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Subject: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:46 PM Cut-and-Paste Policy (non-music)OK, people, the cut-and-paste policy is stated in the FAQ, and I'll include it in this message. Everybody is expected to follow it, members and non-members alike. In the past, I tried to be nice and to replace cut-and-paste non-music information with a link. I don't bother with that so often now.It's very nice that you political experts know how to cut-and-paste. Now, I'd like to ask you to learn how to make clickable links. Jeff has even provided a link-maker for you, if you don't care to learn HTML. Since you already know how to cut-and-paste so well, the linkmaker should suit you just fine. The Mudcat Café TM Thread #19340 Message #738292 Posted By: Joe Offer 27-Jun-02 - 01:05 PM Thread Name: Mudcat FAQ - Newcomer's Guide Subject: Please Don't Copy-Paste Long Non-Music Articles Please remember that Mudcat is a Music Forum. We welcome discussion of all topics, but we give special emphasis to music. Abuse of Thread CreationIn addition, it seems are a very few people who create a very large number of our threads - and most of these threads have nothing to do with music, which is the primary focus of this Forum. All of us are concerned about the current political situation, and we all have a need to voice our opinion. However, I can't see why we have to split this discussion into so many pieces, why it is so important for these few people to start so many new threads on more-or-less the same thing.I've experimented with various methods of controlling this mess, and I haven't found the perfect solution. I'm open to suggestions, and I will continue to try a variety of things. When things get out of hand, you can expect to see threads consolidated or renamed, and frivolous threads deleted. I count 14 Iraq threads active today. I'm mad as hell about Bush's statement that he "respectfully disagrees" with the millions who protest his Iraq war - but I don't know where to put my comments, or whether somebody else has already said what I have to say. I'm frustrated. What can we do to put a sense of order into our discussion of the political situation? How can we allow everyone to say what they think, without allowing the Forum to be dominated by a few idiots who overwhelm us with their verbosity? I'll tell you one thing I'm going to do: if you start a thread with a cut-and-paste non-music article, I'll delete the whole damn thread. The policy on cut-and-paste is clear. Follow it. Another thing you can expect: if you start more than one political thread in a day, expect them all to be consolidated with others. Your limit is ONE PER DAY, and fewer would be greatly appreciated. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: katlaughing Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:50 PM Three cheers for you, Joe! Thanks. How about if we have a News of the day thread, a continous one which is a central location for all of the political/news stuff? The only exception being some momentuous happening such as Columbine or the Space Shuttle? |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:56 PM LMAO.....good one Father JoeBro!!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Amos Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:57 PM Joe: Good call, as usual. I was just wondering what I could do to get that herd of rogue dogies to circle in!! :>) Your approach certainly answers the question! A |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: artbrooks Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:59 PM What they said. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:07 PM I think that would get even more frustrating and untidy, kat. It's a big world. In principle I much prefer it when there is one thread on a topic, or at least on an aspect of a topic. So with the Iraq war, stuff about demonstrations is different from arguments about the rights and wrongs of the policies, so just having one thread wouldn't seem right. I don't think there's any simple way. Now that we have the ability to have long long threads split into 50s, I really think we ought to use that a lot more as a way of cutting down on the number of new duplicated threads. It's good practice, when starting a new topic, I feel, to look for an existing old thread and add on to that instead, if there isn't an current thread where the post would fit. But more times than not there is going to be a current thread like that. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Gareth Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:07 PM No arguments there Joe - though if they can't cut and paste one wonders if some people would be capable of making any coherent statement !!! Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:08 PM There's another thing I'm considering: insisting that people use a consistent name when participating in non-music discussions. If you post at Mudcat more than once leave the name space blank or use a variety of names, I'll ask the JoeClones to delete your post the moment they see it, no questions asked. I haven't implemented that policy yet, and I don't want to have to bother enforcing it; but it seems that might be a solution. Don't like the idea? Tough luck. All you have to do is choose a nickname and use it consistently. That's not too much to ask. I suggest you start doing it now. You don't have to register - just use a consistent nickname. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:12 PM ......snicker...snicker...snicker....... You're on a roll here Joe! (:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Sorcha Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:14 PM Atta Boy, Joe!! |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Gareth Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:16 PM Just to spell out what I think Joe means. In other words if those with constant E Mail addresses, but dont use a constant Moniker - well ZAP |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Bat Goddess Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:19 PM Hear! Hear! Linn |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:21 PM No need for e-mail addresses - I know who you are. Just use a nickname that's consistent, so other people have an idea who you are. That way, they'll know for sure that you're the asshole who posted the same thing a dozen times. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: NicoleC Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:25 PM Sounds utterly reasonable to me, Joe. We do need to get some of this BS under control a bit; the music threads are getting hard to find. It's been said before, but I think the real solution is for people to show a little common sense when starting a new thread, and keep the related items together. And it'll save the Joe Clones the editing effort. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: artbrooks Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:26 PM Joe! Order out of chaos? Acceptence of personal responsibility? What novel concepts! |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,herc Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:28 PM Oh, okay. . . . But does it have to be consistent or can I choose something else? dan |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:32 PM I know who you are... Big Offer is watching you... But I can live with that. Who was it said that there was a lot to be said for a system of government based on benevolent dictatorship tempered by revolution? |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Gareth Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:44 PM Churchill actually Kevin. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:57 PM Revolution? Dammit, Kevin, you're absolutely revolting!! -Joe Offer- ...sorry, old joke... |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Feb 03 - 08:00 PM One thing that might be worth trying, and it doesn't need Joe to do it. When there are threads which seem to be duplicating each other, when we want to reply to a post we can write the reply on the other thread, and stick a link to it on the superfluous one. It'll take a bit longer, because it's necessary to write it so that what we say makes sense to someone who hasn't read the thread and the post to which we are responding; and there's the mechanicas of putting the link in as well, though that doesn't take long. But taking longer over a post isn't a bad thing anyway |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:20 PM Just to be sure we understand: Does this mean that the GUEST with no other nickname is going to disappear altogether? Or just the rude ones? And if GUEST posts to music threads they will stay put? Regardless? Lumping topical BS threads definitely makes sense. Does this go for the PEL threads also? I cruise through the various threads in a recreational sense, and don't post to most of the ones I read. But it wouldn't be any great loss if they disappear, I'd just read more music threads instead. Kind of getting to the whole point of the place, eh? SRS |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Bill D Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:23 PM wow! Joe actually implemented a couple of my suggestions!..hooray!...(a couple of years 'after', but *grin*..better late than...) some folks sure do push you to the limit, hmmm?..ah, well, maybe they have some radio call-in talk shows they can haunt for awhile.... |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:29 PM THANK YOU Joe! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: katlaughing Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:29 PM Excellent, keep 'em coming, Joe!! |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:31 PM NicoleC, I don't have as much of a problem any more. I don't see 99% of the BS: threads any longer. The Filter can remove the BS threads so you ONLY see the threads that don't have BS: in it. I am using this as a link to access Mudcat - http://www.mudcat.org/threads.cfm?Title=BS:&Age=4&Filterout=1. Consider it. There is something in the Mudcat Profile which you can set to keep out BS threads as well. Between those two, I don't see more than one or two of them these days. BTW, I consider the PEL ones to be political and not Music oriented. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Oldguy Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:53 PM Joe: How come no Paypal or some way to pay for purchases with a credit card? Is there some way to limit the length of a post? Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: NicoleC Date: 19 Feb 03 - 09:55 PM I know about the filter but I don't mind the BS threads, George -- I post to more of them than music threads, simply because I don't really have much add to the music threads most of the time. But I still come here primarily to read the music stuff, and I want to read that FIRST. And if it ever happened that we stopped having those fine music discussions here, I wouldn't be back. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Cluin Date: 19 Feb 03 - 11:17 PM That's what I've wondered about... how do these folk find the Mudcat? Do they come for the lyrics and stay for the flaming? |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Tinker Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:13 AM Bravo, Joe... Tinker |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Melani Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:18 AM I tried my first link the other day, and it worked fine on the practice thread, but not when I tried to do it on the discussion thread. Oh well. Maybe someday I'll become computer-literate. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Forum Lurker Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:43 AM Cluin, I think that's the case for most people. It's certainly what happened for me. I greatly appreciate the founding idea of Mudcat, but I just don't know enough about most of the music threads to contribute, or even to really enjoy some of the discussions. I use Mudcat to find lyrics, but I'm simply not involved enough in folk music to be a regular except on the political BS threads. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:43 AM Cluin... I came to search for some lyric information. I posted a question and got zero response. And in checking back over 2-3 days, I found a lot of politically delusional thinking. So I posted a political thing (on the BS thread) and got a HUNDRED responses. 95% of them completely uninformed. So I tagged this as a 'liberal' site and have come back and back as time permits. You folks aren't as belligerent as the hardcore conservatives, but your lack of understanding on some things just CRIES OUT for comment. Liberal, big supporters of public schools. Did you folks know that if we go from 'orange' alert up to 'red' your kids will be 'locked down' in their public schools? And you won't be able to get at them? And they will be 'relocated' for their safety? That's why I've posted items on 'Moloch worship', etc., because our leaders are after our children. Why? Simple kidnapping to raise a soul-less army of psychopaths for the future? Slave labor? Sex slaves? Sacrifices? I don't know, but the mechanism for mass-kidnapping is in place and ready to go. It won't suceed in MY area unless they knock all the adults out first with sprayed drugs or something, otherwise, every cop and soldier they send will be slaughtered. Guranteed. Does YOUR community have contingency plans to protect the young? I'm not bashing the people here or liberals in general, because we're all ignorant compared to someone else, but DAMN folks. Your entire world is about to be socially re-engineered overnight. That mob boss from Pennsylvania, Ridge, has the power now to steal your children. On paper, at least. But did any of you know about it before reading this? I'd wager not. So I make people aware of these things and hope they act on the information. For example... I started a thread today...'How to Save the Internet'. Handful of responses, degenerating into snickering mostly. But Colin Powell's son is going to try to price you off the internet. Small providers will be forced to submit to the majors, and once they are absorbed, there will be no cap on prices. You'll be paying for internet by the minute or through some other pricing scheme that'll make the cost prohibitive. Seems you folks couldn't care less. Is it a money issue...you have plenty and don't care if you have to pay more? Well, that's not the issue here. The issue is cutting off free flow of news. The illegal govt now in place MUST silence people like me. And the low-life thug-family the liberals think of as the 'good people' in Bush's administration...the Powells...are about to secure ALL communications for the Amerikan Homeland. As for cutting and pasting...I just rant and copy it and save it to make my work on the next site easier. And I've learned to use Mudcat's clicky thing, which IS nice. This is a well-thought-out site. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: John in Brisbane Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:58 AM Just passin' through and saw your light on. I'm like George, but only discovered the BS filter a few weeks ago. I appreciate its existence but more particularly that there must be some active editing occurring. I applaud the outcome but am saddened that the censorship became necessary. I used to feel guilty when Joe/Dick would praise (or at least tolerate) the anarchy of Mudcat, whenever that very tyranny made me angry and frustrated. To see Joe in such a determined mood nowadays worries me that (because I agree with him) that I'm much less of a social libertarian than I used to be. I didn't join Mudcat to read others' opinions on non-Music subjects: I've got enough of these in the other aspects of my life. Best wishes for the musical future at Mudcat. Regards, John PS Suggest that all BS: threads be binned after 90 days. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:14 AM THG, there is an awful lot of "other" access to the internet beyond the commercial pay-by-the-month stuff. I think people will always find their way around the high costs, one way or the other. Millions of college students have their fingers of the .edu pulse. There is such a spectrum of universities and schools that it isn't one government that influences all of them. And the Internet started out from universities, so they're going to fight the hardest to keep it intact. I see Forum Lurker has gone from Guest to member. Welcome! SRS |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:26 AM
As for ways of controlling the other problems, I'll leave that undecided for a while, hoping somebody will come up with a perfect suggestion. Maybe the offenders will see the light before my finger gets hot on the delete trigger. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Lin in Kansas Date: 20 Feb 03 - 02:03 AM Right on, Joe! I have been visiting the 'Cat less and less in the last few months. I still care what happens to it, Max and Emily, and the familiar names in the postings (the dreaded "elite" whose handles and senses of humor I recognize). But I am so sick and tired and trying to slog my way neck-deep past the political garbage and religious rantings, that frankly it hasn't been worth my time or effort to do so on the chance I might find a musical thread that's interesting. And yes, I use the damn filters! Don't preach to the choir! My feisty little German grandma taught me at an early age: don't ever argue politics or religion. No one is going to change their own opinion and all you do is make everyone angry. True words to live by--they work for me at any rate. I came here looking for musical information and stayed to enjoy the camaraderie. The atmosphere has changed so much the 'Cat is hardly recognizable. Joe, your proposals sound like they would help. Go for it--and thank you. Lin in Kansas |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 20 Feb 03 - 02:53 AM But Sage... The Homeland Security laws already in place monitor internet usage in libraries. Lock a librarian up for life if he or she reveals an FBI visit demanding a look at the sites YOU visited. In the freakin' UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PEOPLE. First the govt clamped down on the public-access computers, now they'll do it with privately-owned machines. The noose tightens more each day. Little clubs like this which have to self-monitor out of fear of govt reprisals WILL be the way of the future if people don't step up right now and shout down the movement towards govt control of the internet. And as more govt rules are put into place, you'll end up with the song lyric database exclusively (no non-music-related talk allowed), then you'll be told certain lyrics have to be removed because of 'political' content but you'll rationalize it. And someday you'll be left with God Bless America and God Save the Queen in your files. Oh, and if the people here had answered my question about the lyrics when I first appeared, I probably wouldn't have come back. Mudcat really SHOULD be a little nicer to 'guests'. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 20 Feb 03 - 02:57 AM Lin... With all due respect to your grandmother, we're taught to talk about the weather because we can't do anything about it. Makes us feel powerless. The two areas in life we CAN affect...politics and religion...we're told are off-limits by the powers that be. Those are the two areas we CAN affect and which should be discussed endlessly. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:21 AM Amazing to see some of the people (WYSIWYG, CatsPaw, LaughKat)who in their youthful exuberance were the worst offenders, have now begun to see the fulfilment of prophecy and have joined the choir.
Sincerely,
You are four years too late Mr. Joe ... the balance has tipped. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Mudlark Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:22 AM Way to go, Joe! Some people just don't know when to quit. I agree with John in Brisbane...bin all BS, but I'd suggest after 2 weeks. If there is some buried BS treasure that someone doesn't want to lose, the cut and paste technique works beautifully to transfer it to THEIR hard drive. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Big Mick Date: 20 Feb 03 - 08:09 AM It's about friggin' time. I will be the first to admit that my views have changed. In my opinion one should not be able to post without registering. Take the idiotic posts by Hated Guests above. Joe is trying to talk about cut and paste and this fool wants to try and hijack it into a political discussion. Joe and I differ a bit on what this site is. I feel it is a site about Music AND the issues that spawn the music. Probably more the latter than the former these days. I would hate to see the spirited political discussion go as I think that produces understanding. It has certainly helped me evolve in many of my views. But the folks that get perverse enjoyment out of manipulating, and are generally destructive, my opinion is that they should have to post by a consistent handle, and risk banishment. Whose judgement on who goes? Max has already decreed that to be himself, Jeff, and Joe. If you don't like that, go to another site. This place is a wonder, but not perfect. Nothing is. But it is the best site I have found, and these steps are necessary to rescue a very valuable place for the good of the majority of the worldwide folks that find value in it. I am with you Joe. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: RichM Date: 20 Feb 03 - 08:17 AM A wonderful approach, Joe. Why not take it to its logical extent: Publish a list of topics each day, pre-approved by you? On the other hand, I see that the mudcat reg'lars like what you are doing, so I suppose that this ain't a politically correct Mushcat suggestion... |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST Date: 20 Feb 03 - 09:12 AM No RichM, your comments sure aren't politically correct. I agree completely that this "solution" is one being implemented to cater to the desires of regulars who rarely participate in the political threads. It also means that Joe Offer is the de facto moderator of the forum. He can't do what he says he is going to do, without moderating and deleting each post and thread he doesn't like. And he has said he will only censor political threads, so it is pretty obvious this is political censorship, pure and simple. It used to be that folk musicians were at the forefront of the political protest movements. But this turn of events at the largest folk music forum on the internet is just chilling in it's implications. The membership lemmings leapt on the political censorship bandwagon so fast it has given me whiplash, and the war hasn't even started yet. Congratulations on becoming the very thing generations of folk musicians have protested, Mudcat. I suppose you will start your censorship with my post here, eh Joe? Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted. |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Feb 03 - 09:30 AM Where's the censorship? Joe says---"I don't routinely delete threads because they're political or controversial. I DO delete cut-and-paste non-music articles when I find them. We don't have room for people to debate simply by throwing newspaper articles at each other - but we DO allow political discussions if people express their own opinions. -Joe-" Simple rule.....Your opinions are fine, but having a "cut and paste debate" is out. The material can be included, just make a link. As to the other issue of names, you are still not required membership, just use a consistent name and you're okay. Too much to ask? Again, where is the censorship. With rights come responsibilities.......Now if you don't want any responsibility, then it seems to me you are censoring yourself. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: nutty Date: 20 Feb 03 - 09:58 AM RichM , Guest and all you other dissenters .... you are talking as if Joe has just thought this up and is doing it as a personal slight to you. If you have been in Mudcat over the past couple of years you will know that the situation has been getting worse and that Joe has tried, with infinite patience, to get you all to see reason. You all have deliberately ignored his requests and insisted on doing things your own way. Well, now you are being asked once again to be reasonable ... to show some moderation ..... to use a link instead of cutting and pasting ....... How difficult is that?? Are you not capable of posting a link or composing a precise???? Come on now .... be fair |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 20 Feb 03 - 09:59 AM GUEST - I suppose you will start your censorship with my post here, eh Joe?
Sorry guest, Joe's censorship began years ago with me....and it continues today...whenever I verbally kick one of his thin-skinned critters.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: katlaughing Date: 20 Feb 03 - 10:13 AM Clearly posted by Joe in the Newcomer's Guide: "What about Censorship? "We try very hard to preserve freedom of expression here at Mudcat, so we edit and delete messages as sparingly as we can. However, part of that freedom is that people should feel safe to be here and express their ideas without fear of being bullied or threatened. Heated discussions are generally considered "protected" around here, but if you find a post that is seriously offensive because it is a threat or a personal attack, let me or Max or Pene know about it and we'll take a look at it." |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: JudeL Date: 20 Feb 03 - 10:23 AM It seems to me that if someone really believes in the ideas and the political stance that they are posting then they they would be proud and welcolme the opportunity to have it recognised and acknowledged as their contribution. Those that hide behind the dubious screen of anonymity obviously do not have the courage of their convictions and do not really believe the often vitriolic claptrap they claim to be their point of view. I do not see the problem with expecting the bare minimum of curtesy of consistantly acknowledging your own posts. Also hosting the cat takes up a lot of space, why should that be wasted on people who are not even discussing their own views but merely cutting and pasting someone else's. Finally, it is free to join, you post under a handle which does not have to be your real name even when you are a member. If you can't post as a member e.g cos the machine you are using won't accept cookie, or you have a genuine reason for needing to distance yourself from your normal handle e.g. you are posting something which asks for help on a delicate matter you have the option of using a temporary handle. Those who don't even bother to use a temporary handle or clutter the cat with lots of cut and paste have only themselves to blame if their posts get deleted. This is not political censorship but an insistance on observing mudcat etiquette. Not only do I agree with Joe's stance but I wonder if (for music threads) it could be possible to assign a tag to anonomous guest posts , the same one being assigned to all anonomous posts from the same id. Just a thought |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: Lepus Rex Date: 20 Feb 03 - 10:28 AM Well, I think these ideas blow, like, 50 yards of monkey cock, Joe. A few crybaby, control-freak members whining to you like bitches every time they're "disturbed" by a nameless GUEST is no reason to delete ANY post by anyone posting without a name, "no questions asked." Even if I thought that deleting an anon. GUEST's posts were a good, fair thing for you to do (which I don't), I don't know of a member who hasn't lost their cookie and accidentally posted anonymously. And members, not those filthy GUESTs, are numero uno with you, Joe. Do you really want to delete their posts? And again, I think members who find a person's anonymity so disturbing should get a life/a hobby/laid/etc., because, people, your stalker-like obsessions are getting creepy. Oh, yeah, the cut-and-paste/similar threads thing: If you click on a link made here in, say, in 1998, chances are that link is now dead because the information linked is now gone/moved. Some threads are started based on linked information, and without that info being cut and pasted into the thread, the discussion makes little or no sense to anyone reading it after a year or so. I've never minded your trimming/linking policy, but simply deleting all cut-and-paste based threads is heavy-handed. And "consolidating" similar threads often strips all pre-consolidation posts to those threads of all meaning, as they're jumbled together with unrelated posts. And a limit on political thread creation? Jesus, is this really such a problem? To, uh, summarise: I know you're frustrated, but seriously, bad fucking ideas, Joe. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Cut-and-Paste Prohibitions From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Feb 03 - 10:58 AM Lepus, Joe isn't going to delete posts by those who have lost their cookie. He said: "There's another thing I'm considering: insisting that people use a consistent name when participating in non-music discussions. If you post at Mudcat more than once leave the name space blank or use a variety of names, I'll ask the JoeClones to delete your post the moment they see it, no questions asked. I haven't implemented that policy yet, and I don't want to have to bother enforcing it; but it seems that might be a solution. Don't like the idea? Tough luck. All you have to do is choose a nickname and use it consistently. That's not too much to ask. I suggest you start doing it now. You don't have to register - just use a consistent nickname."......Joe All that does is put a tiny responsibility on anyone posting to be sure they have used a consistent name. What's the problem with that? It would make conversing in those threads a lot easier....I can say "lepus" (even if you're a guest) instead of "Guest @ 10:28 AM, 20 Feb, 03"....Not too big a deal is it? And as for links disappearing, the policy to post the text in music threads is because they do disappear.....HOWEVER, people come here looking for music info. Who the hell comes here looking for political discussions that we had four years ago? And if they do, they're in the wrong place. What Max is trying to save for posterity if you will, are things related to folk and blues.....not on whether or not Powell is a pawn of Bush or whatever. Again....no censorship....just taking some responsibility. And Leeps, you have never seemed to me to be one who would be expert in 50 yards of monkey cock........I mean, I could be wrong........... Spaw |
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