Mudcat CD

Subject: Mudcat CD
From: GUEST,Harper
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 05:41 PM

I've been intending to order one of the Mudcat Blue Plate Special CDs. A couple of weeks ago I decided it was time to do it. Then I realized there were 5 of them to choose between. I looked at the lists of tunes/songs on each. Seemed that each one had several that I wouldn't want to miss. Actually the price was better, ordering all five, so I went for it. Just received them yesterday. I've been playing them all day.    I couldn't be more impressed. Such variety! Such talent! Such a bargain. If you haven't ordered yours, Order them all!!

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 05:47 PM

I've just played Orchid for the first time (having received them all yesterday).


They are simply astonishing. If anyone is in doubt whether to buy these or the latest CD from your favourite "name" - there's no choice. Get these. You won't regret it.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 05:56 PM

Absolutely. I'll never tire of them and there isn't one I'd want to give up. Not only are they astonishingly good but Amos did a wonderful job with the order in which he presents them. I particularly remember Hesperis's 'Skylark', which creates a mood you wouldn't believe- then there is a pause, and then comes a perfect next cut.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM

Thanks, Harper! We appreciate your purchase which helps keep this forum on the air.

So why don't you join? Membership is free, and has its privileges.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 09:15 PM

And don't forget to print out the liner notes, with lyrics, to go with your CDs!

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:45 AM

Where are the liner notes???

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 02:46 AM

Hi, Ron - for liner notes, check the crosslinks up at the top of this thread.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 03:28 PM

Wow!! I just heard from some local friends who have never been on the 'Cat that they ordered theirs and they arrived yesterday.   This is wonderful!


A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:39 PM

Whooppeee!

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Tweed
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 10:26 PM

Whooopeee is right Mz.Sorchy, and if any of you've forgotten where and how to order these things then go

**HERE**

Christmas is gone but there's a vernal equinox or something coming up soon, so get those orders in.

Yerz,
Tweed

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 12:41 AM

Joe,

Unless I'm missing something, I checked the threads above and could not find "liner notes".   Sure, I found several threads with the name "liner notes" in the topic, but the threads revealed a series of unconnected replies that vary in style and content.

I hope I am just overlooking it. Is there any ONE file that contains ACTUAL liner notes for this magnificent series?

Ron

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 01:00 AM

I've had the Mudcat CD's playing all afternoon. It's nice with a 5-CD changer, to put all of them in and put it on random play. They blow me away, how great these performances are! And what a lot of work it was to produce such excellent disks. My hat is off to all of you!

I haven't printed out the liner notes, but if you look at the perma thread at the top of this thread, Ron, you should find them. Five of them, one for each CD.

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:33 AM

Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly or I am missing the thread you are pointing to. I went to the perma threads and found a series of disjointed messages that are not liner notes by any stretch of the imagination. Each thread (for each CD) has a number of messages, out of sequence and in no real uniform style.

I am looking for a printable text - in some sort of order. Something that I can print out in a readable form. I see in one of the threads that Genie was planning to do this. Any word?

Ron

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Tweed
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:38 AM

Dere Mr. Olaska,
I think it's still a work in progress and perhaps not all the singers have contributed liners for all the songs yet. I expect Genie may be waiting to get all completed before arranging them into a final order.
Yerz,
Tweed

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:16 AM

Oops. Looks like it's cut and paste until someone comes up with the definitive thread. I should'a looked closer first.

I noticed at the thread for the North Texas Irish Festival that they had a link to their schedule in Word format. It appeared on the browser page without opening a Word window, and when you printed it, it came out by default in the landscape format. Though it takes more work to prepare a document to load and print in a special way, it should be possible to prepare these liner notes to come out with small fonts the size of the CD cases.

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:19 AM

The material is still being gathered inthose threads, ron and they are all we have in the way of real line notes just now. Once the final information is complete there should be no problem laying them out in a PDF file for each CD. We could even impose on weed to post them on his web site perhaps if he was willin;?

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Tweed
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:31 AM

I kin do that Amos. I iz still willin' and a staunch supporter ov this enterprize. I'd have to put it up there in standard html format though, at least til I figger out how to do PDF, but that ain't no big deal. Whar's our Genie? We haz one last wish fer her to grant ;~)
Yerz,
Tweed

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: treewind
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:52 AM

Creating PDF's in Windows is as easy as printing with the free PDF995 utility which installs itself as a Windows printer.

I vote for PDF and HTML, and not Word, which certainly won't display on my browser!

Anahata

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:55 AM

Word prints to PDF in most versions anyway. They can be displayed in HTML surely. Treewind couuld probably tell you, Tweed, exactly how to add the link that downloads the file in PDF to the client's disk.

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:57 AM

Genie's at her folks' house here in SD and I'll be seeing her at the Park hoot at noon today, along with bold Naemanson who is driving all the way from Point Hueneme! Yeehaw! So I'll mention this thread to her.


A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 12:04 PM

It wasn't a true Word file, perhaps some sort of Word reader. I'm not a fan of Word if something else is available. The distiller program for making PDF files is also available in Adobe Pagemaker. Has anyone used that little free program? How does it work? (I could use something like that! I don't have the $$ for Adobe Pagemaker).

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 07:37 PM

How it works essentially is it puts the postscript output that most printdriver produce into aviewable form using a reader. (Acrobat reader). So most good WPrs will be able to save to PDF directly and if they can't you can print to file in Postscript and Adobe Acrobat will generate a PDF from the .ps files.


A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 07:51 PM

I hate PDF - you can't search it, at least I can't. I'd much sooner it's put on the Cat in Html.

It's easy enough to print it out, or move it to word and use whatever sort of format anyone wants.

But the basic thing is, whatever is most convenient for Genie.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 09:03 PM

Isn't it easier to just make it as a word doc?

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:50 PM

Ron, here is an example of liner notes (as much as I've been able to collect to date) from the Violet CD.   http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55152#855768
And here is a nearly complete set for Strawberry:  http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55131#855439

And here http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55152#875541is the smaller-print version of the Violet CD liner notes, formatted to fit into the CD case (width-wise) if you print them directly from the thread and fold or cut them to fit (length-wise).

(If you try to copy and paste, you will lose the formatting, I think.)

The song notes that were submitted for Violet after I posted those "printable" liner notes are here: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55152#885269

As I've said in a couple of the Perma Threads, I'll post complete notes, in proper sequence and in the small print for each CD as soon as we get notes for all the songs on the CD.  Trying to insert the missing pieces one at a time within the HTML jungle is really tedious.

The good news is that we're really close to being complete on a couple of the Perma Threads.  If you know any of the folks who haven't submitted important parts of their liner notes (e.g., who's playing what instrument, who wrote the song and when, or what the lyrics are), please feel free to light a fire under them.

Genie

PS, I could email them to folks as a Word document, I guess, but the best way I know to make sure the formatting stays the same is to print them directly from the thread.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Night Owl
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 12:04 AM

Genie Having trouble here with the link for the "smaller print liner notes". The other links you posted work ok, but I get "page cannot be found" for the third link. Just a problem with my computor??

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 12:24 AM

Naw, Night Owl, it's a bad link. DK what went wrong. Let's try it again:

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55152#875541?threadid=55152

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 12:26 AM

Genie,

On the first of several links you posted, on violet you need to close your underline html (at the end of "Teasin')--it's underlined throughout the document after that.

3. Love Is Teasin'
(trad.- arr. Alice Flynn)

The printable version looks excellent. I couldn't open the "small print" one.

Looks good--and like a lot of work!

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:57 AM

SRS, the amended link right above your post should take you to Part I of the small print liner notes.

Thanks for catching that formatting error, too.

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:02 AM

Funny thing, SRS, I just went to the links on Violet, and the formatting looks OK - no extended underlining that I can see. Is it possible for that underlining to show up on one computer and not on another?

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 08:49 AM

Genie, the upper part of the Violet permathread is all underlined as mentioned, but the later (smaller) font is OK. For Connecticut Waltz, you have my liner notes on the upper (underlined) part but nothing later in the smaller font.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 11:10 AM

It was just one of the versions that had the underline on it, the first link in the message. The others all look great. I didn't go look at the source code because I could see where the typo must have taken place without it. (I get lots of practice going back to fix my own html typos!)

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Night Owl
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 11:37 AM

thanks for the repairs Genie.....

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 11:56 AM

Genie:

Just wanted to say THANK YOU!! for you persistence and goodwill in taking ont he liner notes work. It was more than either of us reckoned on, I guess, and you're carrying forward like a true trouper.

Thanks!


A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 01:23 AM

I'll add my thanks, free of editorial comments, so you are assured also that appreciation of your work was intended in my earlier post. I've bided my time, waiting while they're being perfected so haven't printed any of the notes, but each time I put the Mudcat CD's on to play and particular songs resonate strongly, I know I'll have to get those notes soon. My ears prick up and I think "Wow! I want to sing along!"

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Mudlark
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 02:57 AM

Just want to add my thanks, Genie, for the liner notes work. And also to say of my friends that appreciate, tho don't play, acoustic music have ordered CD's and are very impressed with them.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 03:39 AM

Well, folks, Lin from Kansas has graciously offered to take over the Plum CD liner notes and format them in PDF!! Thanks, Lin!

Amos, be warned -- if Lin gets near you, you're gonna get smothered with hugs and kisses for all your work on these great CDs! ;-D  )

Understatement of the year: "It was more than either of us reckoned on, I guess ... ." I seem to recall saying that formatting the liner notes would probably take two or three hours. (Pardon me while I indulge myself in a fit of hysterical laughter.)

Anyway, the liner notes ARE shaping up, and more folks like Bardfordian and Ebbie and Lin are pitching in. We'll get 'em done soon.

Lin asked why I hadn't included "fold here" or "cut here" lines in the "printable/insertable" liner notes for the Violet CD. That's because
a) I can't post a vertical border in the forum, and
b) I don't want to post horizontal divider lines until I get ALL the lyrics and other liner notes gathered for a given CD. We still need a couple of songs for Violet.

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 05:17 PM

Formatting them? Yeah, but that was supposed to be after they had all been collected completely! :>)

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 05:34 PM

Yup. The "cut" or "fold" lines will be in a different place if you add one or more lines to the liner notes.

G

BTW, Strawberry, Plum, and Violet liner notes are nearly done. We have all the lyrics for Violet but are missing a few credit items (e.g., who all is singing). I think we need lyrics for only one song on Strawberry (Bold Jackie Tar, IIRC) and one or two (Braes Of Yarrow, e.g.,) on Plum.

The composite Plum notes, to date, are now in order and posted close to the end of the thread. Look for Lin's PDF files to be available soon for Plum.

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 05:43 PM

Composite liner notes for Plum CD (to date): http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55150&messages=52#903422

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 06:35 PM

Lin:

I'm right down here in the SW corner. PM me for driving instructions!! :>)

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: treewind
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 08:51 AM

Just an afterthought about formats:
My support for PDF was based on the assumption that this would be in a form that could be printed out and turned into a CD sized booklet to go in the jewel case with the CD.

If it's not for that, and it's just to go on the web somewhere, HTML with CSS will do me just fine.

By the way, Kevin (McG of H):
PDF can be searched, or at least searchable versions of PDF are possible.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD - liner notes
From: Genie
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 12:36 AM

Just got the Plum CD liner notes formatted in small print so they can be printed directly from the CD liner notes thread and folded to fit into the CD jewel case. (Why do they call it that, anyhoo?)

The post with the composite liner notes is close to the end of the thread, and there's a link to it in the first post of the thread.

We're still missing lyrics for one song and a few odd bits of other info, but take a look and tell me what you think.

Lin's PDF file notes look great, too!

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 06:11 PM

Genie,

Thank you so much. You are amazing.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:10 AM

Amazing? Not really, Art. Just a glutton for punishment, I guess (or too dumb to know when not to stick your hand up when they ask for volunteers). But thanks.

Also, too dumb or too lazy to download Netscape 7 until a few days ago. When I finally did (because my main email at Onebox.com won't open any more with the older versions), I discovered all sorts of new features and capabilities for composing, editing and posting things to the net.

With Netscape 7.2, the job of doing these liner notes is much, much, much easier and faster!

Anyway, the small print liner notes are ready now for Violet and Plum and we're just an inch or so away from done for Strawberry. Lin has been helping a LOT (as did Bradfordian, Ebbie, and several others).

And I found that run-on underscoring you folks were talking about. It was on Violet, not Plum. It's fixed now.

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 08:57 PM

Keep watching those Mudcat CD Liner Notes PermaThreads, folks. The printable liner notes are shaping up fast! Violet & Plum are ready now (though we may yet get info added) and Strawberry's not far behind.


Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Alice
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 10:51 PM

Thanks for all the work you've done, Genie.
Good job.

Alice

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Amos
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 11:02 PM

Genie:

If I understand it aright, the notion is to open the Permathread and send it to the printer and then the output can be trimmed and folded to CD size -- is that the scheme? Or am I missing a piece?

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Alice
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 11:04 PM

By the way, if anyone wants to hear one of my tracks, Green Fields of Amerikay, you can listen to the mp3 free on my site. Nothing to sign up for, no cookies, no popups, nada, just music.

http://my.montana.net/aliceflynn/audio.html

Alice

Subject: RE: Mudcat CD
From: Genie
Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:23 AM

Yes, Amos,
If you open up the post that contains the small print liner notes, you should be able to print directly from that and trim and fold to go into the CD case. (If it's a hair too wide, just set your printer for, say, 97%.)

Genie