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Liverpool Packet

Bat Goddess 03 Feb 03 - 09:11 AM
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GUEST,JohnB 03 Feb 03 - 12:27 PM
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Subject: Liverpool Packet
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:11 AM

First off, the song I'm looking for is not "The Dreadnaught" as in Hugill and DigiTrad. Nor is it the tune as in the DT or as recorded by Louis Killen.

The chorus is:

Bound away, bound away
Through the ice, sleet and snow.
She's a Liverpool packet,
Oh Lord, let her go.

The voice(s) I'm hearing in my head is Pinch O' Salt or Joyce & Danny McLeod, but I can't find it on their recordings.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM

Linn-

You're right! That traditional song's not on their own recording, or on The Keelers, or Pinch of Salt, nor on Johnney Collins, Portsmouth Shantymen, or Swansea Shantymen. Puzzling. Maybe they give it a different title such as "Bound Away" or maybe they just haven't recorded it yet.

See you all on Saturday!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:47 AM

Nope, I went through the various cuts and couldn't find it that way, either.

And you mean Baggywrinkle, not Swansea Shantymen?

The voices in my head definitely sound like Danny & Joyce -- I'll have to e-mail them.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: nutty
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:35 AM

This might be the version you are looking for .....
Sung by a group called Jolly Roger

The Dreadnaught

or this version from the 'contemplator' site

The Dreadnaught


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: radriano
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:10 AM

Riggy sings this. In fact, it's on his new CD. Hey RIGGY, where are you?


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:27 PM

It is on a Margaret Cristl (Sp?) tape which I have somewhere at home. I think the song is titled Liverpool Packet on that recording.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,Riggy@work
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:42 PM

Yup ~ it's on my CD & I learned it from Margaret Christl.
Buddies Holdstock&MacLeod sang chorus behind her [ Nice view !! ]
on her wonderful recording.

Rigggy


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:03 PM

No, Nutty, neither of those.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Crane Driver
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:11 PM

Dave does sing it, Linn, but we won't let him record it. His version is so long that most people have lost the will to live before he's got out of Liverpool Bay. It would require a whole CD to itself. When he starts, the rest of us go to the bar for half an hour or so.

"Oh Lord, let 'er go!"

Andrew (of Baggyrinkle - note: no "w")

;-}


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Subject: ADD: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,Riggy@work
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM

LIVERPOOL PACKET

At the Liverpool docks at the break of the day
I saw a flash packet, bound a westward away
She was bound for the west where the wild waters flow
She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord Let her go....

CHO:
Bound away, bound away
Through the ice, sleet and snow.
She's a Liverpool packet,
Oh Lord, let her go.

And now we're a-waiting in the Mersey so deep
A-waiting our tug for to tow us to sea
We'll round the rock light were the wild waters flow
She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord Let her go....


And now we are sailing thru the wild Irish Sea
Our passengers are merry & their hearts full of glee
Our sailors like tigers do walk to & fro
She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go.

And now we are off the Banks of Newfoundland
Where the water's all fishes & the bottom's all sand
The fishes they sing as they swim to & fro
She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go.

And now we're arriving in old New York town
We're bound for the Bowery to let sorrows drown
With our girls & our beer, boys, we'll let the songs flow
She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go.

Riggy


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: p.j.
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:15 PM

It's a fine song, sung very well by our Riggy. Among my favorites of his (and there are many.) By the way Rigs, the one you sang at the Plough last night was lovely. What was it?

And why aren't you working, young man?

love,
pj


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:30 PM

Riggy- looks to me like you nailed it!

Wish I was back in Liverpool,
Liverpoole Town were I was born...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,riggy@work
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:33 PM

Thanks, PJ for the THREAD CREEP & your kind woids.

Last night I put forth my attempt at GARNER'S GAY.
It is Dick's favorite song discussing the clap in
pastoral imagery. Hence, the runny, runny rue.
Also, a quick flash of viagra in the mighty oak,
standing fast & upright, proclaiming undying love.

oooooooooops the boss is watching............

Riggy


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: p.j.
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:46 PM

Dear Riggy,

When you say "It is Dick's favorite song" one must hope to assume you mean the eminent Dr. Holdstock, not, well, never mind. We'll be safe as long as 'Catspaw never sees this thread...

'k, now you gotta post the lyrics, ya know

peej


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:04 PM

Riggy - we have Come All You Garners Gay in the Digital Tradition. Is that the song you sing? Looks like that one is related to "Sprig of Thyme.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,riGGi@Woik
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:15 PM

Hey Joe !!

Who's (William Bartle) ??

RiGGy


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:24 PM

Sorry for the typo in Baggyrinkle and thanks for the words!

Now all I have to do is figure out who I'm hearing in my head. And now I suppose I'm open to the accusation that I'm just doing what the voices in my head tell me to.

Thanks!
Linn


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM

It was from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire that the blind folk song collector Fred Hamer got the set of Come All You Garners Gay that is quoted in the DT. That was in 1960; Billy died in the hard winter of 1962-3. There is a midi made from notation given in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS 1967) at the Mudcat Midi Pages:

Garners Gay

He can be heard singing his set of the song on the CD A Century of Song: A Celebration of Traditional Singers Since 1899 (EFDSSCD02, 1998), issued by the English Folk Dance and Song Society to mark the centenary of the Folk Song Society.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 01:29 PM

Back to Liverpool Packet, what's the tune?

And does the song have an author, or is it trad.?

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM

You'll find a version of Liverpool Packet sung by Mystic's Forebitter on their "Voyages" CD.

Yes, as Crane Driver says, I sing this as a forebitter rather than the shanty version and therefore much slower - and longer!! I sang it on the Motley Crew tape "Sea and Coal" produced in 1990.

Dave R.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 26 Apr 14 - 06:50 AM

another version:

Liverpool Packet sung by Loc Tup


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 26 Apr 14 - 07:52 AM

Lyrics transcribed from video -subject to confirmation,
And if anyone can fill in the question marks.......

Liverpool Packet -- Loc Tup Together

?????????????????????????????????????
I saw a flash packet, bound westward away
She was bound for the westward where the wild waters flow
She's a Liverpool packet, oh lord let her go

CHO:
Bound away oh, bound away oh
Through the ice, sleet and snow.
She's a Liverpool packet,
Oh Lord, let her go.

And now we re leaving the sweet salthouse dock
All the boys and the girls to the pierhead do flock
All the boys and the girls they all shout or roar
She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go.

And now we are waiting in the Mersey so free
Awaiting the tug for to take us to sea
Then we'll round the rock light, where the salt tides do blow
She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go.

She ??????? main topsail ??????? jib sheet
She ??????? fore and aft boys you'll get no damn sleep
Come out boys God damn yers, come out one and all
For over your head lies a bonny black ball

And now we are sailing the Atlantic so wide
That the hands are all ordered to scrub the ship's side
Then he told his ????????????????????????
For kicking Jack Williams, commands this Black Ball

And now we are arriving in old New York town
And we'll head for the bowery and let sorrows drown
With the girls and the beer boys, we'll let the salts blow
She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,Jim in Kerry
Date: 03 May 14 - 07:26 AM

I got these words from a song book printed in 1963 entitled " Twenty Sea Shanties " .

At the Liverpool Docks at the break o' the day,
I saw a flash packet bound west'ard away,
She was bound to the west'ard where the wild waters flow,
She's a Liverpool packet, oh, Lord let 'er go !

Chorus
Bound a-way! Bound a-way! Thro' the ice sleet and snow,
She's a Liverpool packet, oh, Lord let 'er go !

Oh, the time of her sailin' is now drawin' nigh,
Stand by all ye lubbers we'll wish ye goodbye;
A pair of clean heels to ye now we will show,
She's a Liverpool packet , oh, Lord let 'er go!

Chorus

An' now we are leavin' the sweet Salthouse Docks,
All the boys an' the gals on the pierhead do flock;
All the boys an' the gals are all shoutin' hurro !
She's a etc.

Chorus

An' now we are waitin' in the Mersey so free,
Awaitin' the tugboat to tow us to sea;
An' we'll round the Rock Light where the salt tides do flow
She's a etc.

Chorus

An' now we are howlin' down the wild Irish Sea,
Our passengers are merry, their hearts full of glee;
Our sailors like tigers they pace to an' fro.
She's a ....

Chorus

An' now we are off the banks of Newf'n'land,
Where the bottom's all fishes an' fine yeller sand;
An' the fishes they sing as they swim to an' fro.
She's a .....

Chorus

An' now we're arrivin' in old New York town,
We're bound for the Bowery an' let sorrow drown;
With our gals an' our beer, boys, oh, let the song flow.
She's a .....

Chorus
Last time. ............oh Lord let them go.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,eldergirl
Date: 03 May 14 - 08:59 PM

I think it was Four n Aft who sang this at Ellesmere Port 3 yrs back (crikey it's that long since we were there!) And a mighty fine version it was too. Not as well known as it deserves to be?
And I think Hughie Jones sings it to the same tune as La Pique.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 May 14 - 06:18 AM

two versions, good! Got the first line at least.
Loc Tup Together are 50% of Four and Aft.
" Twenty Sea Shanties " was edited by John Clements.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 May 14 - 07:03 AM

Margaret Christl. Liverpool Packet is on her cassette "Fall and Timbre" 1990. Bet someone has the tape at the back of a dusty ole neglected cupboard!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 May 14 - 07:56 AM

STORMY WEATHER SHANTY CHOIR version:
Liverpool Packet

At the Liverpool docks at the break of the day
I saw a flash packet bound westward away
She was bound for the westward, where the wild waters flow
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Ref: She's a Liverpool packet
Oh, Lord let her go!
Bound away – ho! – Bound away – ho!
Through the ice, sleet and snow
She's a Liverpool packet, oh lord let her go

Oh the time of her sailing is now drawing nigh
Stand by all you lovers we'll wish you goodbye
With a pair of clean heels to you now we will show
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let 'er go

Refreng

And now we're a-leavin' the sweet salthouse docks
All the boy and the girls on the pierhead do flock
All the boy and the girls are shouting hurrah
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

And now we're a-waiting in the Mersey so free
A-waiting the tugboat to tow us to sea
And we'll round the Rock Light where the salt tides do flow
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

Oh now she's home you're big topsails hold out you deep seas
Oh she's home for the night boys you'll get no damn sleep
Come aft now god damn yours, come aft make a show
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

And now we're a-sailin' down the wild Irish Sea
Our passengers are merry, and their hearts full of glee
Our sailors like tigers they walk to and fro
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

And now we're a-sailin' the Atlantic so wide
And the hands are now ordered to scrub the ship's side
Now then, holystone boyos, ther bosun do blow
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

And now we are off the banks of Newfoundland
Where the bottom all fishes and fine yello' sand
And the fishes they sing as they swim to and fro
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng

And now we're arriving in old New York town
We're bound for the Bowery, and let sorrows drown
With our gals and our beer, me boys, we'll let the song flow
She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go

Refreng


Stormy Weather Shanty Choir--Liverpool Packet lyrics


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 May 14 - 08:04 AM

Mia culpa. Apologies, no "y" on end of Storm.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 May 14 - 08:08 AM

doh! can't even spell "mea" rite/write/right/wright


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 17 May 14 - 12:18 PM

Liverpool Packet was composed by Stan Kelly-Bootle.
It was released on TOPIC TOP27 "Songs About Liverpool" in 1958

Stan Kelly

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,eldergirl
Date: 17 May 14 - 07:05 PM

Did Stan Kelly write the tune? Cos the lyric is in Stan Hugill's shanties of the 7 seas, think the words are rather older than Stan Kelly..
If the tune as sung by loc tup together is the Stan Kelly one, all I can say is Well Done Stan. Cracking good tune!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: Joe_F
Date: 17 May 14 - 08:10 PM

It seems curious that the original poster specified that the song she was looking for was "not 'The Dreadnaught'", and yet the first suggested text was so called, and even the suggestions not so called have in common with it the refrain "...O Lord, let her go!"

At any rate, FWIW, a version is quoted in Kipling's _Captains Courageous_ (1896):

...With his eyes fixed on the beams above, Disko began this ancient, ancient ditty, Tom Platt flourishing all round him to make the tune and words fit a little:

"There is a crack packet -- crack packet o' fame,
She hails from Noo York, an' the _Dreadnought_'s her name.
You may talk o' your fliers -- Swallow-tail and Black Ball --
But the Dreadnought's the packet that can beat them all.

"Now the Dreadnought she lies in the River Mersey,
Because of the tug-boat to take her to sea;
But when she's off soundings you shortly will know

(Chorus.)
She's the Liverpool packet -- O Lord, let her go!

"Now the Dreadnought she's howlin' crost the Banks o' Newfoundland,
Where the water's all shallow and the bottom's all sand.
Sez all the little fishes that swim to and fro:

(Chorus.)
'She's the Liverpool packet -- O Lord, let her go!'"

There were scores of verses, for he worked the Dreadnought every mile of the way between Liverpool and New York as conscientiously as though he were on her deck, and the accordion pumped and the fiddle squeaked beside him....


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,eldergirl
Date: 19 May 14 - 05:37 AM

Jim in Kerry had the right lyrics, missing a verse or 2 tho, have just checked with Stan the Shanty Man's 7 seas. Kipling was earlier than Stan Kelly so think we can safely say S.K. did not compose it. Dreadnaught, the Flash Packet/La Pique, and Liverpool Packet seem to be closely related, the 3 tunes more or less interchangeable, and verse content similar.
Verse 5 as sung by Storm Weather is way off beam! Should a shantychoir not know what they're singing about?
V.5; Sheet home yet big tops'ls, haul aft yer jib sheets
Sheet home fore'n aft boys, you'll get no damn sleep;
Come aft now, god damn yers, come aft one and all,
For over your heads flies the bonny Black Ball.
(As in the Black Ball Line, of which I know not a lot..)
V.7; An now we are sailin' the Atlantic so wide,
An the hands are now ordered to scrub the ship's side;
Now then,holystones boyos, the bosun do bawl,
For Kickin' Jack Williams commands this Black Ball.

Reckon he was a tough skipper? I must look him up!
Does this help?
'She's home, you're big topsails? Hold out you big seas??
Yeesh. More research, I reckon.
X el


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: bradfordian
Date: 19 May 14 - 09:03 PM

Just to clarify.
Stan Kelly is a false lead.
TOP27 is a 1958 EP entitled "Liverpool Packet" but this song is not included on the disc.
A number examples of this song are around,each with different odd verses missing (as eldergirl noted)
eg by Loc Tup Together,
Riggy Rackin,
Storm Weather Shanty Choir
Margaret Crystl.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet
From: GUEST,eldergirl on another computer
Date: 20 May 14 - 06:28 AM

oh, blasted spell checker again, that should have said Sheet up YER big topsails.. I take it for granted that it understands what I mean to say. always a mistake with technology. sorry guys


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