BS: Who's marching on February 15th?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 06:48 PM

if you want the attention:- then do it in the nude!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 06:29 PM

I guess I'll be marching alone. I, for one, will never march in support of the degradation of women, of minoritoes, of anyone opposing freedom and justice for all. I just posted to another thread that I watched the Dixie Chicks on SNL and couldn't imagine their being DENIED studying music in the society you defend, let alone entertaining on TV. ONLY in the good old USA and its allied countries do you have such freedom. Cherish it.

BTW, set your VCR's so that while you're on parade early Saturday you can tape men of valour and concience securing your future. Tis the risin of the moon.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:45 PM

Better be careful where you go walking, Doug, or someone might misunderstand what you are up to...

Remember the scene in City Lights, wasn't it, where Charlie Chapln picks up a Red Flag that has fallen off the back of a lorry and walks along trying to give it back, and he finds himself leading a revolutionary crowd?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: DougR
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:25 PM

I haven't marched since I was in the Army. I wasn't very fond of it then, and nothing has happened since then that would cause me to want to take it up now. I will take my daily two mile walk though.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:27 PM

And I just stumbled across this list of Outstate Minnesota and Western Wisconsin actions too:

Outstate Minnesota & Western Wisconsin Anti-War Activities

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:56 PM

I forgot to mention that there is a great way to keep informed instantly of anti-war protest info for Minnesotans, and it is called CircleVision.

Go here:

Minnesota Anti-War Action Email list

Click on "Information" and then click on "Action E List".

Of course, you don't have to be Minnesotan to get a lot out of this website, because it is a great website for anyone interested in peace and justice organizing!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:37 PM

There is a big march happening in Sydney on Sunday.

I will be in Newcastle (a couple of hours north) all weekend, and will be marching there on Saturday.

On Friday 21st I will be marching in a "women against the war" protest in Sydney.

On March 3rd, we will be part of an International Womens Day event in Sydney, called Women Gather for Peace.

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:15 AM

For a better illustration of the 'truth of the matter' than I could muster up,
click here. And here. And here too

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: mmm1a
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:12 AM

I'll Be in Fort wayne the 15th with my 20 year old daughter who was wo\ith me last month on the 18th. We are going to leave my 9 year old daughter home this timebecause of the weather.
                      mmm

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Partridge
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:57 AM

I'll be marching in London on Saturday - never been part of a protest before.

Pat

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:41 AM

Here's another link that might be handy to people in America - I found it in this article in today's Guardian (Internet brings together Americans against war)

MoveOn.org - "As weapons inspections in Iraq kick into high gear, most of us are breathing a sigh of relief. But some elements of the Bush Administration are still dead set on war, even if the inspections are working. President Bush has agreed that war should be the very last resort. Let's hold him and his administration to those words.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:18 AM

We will be marching on the 15th, here in Colorado at 1p MST.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:16 AM

When the same UN mandates are applied unilaterally against ALL nations, including the Americans, I'll be happy to march in support of them, leprechaun. I'm not holding my breath, though.

In the meantime, it might be well to admit that the current US adminstration couldn't care less about 'democracy', or for the 'welfare of the Iraqi people', or even about the safety of their own citizens, but only about controlling Iraq's oil reserves. If Saddam is ousted, the Americans will just set up another 'puppet gov't', tyrannical or not. The only thing that matters to the US is to install an Iraqi leader willing to give them all their oil at any price they dictate. That IS the bottom line, as anyone who IS informed knows only too well.

So wake up and smell the stench of blood and oil, leprechaun. REALITY CHECK!!!! And isn't it ironic, even strangely appropriate, that the remnants of the last great species to meet extinction on this planet will probably be reason humans exterminate themselves. If we don't change our ways, that is.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:10 AM

I think it is VERY important for people to get out and march, and to get involved and stay involved. The reason for that is bigger than the US/British invasion of Iraq. As I pointed out in the NATO & Anti-war Euros thread, the balance of power is shifting in so many ways right now, and it is shifting AGAINST the American/British empire. Their power and authority is being challenged very directly right now, in a way that imperial political power and ruthlessness never has been before.

So don't for a second believe that you going out to march and demostrate is having no effect, even if Bush/Blair invade Iraq. The resistance to the worst imperial aggressors in human history is astounding, and historic. You can be a part of that historic change--be one of the people bringing it on.

I also believe very strongly that the American public is starting to wake up to the fact that the Bush administration is trying to achieve a bloodless coup in terms of it's governance of this country. I'm not suggesting that they will suspend elections or anything. But I am saying that they are so ruthless, so naked in their aggression and will to dominate, that SOMETHING has to happen to check that here in the US. Are the Democrats biding their time to "see how the war goes" (probably) or are they planning a serious challenge to the Republican power base, that can finally shift the balance of power in US politics away from the conservative oligarchy, and back into the hands of the people?

Stay tuned people, it is getting VERY interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:40 AM

One more thing, Conrad, the reason more people with higher degrees vote democratic, though, the best of two lesser political notions, is that in places like Bangladesh, the US builds up right wing moslem governments, as it is our policy to destablize the third world, always has, we send guns to Somalia, and no food for fifty years then call them barbarians when we send food at last and get shot. The world is a much more complex place than you may emagine. It would take a long paper to explain fully why we back dictators like Kalada Zia in Bangladesh, or in other lands, other than to say that as long as they are spending most of their engery to try and fight pluralism in their nations, an imposible task, they will not create a united third world in the way there is now a united western Europe and we just don't want any impediment on our extracting 70 percent of the worlds resourses... that is it in a nut shell. To get the full story, well, take some time from making wonderful funny cars (and they are wonderful) and travel to some of the places you would send troops.
All the best
and the cars are good folks,
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:34 AM

Conrad... I have often defended you and your right to an orange perspective, even though you often present that point of view in less than gentlemanly ways. Let me just set you straight on a few things, I am marching, I have a degree in political science and a juris doctorate, I am working on the rights of minorities in places like the Chitagong Hills, which you may or may not know about... but, I don't assume you are ignorant on anything other than that which you comment on, that being our knowlege
and yes, I marched against the killing of Kurds, and before that for the rights of Kurds while those you support were building up Mr. Husain.
Cheers, from another Ulster prot, albeit a Quaker
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Bagpuss
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:15 AM

"Why weren't marching when the Iraquis were gassing people?"

Many of the people marching have been involved in human rights demonstrations in the past, highlighting issues such as the Iraqi treatment of their own people. This was about the same time as the governments of our countries were supporting and arming Saddam, so that he could continue doing just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:03 AM

wHO'S mARCHING?

A bunch of uninformed morons!

Why weren't marching when the Iraquis were gassing people?

Why dont you march to tell Iraq to comply with un mandates?

The true path to piece is for dictators to cooperate with the world community.

The choice is for Iraq!

What do they have to hide so much as to limit inspectors and fail to cooperate.

If you are going to march march against Iraq- I see but it is more fun to march against the usa....
Our government wont shoot you for protesting...

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:10 AM

Hi Lep:
Just as to folks who don't know individual police, all cops and police departments look alike. I know that is not true, as in my work I work with lots of police even police who specialize in racially profiling Roma (Gypsies) and even in that subgroup you find police trying to do their job in a way that I feel is sinsericly respectful of constitutional rights, and some who feel the constitution does not apply to "Gypsies".
The same is true of demonstrators and demonstrations. You are possibly thinking of the Anti Globalisation marches, 99.999 percent of the folks involved in which are law abiding and good citizens. However, Peace marches tend to be well marshalled. From my earliest days of activism, when I was a wee child, we Quakers were involved with other groups in creating non-violent ways of keeping peace at demonstrations. One thing we practiced doing during the Viet Nam war rallys, was to ring and hug violent demonstrators keeping their hands pinned by a crush of Friends until they calmed down.
Now why where peace folks getting crazy during those days? When I was about 13, my girl friend came back from a demonstration against the war with blood all over her face. A hard hat (I never heard the term before that, it may have been the first construction worker attack on a peace demo) had split her scalp with a wrench. A middle aged man had hit a thirteen year old Quaker girl in the head with a wrench because she felt sending 45,000 Americans to their death was a bad idea.
We need to see each other as individuals. It may not surprise you to learn that at a rally at our senitors office a few months ago, I took an organiser of the War Resister's League to task for being wize assed with the ranking officer on the site. The police wanted to know if there was going to be civl disobedience, and the fellow was being a wise ass in responce. I pointed out that he may think that we are also building a culture of peace, and respect for each other is an important part of that.
All the best
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:39 AM

Driving conditions permitting, I'll be in Toronto on the 15th. If not, I'll be 'doing my own thing' right here at home, hopefully with some like-minded people.

Thanks for the link, Kevin. Who knows, if I'm 'snowed in' (again), I may just be putting the last touches on your song 'White Snow of Springtime', for submission to the UNESCO collection of New Songs for Peace instead. That sounds pretty peaceful as well!

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: belfast
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:35 AM

And we'll be marching here in Belfast. Not that I believe we can actully stop anything but it's helps a little to be able to say that this war is not being carried out in our name.

And afterwards there's sure to be a some music and songs, a couple of pints and a bit of craic, sorry, I mean crack, no I mean craic ....

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 06:15 AM

I think I'll be doing the same as Cllr, watching the England v France game.

I gave up marching along with a number of other things quite a few years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:39 AM

11.00 a.m. Sunday 16th here. That's about 7.00 p.m. US East Coast time.

Oh, to answer the question - everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:01 AM

From the new USA PATRIOT Act. 802, a, 5, B, ii. Geez. What a dilemma. YOU are the terrorist if you...well, read it for yourself. I imagine there are similar laws in Europe, but this is what we'll see if the cops in America have the fortitude to put into effect Feb. 15. Watch out for people in your crowds with ski masks. If they go violent (throw trashcans, etc), they are govt provocateurs. Take care of them FAST or the cops will take care of you, like at the protest against the WTO in Seattle. Ski-masked 'marchers' gave the police there a reason to riot:

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: leprechaun
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:41 PM

I think I've been to more demonstrations, protests and riots than you Guest. I can't name one RECENT anti-war protest that has turned violent yet. I hope I won't be able to. I also hope this war doesn't happen.

And I hope I go home in one piece from the next demonstration I go to. Because if I'm there, it will be because I have to be, as much to protect the protesters themselves as anybody else.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:25 PM

What planet do you reside on, leprechaun? Name one anti-war protest against this war that has turned violent. No? That's right, you can't.

Looks like red baitin' to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: leprechaun
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:15 PM

May I suggest, that if the police fail to repress you folks to your liking, that you smash windows, turn over cars, block traffic, invade hotels and meeting rooms, and throw things at the police? Rocks and chunks of concrete are almost always available in urban settings, but a sharpened skillsaw blade makes a very nice anti-war frisbee. Then when the police respond, you can relish your self-fulfilling prophesy about being repressed. Blame the police for starting the violence, or blame agent provocateurs.

People with the strongest throwing arms should stay in the back of the crowd, and make sure there's a phalanx of "peaceful protesters" in the front lines to block the police from getting to the designated berzerkers.

And remember, if you haven't done anything overtly violent in the four seconds before the police release the tear gas, then you're a "peaceful protester." Even if you're screaming obscenities at the "jack-booted thugs," you're still a peaceful protester, because you're just exercising your right to free speech.

Don't forget to bring small children with you, especially if you plan to riot. They make an excellent shield against streams of pepper spray. And afterward you can show your crying baby to the news media and say, (now repeat after me) "I only wanted my child to see how free people voice their opinions in America, and for that the police tortured her."

The NYPD doesn't want you to protest? I wonder why. Do you think it has anything to do with your opinion or your message? Hell it does. If you really want peace, I challenge you to keep your protests consistent with your message. If you want to lecture people on how to be peaceful then demonstrate peacefully. I've seen it done, unfortunately on rare occasions.

If you can have these protests without getting violent, then God bless you all.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:54 PM

As noted above, we will be marching on February 16th in the San Francisco Bay Area (conflict on the 15th with the Chinese New Year celebration). Please join us.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:44 PM

And if you need some cheering up, go here:

Get Your War On:

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war19.html

Spin on This!

http://spin-on-this.com/

Humor is Dead:

http://www.humorisdead.com/

Ironic Times:

http://www.ironictimes.com/index.html

My personal faves, the White House:

http://whitehouse.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:30 PM

Good Guest, good...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:18 PM

For those of you in small towns who feel too isolated to protest, here are some ideas for organizing locally, from Indy Media in Madison Wisconsin:

Minocqua Anti-War protest
Monday, February 10, 2003
For the past 7 Saturdays, a coalition of area Anarchists, Pacifists and Church people gather in Minocqua which is one of the increasing list of "smaller" towns holding anti-war rallies. At the corner of HWY 51 and 70 from 10am to noon over 50 demonstrators brave the cold weather. YellowJack Distro collective members can regularly be found at this protest, as well as the Wausau's Friday night protests.

You can see their photos & read more about it here:

http://madison.indymedia.org/

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: InOBU
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:16 PM

Information on the NYC march here. Obit: US Alerts guard against the Constitution ... Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:10 PM

Larry:

Workin' on it, my friend. Workin' on it....

Peace..

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:51 PM

No Mudcatters in the Antarctic? That sounds like a world first. Fair enough - this war, if it comes, will be a world first as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: InOBU
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:39 PM

Hi Bobbert... If ya want to come to NY and march with the Quakers, there is a room for ya... CHeers Larry PS I am marching as is me wee wiffie

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:27 PM

BTW, the federal judge hearing the case on the NY demo/march planned to go past the UN has denied the permit for the march, citing "heightened security." Around 60 anti-war protestors who showed up at a library in Massachusetts to protest an appearance by compassionate hawk, Sen John Kerry, were forcibly pushed back from the picket line they had formed near the library. When asked why by the media, the police claimed "heightened security" as the reason.

Seems "heightened security" is now the justification being used to kill off the Bill of Rights, starting right there with #1, the constitutional right to peaceful assembly. I think the Bushites fear that if the hundreds of thousands of people marching in the street might make people question the results of their propaganda wing's polls that say Americans are all for this war.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:18 PM

Nude won't be an option at the Minneapolis demo, for obvious reasons! This is GREAT!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:13 PM

ME! In Philadelphia, PA. Actually, I'll be in a van due to cancer in one hip and a hip replacement in the other.

Sorcha, you sound like the peaceful, resourceful type that could gather some like minded friends and have a peace prayer or little walk at your home/ranch/farm? You go girl!

Walking (hardly) Eagle

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Cllr
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:56 PM

Sorry Im watching the england france match, a real war Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:47 PM

McGrath that is a great link you gave.Thanks. I'm going to Minneapolis, Minnesota. It's about a four hour drive. Canada is closer to me, but I would rather rally with my state folks.
Peace. Rustic, once again chanting, no-war, no-war!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:25 PM

Aw, man, nearest one to me is Lincoln, NE........10 hr drive. Don't know if I have the energy to set one up here.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:56 PM

We don't have anything planned fro D.C. and New York is out of the question. I'll have to miss this one BUT should the US invade Iraq there will be a massive protest the Sunday afterwards at the White House.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: boglion
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:45 PM

Nearly everyone I know seems to be marching in London on Saturday. All my mates from my local pub are going. None of us has demonstrated for at least 20 years on any topic. The pub is opening early to supply bracing coffee and to allow us to gather.

My daughter and nephew, who have never marched for anything are going separately with groups of friends. I get the impression this is going to be an ENORMOUS march. It could even get dangerously crowded in the centre. We are expecting to have to walk into the gathering point - we suspect public transport won't cope.

It won't stop anything - the decision is already made - but what else can we do?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:45 PM

There is a 24 hour vigil in Columbus which we will be there for.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: NicoleC
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:43 PM

It's the 16th out in SF instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:36 PM

Nude being only optional this time ,right ? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: maire-aine
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:26 PM

I'm planning to attend the march in Detroit MI, starting at Kennedy Square (to Cobo Hall) at 1:00 PM.

Subject: BS: Who's marching on February 15th?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:20 PM

Marches all over the world on Saturday 15th against the war. - even in Antarctica!

Holland - Germany - Greece - Thailand - Spain - Ireland - Switzerland - Scotland - Belgium - Denmark - Canada - Bulgaria
Cuba - Finland - Turkey - Indonesia - S.Africa - Portugal - Norway - Brazil - Sweden - Australia - New Zealand - Ecuador
Russia - Japan - Austria - Italy - Tasmania - Korea - Iceland - Slovenia - Czech Republic - Malta - Poland - Hungary - Uruguay - Nicaragua - Rwanda - Netherlands - USA - Alaska - Hawaii - England - France - Mexico - Argentina - Antarctica! (And I doubt if that's all.)

That link at the head of the post gives links to contacts for most of them.

Here's a link to the one in London, which I plan to go on, and details of events on the previous day, St Valentine's.