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Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore upon St. Patrick's

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HASH MY FATHER SCORED
THE SASH MY FATHER WORE


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The Hat My Father Wore


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Subject: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From:
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 06:51 PM

Anyone got a set of words and tune to this? To the suspicious among you - yes, the date is significant!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 07:00 PM

I know that song/tune titles get corrupted over the years. Are you refering to the Orange song The Sash me Father Wore:- starts off as follows;
Sure I'm an Ulster Orange Man from Erin's Isle I came
To see my Glasgow Breatern all of honour and of fame
And to tell them of my forefathers who fought in days of yore
All on the twelth day of July in the sash me father wore

If so then try here Irish@prof.co.uk

Regards Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 07:05 PM

I give up...
Go to www.prof.co.uk
And check the Irish page
What more can I say but I blew it.
Regards
Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 07:18 PM

Hey, Mick - right-click on your screen and pick "view source" from the menu that cames up. Then look what I did to fix your link. You've almost got it - don't give up. Click here for Dan Mulligan's handy-dandy guide to HTML.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 07:26 PM

Thanks Joe
I think I've got the hang of it now. Trouble is by tomorrow morning I'll have forgotten it again. It reminds my of a line from a song by Chumbawumba- "Do you suffer from long term memory loss? I can't remember!"
Or in my case "Do you suffer from long term mememory loss?, No just a bottle of Bushmills!.
Cheers to you all
Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Brack&
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 07:54 PM

The Hat My Father Wore is, I think, an American/Irish song, not the same as the Sash. I have the words and sheet music somewhere but will have to dig it out.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 08:00 PM

G'day anonymous orangeman and Mick Lowe,

I reckon that there are "hat" models for this song, as well as sash versions. In John Meredith's collected material from the 1950s (mostly NSW and eastern states of Australia) there is a "The Hat McGinnis Wore" and, from the same informant, "The Hat Ned Kelly Wore". This is a definite case of an Irish original being remembered along with the Australian reworking to suit new names, new events.

Ned Kelly was, of course, our best know bushranger and there are a lot of songs about him. Many come from the period in which he operated (latter part of the 1870s) and many more because Aussies like to adopt Kelly as a symbol of rebellion and sheer larrikinism. He may be a little closer related in my case - family history suggests my first cousin, four times removed (my great, great, great granmother's sister appears to be his mother!)

I will get the lyrics for these 2 songs and post them (unless I find them already in the DT).

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Brack&
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 09:03 PM

Is this the first verse?

I'm Paddy Miles an Irish boy/Just come across the sea/For singing or for dancing boys/I thiink that I'll please ye/I can sing or dance with any man/As I did in days of yore/And on Patrick's Day I love to wear The Hat My Father Wore

Mick


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HAT MY FATHER WORE UPON ST. PATRICK'S
From: Frank Maher
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 12:04 AM

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE UPON ST. PATRICK'S DAY
As recorded by Billy Murray
(Music by Jean Schwartz, lyrics by William Jerome, 1909)

"Where did you get that hat?" folks ask me every day.
"Isn't it a nifty one?" I've often heard them say.
"Keep it on. It's funny. Can't you see the people smile?"
It keeps me busy telling them the history of this tile.

CHORUS: It's the hat my dear old father wore upon St. Patrick's day.
Talk about respect, with his head erect, as he marched along Broadway!
"Not a man in line looked half so fine," my dear old mother used to say,
"As your father did with that old-time lid, upon St. Patrick's day."

I wouldn't trade that hat for anything on earth.
I keep it as a relic of the land of daddy's birth.
A finer skypiece never covered grey-haired silv'ry locks.
I wouldn't even change it for a Dunlap or a Knox.
CHORUS



    Note from Joe Offer: The Internet Movie Database says that Gene Kelly sang and danced this number in the 1949 movie, Take Me Out to the Ball Game. Music was by Jean Schwartz, lyrics by William Jerome.


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Frank Maher
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 12:12 AM

I don't know the exact date of the Song but I have a Record of It by Billy Murray who made Records in the early part of the Century.From the 1890s to the 1920s.


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Martin Ryan.
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 04:55 PM

Damn!

The "anonymous Orangeman" was none other than yours truly! Don't know how my name got dropped from the "From:" field! Apologies all round.

Thanks for efforts so far. I'll come back to why I raised the question, later.

Regards

Martin Ryan (- belt and braces!)


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 13 Jul 98 - 06:31 PM

G'day all ... and Martin Ryan,

I promised the words to Australian collected versions. These were collected by my friend Alan Scott who died a couple of years ago. I will post them to a LYRIC ADD: HATS ... thread, in case the DT wants to pick them up.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HAT MY FATHER WORE (Daniel Macarthy)
From: Brack&
Date: 24 Jul 98 - 08:19 AM

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE (Daniel Macarthy)

1. I'm Paddy Miles, an Irish boy, just come across the sea.
For singing or for dancing, boys, I think that I'll please ye.
I can sing or dance with any man, as I did in days of yore,
And on Patrick's Day I love to wear the hat my father wore.

CHORUS: It's old but it's beautiful, the best was ever seen.
'Twas worn for more than ninety years, in that little isle so green.
From my father's great ancestors it descended, times galore.
It's a relic of old Dacincy (decency), the hat my father wore.

2. I bid you all good evening. Good luck to you, I say,
And when I cross the ocean, I hope for me you'll pray.
I am going to my native land, to a place called Ballymore,
To be welcomed back to Paddy's land, with the hat my father wore.

3. But when I do return again, the boys and girls to see,
I hope that in old Irish style, you'll kindly welcome me
With the songs of dear old Ireland, to cheer me more and more
And make my Irish heart feel glad, with the hat my father wore.

The air is not the same as the Sash. When I find out how midi it I'll send it on. Mick Bracken


Click to play

The sheet music can be seen at The Library of Congress' website


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: alison
Date: 25 Jul 98 - 01:45 AM

Hi Mick,

It fits well enough to the tune of the Sash. Is it very different?

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Brack&
Date: 25 Jul 98 - 05:56 AM

Very different Alison. Give me a couple of days and I'll send the tune. Will that be any use to you as a midi file? Regards Mick


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Subject: Tune Add: THE HAT MY FATHER WORE
From: Brack&
Date: 25 Jul 98 - 06:21 AM

Click to play


ABC format:

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T:Track 2
M:2/4
Q:1/4=120
K:C
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^G3^GG3F|G6^D^D|F3^DF3G|c3^AG2F2|F3^DC3C|
C6^A,2|^D4^D2G2|^A3GF2^D2|F3^DC2^A,2|^D6G2|
c3c^d3d|c3^A^A2cc|^G2^G2G3F|G6GG|c2c2^d3d|
c2^A4cc|^G2^G2G3F|G6^D^D|F2^D2F2G2|c3^AG2^D^D|
F3^DC2C2|C8|-C8|C8|-C8|C8|-C8|C8|-C8|C8|-C8|
C8|-C8|C8|-C8|C8|-C8||


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Brack&
Date: 25 Jul 98 - 06:22 AM

Someone please let me know if this has worked!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Brakn
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 09:29 PM

refresh


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Subject: Tune Add: the Hat my Father wore
From: alison
Date: 06 Nov 99 - 11:40 PM

Thanks to Mick Bracken for the MIDI

If you'd rather hear the tune without the hassle of translating try Mudcat MIDIs I put it under "H" for Hat.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Micca
Date: 07 Nov 99 - 06:51 AM

Since it is mentioned here will add the "revised words" of the "Sash" but as a new Lyr.Add. rather than clutter the Thread. I hope to hear this tune when i work out how, it sounds interesting.


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 07 Nov 99 - 01:59 PM

Thinking of the Sash,when I saw this the title of this thread, It had my thinking the other way - The Braod Black Brimmer of the IRA.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:
From: alison
Date: 07 Nov 99 - 11:05 PM

don't let the red writing put you off Micca.... you used to have to translate it... now we've saved you the trouble (well Alan of Oz has, anyway), (I still post the red stuff for the people who like ABC). Follow the link at the end of my posting and it'll take you to a tune site.

the tune posted is not the same as for "The sash my father wore". I'll chack to see if it is in the database.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:"The hat my Father Wore"
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 08:42 AM

The Irish Rover A Selection of Irish Songs and Ballads
Dublin: Walton's Musical Instrument Galleries (Publications Dept), 1966 attributes "The Hat My Father Wore" to Johnny Patterson, not to Edmund Ferguson
Which is correct??


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req:"The hat my Father Wore"
From: Brakn
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 11:32 AM

I posted up the original, attributing it to Ferguson. I think that was a mistake. It was almost definately Johnny Patterson. I'll ask his granddaughter when I see her next.

I'm left wondering why I did make that mistake.......I'll have a look....


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HAT MCGUINNESS WORE
From: Snuffy
Date: 03 Jul 03 - 09:06 AM

Five years ago(!!) Bob Bolton mentioned above "The Hat McGinnis Wore". I'm trying to decipher a version of this sung on a wax-cylinder recording of 1928 from the Carpenter Collection (where it is spelled McGuiness"). Web searches have proved fruitless, pointing me only to the Folktrax listing of the recording I already have, and to this thread.

The tune is "The Sash" Here's what I can make out

THE HAT MCGUINNESS WORE

McGuiness was an Irishmen, from Donegal he came
He fought in many a battle and [indistinct] great fame
But a cannon ball it laid him low on some far[?] Yankee shore
And his widow she presented me with the hat McGuinness wore.

  I'ts short and it's shabby, but I love it just the same.
  McGuinness wore it when he first from old Ireland came
  But it [brings back many memories?] of happy days of yore
  As I sail the wide Atlantic in the hat McGuinness wore.

I signed on board the Tennessee but pretty soon I saw
Cocked hats were not the fashion on a Yankee man o' war
So I [stashed?] it in my hammock, as we sailed the salt seas o'er
And that accounts for the present shape of the hat McGuinness wore

  You can talk about your cheesecutters and [indistinct] so grand
  Your fancy man o' war caps, with ribbons and with [bands?]
  You can search the South Seas stations, from Shanghai to Singapore
  But you'll never find the equal of the hat McGuinness wore.

Can anybody help with the blanks? And is there any more of this? Most of Carpenter's recordings seem to be only a verse or two, rather than the whole song.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HASH MY FATHER SCORED
From: JennyO
Date: 03 Jul 03 - 10:10 AM

Then there's Micca's version. My friend Rhymin' Simon sings this:


THE HASH MY FATHER SCORED by Micca


Micca's Comments: Here's one for the parodiests

Tune: the Sash my father wore

It was gold and it was beautiful and it cost 2 pence a gram
He scored it on the ferry coming back from Amsterdam
He said it's just like Lebanese from the bygone days of yore
And when I can I like to smoke the hash my father scored

That green grass and resin so fine
It gives you a feeling divine
It would raise both the dying and the living
That green grass and resin so fine.

When my father died he left to me his house and all his tin
I opened the Good book and found a Kilo stashed within
And now when I'm unhappy and sometimes when I'm bored
I light a spliff in memory of the hash my father scored

That green grass and resin so fine
It gives you a feeling divine
It would raise both the dying and the living
That green grass and resin so fine.

But now the years have passed and gone and all that hash has flown
You can't get stuff like that these days I've even tried home-grown
But I can still remember how upward I have soared
Outflying British Airways on the hash my father scored

That green grass and resin so fine
It gives you a feeling divine
It would raise both the dying and the living
That green grass and resin so fine.

It was gold and it was beautiful and it cost 2 pence a gram
He scored it on the ferry coming back from Amsterdam
He said it's just like Lebanese from the bygone days of yore
And when I can I like to smoke the hash my father scored

written by Mike Patterson


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 08:05 PM

Bob Bolton has now started a new thread with the Australian versions of "The hat McGinnis wore" and "The hat Ned Kelly wore". These helped me greatly with my nautical version above. I have posted a revised and improved version on that thread Lyr Add: The Hat McGinnis Wore (Australian).

So ignore the (very!) defective version I posted above, please.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 09:02 PM

G'day Snuffy,

Hmmm ... about 5 years ago I promised to post both these songs to a thread titled "LYRIC ADD: HATS". I certainly have a distinct memory of posting both songs ... but I can't find the thread in my "Trace" list - and I can't find any such thread with a Mudcat search!

Anyway, now they are in their own thread. I can't compare the various other posted tunes, as the Mudcat MIDI page seems to be down ... and I have trouble reconstituting Alan Foster's MIDItext format. (I should get Alan on the blower and ask if there is a later version of the applet.)

I'm glad these versions helped decipher the Carpenter's version from the cylinder recording. All his has helped me put the Australian-collected versions into context and time.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Jul 03 - 07:54 AM

Bob,

It appears you did post both songs to their own thread back in July 98, but Joe Offer has since moved them into this Ned Kelly thread.

That's why we couldn't find them.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 06 Jul 03 - 11:56 PM

G'day Snuffy,

I'm glad you found them ... I was starting to worry about what passes for my memory!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: GUEST,Matthew Edwards
Date: 07 Jul 03 - 03:00 AM

In the Folk Music Journal Vol 8 no. 1, 2001 pp67-89 published by the EFDSS there is a very interesting article by David Cooper on the transformation of "The Hat My Father Wore" into the "Sash...". If I can manage to do so I'll try to summarise it if anyone is interested.


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Snuffy
Date: 07 Jul 03 - 08:41 AM

Matthew, are you saying the Hat came first, and the Sash is a parody of it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Jul 03 - 08:45 AM

G'day Matthew,

Interested!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr. Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jul 03 - 09:09 AM

Snuffy ... thought everybody knew that

:-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Emma B
Date: 07 Jul 03 - 07:50 PM

Given the date I thought I'd add this 'alternative' Liverpool song

It was old and it was tattered and the colours they were pale
It was covered o'er in patches from the neck down to the tail
And as he walked around the house the hem swept up the floor
A grand old piece of drap'ry was The Shirt my Father Wore


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: GUEST,Matthew Edwards
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 08:10 AM

Given the date I thought I'd better get round to giving a very condensed summary of the article I mentioned earlier.

On the Twelfth of July in the Morning....(Or The Man Who Mistook His Sash for a Hat)
David Cooper, Folk Music Journal, Volume 8, Number 1, 2001, pp. 67-89

Brief summary

David Cooper comments that the loyalist community in Northern Ireland is currently involved in an exercise to validate its own folklore and traditions as a distinctive and autonomous culture.Songs such as the "The Sash My Father Wore" encode messages about 'Orangeness' which are partisan and exclusive, but the 'meaning' of the song owes a lot to the context in which it is performed as well as anything actually inherent in the words or the tune.

For most Protestants in today's Ulster 'their' folk music is that of the marching bands, especially the fife and drum bands with ther 'belligerent and aggressive style'. The tunes played in these processions come from a variety of sources, and some are the same melodies (under a different name!) as tunes in the 'Gaelic' repertoire.

The Sash My Father Wore is one of the most 'Orange' of all songs, which in Ulster and Glasgow, carries a very intense siginificance - an expression of pride and solidarity for the loyalists, and a message of intimidation to nationalists. But this set of 'meanings' doesn't exist outside - others just hear it as a song which is good, bad, or indifferent.

The 'Sash' appears to be a reworking of an Irish music-hall song 'The Hat My Father Wore' attributed to Johnny Patterson, who died in 1890 without having published or copyrighted any of his songs. In its original form it looks like many other comic 'oirish' songs, in which 'Paddy Miles, an Irish boy' returning from exile in America celebrates his Irishness through 'a relic of old decency/ The hat my father wore.' and the song has no explicit political or nationalist meaning. Later variants of 'The Hat' express a more overt nationalist perspective, and the hat becomes a symbol of the republican cause being worn at Slaney, Ross, Gorey, and in 'widow Cormac's cabbage plot' and at Slievenamon and other sites sacred to the national cause.In yet another variant by James Kane of New York the 'Hat' is transformed into the green sash worn in the St Patrick's Day parade.

The first printed version of an Orange 'Sash' appears in a songster Orange Standard published by Mozart Allen in Glasgow in 1936. This is a fairly mild account of a visit to Glasgow by an Ulster Orangeman wearing the totemic sash, and despite a reference to the sash being 'a terror to them papyish boys' the song is more a celebration of the larger loyalist community.

Cooper considers the question of the 'Sash' as a "parody" of the 'Hat', but as there is definitely no humourous intent involved he would prefer to call it an imitation. However given the way in which some themes have been redeployed in the 'Sash' ( the listing of famous battle sites, the appeal to a larger overseas community, down to the copying of exact phrases) Cooper sees the constuction of the 'Sash' as an act of appropriation, rather similar to the annexation of territory in warfare.

He considers the tunes associated with the songs:- the 'Hat's' melody being related to 'Irish Molly-O' while the 1936 Mozart Allen melody for the 'Sash' has some similarities to the 'Hat'. However the present-day melody used for the 'Sash' is a much more march-like style and it seems to have come into use after World War Two. Cooper analyses some affinities with the tune of 'The Lakes of Pontchartrain'.

Cooper concludes by suggesting that if anyone doubts the intensity of the feelings associated with the 'Sash' that they walk down the Falls Road whistling it. [He does not advise this.] "The meaning of the melody...has been constructed by the environment from which the song sprang."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 08:51 AM

Of course the chorus of "The Hash my Father Scored" which JennyO posted is to the tune of another Orange song, "The Green Grassy Slopes of the Boyne". I thought I'd put that down in case anyone was going made trying to fit it to the other tune.

A great tune The Sash. Also fits very well to the words of Kevin Barry, and the other way round. And there's a Scottish Republiucan Song which uses it as well, The Scottish Breakaway.

There was a time when you'd have Lambeg Drummers who'd play for both the Hibernian Order and the Orange Order marches, and those days will come again, once this temporary division is over and done with.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: MartinRyan
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 10:33 AM

I think Cooper rather understates the role of Irish Molly in the story. The shape of the chorus suggests that Patterson (if it was he) was familiar with it and adapted it for The Hat .

During the week, at the Willy Clancy Summer School, I heard both The Hash (twice) and Irish Molly but not The Sash !

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Shirt My Father Wore
From: GUEST,gerry.jones@tiscali.co.uk
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 11:27 AM

Hi; any chance of Emma B sending me some more of "The shirt my father wore" ? I heard it sung in the 60s at the Wallsey Wreckers folk club in Liscard Wallsey, by Packie Byrne, a grand old gentleman of the period.

Gerry.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: MartinRyan
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 06:10 PM

... and still to the good... (Packie, I mean - not the shirt!)

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: GUEST,b byron j.
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 12:41 AM

I've been reading this with interest. I have a copy of published music by my 'ancestor'. He sold it supposedly, and it was then used for the Gene Kelly movie? He is listed as the lyricist?

Any thoughts?
bbj


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: GUEST,bbyronj
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:57 PM

Hi
I wrote a number of years back and am hoping to reach someone still? My Dad always said his grandfather, W.J. Byron, wrote the lyrics to this song, which Gene Kelly then performed in the movie "Take me out to the ball game".
I do have 2 other pieces of sheet music he wrote the lyrics for. One has a copyright of 1918 by him, w/ his name and address. Music was written by ESS Huntington to that song.
The other was published by Frank Harding's Music Publishing House of New York City, shows a copyright of 1928 by my great grandfather with the music written by Herman Dubois.
Please share any information you might have, especially from the other grand-daughter. Email me please at bbums42@msn.com.
Thank you!
Brenda


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:19 PM

Not sure what variant you're looking for, is it The Hat, or The Sash, or what?

I had downloaded an image of some sheet music of The Hat My Father Wore, probably from Library of Congress but I'm not sure.

It has a cover sheet listing it as one of several "Popular Songs Sung by Johnny Roach" "subtitled The Great Facial Artiste".

"Published by E.H. Harding, 229 Bowery" "New York"

On that cover is the imprint of a rubber stamp dated May 15, 1900.


On the first page of the sheet music, they list "Words by Daniel MaCarthy" (sic) "Sung by Johnny Roach" and no credit to any composer.

At the bottom is a notice "Copyright, 1876, by E.H. Harding"


That's all I know, for what it's worth in your research. So what was the timespan of Mr. Byron's writing life? Do you think this publisher may have stolen his 19th century work and credit? Or if Mr. Byron lived later on, is it possible he wrote additional words to be used in the movie? And what about Johnny Patterson, whom the above article says is 'attributed' with the song, wonder how that could be proved or disproved.

What a fascinating thing to try to unravel the song's story, especially wound up as it is with the other songs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 10 - 03:29 AM

Hi, Brenda-
Click here for the Internet Movie Database entry on the 1949 Gene Kelly movie, Take Me Out to the Ball Game. Here's the information on this song:

    The Hat My Dear Old Father Wore upon St. Patrick's Day"
    (uncredited)
    Music by Jean Schwartz
    Lyrics by William Jerome
    Sung and Danced by Gene Kelly
Frank Maher posted the lyrics above (click).

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore upon St. Patrick's
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 10:36 AM

The British Library has the sheet music described as follows:

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE UPON ST. PATRICK'S DAY.
Words, William Jerome. Music, Jean Schwartz.
New York, Detroit: Jerome H. Remick & Co, [1909]


The song is also included in the book:

"51 Lucky Irish Classics" (Great songs of the century series)
New York: Warner Bros. Publications, [197-?]


Recording on wax cylinder:

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE UPON ST. PATRICK'S DAY (William Jerome & Jean Schwartz)
Sung by Billy Murray and chorus, Edison Amberol 382, 1910.

(You can hear the above recording at University of California, Santa Barbara, Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project (or click to play.)


Recordings on 78-rpm records:

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE (William Jerome & Jean Schwartz)
b/w WHEN IRISH EYES ARE SMILING
Sung by Colin O'More, Victor 21179, recorded 11/16/1927

THE HAT MY FATHER WORE (UPON ST. PATRICK'S DAY) VOCADANCE (Jean Schwartz & William Jerome)
Sung by Billy Murray with Harry's Tavern Band, Bluebird B-11071-B


It is also included on the LP:

"If You're Irish"
Willie Brady and Pat King
Westbury, N.Y. : Avoca Record Co., [196-]


All the above information is from WorldCat.org.

Note: the phrase "dear old father" does NOT appear in the TITLE of any version I have found; it only appears in the LYRICS and in the listing at IMDb.com?and even IMDb calls the song "uncredited," meaning it was not listed in the official credits at the end of the film, probably because the song was already out of copyright at the time, and the producers didn't think crediting was necessary. (Movie credits used to be very brief in those days.) The mistake was probably made by whoever added the information for IMDb.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore upon St. Patrick's
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:39 AM

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THIS SHEET MUSIC I HAVE A ORIGINAL COPY FROM 1876 CALL ME AT 601-573-4262 ASK FOR TONY LaFLEUR IF YOU ARE REALY INTERSTED


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Hat My Father Wore upon St. Patrick's
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 13 - 02:05 PM

The Hat McGunnis Wore. O its old and its shabby now I love it just the same. Mcguinness he brought it over when he first from Ireland came I woke up inthe morning with fond memories of yours and I rambled New York City with the hat Mcguinness wore. Kathleen


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