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Lyr Req: Young Tamblin / Tam Lin

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TAM LIN
TAM O THE LINN
TAMLIN
TAMLYN


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Barry Finn 12 Jul 98 - 10:26 PM
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AndyG 13 Jul 98 - 05:01 AM
Lester W 18 Jul 98 - 05:48 PM
Snuffy 09 Dec 01 - 08:36 AM
Malcolm Douglas 09 Dec 01 - 10:45 AM
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Subject: Young Tamblin
From: Lester Wahlqvist
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 12:02 AM

Many years ago I had the words to the song "Young Tamblin" but lost them. There were more than 20 verses I think. Does anyone have a copy of this song?


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Barbara
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 01:13 AM

I think you are talking about that legendary song of way too many verses, Tam Lin.
Try searching the DT, that box at the upper right for either Tam Lin or Tamlin, and see if that gets you your song.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Martin Pearson
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 09:11 PM

Oh tell me the truth young Tam Lin she said If an earthly man you be? I will tell you no lie lady Margaret he said, I was christened the same as thee lady I was christened the same as thee.


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 10:26 PM

Enter into the search box ( #39 ). that'll get you 3 version of Child ballad #39. Barry


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Cuilionn
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 10:43 PM

With sic a history and sae mony vairses, I cannae imagine Tam Lin survivin' this lang wi'oot some parodies taggin' alang. Does anyone ken any o' them, or can ye tell me how to sairch them oot for mysel'?

--Cuilionn


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Subject: Lyr Add: TAM LIN (parody by Les Barker)
From: AndyG
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 05:01 AM

Here y'go Cuilionn;

Tam Lin

I forbid you maidens all,
And a warning take by me,
Don't go down to the Chaser's Wood.
If a maid you want to return, return.
If a maid you want to return.

Lady Margaret, Lady Margaret
She's made haste to comb her hair
And she's gone down to the Chaser's Wood
She's heard what goes on there, on there.
She's heard what goes on there.

She's not pulled one rose-red daffodil
When he's sprung down from a tree.
Lady don't you touch that bloom,
It's council property, property.
It's council property.

And if you touch that red, red bloom,
You'll hang until you're dead.
So she asked for his forgiveness,
All behind the potting-shed, potting-shed.
All behind the potting-shed.

And what they did I cannot say,
So long they did lie there.
Except the earth did move so much,
She had to comb her hair, her hair.
She had to comb her hair.

Four and twenty maidens, all sitting in the Hall
All playing at the chess.
All except for the Lady Margaret,
She's in something of a mess, a mess.
She's in something of a mess.

Then up spoke one of those girls,
On her face a gleeful twitch.
I think my lady is with child.
Oo! she was a bitch, a bitch.
Oo! she was a bitch

Then up spoke another of those girls,
And a pretty-little-girl was she.
You must go back to the Chaser's Wood,
For to twine the babe from thee, from thee.
For to twine the babe from thee.

Go straight to the heart of the Chaser's Wood,
And wear a scarlet fez,
Stand on your head for half an hour,
That's what my granny says, she says.
That's what my granny says.

Lady Margaret went down to the Chaser's Wood,
Just as fast as she could tear.
Pausing only forty minutes,
For to comb her golden hair, her hair.
To comb her golden hair.

She went straight to the heart of the Chaser's Wood.
A fez upon her head.
You can't stand on your head round here,
A voice behind her said, it said.
A voice behind her said.

Tomorrow he said you will be hanged,
And must leave the Church of Rome,
And pay a fine of seven and six,
Or I'll confiscate your comb, your comb.
I'll confiscate your comb.

Yet you may live if you will help me,
The young park-keeper said.
I will tell to you my story.
Come behind the potting-shed, potting-shed.
Come behind the potting-shed.

As I rode out, on a bitter, bitter day,
'Twas from my horse I fell.
And the queen of the elvens she did take me,
In yonder green wood to dwell, to dwell.
In yonder green wood to dwell.

It is the seventh, seventh year,
And I must pay the toll of Hell.
She knew his words were truthful,
And he almost did as well, as well.
He almost did as well.

Though I will change all in your arms,
Yet you must hold me near.
For I am the father of your child.
She said "I'm glad we've got that clear.", that clear
I'm glad we've got that clear.

So she ran down to the old mill bridge,
All through the moonlit wood.
And her hair it shone like finest gold,
And so it bloody should, it should.
And so it bloody should.

First there came a black horse, and then there came a brown,
And they pulled the devil's coach.
She threw her arms around her love,
He very nearly choked, he choked.
He very nearly choked.

And they changed him then, it was all in her arms,
He'd Jeremy Beadles looks.
But she held him fast, she feared him not,
She knew it was a hoax, a hoax.
She knew it was a hoax.

And they changed him again, it was all in her arms,
"Bernard Manning", she thought, "Oh No!"
But she kept her arms around him,
Well as far as they would go, would go.
As far as they would go.

And they changed him again, it was all in her arms,
The Prince of Wales appears
She wrapped herself around him
And she grabbed hold of his ears, his ears.
She grabbed hold of his ears.

And they changed him again, and Biggles he became,
Down the tarmac they did run.
She misted up his goggles,
And left Biggles flies undone, undone.
Biggles flies undone.

And they changed him again, into John Major,
What she said frightened him so.
My name is Lady Margaret,
And I'm not letting go, letting go.
No I'm not letting go.

"Just one more, my love." he cried,
"One more and we are home."
"Hang on, I'm getting off." she cried,
"I've dropped my bleeding comb.", my comb
I've dropped my bleeding comb

Four and twenty maidens, all sitting in the Hall,
Lady Margaret she is there,
And she knows not her baby's father,
But, My God !, what lovely hair, what hair.
My God !, what lovely hair.

Les Barker/Mrs Ackroyd Band Mrs Ackroyd Enterprises / DOG Records
Gnus and Roses

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Lester W
Date: 18 Jul 98 - 05:48 PM

Thank you everyone for your help.

The version that I had many years ago I transcribed from a lecture/performance given by, I think it was A.L. Lloyd, at Sydney University in 1971. I always thought he'd sung 'TamBlin' - at least I've finally learnt to leave at the "B" after 27 years! The version he sang started off:

"Lady Margaret, Lady Margaret sat sewing at her seem, And she was all dressed in ?, When a thought came in her head she'd a trottin' in the woods, To pull flowers to flower her hat me boys, To pull flowers to flower her hat."

And that's all that I can remember!

The versions that you have all given or directed me too are different but it's wonderful to have found these. The version entitled 'Tamlyn' is very close to the one I used to sing. Thanks again for your trouble. Lester


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Subject: Tune Add: TAM LIN (Les Barker)
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Dec 01 - 08:36 AM

Here's the tune of the Les Barker version posted above by AndyG, and presumably also for TAMLYN in the DT database. Les's seems to be based on this version (the first verse is identical)

MIDI file: TAMLIN3.MID

Timebase: 480

Tempo: 120 (500000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: Eb
TimeSig: 4/4 48 8
Name: Tam Lin (Tamlin, Tamlyn)
Text: C:Trad/Les Barker
Start
0000 1 72 127 0719 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 67 090 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 75 090 0479 0 75 000 0001 1 74 127 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 70 090 0479 0 70 000 0001 1 72 090 0719 0 72 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 79 127 0719 0 79 000 0001 1 77 090 0239 0 77 000 0001 1 77 090 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 70 090 0479 0 70 000 0001 1 77 127 0719 0 77 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 77 090 0119 0 77 000 0001 1 75 090 0479 0 75 000 0481 1 79 127 0479 0 79 000 0001 1 72 090 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 72 127 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 70 090 0479 0 70 000 0001 1 67 090 0719 0 67 000 0001 1 72 090 0119 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0119 0 72 000 0001 1 72 127 0719 0 72 000 0001 1 70 090 0239 0 70 000 0001 1 70 090 0239 0 70 000 0001 1 70 090 0239 0 70 000 0001 1 77 090 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 75 127 0719 0 75 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 70 090 0239 0 70 000 0001 1 67 090 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 72 090 0119 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0119 0 72 000 0001 1 72 127 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 70 090 0479 0 70 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 67 090 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 65 090 0599 0 65 000 0001 1 72 127 1439 0 72 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X: 218
T:Tam Lin (Tamlin, Tamlyn)
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/8=120
C:Trad/Les Barker
N:filename [TAMLIN
D:The Mrs Ackroyd Band, CD 'Gnus and Roses' DOG010
K:Cm
c3c G2e2|d2B2 c3g/g/|g3f f2B2|(f3g/f/ e2)z2|
g2c2 c2cc|c2B2 G3c/c/|c3B BBf2|e3c (BG2)c/c/|
c2B2 G/GF/-F2|c6 z2||


WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Dec 01 - 10:45 AM

The DT text was evidently transcribed by ear from a record made by Pete Morton, and contains a number of mistakes due to mis-hearings.  He doesn't sing a traditional set, having apparantly added some bits from other versions to A.L. Lloyd's form of the song, which also appears to be a modern adaptation by him (probably based on the text -without a tune- that James Duncan got from Bell Robertson in 1915), with a tune that may or may not be genuine (as usual, Lloyd seems to have been rather coy about where it came from).

Frankie Armstrong also sings a modified form of the Lloyd set.  Although I haven't heard Les Barker's parody and only vaguely remember the Morton recording, I can confirm that the tune Snuffy has posted is the one put to the song by Lloyd.


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Garry Gillard
Date: 09 Dec 01 - 11:01 AM

My "Tamlyn" page attempts to represent what Mike Waterson sings: it also has Lloyd's note and a link to THE Tam-Lin page.

Garry


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Dec 01 - 11:11 AM

Thanks for that, Garry; evidently Pete Morton got his set from Mike Waterson, and only made a few changes of his own, the majority having been already made by Mike, who obviously based his text on Lloyd's re-write.  That the "new" material came from Child I rather doubt, and Lloyd's comment in his notes suggest that he wasn't convinced either!


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: MMario
Date: 10 Dec 01 - 08:44 AM

wow! coming back after a weekend away is like Christmas morning lately! Thank you both, files have been updated.

Lin-in-Kansas has also sent me a new batch - will update the list with hers later this morning.


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Subject: RE: Young Tamblin
From: MMario
Date: 10 Dec 01 - 08:45 AM

whoops! wrong thread!


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