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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: mg Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:48 AM I think it is almost impossible for people to reach a good weight without good information and without being told all sorts of scare stories about what will happen if they eat correctly for their metabolic type. I think that is the problem behind the obesity/diabetes epidemic..they are pretty much one and the same and the diabetic process is the weight gaining process. And insulin is now considered by many medical anthropologist types to be for the purpose of putting on fat, rather than regulating blood sugar. There are all sort s of evolutionary theories combining with good medical and biochemical research to at least have the information out there..read Dr. Schwarzbein, Dr. Mary Enig..and the metabolic body typing diet book. Some people, and I am surely one, have to eat what others would consider a sinfully high amount of protein and fats...and I am not eating enough of them..when I do I lose weight...I am pretty much breaking even..of course you can eat all the green vegetables (except peas) and some other fiber vegetables plus certain amounts of fruits, grains, legumes etc. If you are overweight, please read one of these books, plus Dr. Bernsteins Diabetes Solution...get a glucose meter and test yourself...listen to your body...not to the Family Circle nutritionists who want you to eat grapes and pretzels in great abundance. If you need more protein and more fats (good fats..which seem to be olive oil, coconut oil, dairy fats especially butter and some nut oils) and you don't give your body that, it will go into this insulin cycle where you produce too much insulin, turn your calories into fat and get immune type disease, plus of course diabetes. Read the books. The information is out there. So forum lurker, it would be best if you read these books before giving any more advice. mg |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Cluin Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:27 AM I've always found that good food and good music go together. There's usually an unmerciful fee-add at lots of jam sessions. Those who get invited to more of them will just naturally put on some pounds. And the Guinness (and other libations) doesn't exactly count as Slimfast. Stick that in your bicycle shorts. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Forum Lurker Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:03 AM Now, I'm not a dietician or metabolic specialist, so if I'm wrong I apologize, but even if someone has glandular or other biochemical problems, shouldn't eating less drop their fat levels? If your metabolism is slow, that means you need fewer calories, but you can still cut your caloric intake under your usage, can't you? Basically what I'm asking is, while metabolic differences might make it harder to take off weight, is it really the case that one can be metabolically unable to reach a healthy weight without surgery? |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:41 PM Ah ha! Now I know why gargoyle has a problem with empathy- he has never forgiven himself for being overweight. But never fear, when he has taken off those last 25 excess pounds, his whole persona will become very different. In fact, he will change his Mudcat name to 'Old Sweetness and Light'. I can hardly wait. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bev and Jerry Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:34 PM Bandwidth is not about fat musicians. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: mack/misophist Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:30 PM A note to gargoyle: The combined Scandinavian Medical Associations did a study many years ago. At that time and place there was a large population of families that had lived in roughly the same area for centuries. They found that persistant obesity is hereditary, without doubt. Furthermore, recalcitrant obesity was most often found in the families that had always been subsistance farmers. In a very cold climate, it's a survival characteristic. Now go wash your mouth out with soap. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:28 PM Only in the later harvesting age has fat been "an advantage."
It was the lean, mean, who took down the gazzeleen
CARBO's are NOT your friend |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:22 PM (yes, I am aware that too much junk food and easy access to calories have pushed many individuals to levels that they would NOT have reached in days when exercise was how you GOT food!) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:20 PM I know people who could lose weight, and some who REALLY have a metabolism which makes it almost impossible. Surgery 'could' help in some cases, but that is expensive and not without risk. For centuries, fat was a survival factor...now that it is not, it will take awhile to be bred out of the species...like 10,000 years or so? |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:15 PM "Uncompassionate"?????? Gargoyle?????? Naw!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Amos Date: 24 Feb 03 - 11:08 PM Garg: I am sure that was true for you. It is NOT true in all cases . There are several factors that can lead to obesity which have nothing to do with will power. It is also extremely uncompassionate to make such a bald and unscientific statement. A |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Forum Lurker Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:57 PM Maryrrf, I think a fair amount of it is just that folk music, being less mainstream, tends to care less about image and more about substance. When folk musicians turn out music videos, appearance matters. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:55 PM Like a "recovered alchy" I have no patience with the excuses. You are FAT because you WANT to be fat.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Maryrrf Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:53 PM But don't you think that there is less discrimination where appearance/age etc. is concerned in the folk/traditional music world? I mean, it would be very very difficult to break into pop music nowadays if you are not young, glamorous and attractive. It might make things a little more difficult in the folk world but it wouldn't be impossible, would it? That reminds me of an incident several years ago. I was living in New Jersey and went to a Latin music street festival in Newark. A woman stood up to sing and I have to say she was quite overweight, middle aged and not very attractive, and she was wearing a tight flouncy dress that wasn't very flattering. But she had a gorgeous voice, put so much feeling into the music, and my lord but she could dance! In about 30 seconds she had the audience in the palm of her hand! |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM Since loosing 45 pounds...not only do I look and FEEL better...I now PERFORM better. (Not to mention the chicks now hit on me....not me on them.
Yes-...There is prejudice against weight...and IT IS Justified. Fat people lack stamina, patience, and self-discipline.
Sincerely,
I have 20 more pounds to go...and after 12 months they still remain...but spring is coming and it will happen. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Amos Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:51 PM Actually I don't think I have ever read a fat post here, or heard a fat song from anyone on the 'Cat. Statistical anomaly? I don't _think_ so! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Rick Fielding Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:42 PM It's true though.....EVEN in non-judgmental folk music. Do you remember when Alison Krause was first discovered? Nice little Bluegrass band. Then came the extreme weight loss and bizarre make-up. But......that's when Nashville noticed her and she started getting all that high profile work. You barely see her anymore. And it's not because the Dixie Chicks are better....but they ARE more glamorous. If there's money involved, there's weight (and any other kind) discrimination. But.....some have toughed through it! Cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:10 PM we take all sizes here at Mudcat...weight is a personal matter, as is whether YOU are concerned about it health-wise. Music is a different category. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:59 PM Bee-dubya-ell, I'm overweight but perfect or not I would hesitate to say that I'm as big as THREE people. :) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:11 PM The only discrimination I'm ever subjected to is that of jealous people who won't associate with me because I'm perfect in every way. I'll tell ya, it's rough being Sean Connery, Albert Einstein and Tony Rice all rolled into one. (INSERT BIG STUPID GRINNING GREEN SMILEY FACE HERE.) Bruce |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,Les B. Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:53 PM Just think of Mama Cass, Bessie Smith, Burl Ives, and all those opera singers. A bit of heft seems to help some people belt it out! |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:22 PM Remember, it ain't over till the fat lady sings. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Forum Lurker Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:10 PM I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this, and I might deserve some of it, but there's a very real difference between being "a bit hefty" and being obese. About 1 in 3 Americans is genuinely obese (I don't know the figures for other countries), and it poses serious health risks. It can, if fact, affect singing (lungpower) and instrumental music (manual dexterity). While it's certainly stupid for someone to assume you're a bad musician because you're overweight, I have little sympathy for people who have unhealthy eating and exercise habits, and don't take responsibility for their own physical condition. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:43 PM Chuckle! People will jump at the chance to be judgemental these days, and the more perfect you are, the more people go out of their way, when it suits them. Too this... too that, wish your dog was like my cat... Too smug for me to hug You're nothing but conceit... Don't shrug you little bug, you'll never be complete. ttr |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,Shiny Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:09 PM I would say it's a bit presumptious of you to say that 50% of people are well endowed? I myself can't complain, but I don't like to boast... :) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: SINSULL Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:46 PM Not by Mudcatters. Never! Please note: about 50% are well endowed. And most have a sense of humor about it. Hear RIB's "Built For Comfort Not For Speed" and Kendall's "I Just Don't Look Good Naked Anymore" and you'll understand. Welcome. Mary |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Kudzuman Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:18 PM Sure! I myself and my wife are both hefty individuals and we get this look occasionally until we start to play and then most folks seem to forget it. I remember quite a few years back when Peter,Paul and Mary got back together for the first time in many years and an acquaintance had been able to go see them. All they said was,"Wow! Mary was really Fat!" Small minds is all I can say. Joel Mabus who is a magnificent guitarist and songwriter is a bit hefty himself. Who cares? If its good music, it's good and I'm sorry for the thin snobs. Kudzuman Go ahead and join the Mudcat!! It's painless and can be a source of great JOY!!! |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: JedMarum Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:13 PM sorry to hear it, but some people look for any reason to disregard others, still others have expectations set by initial appearance. The good news for you is, you can blow 'em away when you get out your instrument. If not; they ain;t worth it, anyway! Welcome to Mcat! |
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Subject: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,soon to be a member... Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:00 PM Has anyone ever been regarded coldly or treated as though you couldn't possibly be any good musically because you are overweight? I have... and I hate it. I percieve myself as very talented and am saddened that people get judged by their appearances, even in such a supposedly liberal field like the performance biz... Any thoughts? JoiningSoon |
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