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Lyr Req: The Dollar and the Devil

Sandy Mc Lean 17 Feb 03 - 04:12 PM
masato sakurai 17 Feb 03 - 09:54 PM
masato sakurai 17 Feb 03 - 10:25 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 18 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM
Jim Dixon 03 Mar 03 - 12:48 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 03 Mar 03 - 08:32 PM
Jim Dixon 25 Oct 07 - 08:00 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 26 Oct 07 - 01:43 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: The Dollar And The Devil
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 04:12 PM

Does anyone have words to this old mountain ballad ? (Not in DT or Cowpie)You can hear it on Honking Duck but the words are hard to make out.
                           Thanks,
                               Sandy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar And The Devil
From: masato sakurai
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 09:54 PM

Link to The Dollar & The Devil -- Henry Whitter (Issued: May 1925) at Honkingduck.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar And The Devil
From: masato sakurai
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:25 PM

According to Meade et al.'s Country Music Sources (p. 371; "Two Rulers [The Dollar and the Devil]"), it was written by James Larkin Pearson in 1911. Whitter first recorded it (ca. 11/20/24. NYC).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar And The Devil
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM

Thanks Masato, but I have the Honking Duck download.
Due to the poor audio quality there are many words that I can't understand ,so I was looking for printed lyrics. If I had all of the words the old recording will tell me the melody & chords.
                   Sandy


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DOLLAR & THE DEVIL (from H Whitter)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 12:48 AM

Here's my attempt at a transcription of the sound file at the Honking Duck site. Each asterisk represents one syllable that I couldn't transcribe; several other words are highly doubtful. Corrections are welcome.

THE DOLLAR & THE DEVIL
Henry Whitter

* * * * * * Satan * * * * by so fine
And the trademark of religion is a classic dollar sign,
There's a rule that never fails and you'll always find it true:
When the dollar rules the pulpit, soon the devil rules the pew.

When the money gets to talking and the Maker's cross is still,
And the preacher swaps his sermon for a twenty-dollar bill,
That's the time old master Satan gets his taxes in his view.
When the dollar rules the pulpit, soon the devil rules the pew.

When religion gone a-begging and the Bible is forgot,
And the preacher preaches nothing but a * * * and rot,
There the faithful old believers they are getting mighty few.
When the dollar rules the pulpit, soon the devil rules the pew.

There may be a lot of singing and an awful lot of prayer,
And the sermon may be anchored with an * * here and there
But as sure as your * * * are all * * * * view,
When the dollar rules the pulpit, soon the devil rules the pew.

[By the way, The All Music Guide says that the Dixie Hummingbirds recorded a song called "When the Dollar Rules the Pulpit" on two albums: "Call on the Lord," Hot Productions CD 3706, 1997; and "Looking Back: A Retrospective," 3x Platinum CD 10001, 1998. Authorship is attributed to "Tucker," who is probably Ira Tucker, a member of the group.]

This page says "The Dollar and the Devil" was recorded by the McCravy Brothers in 1929.

This site says Lonnie Glosson recorded it on a CD called "Live Show" and a cassette called "Smell the Roses."

A bibliography from the Society for Ethnomusicology lists an article called "'The Dollar and the Devil': From Poem to Traditional Song?" by W. K. McNeil, in a book called "Creativity and Tradition in Folklore," edited by S. J. Bronner.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar And The Devil
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 08:32 PM

Thanks Jim and Masato!
It would seem from Honking Duck that Whitter recorded this in 1925, two years before "The Bristol Sessions" so that may explain the poor quality as it may not have been done on top of the line equipment.
I can find no information on who may have written it.
I love that last line in each verse. What I may do is re-write it (for live performance) using that line. It would be PD by now but I would still love to credit the author if known. Perhaps I'll just credit it to Henry Whitter and leave ut at that.
          Thanks again,
               Sandy


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DOLLAR AND THE DEVIL
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 08:00 PM

By George, I think I've got it:

In this world of frills and fashion where the churches are so fine
And the trademark of religion is a classic dollar sign,
There's a rule that never fails and you'll always find it true:
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

When the money gets to talking and the Master's voice is still,
And the preacher swaps his sermon for a twenty-dollar bill,
That's the time old Master Satan gets his church's business too.
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

When religion goes a-begging and the Bible is forgot,
And the preacher preaches nothing but a scientific rot,
There's a people - old believers - they are getting mighty few.
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

There may be a lot of singing and an awful lot of prayer,
And the sermon may be answered with an amen here and there
But as sure as Job's a Dutchman or old Shylock was a Jew,
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

[I have no idea why they would think Job's a Dutchman, though.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar and the Devil
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 01:43 PM

Thanks Jim! I guess old threads never die. I'll PM you back.
                        Sandy


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DOLLAR AND THE DEVIL
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 07:20 PM

Sandy McLean sent this to me; he got it from a friend, Don Miller, in typed form. It isn't clear what the ultimate source was. It is different in several ways from the versions given above, and I think it has merit, especially the line I have put in italics.


THE DOLLAR AND THE DEVIL

1. In this world of frill and fashion where the churches are so fine,
And the trademark of religion is the blessed dollar sign,
There's a rule that never faileth and always you'll find it true:
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

CHORUS: There may be a lot of singing and an awful lot of prayer,
And the sermon may be answered by an "amen" here and there,
But as sure as I am talking and your taxes will come due,
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

2. When the money gets to talking and the Master's voice is still,
And the preacher swaps his sermon for a twenty-dollar bill,
That's when the time Old Mister Devil gets the churches in a stew.
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

3. When religion goes a-begging and the Bible is forgot,
And the preacher preaches nothing but some scientific rot,
Then the faithful old believers are getting mighty few.
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

[The Online 78 rpm Discographical Project lists recordings by Henry Whitter, 1924, by Lester McFarland & Robert Gardner, 1928; and by Frank & James McCravy, c1929-30.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar and the Devil
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 07:06 PM

Wikipedia tells me that Dutchman could also be used as a derogatory term for individuals from South Africa. Are there any Biblical ties to Africa that may warrant Job being considered a euphemistic 'Dutchman'?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dollar and the Devil
From: GUEST,Susan Allen Hylton
Date: 04 Jan 16 - 04:41 PM

I always was told it was written by my grandfather James W Allen
I was always told my Grandfather JWAllen wrote it, with the help of his daughter Viva.

"In this world of frill and fashion, where the churches are so fine
And the trademark of religion, is a classic dollar sign,
There's a rule that never faileth, and you'll always find it true
Where the dollar rule the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

"There may be a lot of singing and an awful lot of prayer
And the sermon may be answered with an amen here and there
But sure as the devil live the and his imps are busy too
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew.

"When money gets to talking, and the Master's voice is still
And the preacher swaps his sermon, for a twenty dollar bill
That's when old mister satan gets the church in a stew
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew

"When religion goes to begging, and the Bible is forgot
And the preacher preaches nothing but some scientific rot
There's the faithful old believers, but they're getting mighty few
Where the dollar rules the pulpit, there the devil rules the pew. "


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