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Origins: Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky DigiTrad: ROUGH AND ROCKY |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky From: Fortunato Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:06 PM thanks for the notes on this song, Susette and I are just adding it to our repetoire. thanks Joe for the Wayne Erbsen quote, I'll ask him about it when I see him at Fiddler's Grove next month. cheers, chance |
Subject: RE: Origins: Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky From: Gervase Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:50 PM Peta Webb and Ken Hall do a lovely harmonised performance of "Rough and Rocky" on their CD "as close as can be", together with the other schmaltzy tearjerker "Rose of My Heart". Their rendition is the same as the Scruggs/DT version though. |
Subject: ADD Version: Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:26 PM Here's a version by the Blue Sky Boys: ROUGH AND ROCKY Darling I have come to tell you 'Though it almost breaks my heart But before the morning darling We'll be many miles apart. CHORUS Don't this road look rough and rocky Don't this sea look wide and deep Don't my darling look the sweetest When she's in my arms asleep? Don't you hear the night birds crying Far across the deep blue sea While of others you are thinking Won't you sometimes think of me? One more kiss and all is over One more kiss before we part You have caused me lots of trouble You have almost broke my heart. I found this MP3 on my computer, and I can't recall where I got it from. It's just a little different from the version in the Digital Tradition. Here's what Wayne Erbsen has to say about "Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky":
Source: Rural Roots of Bluegrass, Wayne Erbsen, page 70. |
Subject: Lyr Add: DON'T FORGET ME, LITTLE DARLING From: Stewie Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:12 PM Dicho posted some 'Little Darling' texts from Randolph: HERE. Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' references 17 pre-1943 commercial recordings of 'Don't Forget Me Little Darling' at #10 in its section on 'Parted Lovers' p 159. It refers to 'C.W. Vance, wds, R.S. Crandall, m, 1874; see also Thos. P. Westendorf, wds, Geo.W.Persley, m, 1879 ...'. The earliest recording was by Gid Tanner for Columbia in November 1926, but this was unissued. The first issued recording was by David Miller [The Blind Soldier] for Gennett in May 1927. Below is the version from the Carter Family: DON'T FORGET ME, LITTLE DARLING Don't forget me, little darling When from me you're far away But remember, little darling We will meet again some day Darling, I have come to tell you Though this message breaks my heart At the dawning of the morning We'll be many miles apart Instrumental break Take this little bunch of roses That you gave me long ago Many a time I've kissed them, darling These I'll never kiss no more Who is going to love you, darling Who will fold you to their breast Who will talk the future over While I roam the desert west Instrumental break You may meet with many changes Driving down life's river stream But remember, little darling You are always in my dream You may meet with brighter faces Some may say that I'm not true But remember, little darling None can love you as I do Instrumental break At my window sad and lonely Often do I think of you And I wonder, oh I wonder If you ever think of me Source: Carter Family 'Don't Forget Me Little Darling' recorded 7 May 1935 in NYC and issued as ARC 6-01-59 in January 1936. Transcription from: http://www.silcom.com/~peterf/ideas/carter2.htm |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Frankham Date: 18 Feb 03 - 01:57 PM At My Window Sad and Lonely....this is the song I was looking for on the other threads. Thanks. Finally found a source. Variant of these others. This is probably where Woody got it. Frank |
Subject: Lyr Add: LITTLE DARLING From: GUEST,Q Date: 18 Feb 03 - 01:31 PM Versions of the songs mentioned by Kaleea were posted to thread 35233, "Age of East Virginia." East Virginia . A version with "greenback dollar" also is posted in that thread. Budded Rose is very close to "(Don't Forget Me) Little Darling" in content. Here is the full text of "Little Darling" from Max Hunter. Lyr. Add: LITTLE DARLING Don't forget me little darling When from you I'm far away. Just remember little darling We will meet again someday. Don't forget me little darling Don't forget that happy past Just remember little darling We will surely meet at last. Don't forget the night we parted We were setting side by side When you whispered that you loved me You had gained my heart with pride. You may meet with many a change, dear Some may tell you I'm not true But remember little darling No one loves you as I do. You may meet with brighter faces Heading down the river's stream But remember little darling You are always in my dreams. Who will teach you little darling Who will hold you to their breast Who will talk the future over While I roam the desert west. At my window proud and lonely Ofen do I think of thee E'r I wondered little darling If you ever think of me. Do you ever think, my darling ------- ------ dream of sorrow Could this poor boy ever dream. Sung by Mrs Claudie and Glenda Sue Richardson, Mountain View, Arkansas, 1971. Max Hunter Folk Song Collection, Cat. 1221(MFH# 152): Little Darling Audio provided. Another version, also from Max Hunter, Don't Forget Also with audio. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Kaleea Date: 18 Feb 03 - 01:22 AM Looks to me as if "Don't This Road Look Rough & Rocky" may be a song comprised of pieces of various traditional songs such as Little Bunch of Roses, Fond Affection, Don't Forget Me Little Darling, & probably some others. I have also heard an old recording of it done by Curley Seckler & the Shenandoah Cutups. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: GUEST,Q Date: 17 Feb 03 - 09:17 PM There are 1001 songs of separation and sadness. They all begin to sound alike if you look at enough of them. One that is found from the Appalachians to the Ozarks is "Little Darling," or "Don't Forget Me, Little Darling." A version with audio is in Max Hunter. First verse: Don't forget me, little darling When from you I'm far away Just remember little darling We will meet again someday. Also: Who will teach you little darling Who will hold you to their breast Who will talk the future over While I roam the desert west. At my window proud and lonely, Ofen do I think of thee E'r I wondered little darling If you ever think of me. Several ballads have "night birds singing," including "Love Me at Twilight." It is easy to mix and match these songs. The main difference in "Rough and Rocky Road" is the reference to "Don't my baby look the sweetest when she's in my arms asleep." This refers to the lover, but has a reference to a child been lost? |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Richie Date: 17 Feb 03 - 09:04 PM Thanks Stewie, You can really see the connection in the 2nd verse of the Last Gold Dollar. Here's some info on Last Gold Dollar which is sometimes called "Last Ol' Dollar." Last Gold Dollar, My DESCRIPTION: "My last (gold/ole) dollar is gone (x2), My whiskey bill is due an' my board bill too...." "Oh darling, I'm crazy about you... and another girl too..." "Oh darling, won't you go my bail?..." "Oh darling, six months ain't too long...." AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1927 KEYWORDS: poverty hardtimes prison courting drink FOUND IN: US(Ap,SE,So) REFERENCES (4 citations): Randolph 671, "My Last Gold Dollar" (2 texts, 1 tune) Lomax-FSNA 149, "My Last Ole Dollar" (1 text, 1 tune) Spaeth-WeepMore, pp. 130-131, "My Last Old Dollar" (1 text, 1 tune) DT, OLDOLLAR* RECORDINGS: Bascom Lamar Lunsford, "The Last Gold Dollar" (on BLLunsford01) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "I Wish I Was a Mole in the Ground" (floating lyrics) cf. "New River Train" (floating lyrics) Last Gold Dollar Rt - Don't Let Your Deal Go Down 1.Kidwell, Fiddlin' Van. Fiddlin' Van Kidwell with Hotmud Family, Vetco LP 502, LP (1974), cut# 7 2.Martin, Edsel. Close to Home, Smithsonian/Folkways SF 40097, CD (1997), cut#20 3.Moonshine Kate (Carson, Rosa Lee). Banjo Pickin' Girl, Rounder 1029, LP (1978), cut# 10 -Richie |
Subject: ADD: Little Bunch of Roses & Last Gold Dollar From: Stewie Date: 17 Feb 03 - 08:42 PM Richie The Blevins recording you mentioned was made at the 8 November 1927 session for Columbia. Unfortunately, 'Little Bunch of Roses' was unissued. The other sides from the session are available on 'Music From the Lost Provinces' Old Hat CD-1001. I don't know whether 'Roses' has since surfaced anywhere. However, below is my transcription of the version by Murphy Brothers Harp Band. I am not certain of the first part of the first line of the penultimate stanza, but in brackets is what it sounds like. LITTLE BUNCH OF ROSES Instrumental intro Darling, I have come to tell you Though the message breaks my heart On the dawning of tomorrow You and I, my love, must part Chorus: Then take this little bunch of roses That you gave me years ago Hold them, kiss them and caress them But I'll never kiss you more Instrumental break [There though] sad the hour of parting My poor heart it breaks with pain In some future years to come, love, We may some time meet again Chorus Instrumental break When the whippoorwill is singing On some dark and lonesome sea Won't you some time, little darling, Cast one single thought for me Chorus Instrumental break Chorus Source: transcription of Murphy Brothers Harp Band 'Little Bunch of Roses' recorded on 4 December 1930 in Atlanta, Georgia, and issued as Columbia 15646-D in April 1931. Reissued on Various Artists 'The Rose Grew Round the Briar Vol II' Yazoo CD 2031. Another in the family is 'Last Gold Dollar'. Below is my transcription of a version by Ephraim Woodie & The Henpecked Husbands. I am unable to decipher completely the first line of the penultimate stanza. LAST GOLD DOLLAR Lord, I'd give my last gold dollar Yes, I'd give my gold watch and chain I would pawn this heart in my body Just to see my darlin' again Don't this road look long and lonely Don't the sea look wide and deep Would you ever think of me darlin' If you could not hear me speak Take me back to North Carolina Bring me back to Tennessee Bring me back my blue-eyed darlin' She is all this world to me I remember last time I saw her How my heart was torn with pain When she said, 'Goodbye, God bless you We may never meet again' You may be with pride [?] Some may tell you I'm not true But, remember dearest, darlin' No one loves you as I do Every night in this creation Bending on my tremblin' knee Then I pray to God and ask him 'Oh, what does my sweetheart mean?' Don't this road look long and lonely Winding down this rocky stream But, remember dearest, darlin' You are always in my dreams Source: transcription of Ephraim Woodie & The Henpecked Husbands 'Last Gold Dollar' recorded on 29 October 1929 in Johnson City, Tennessee, and issued in August 1930 as Columbia 15564-D. Reissued on Various Artists 'Music From the Lost Provinces: Old-time Stringbands from Ashe County Nth Carolina & Vicinity 1927-1931' Old Hat CD-1001. The lyrics to another in the family - the Carter Family's 'Farewell Nellie - may be found on this page: Click. The details are: recorded on 18 June 1937 and issued as Decca 5677. --Stewie. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Richie Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:44 PM Thanks Stewie, I could see there was some connection. "Don't This Road Look Rough" seems like a 19th Century parlor song or a Tin-Pan Alley song. Kinney Rorrer finds no source for "Budded Rose" by Poole in his book, even though I know he tried. Do you have a version of "Little Bunch of Roses"? -Richie |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Stewie Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM Richie Meade et alia group the Blue Sky Boys' 'Can't You Hear ...' with #4 'Little Bunch of Roses' in their section on 'Lovers Parted'. 'Budded Roses' is grouped in subcategory #4(a) under the title 'Down Among the Budded Roses'. The other subcategories are 4(b)'Are You Angry With Me Darling' and 4(c) 'I'm Not Angry With You Darling'. The lyrics to Charlie Poole's version of 'Budded Rose' may be found HERE. --Stewie. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: michaelr Date: 17 Feb 03 - 03:58 PM A nice, slowed-down version was recorded by the late Gene Clark (original Byrds lead singer) on his "Roadmaster" album. There, the song is credited to Flatt/Scruggs. Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: masato sakurai Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:55 PM Should have been "Can't You Hear That Night Bird Crying." The notes' error. ~Masato |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: GUEST,Q Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:50 PM "The Road is Rocky" is a road gang song. A fragment is mentioned in Brown, North Carolina Folklore (no date). Probably no relation to the song Richie is looking for. Tabuchi's place is in Branson, MO. He is a Japanese-born violinist who moved into country and pop music and has made his fortune. The Wall Street Journal gave him a recommendation. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:36 PM I suspect the phrase has been used in a lot of gospel songs. I wrote a song, When I Get To Glory, with the opening verse: "It's a long and a lonesome journey On a rough and a rocky road It's not made for the weak or the faint of heart You've got to carry such a heavy load." Jerry |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: GUEST,Q Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:34 PM Error in my post- Crying, not Singing. Justice and Shoji made the arrangement used by Emmy Lou Harris. I could not find their names attached to any of the older arrangements. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Richie Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:48 PM Thanks to all, Masato, I thought the Blue Sky Boys song was "Can't You Hear That Night Bird Crying." Isn't his part of an older group of songs, "Little Bunch of Roses" by Frank Blevins and others? Is it related to "Budded Roses" also? -Richie |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: rich-joy Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:46 PM "Rough and Rocky", (as in Blue Sky Boys), I have seen credited a number of times to Charles Justice and Shoji Tabuchi. I don't know about Charles J., but there is a website existing about Shoji and his Country Music theatre (can't recall which town) in the US (he's been there for years ...) Cheers! R-J |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: GUEST,Q Date: 16 Feb 03 - 08:05 PM Adding to Masato- Blue Sky Boys (Bolick Brothers). A compilation of 21 sides from Bluebird 78's includes "Can't You Hear...." The Album title is "There'll come a time/Can't you hear that nightbird singing?" Orig. Issue date 1936. A track by track commentary by Bill Bolick is included. Blue Sky Boys www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Bf83gtq7ztu43 The same? song appears on RDR0052, issued by them in the 1940s, as "Don't this road look rough and rocky?" available from Camsco. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Ebbie Date: 16 Feb 03 - 07:49 PM "Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky" is an old country song, kept alive by the likes of bluegrass masters such as Flatt and Scruggs. Source: The Bluegrass Songbook, By Peter Wernick. Oak Publications. Recordings on file by: J. D. Crowe & Friends, Emmy Lou Harris, Earl Scruggs & Tom T. Hall. http://www.oldtownschool.org/resourcecenter/songnotes_D.html I would have thought, Masato, that more is known about the song itself- it's a bit more deft than a lot of country/bluegrass songs, imo. Don't This Road Look Rough & Rocky In the early 1930s, a new form of country music began to emerge from the older Southern mountain traditions. It was called Bluegrass music. Many agree the term was coined by the great Bill Monroe, a Kentuckian who called his band, The Bluegrass Boys. |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: masato sakurai Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:59 PM "Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky" is Flatt & Scruggs' 1954 song (Click here for lyrics in the DT). According to notes to Flatt & Scruggs 1948-1959 (Bear Family BDC 15472), it is credited to Flatt & Scruggs, and is "an old song which the Blue Sky Boys had recorded in 1936 as Can't You Hear That Night Bird Singing." There were black gospel songs with "rough and rocky road" in their titles before World War II (for example, Heavenly Gospel Singers version recorded in 1936), but they don't seem to have been related. ~Masato |
Subject: RE: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: GUEST Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:52 PM Emmy Lou Harris used the title "Rough and Rocky Road" in Blue Kentucky Girl, Warner, 1979. There is also a gospel tune of this title, popular in 1949-1951, and this seems to be the only one in references that old. Can't find anything to help here. |
Subject: ORIGIN: Don't This Road Look Rough From: Richie Date: 16 Feb 03 - 01:34 PM I know the bluegrass song, "Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky" has been recorded by many of the top bluegrass groups. What is the origin of the song? Thanks, -Richie |
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