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Grammy Winners!

GUEST 24 Feb 03 - 07:28 AM
Steve Latimer 24 Feb 03 - 08:28 AM
GUEST,eavesdropper 24 Feb 03 - 08:50 AM
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Alba 24 Feb 03 - 09:25 AM
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Alba 24 Feb 03 - 10:09 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 24 Feb 03 - 10:12 AM
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Ron Olesko 24 Feb 03 - 11:37 AM
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Subject: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:28 AM

Here are a few of the gongs Norah Jones didn't win:

Traditional Folk Album: "Legacy," Doc Watson and David Holt.

Contemporary Folk Album: "This Side," Nickel Creek.

Native American Music Album: "Beneath the Raven Moon," Mary Youngblood.

Reggae Album: "Jamaican E.T.," Lee "Scratch" Perry.

World Music Album: "Mundo," Ruben Blades.

Boxed or Special Limited Edition Package: "Screamin' and Hollerin' The Blues: The Worlds of Charley Patton," Susan Archie, art director.

Album Notes: David Evans, album notes writer (Charley Patton).

Rock Gospel Album: "Come Together," Third Day.

Pop-Contemporary Gospel Album: "The Eleventh Hour," Jars of Clay.

Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album: "We Called Him Mr. Gospel Music: The James Blackwood Tribute Album."

Traditional Soul Gospel Album: "Higher Ground," The Blind Boys of Alabama.

Contemporary Soul Gospel Album: "Sidebars," Eartha.

Gospel Choir or Chorus Album: "Be Glad," Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.

Traditional Blues Album: "A Christmas Celebration of Hope," B.B. King.

Contemporary Blues Album: "Don't Give up on Me," Solomon Burke.

Traditional Tropical Latin Album: "El Arte del Sabor," Bebo Valdes Trio.

Salsa Album: "La Negra Tiene Tumbao," Celia Cruz.

Merengue Album: "Latino," Grupo Mania.

Mexican-Mexican-American Album: "Lo Dijo el Corazon," Joan Sebastian.

Tejano Album: "Acuerdate," Emilio Navaira.

Female Country Vocal Performance: "Cry," Faith Hill.

Male Country Vocal Performance: "Give My Love to Rose," Johnny Cash.

Country Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal: "Long Time Gone," Dixie Chicks.

Country Collaboration with Vocals: "Mendocino County Line," Willie Nelson with Lee Ann Womack.

Country Instrumental Performance: "Lil' Jack Slade," Dixie Chicks.

Country Song: "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)," Alan Jackson (Alan Jackson).

Bluegrass Album: "Lost in the Lonesome Pines," Jim Lauderdale, Ralph Stanley.

Pop Instrumental Performance: "Auld Lang Syne," B.B. King.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:28 AM

A few of my favourite artists won, Willie Nelson & Ralph Stanley. I guess I'd better get that Lauderdale/Stanley album.

Has anyone heard the Charley Patton CD. Is it Patton or a tribute to Patton with other artists doing his songs? If it is Patton, what is the sound quality like. The only Patton CD that I have has terrible sound quality.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST,eavesdropper
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:50 AM

Question...who was the bushy headed imbecile with B B King. The Afroskant should have "stayed" on the porch.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:25 AM

"The Afroskant should have "stayed" on the porch."

What on earth does this mean??? What do you mean by "Afroskant"?


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Alba
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:25 AM

The woman with BB KING is called Erika Badoo (don't know if that's how you spell it!!). She definetly sings better than she presents (understatement)....."bad do" being a fair observation!
James Taylor and YoYo MA were a treat though:>)
As usual though all the awards that I would want to see being presented are done so when the cameras aren't there!!
Big cheer for " Lost in the lonesome pines" Ralph Stanley and Jim Launderdale. Now if THEY had played it would have made the whole shambles worth watching.
The event never fails to come over as disorganised chaos puncuated with smatterings of greatness. A stomach churning embarrasement for some viewers well me anyway, as they watch person after person fumble. trip and otherwise blow their 2 minutes of fame and for some, their opportunity to perform live without the "studio" help and failing miserably...............James Taylor and YoYo Ma though.......lovely.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:30 AM

I only caught a few snippets of the program. Thought Springsteen was dire. Now I wish I had seen the James Taylor/Yo Yo Ma spot.

I did see Erykah Badu (that is the correct spelling). I loved her hair, and she did fine reading the teleprompter after she started over. A case of nerves and missing the rehearsal seemed to be the problem. I'm guessing B B King wasn't exactly the best reader of the teleprompter last night either--his reading wasn't much better than hers.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST,eavesdropper
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:33 AM

In Other Words...crackheads such as this should not be allowed near greats such as B B King who was visibly embarassed. In Other Words...people such as this should kept where they belong - back on the streets.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:43 AM

Hey eavesdropper, you are one racist asshole.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Peg
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:47 AM

troll alert! racist troll at that...just lovely. Hopefully Joe will kick this idiot's ass out of here.

I'd heard a newly-released album of poetry by Dylan Thomas was up for an award; anyone know if it won?


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:48 AM

BTW, the award that Erykah Badu and B B King were presenting was the 2003 Trustees Award to Alan Lomax. You can read about it at the Grammy website here:

http://grammy.aol.com/features/2003/0221_lomax.html


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Alba
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:09 AM

Peg......the spoken word album award went to Maya Angelou for her album "A song flung up to heaven"
As for the "TROLL" I have to agree with you there. Sad, Sad creature.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:12 AM

The Charlie Patton boxed set is his complete recordings, and it costs something like $150-160. Needless to say, I'll never hear it. I have an lp of Charlie and never felt driven to buy a CD, because the lp is almost unlistenable... was the day that I bought it. My friend Pat Conte bought it, and just raved about it, and the reviews have been great. Patton apparently recorded everything from traveling medicine show songs to a wide range of blues, and perhaps some gospel, too. Only a very small portion of it was re-issued until now, so this is a major contribution to early blues. I can listen to Blind Willie Johnson with no problem, even though his voice is probably even rougher than Charlie Pattons. If they've cleaned up the old recordings, or found better source material, maybe we could haer Charlie Patton like he sounded. He was certainly a genius, and a major influence on later bluesmen..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:12 AM

Here is a complete list of the nominees. No Dylan Thomas on the list.

Grammy nominees


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:01 AM

Jerry,

I might have the CD version of the vinyl that you have. It's too bad the qualiry is so bad. I have a lot of stuff from that era that has excellent sound quality. Maybe the box is better, but at $150 I'm not going to own it either. I love Blind Willie Johnson.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Willie-O
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:10 AM

...and losers.

They're cryin' in their coffee in Napanee, Ontario--Avril Lavigne was shut out. Biggest flash in the pan since...since I dunno.

Just maybe, everyone will slightly shut up about her now. Twould be a relief. Let sk8er gURL grow up a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually developed as an artist.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:13 AM

I think her "Complicated" is a brilliant pop song, and her band was first rate.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:37 AM

Let's not forget Tom Chapin who won the Grammy for Best Spoken Word For Children for his narration of "The Old Lady Who Swallowed A Fly".

This is the second year in a row that Tom has won the award in the catagory.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 12:40 PM

What about Cathy & Marcy??

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Steve-o
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 12:42 PM

Everyone knows the Grammys have been a farce for quite a few years. I doubt that Erykah Badu even knows (or cares) who Alan Lomax was. Who the hell chose her to present that award? Oops, sorry GUEST- I should be more understanding of that famous nitwit....might get called a racist! The saving grace of the whole self-congratulatory, big music industry-fueled show was JT and Yo Yo Ma....real music, real class.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 12:53 PM

Saying you dislike Erykah Badu and/or her music, or saying you think the Grammies are a sell out, won't get you called a racist, Steve-o. Personally, I'm not an Erykah Badu music fan either. But I thought her "look" last night was just fine--a 60s retro look for a young African American woman. I agree she botched her first attempt at reading the teleprompter badly. But that isn't inexcusable--these people are making a television appearance in front of an audience of millions of people. I'd be pretty damn nervous and likely to blow my lines too.

However, if you had referred to her as "Afroskant", said she should have "stayed on the porch", called her a "crackhead" who should be "kept where she belongs--on the street"...that would definitely get you called a racist.

These are simple distinctions to make, though.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:06 PM

BTW steve-o, I note neither you or eavesdropper maliciously attacked Dustin Hoffman for his hugely obvious gaffes...


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Steve-o
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:07 PM

I said nothing about Erykah's "look" or her "music"- I don't even CONSIDER either one. I said she was a lousy choice to present an award to Alan Lomax, who she obviously couldn't care less about.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Jim Colbert
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:11 PM

My only complaint... well, not about the grammies in general, I gotta lot of problem with them... I loved the JT and YYM, but it would have been neat to have heard him do something from October road, which is a pretty damn good album. I enjoyed the S&g opening number, although those boys still don't look comfortable being around each other any more. And frankly, I enjoyed the Springsteen/costello/van zant/foo fighters dude doing London Calling at the very end. Man, I haven't given a crap about the Clash in nearly 20 years but that made me wanna listen to my old vinyl. (That I sold years ago anyway!)

Hey, anyone notice how many of these new folks was just plain singing FLAT?! Gee, wonder if they're getting any help in the studio with pitch correction! (Yes, that's a fascetious comment. I've heard the Antares stuff is like the spell-check of modern music.)


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:22 PM

Art - Cathy and Marcy did not win


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:26 PM

I didn't see the Clash tribute. I thought Springsteen & E Street Band sounded dire doing his nominated song "The Rising".


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Mark Ross
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:27 PM

What really got me was the segue from the announcement about Lomax to
"Alan Lomax knew what really good songs were all about, and now let's go to the songwriting awards...."(or something to that effect). The difference being, of course, that the songs (for the most part) that interested Lomax had all stood the test of time. In the short run the Folk have no taste, In the long run, their taste is impeccable.
That may sound like preaching but I get more more disgusted with the music industry every year, and the Grammys are just the tip of the iceberg. I, and my lady love, both thought that the show was really boring.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST,Latino Migrant
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:53 PM

I was very disappointed that the latino musicians did not get better coverage than they did. But watch out gringos, the south-of-the-border flood is overwhelming and soon values will change in our favor.
Salsa will be the music of choice very soon. I agree with some of the others about Badu. What a poor choice to give an award to anyone.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 02:53 PM

Erykah Badu is no stranger choice than most other presenters & the awards they present.

Like Harvey Fierstein in his Hairspray drag, with Rod Stewart and a mini dog giving an award for anything.

The awards show isn't about music, it's about show biz.

But I am amused at the number here who say they hated the awards...right up to the final presentation.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Blues=Life
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:14 PM

Badu was awful. She was right in that she should have gone to rehersal... it's called being professional, which she obviously wasn't. BB looked embarrassed, but Lomax's daughter looked pissed. And well she should have been. Wasn't Badu the one who excused herself by saying, "But I look good!" Hell's bells, you're right, that excuses EVERYTHING!
It was especially nice to see a jazz singer take home the lion's share of the awards. That had to be a pretty awesome night to have when you're only 23 years old. Now what you gonna do for an encore, Ms. Jones? *G*
Let's hope she keeps putting out good music, she sure beats the hell out of Eminem.
Blues


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Jim Colbert
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:23 PM

I liked a comment my friend made a few years ago when they gave Shelby Lynne best new artist: Grammy's gone senile.

You're right on the money, guest, whoever you are, when they said it was about show business. They get it right every now and then, but wrong more often than not.

And Latino migrant- nothing wrong with latin music, not my cup of tea personally, but just don't expect it to get the push and coverage you're looking for until the mostly white, older guys that run the music entertainment business see the potential dollar signs and money in their pocket. It's still LA and NY that is going to decide what is worthy of coverage.

I thought the rising was okay- nothing more. The mix seemed very lackluster. My problem with that whole disc- and understand, I love Springsteen- was he had really good songs and lyrics and buried them in 1980 production- I would have loved to have heard these songs in a more stripped down, almost Tom Joad type setting, or at least with a lighter band sound. But as me granny used to say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one! (and last time I checked, I hadn't gotten any messages from the Boss asking me what I thought!)

jim


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:59 PM

Blues=Life, I think there were plenty of folks who were awful on the Grammies. But this year, I was happy with a number of the winners. I'm happy Norah Jones swept the big ones. I was very pleased Tony Bennett was honored again--did he sing? I'm glad Doc won, that Nickel Creek won, and that Blind Boys of Alabama won--did we hear them sing?

What is off-putting to me in the way they do the Grammies, is they try and make it like network MTV awards. Why can't we hear some of the older, more seasoned musicians perform on the program? A sampling of the Latino stuff, the gospel choirs, that sort of thing? Instead the emphasis is all on whatever is the latest fad, the sparkly new, the young and not very seasoned musicians.

I'd rather have heard Aretha sing, than Norah Jones.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:03 PM

I was a bit irked by the choices of people to make awards. Someone has a wicked sense of humor or possibly thought that people from remotely related fields would create more interest in the awards. Too bad they did not have someone who respected Lomax or at least knew who he was making his presentation. That could be said for all the presentations. But as has been said before, this was about the industry not the music. Though I did not care all that much for what he did, it was kind of nice seeing a 16 year old with the courage to go on stage with an acoustic guitar as his sole accompaniment. Taylor and Yo Yo Ma, whom I really enjoyed, and the Dixie Chicks, who actually sang were a nice contrast to Faith Hill, who looked nice, in a cheap sort of way, screaming at the top of her lungs.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:13 PM

Well, glad to see Springsteen win a few. Having known him personally in the late 60's, when he was with Child, then Steel Mill it's been a pleasure to watch him evolve. Man, he can still rock!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 07:39 AM

Guest Arkie, I agree a million % about the presenters. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to who they select to do the presenting. If it is a musician, it makes sense to me. It made sense to me that B B King present the award for Lomax. It did not make sense to me that Erykah Badu & the other dude (don't know who he was) were involved in the presentation. Same with having Harvey Fierstein in his Hairspray drag, and Rod Stewart with a mini mongrel.

I wish they would focus on music. It used to be that you could watch the Grammies and see an incredibly diverse amount of music, and some of the best talents in the business perform. I'm sorry, but has anyone told Faith Hill she really can't sing? And why couldn't we have heard The Clash and Tito Puente when they were alive? Why can't we ever hear any of the Grammy nominated classical music performances?

Answer: dumbed down to MTV standards network television. Despite the fact that it is the baby boomers who now buy more CDs than any other age group (our kids are busy downloading it for free, and burning their own CDs), and it is our age group that watches network TV more than any other, the Grammies seems to get it more and more wrong every year. I WANT to hear Tony Bennett, Diana Krall, Herbie Hancock, Grupo Mania, Emilio Navaira, Doc Watson & David Holt, Maya Angelou, the San Francisco Symphony with Michael Tilson Thomas conducting Mahler's Symphony No. 6, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Choir conducted by Robert Spano performing Vaughan Williams' "A Sea Symphony"...

Every one of them Grammy winners on the night.


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: Blues=Life
Date: 26 Feb 03 - 07:04 AM

Guest,
They CAN'T put Doc Watson on stage at the Grammy's. Think what it would do to the industry when an 80 year old guy buried all the little puppies with talent. 20-somethings can't take that much reality! *G*

Blues


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Subject: RE: Grammy Winners!
From: allanwill
Date: 26 Feb 03 - 08:38 AM

I don't watch the Grammys. Maybe if they recorded all the "alternate" awards, with performances by nominated artists, and showed it at a separate time?

I'm curious if anyone has compared Norah Jones to Eva Cassidy?

Allan


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