point out that Saul Rose and Andy Cutting were both sons of Herga Morris and Flowers of May, and Grand Union and Paget's. Johnny Cope was bagman of Herga after Ron Barnett, but I think Andy learnt quite a lot from the playing of Pete Thompson. But everyone learnt from John K.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:46 PM

Saul Rose and Martin Ellison for me. And Chris Parkinson, and Dan Quinn. I prefer JK playing the concertina, because I think he is much more interesting when he is restricted a little bit.
cheers, ec


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Kernow John
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:39 PM

Breezy
Don't know about the best (prob JK for me) but I know the bloody worst! It's definately me!

John


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: pavane
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:23 PM

As mentioned above, there are different kinds of Melodeon. It took me years to realise that the reason I couldn't play like JK was that he had a 3-row with accordion basses (as invented by Jimmy Shand, I believe). At least, that's my excuse.

There is no way that a D/G box like my old Erica can sound like a B/C
or B/C/C# box. Still, I like to hear what Sharon Shannon or Luke Daniels can do. And yes, I remember seeing Tony Hall many years ago, and, like many performers, he was only too happy to pass on some tips.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM

Just trying to think of other styles... I mostly only get to the odd local sessions and don't spend as much time or money on recordings or attending performances as perhaps I should... Of "names", I've only heard Damien in that sort of setting and loved his playing. Another, completely different, but I enjoyed (though IMO, he was more of a soloist rather than a fit in) was the late Simon Knight. Any one else heard him? Some of his tunes were wonderful.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:13 PM

Our own Gervais was for a long time the best melodeon player, because although he could, he DIDN'T - a true gentleman.

LTS

(who lives with 8 malodeons, 2 piano accordions and a bombarde. Thank heaven he got rid of the bagpipes).


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Ralphie
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:38 PM

No.....No.... I should resist...but, it's late at night...Oh Poo..!!

No particular order...OK...Alphabetically, (By Surname)

1. Martin Ellison
2. Tony Hall
3. Dan Quinn

Fine Fellows all...(and unsung heroes)

Honourable mentions to all of the above...except Mr Cutting !!

Love and OBE's

Ralphie x


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:10 AM

Greg: You're right about the button accordion, but for the purposes of this thread I'm rating JK as a fine player on the plain ol' 2-row D/G Hohner pokerwork, though he doesn't seem to be playing it much on gigs these days, and the 1-row which he does some amazing things with.

Eliza: thanks for mentioning Chris Parkinson - how could I forget his stunning "Golden Tango" - amazing! - and Dan and Martin were on a second list that I couldn't be bothered to post, but yes... (And Ed Rennie and many others)

Breezy:
John Kirkpatrick was on at Hitchin last night. And...supported by Robin Huw Bowen! WHERE WERE YOU??? Shame on you, not supporting your fellow countryman. I know where you were. I bet there weren't many Welsh triple harps at the White Bear. I hope it was worth it.
It was a splendid opportunity for John to sing "Here's your harp - welcome to heaven, here's your accordion - welcome to hell!"

Ralphie: what's the beef with Mr Cutting?

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Lanfranc
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:02 AM

Rats!!!

There are not many melodeon players I would travel far to hear, but the combination of JK and Robin Huw Bowen ..... must have been magic.

I treasure my copy of RHB's book "Tro Llaw" ( a collection of 200 Welsh hornpipes ) that I bought from him in the days of Mabsant (1987 - can it really be that long ago!).

Having no harp nor malodeon, I play them on mandolin.

Must watch out for other JK + RHB gigs.

Alan


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:07 AM

Andy Cutting's first melodeon tutor was Pete Thompson - I was around when he had his first lesson. It was on a canal trip to the IWA National Rally at Hawksbury Junction, near Coventry. It was the year they re-opened Blisworth Tunnel and we had a wonderful floating Folk Session (about 6 boats), stopping at pubs lunchtime and evening. There were quite a lot of Herga members involved. Andy became Pete's apprentice (marine diesel fitter), but eventally left to persue his playing career. His later tutor was Ian Dedic.

I once asked Pete Thompson what he thought of his pupil's rise to fame. "What a waste", he said, "He had the gift to be a wonderful diesel fitter, and he threw it away - great diesel fitters are rare - anyone can learn to play melodeon". Mind you Pete does work on some lovely engines - his own boat has a Bolinder and he's the acknowledged expert on early Listers.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:36 AM

Ah - Ian Dedic! Now, in a contest for the LOUDEST melodeon, he's in a class by himself. It was his influence, combined with the failure of my Hohner pokerwork to compete with traffic noise in Richmond when playing for Hammersmith Morris, that led to the aquisition of the Oakwood box that I play now.

Of course Ian is another who must have learned a lot from John K.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: fogie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 06:35 AM

I thought I'd throw in a name not widely enough known. If you really want to know what can be done with a 2-row G D then may I point you to a CD by a friend called Ben Averis, called "Self contained". Ben has one of the the most musical minds we are likely to hear in a folk club, and therein lies his problem. As a botanist in Scotland he has not pushed himself forward, and probably cares not a fig for what reknown should come to him . I know he has corresponded with Tony Hall, and J.K. and they know of him. If you can imagine a Reginald Dixon (theatre organ) concerning himself with composition, analysis, and variations upon almost any tune you could imagine, then you have an idea how Ben plays. I admit that I personally find his style too taxing mentally, and find myself asking WHY DOES HE WANT TO PLAY THIS ON A MELODEON? Why not make life easy and play it on keyboards, and is this what I would want to attempt myself? more technical than simple and happy- but that's Ben for you. He needs to be considered, even if he makes everyone uncomfortable.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 06:50 AM

SIMON KNIGHT
R.I.P


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:16 AM

Fogie : Yes, please do point me to s CD by Ben Avery. Sounds interesting. Where should I look?
(Google is about to be the first place)

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:28 AM

Oops, Averis not Avery - got it now

See
http://www.8ung.at/diatonica/disko.html
and search down the page if anyone else wants to know...

Bulgarian music on a D/G melodeon?
I'm not alone!

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:36 AM

If it was a choice between Tony Hall and John Kirkpatrick, it'd be a hard choice. I think I'd go and hear Tony Hall, because there are more chances to hear John.

"Malodeon player" would be a great name for someone who played really badly. Better not have any nominations for that.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,T-boy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:09 AM

All blokes so far. Any decent women players?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:19 AM

Katie Howson was mentioned earlier.

I can think of other women melodeon players, some very competent but I think they'd be very surprised to find themselves in a "best in the country" nomination.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:48 AM

Well how about Huw Williams isnt he worth a mantion?
Yes White bear threw up Judy who flew in from Knock and sang us a brace of traveller songs.
So only Sharon Shannon got a mention amongst the women, but is she not disqualified by nationality?
There must be some girls out there worth a mention.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:02 AM

Depends whether you count the Irish style (B/C, C/C# or C#/D chromatic boxes, no left hand) as melodeon playing. If you do, there's lots of superb players - somebody mentioned Mairtin O'Connor, I've heard Joe Burke and there are lots I don't know about but it is a very different musical style.

Then there's Tim Edey, a young player I met a few years ago who was playing Irish music on a D/G Saltarelle, Again not much left hand but brilliant, in that musical style.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: IanC
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:21 AM

I'm never very keen on the "who is the best ..." threads but, unlike the guitar thread (where I think I finally established myself as he best) I can't honestly say I'm the best at this as I actually play the instrument.

Also, as far as the melodeon is concerned, there are a number of different reasons for - and styles of playing.

If we're talking (and surely that's all we can be) about our favourite melodeon players then my favourite of all time (single row, for dancing) is George Tremayne. His rhythm and, in particluar, his use of harmony are absolutely exceptional. I don't suppose many of you have heard him.

Bob Cann has always been a favourite too (2/3 row dance and general music), and I learned a lot of tunes from him.

Tony Hall deserves a mention. He's a virtuoso player on the 2-row but it's an entirely 2-row style.

Finally, Gren Morris, a friend of mine who taught me to play over 25 years ago. He has been recorded, but only occasionally playing the melodeon, I think.

Just my thoughts
;-)


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:38 AM

Guest Alex
simon carre isn't he in Tickled Pink? since when has loud amplification been a measure of good musicianship?

Mr Red wears ear defenders when they play and only if TP play ceilidhs and there is nothing else within a 50 mile radius that day.

They are not good for dancing either.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: vectis
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:39 AM

Ah! Tim Edey. Yes, he'll be devastating when he's older, brilliant already.
As to women players Mary Motley from Lewes is pretty good.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:50 AM

I saw Simon Care and Gareth Turner do a gig at Islington Folk Club a few years back. Until then I wouldn't have belived that two blokes playing melodeons and doing nothing else could give a good night's entertainment. No other instruments, no songs, just lots of tunes and humorous banter and no amplification at all. And it was good. I even bought a CD.

I haven't heard Tickled Pink as such...

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Rich A
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:23 AM

Simon Care is a fine example of an English box player, capable of playing with subtlety when needed but giving it some b****** when it's needed.
Saul is another of my favourites, I just love that battered looking Castagnari, such an amazing tone!

Rich


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Mugwump
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:31 AM

Without a doubt ALEC GORHAM this man has class!

See him every Tuesday at The Cricketers pub in Greenwich, London.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: fogie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM

Thank you treewind for finding that link to Ben Averis. Please give him my best regards from Knighton.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:09 PM

And what about Roger Watson (or was it Wilson) who used to lve in Bedford or thereabouts?

Dave Mallinson?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Sophie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:54 PM

I'm surprised there aren't more mentions of Gareth Turner. He's playing with Little Johnny England at the moment and boy, can he play - if I hadn't seen it I would never have believed it possible that anyone could move the bellows in and out as fast as he does. It isn't just speed though; he does slow and melodic just as well as fast and furious. I bought all three albums on the spot!


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:11 PM

Source-ey pinched most of my list with the exceptions of Jeannie Harris and Ed Rennie


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,andy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:03 PM

without doubt SIMON KNIGHT, R.I.P. SADLY NEVER RECORDED


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:28 PM

Just looked to find "Luke Daniels" - found him on my "Fiddle Sticks 2" CD - playing "Pigeon On The Gate/ Tommy People's Reel" as I type - very much to my taste!

Jon


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: NobleSavage
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:27 AM

Anahata--feel no longer alone. I also play Bulgarian music (as well as many other kinds, too,) on my 2-row d/g box. It's an old blond poker work from around 1940 or so. I have also played many Greek tunes as well.

Let us also pause and take a moment to remember Oscar Woods. He was a fine player on the old 1-row. His music was a splendid example of elegant simplicity. Play the "Italian Waltz" yourself and enjoy.

I tried an Oakwood once and it didn't impress me--Maybe I didn't play the right kind?

NS


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Rich A
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 06:18 AM

I've got an Oakwood, best thing I ever bought. Perfect for morris/celidh stuff.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: smallpiper
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:09 AM

Don't know about best but Dave (Mally) Mallinson rates quite high for me.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:16 AM

That is what they are best for.

When I tried several melodeons out at the Music Room shop at Towersey a while ago, the Oakwood was the only one that went into overdrive when squeezed hard and made a sound so loud I had to apologise to people 20 feet away for startling them! That's when I knew it was the one I wanted.

But I've played tunes at folk clubs all over the place an many people have said what a nice sound the box has.

It's also very small - despite having 21 treble keys it's in the smaller of the two box sizes they make. This means it can run out of bellows quckly.

Unfortunately I don't play so much for morris now, more for song accompaniments and it's not the easiest box to control at low volumes. A Castagnari would be better for that.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Rich A
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:39 AM

Yeah, you're right about the low volume stuff on an Oakwood, I've also got a Pastorelle III that I use for subtle tunes.

Rich A


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Jane Bird
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:46 AM

Tickled Pink aren't my favourite dance band either, I must admit (my ears simply hurt too much after about five minutes), but that shouldn't make you think that Simon Care isn't an exceedingly good box player. He also played with Edward II and E2K for some years. He plays *very* well for dancing, and was brought up in with Moulton Morris as I understand.

Pretty much everyone else I can think of has already been mentioned. Outside the UK, now that's another story.

Yours,
Jane


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 01:55 PM

Yes, it is Roger Watson. Dunno if he's playing much
around nowadays. He was with John Tams way back (IIRC,
they did "Pull Down Lads" together, at least that's
what Roger said), and then had his own band (saw them in
1988 or so). Lost touch with him since then, but a fine
bloke. Roger wrote a book on melodeon playing, and recounts
that the editor came back and told him that his scores
left out the markings to indicate when to push or pull,
which gave him a chuckle. . .      ;-)

And don't forget John Jones. Maybe not the flashiest
player, but he loves the music and is a pleasure to
watch.

Cheers,

                            -- Arne Langsetmo


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 06:39 AM

I feel that the late David Haynes, who played with Edward II and the Red Hot Polkas, deserves a mention.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: My guru always said
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:23 AM

Definitely JK, but he does have a way with a pair of trousers :-)


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:05 PM

Pardon?


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:26 PM

What an amazing thread!! I suppose the point is that there really are some wonderful melodeon players around and isn't that great?

So here is another name into the ring - so far not mentioned - Richard Arrowsmith of the band "Hekety" plays with terrific taste and is destined for the "top".

Dave


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM

I now have the Ben Averis CD which fogey informed us about.
It represents just aboput the limit of what can be done in harmonic variety on an 8 bass D/G box. Not only astounding playing but some very clever musical invention.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:25 PM

I still maintain that Alec Gorham can do things with the Mello Dion that NOBODY else would dare attempt/

He's my hero.


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 08 Feb 03 - 07:13 PM

OK folkman, It's getting to be high time I dragged myself all the way down to the session at the Cricketers, to test this hyposthesis of yours.

(a Google search for Alec Gorham came up with the Cricketers photo gallery. I have many friends there but I don't think I've met him)

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: GUEST,Banjoman
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 08:43 AM

Melodeons suck -and blow - the best melodeon player in the UK is the one who dosn't assault my ears with that horrible noise.
The melodeon is the last refuge of the musically incompetent
( JK is not so bad tho')


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Subject: RE: Uks best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 08:54 AM

Get off Banjoman,your out of your depth.
Hope you play with a few pairs of sweaty socks behind your velum.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,longarm
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM

No contest really. It's got to be Simon Haines from 'The Hosepipe Band'
Not a well known as the previous people but needs to be seen to be believed! His wife Val is the best recorder/ whistle/pipes /sax blow anything(well nearly!) person I know of!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 03:29 AM

If Banjoman is a banjo player, he could be on shaky ground!

S


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 04:19 AM

Being just down the road from Moulton I've seen a lot of Simon Care and Gareth Turner in several different combinations and they are very good. And Breezy, Saul Rose plays round these parts with Dan Plews as Dansaul. I can email Dan if you want to get in touch.

BJ


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: fogie
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 04:37 AM

Just to say greetings to treewind, who took my suggestion at face value, I'd be interested to know what you thinks about Ben's CD after you've had it for a while. Perhaps you could leave me a message on my personal page.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Les from Hull
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:34 PM

Many banjo players are on shaky ground. I think that the banjo is a major cause of earth tremors.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:55 PM

Wh changed the thread title? "Malodeon" is a brilliant neologism!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Orca the cat
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:00 PM

I thought this was Favourite melodeon players, which is much more subjective. There are so many ways in which it can be "best",but choosing favourite is more personal. Simon Knight did record a couple of dance recordings with "Show The Lady" available on cassette from Pete Grassby, and a special c.d. was put together by Adrian Tuddenham of Simon's playing and singing.as for choices;
1)Dan Quinn
2)John Spiers
3)John K
4)Tony Hall
5)Simon Knight
ps Sandy from st.Albans Morris used to be the Town Crier, and will know who is now.Orca.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Ralphie
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:13 AM

And......
My Musical Mentor, and brilliant maker of Millet Curry.

The Late Great Nigel Chippindale. Gaw Bless Him.

Ralphie


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Declan
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:21 AM

Simon Knight and his brothers have been regular atendees for many years at a gathering of Musicians and Singers which takes place anually in Ballyvaughan in Co. Clare. This years event takes place this coming week-end.

He will be fondly remembered and sorely missed by all those who attend.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:55 AM

i'll second huw williams as a a great player- anyone seen him do the welsh clog candle dance, while accompanying himself?- brill!

another wonderful player is mike [amos]price of pigeon english.

he's a great siner too,& the d/g boxes he plays sound fantastic.

a great proponent of english dance tunes.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:07 AM

Ballyvaughan... quite a few from the Bangor (N Wales) session used to go to that one - maybe they still do. I kept meaning to go but never got there. Every year they would come back saying how good it was. Hope it goes well this year.

Jon


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Declan
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:17 AM

Yes a lot of the Bangor crew still come over to Ballyvaughan, and I've been to the Bangor session myself a couple of times. I'm looking forward to catching up with them again on Friday night.

Sorry about the thread drift. Back to the nominations...


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: cyder_drinker
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:10 PM

"Guest, Andy" - I have a CD of Simon Knight's playing, recorded
at O'Neill's in Bristol, July 1997. I don't think they're
available any more, unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: cyder_drinker
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:14 PM

Sounds like it's the one mentioned by Orca, a few posts above.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: cyder_drinker
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:22 PM

Bugger, why can't this damn thing wait till I've finished typing before sending a post off. If they are still available I'm sure someone will correct me!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Edward Charles Folkman
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 06:44 PM

Surely the best melodon player is the one that DOESN'T play the damn thing, but chucks it on the bonfire with the banjos!!!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:53 AM

...arf arf...

Yes, Ralphie, Nigel Chippindale was brill.    And then there was Rip Rippingale.

Steve


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:43 AM

Unless I've missed it..nobody seems to have mentioned John Spiers yet...so I'll remedy that right now!!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Malodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:25 PM

still not many women,is it not suitable for them. Is it a MANS instrument?


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Schantieman
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:30 AM

There are a few - one I remember round the N. Herts area in the 80s - but they do have bits that get in the way!

S


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: breezy
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 08:42 AM

what , braids?
I like the idea of the 'Irish' one -handed chromatic, is that so you can play a bodran simultaneously? or drink?
Thanks to all who have contrubuted so far, and was the spellcheck a trap? My understanding and appreciation of the instrument and its players has been increased significantly.
My favoured exponent is Anahata whose touch as accompanist to Mary Humfreys touches the emotions.
Especially as the first time I met them they were audience and lifted the audience with their input when it came to the chorus.
And I like his cello playing.
Friday 28th Feb at the Comfort Hotel St Albans,will end as St David's day begins, with Mary's voice.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Torctgyd
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 09:07 AM

Well, my own choices would be, in no particular order:

Simon Care,
John Kirkpatrick,
Brian Peters,
John Spiers,
Julian Sutton,
Rich Arrowsmith.

I've not hear much of the others mentioned in this list but I've made notes and I am looking forward to finding and listening to their music.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 10:55 AM

Well now this thread has matured and got old and long i've had a browse through. I will now settle for my top three Tony Weatherall, Dan Quinn and Rees Wesson. Tony because of his all round versatility and quirky style: and his ryhthm and dynamics is head and shoulders above anyone else I'm familiar. And Quinn and Wesson because they have made the best English music records I have heard recently.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Tradsinger
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 02:09 PM

Can't disagree with most of the names mentioned in this thread. If you want to hear the really old style of playing, then Stan Seaman is your man.

Tony Gibbons and Roger Grimes are pretty good melodeon players in Gloucestershire.

Gwilym


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: pavane
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 03:28 PM

I can't see me on the list!

Wait until you hear my arrangement of A Rosebud in June.
Or maybe Porteynon Whim (hijacked by Eliza Carthy as The Grand Hornpipe, but missing half the notes)


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 09:17 PM

Half the population of Padstow!!! Well, for enthusiasm anyway....


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 08:05 PM

Somebody was asking for more female nominations. After the recent tour I must add Sheryl Cormier


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:44 AM

I rate Gareth Turner. He makes the music live in such a variety of modes.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Fidjit
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:51 AM

All the above mentioned are better than me, plus evervbody else is better than me. But I'm suprised that Nick Barber's name didn't come up. With two Cd's of pure English tunes (48 tracks on each1) He's got to rate tops.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,BOB
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 04:53 AM

Tony Hall, Alex Goldsmith, Mark Bazeley, Tim Edey, Simon Ritchie, Nick Cook and Dave Brewster- Amazingly good players.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 05:22 AM

Mention of Nick Barber reminds me of another good player introduced to me by Nick - Will Hampson (of Demon Barbers and Bedlam)

Nick has done some great work collecting and publishing tunes - the two "English Choice" CDs are designed to go with the tune book, all published by Dave Mallinson.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 09:26 AM

Andy Martin from Loscoe State Opera
John Tams

I've seen both those guys turn in very good performances - stunning in fact.

I don't know a lot about melodeon playing, but I thought they were worth a mention.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 10 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM

Martin Ellison. Not much flash but amazing swing and almost impossible bass. Listen to Ran Tan Band "Rainy Days".

Spot


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,PaulyWorly
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 01:43 AM

Shame dear ol' Dave Robert's didn't get a mention, he was a wonderful player, had an encyclopaedic knowledge of tunes but was remarkably understated.

But for players still living, Andy Cutting's playing takes my vote.
Tim Van Eyken does a very good impression of him.
And for gutsy, well played tunes I love Sauly's style.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Tradsinger
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 02:47 AM

At Sidmouth last year I bought a melodeon from "The Music Room" and as I sat there trying it out, I asked the salesman whether he played. He modestly replied that he did a bit so I handed him the box. He proceeded to play an Argentinian tango in such a virtuoso way that my jaw dropped. I then found out it was Chris Parkinson who now plays alongside John K as "Sultans of Squeeze". He's well good.

Jon Spiers is my favourite,though as he does exciting things with well-known simple tunes.

(No-one has mentioned me yet. I wonder why?!)

Gwilym


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Ruston Hornsby
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:06 AM

I think we need two nomination categories here, one for high profile (or as high profile as you get on the folk scene) players, i.e. recording artists like JK, Spiers, Cutting and co and a separate category for the "unsung heroes" who play in the pubs, for the morris and so on. There are some great players out there who for a variety of reasons live out of the limelight but in their own way contribute and inspire just as much as the better known players.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 08:38 AM

Nick Cooke. Nick Cooke. Nick Cooke. Nick Cooke.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 08:57 PM

Being in the Colonies, the best I have personally seen/heard live.
In no particular order.
Well Known
Andy Cutting
Saul Rose
Richard Arrowsmith
Brian Peters
John Spiers
Pete Coe

Not so well known
Paul Morris
Doug Eunson

JohnB


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:11 PM

Perhaps this is too far ahead for your current diaries, but Brian Peters is doing an all-day melodeon workshop at the Lewes Arms folk club on Saturday 28th. February 2009 and Tim Edey is doing one on Saturday 10th. October 2009.

As always, the tutor performs at the Lewes Arms in the evening.

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:25 PM

Can't argue with any listed here, but I'll add one no one has mentioned. Might be lost amongst the volume, but John Jones of the Oysterband isn't too shabby. I will say when I think of this first name, hands down is John Kirkpatrick.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Acorn4
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:51 PM

The Melodeons Are Coming

Strange portents are seen in the skies
Ill omens they are borne
And naked Morris Dancers make crop circles in the corn
A comet races through the sky, foreboding on the wind
Strange conjunctions of the planets, these are bad times my
friend

There's chaos on the stock exchange, panic at the ports
The mormons are on their mobile phones, forces on red
alert
Supermarket shelves are empty but the churches have full
pews
TV schedules rearranged to get the latest news

I do not speaqk of nuclear war or asteroid attack
Ofsted inspectors, bubonic plague, no it's far far worse than
that
Not the Martians, not the Daleks, Anne Widdecombe or mad
cow
And even Nostradamus did not foresee what's happening
now

Oh, they came down in their spacecraft, one hot summer's
night
Hideous leering aliens with a green unearthly light
Some had one row of knobs on, and some had two or three
But all were justv as deadly to the likes of you and me


Oh, they breathed through dreadful bellows, through which
the air was blown
Destroying all things in their path with a hideous piercing
moan
With that dreadful mission statement from the planet of their
birth
Saying "death to all things musical that are upon the earth "

The melodeons are coming, cover up your ears my friends
When you hear their ghastly wailing carried on the wind
The melodeons have landed and its very plain to see
That this is the way the world will end....
All in the key of D !

Although they have no life themselves they exist as
parasites
Arttach themselves to a human host for all his natural life
They look so harmless in their cases lying over there
But pick one up and gorgon like it will fix you with a stare

"Oh, pick me up and play me," and no man can resist
As they weld themselves forever between the victim's fists
His muscles go into spasm, his eyes go all aglazed
Condemned to play endless tunes for the rest of his days

Those tunes go round in circles, everybody plays the same
No one can step out of line in this deathly game
It's no good trying to put one down, you will find you can't
Stuck for eternity playing tunes that all sound like Nellie the
Elephant.

It starts off with just one in the corner, with himself he will
play
But like a cuckoo in the nest drives all other instruments
away
And like a siren lures other poor mortals to their doom
And soon you'll have 150 of the buggers all playing in one
room

They mutate like a virus spreding at the speed of light
Drag in more hapless victims to feed teir appetite
Stike fear into the bravest hearts, put a chill into the soul
Ithink I just saw one swallow a concertina whole

The melodeons are coming, cover up your ears my friends
When you hear their ghastly wailing carried on the wind
The melodeons have landed and its very plain to see
That this is the way the world will end....
All in the key of D ! ( or G .. apparently ??)

They gather round in workshops, world dominance to plan
Not content till they possess control of every man
A farewell to all intercourse, conversation is all done
Communicate by nods and grunts in between the tunes

You can't fight them on the beaches or flee to the mountains
high
Only to put off the day when the spider gets the fly
They can penetrate solid concrete, ferret in the deepest
holes
Till in the end we're caught in a trap like rabbits, rats or
moles

For the victims there is no way back there can be no release
Not even a stake driven through the heart can bring them
inner peace
Till death comes as a welcome friend to take away their pain
As they all meet their final end from repetitive strain

The melodeons are coming, cover up your ears my friends
When you hear their ghastly wailing carried on the wind
The melodeons have landed and its very plain to see
That this is the way the world will end....
All in the key of D !

(repeat chorus)


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Fidjit
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 04:03 PM

Well from '03 to '08 And I don't see Issy Emney here. Until now of course.

Simon Care and Saul Rose. John K too. All good.

Nick Barber too. Good man.

Now Anahata, among other things, plays a mean box.

What about Derek Tarrant of Tarrantella now theres one.

Bill Mckinnon too, can give it six.

Chas


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 05:57 PM

It was a typing error right at the beginning. It should have said Chris Cole, although he is possibly marginally better at melodeon throwing!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Marilyn
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 03:41 AM

I am 'owned' by a couple of melodeons that I am learning to play so this thread interested me even though I don't like the term 'best' this or that.

My own favourites are (in no particular order)
John Spiers
John Kirkpatrick
Anahata
Tony Weatherall

I haven't heard some of the others mentioned above so couldn't comment.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 04:15 AM

http://ie.youtube.com/user/cathycook1
heres a good player


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Black Diamond
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:40 AM

what about Paul Scourfield, who also does a mean workshop


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,claire jewell
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:24 AM

I'll place another vote down for young Nick Cooke too. His new "proper" job has meant that he has had to leave the Jim Moray Trio for a bit, but I think he will still be appearing with him at sidmouth and shrewsbury. And with his ceilidh bands trinculo and glorystrokes (the latter are at warwick, towersey and shrewsbury - if you ever want to see two amazing melodeon players (Nick and Richard Arrowsmith) encompased in a heavy metal / glam rock band these gigs shouldn't be missed!)

I'd also like to put in a vote for young emily askew - she's the only melodeon player i've ever seen in a duo context leading the singing whilst accompianing with melodeon, she does it in quite a unique way - and she's got a gorgeous voice too.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:39 AM

Hazel's the melodeon player, Emily's the fiddler.
But apart from that, fully agreed - great talent there!

Marilyn - [excuse my blushes] the cheque's in the post!!!

Anahata


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Howard Jones
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 05:38 PM

"the only melodeon player i've ever seen in a duo context leading the singing"?

OK the "I've ever seen" bit is a get-out, but what about:

John Kirkpatrick and Sue Harris
John K and Martin Carthy
John K and pretty much anyone
Pete and Chris Coe
Colin and Karen Cater
I'm fairly sure Roger Watson's worked in some duos over the years

and that's just for starters

Extending it beyond duos, besides the above there's John Jones with the Oysters, Keith Hancock (and me) with the Electropathics...

PS this isn't intended to denigrate Hazel Askew, by the way, simply to point out that it's not unusual for a melodeon player to lead the singing.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: treewind
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 05:54 PM

Funnily enough, Roger Watson used to work as a duo with Colin Cater a long time ago. I'm not sure which of them played melodeon then - Colin's got a photo (in his downstairs loo, I've seen it) of him and Roger looking much younger - and Colin is holding... a tin whistle, which is an instrument I've never heard him play.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Sue Allan
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 06:27 PM

Frank Lee, better known as the rapper and longsword maker of choice is a fantastic melodeon player ... although most people only hear him playing for morris (and sword, appalachian, clog) where his talents don't shine so much. He plays bass butons chord that I'm sure aren't really there ...


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: banjoman
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:56 AM

"And then there was the late great Rip Ripingale" the only melodeon player who had an "Oh Sh!!t" button fitted. He knew three tunes which all sounded the same.Had a habit of suddenly forgetting the tune and going back to the beginning, which left our local NW team poised precariously with one foot in the air till he got back to the bit he had forgotten. Otherwise a great actor who could convince some people that he really could play. Used to suddenly develop Carpal Tunnel or RSI when any tune he didn't know was asked for. I know because I suffered trying to play alongside him till we finally gave him a snare drum to play - what a great mistake that was - but thats another story.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: LesB
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 09:09 AM

I'll second Frank Lee.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 11:13 AM

DOXY


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: irishenglish
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 04:16 PM

Rod Stradling. Also, two older gents whom I believe haven't been mentioned yet-Oscar Woods and Font Whatling


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Greg B
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 07:48 PM

All of this reminds me of what I love about the instrument, which
has been my personal fascination for quite a long time now.

Thing is, with the English box (no disrespect to the B/C,
C#/D, and other chromatic players) is that everyone comes at
the thing in their own way.

My theory is that an extended period of willing or unwilling
celibacy and long evenings at home is actually required in order
to really get the good out of the box.

Oh, those in stable relationships can master basic chordal
song accompaniments, but the ones who put the "melody" in
"melodeon" probably did so in the company of nothing warmer
than a sixer of ale for a period of months or years.

You would, for example, never mistake Tony Hall from our Martin
Ellison, nor the latter for Rod Stradling or (again) our Brian
Peters. And Kirkpatrick's got his own thing going.

It's precisely the ambiguity of the instrument which makes it so
much more like the guitar than the piano (both of which I also play).

I've stolen a couple of tunes from our Martin, but if we sat
down across from one another and played them, we'd probably
both end up wide-eyed and saying "you finger that passage
like THAT?!?" Or "hold on...what did you just do THERE?"

The fourths-tuned boxes are nothing if not ambiguous. Watch
two good players playing in D on a D/G boxes and you'll likely
find that sometimes one is pressing and the other drawing. Not
so much in G --- those inner rows are stickier, but the outer
row, aye, that's where the magic happens.

That's the fun, really. Working it out. Discovering the syncopation
of a bellows reversal in the midst of a button change that makes
a little 'grace' note when deliberately mis-timed. Three for the
price of two, that is.

There's no other instrument that I've played, other than perhaps
the 5-string banjo, where "practicing" is really such great joy
of discovery, as you never know when, in a tune you've played 1000
times, a little quirky cross will accidentally appear and make
you say, "where have YOU been all my life?"

There is so much of the mental, intellectual in these things, but
then an equal measure of 'muscle memory' required to execute it.
This is the instrument where 'mistakes' have the potential to become
brilliant additions to the capabilities.

Mathematically, they're 'shaped' like Western music-- 1-4-5
circle of fifths ascending and descending, the relative minor.
Years of music theory and I didn't really "get" it until I played
the D/G box.

Physically, that translates into magic for the sort of music for
which they're meant.

Which I guess was the point of the inventors...they wanted something
that the 'unwashed masses' would buy and be able to honk out the
music that was meant for them. Only along the way, because they
designed it to be a natural sound-producer for 1-4-5 music, they
got more than they, and we, bargained for.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Will Pound
Date: 04 Apr 10 - 09:53 PM

Id say Frank Lee and Matt Crum were 2 of the best around atm...but so many great's to chose from.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: mattkeen
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 04:15 PM

andy cutting


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 04:53 PM

here is one of my favourite melodeon players; cathy cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb9QbQODEB8


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 05:02 PM

and here she is again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBbt1EwsZWc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-KRQmg6vk


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 05:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqYME9cQDsY


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 06:51 PM

Andy Cutting...
whom I've known for at least 35 years.
He played a mean triangle too
Kitty


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 06:53 PM

And Saul Rose, though he was still in his pushchair in 1975...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:12 AM

I like this too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKrulqVhN_M&feature=related


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: alex s
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 11:04 AM

Peter Snape (Chorley, UK) is a great accompanist as well as soloist - he's that rare find, a sensitive melodeon player


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Old Roger
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 12:59 PM

I'd vote for Steve Collins who used to play with the band "Shave The Monkey" but now leads a more academic and cloistered life and plays with the completely unknown band "Too Many Whickers". A few lucky souls get to hear him play around where he lives. Stunningly good player.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,HipflaskAndy sans cookie today
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 01:54 PM

All the usual expected/established fine players mentioned above - damn fine!
Kirkpat/Care/Rose/Whitby-Parky(bless!)/Turner/Spiers/Cutting/Van Ey/ Bri Peters....and on.... excellent!

But here's one to watch for - came out of Gainsboro, now based in York - one Paul Young.
There's a young lad that's sure made me sit up and take note.
It aint easy for a young lad like that to get the work - and he's trying to be a pro muso - Hope he blossoms forth, sticks with it - and that you all get to hear him. - Dunc


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Ian Gill
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 04:21 PM

I've seen most of the players mentioned, listened to nearly all of them and played with a fair few. Here are two more names; Rees Wesson and Paul Havell. For my money, as a mere guitarist, Rees plays like Jimi Hendrix or Paddy Keenan, wild and free, but Paul is the Peter Green, taste, touch and timing. He should be better known.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 04:48 PM

Yes, Paul Young (aka "Lost Busker") is a marvellous player now and will certainly get even better. Take notice of Hipflask Andy etc - remember you heard of Paul here first (don't be embarassed if you are reading this Paul - you are that good!)


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,guest just back from the pub
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 05:04 PM

Dave Jolly. Lovely player. Great musician.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Alan Day
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 05:57 PM

I am going to add Mel Stevens to the above names X Rosbif
At home with English and French music a brilliant all round musician
Al


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,John
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 06:42 AM

Julian Sutton has to be one of the top melodeon players in the UK


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Mark Stevens
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 07:02 AM

it has to be Mark ye Morris.
Highly regarded around this locality, nobody comes close to this populist virtue oh-soo ..


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Green Man
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 07:16 AM

Pete Grassby, he's the man who knows the instrument inside and out. John K of course and my old mentor John Yair.

GM


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: alex s
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 08:06 AM

played with Peter Snape last night - he was ACE!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 10:51 AM

I was at Whitby a couple of years ago and heard a melodeon player accompany a youth group of morris in the showcase. It was not any of the really well known people mentioned above - I've heard most of them - but it was an ace performance. I'm sorry I don't know his name - someone might - but I have never heard anyone playing a tune that fitted a dance so well.

Does anyone know who he might be?

Flora ( an average melodeon player ).


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 01:13 PM

Agree with Dunc about Paul Young, but don't forget that he is a seriously good guitar player and his fiddle playing is coming on in leaps and bounds.


I don't know if John (Fiddlers Green) Conolly has been mentioned but if not he plays a mean melodeon.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:11 AM

JK (a notsominor deity) usually plays a button accordion. But making different notes (on the right hand) in/out does that make it a melodeon?


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Martin Ellison
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:18 AM

Mr Red:

The button accordion JK plays remains a button accordion whatever notes it plays.

The melodeons (both one and two rows) that JK plays are melodeons and, for my money, he is one of the very best and an inspiration.

Martin


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 07:56 AM

Looks at list, then looks at facebook friends list....Okay this could be awkward...
Its too hard i'd end up with a very long list.
Diplomatic answer anyone who isn't me who's a melodeon player. ;)


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,antiziorikzar of bath
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 12:29 PM

Are we talking sport or music ? Who really gives a f. . . about who's best ? Those who can develop their own style, innovate and compose original music for melodeon that doesn't sound like the usual tedious, cliched E minor stuff you hear on them, is a decent player in my opinion. The majority of players i have heard in this country could do well to learn a single row and play 6 different keys on it and also make a 3 row sound like a piano accordion as well as a melodeon. Try Tim Edey, now we're talking.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Our Jud
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 11:03 AM

Paul young and john spiers.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 01:23 PM

http://ie.youtube.com/user/cathycook1


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: Old Vermin
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 01:41 PM

Worth mentioning Ed Rennie, I reckon. I was lucky enough to have him playing in may local session way back in the early 90s. The Bismarcks were arguably the best ceilidh band ever.


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: melodeonboy
Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:03 PM

Yes, Ed Rennie! A cracking player! I knew someone had been missed out and I couldn't remember who!


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 06:07 AM

My mate Clive Williams is pretty good. For Irish style C#D playing, Anita Rochford from Liverpool. Donna Harkin from Letterkenny is, for my money, the equal of any player - she was born in England so I'll include her (though I don't know if she'll thank me!).


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Subject: RE: UK's best Melodeon players
From: GUEST,Frank Lee
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:11 AM

Will Pound once complimented me on this thread, but after attending a Haddo concert at Sidmouth (Will & Nicky Pound), It behoves me to return the compliment. Will must be pretty near the top when it comes to all-round ability with the G/D system. He just appears to think through the instrument! And unlike some - he uses both ends of it!


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