Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest Date: 10 Mar 03 - 08:46 PM Thank you for your encouragement, Thomas. Let's see...no one is going to make peace because that is not on the agenda. And there IS no Democratic candidate...never will be. Just a continuation of the 'Homeland Security' dictatorship. You DO have a dictatorship on your hands, you know And a choice of dictators is no choice. What is wrong with you? This isn't a conspiracy. No proof was ever offered that the Taliban, Afghanistan or al Qeada bombed the WTC, but THOUSANDS of pieces of evidence prove conclusively the US govt did. The US govt is no longer deserving of your support through participation in non-elections. GWBush murdered thousands on Sept 11, and Clinton murdered dozens at Oklahoma City and armed North Korea. The only choice is to expose our illegitimate CIA govt. Until that is done, no election will make any difference. No candidate will cure the disease. Do not put any effort into the upcoming 'election' unless you are doing what I am doing at this very moment...demanding an accounting as to why we have no Sept 11 investigation. Millions are about to be slaughtered because you'd rather talk about a personality contest than a mass-murder by our govt. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Ebbie Date: 10 Mar 03 - 08:43 PM "The REAL intent behind that affair was to dissolve the office of the Independent Prosecutor, by the way." hhhahahah DD, you are too, too funny. Yes, I can just believe that President Clinton was telling himself in those heated moments that 'Here's one to dissolve the office of the Independent Prosecutor'. (By the way, was Monica in on the conspiracy?) |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 10 Mar 03 - 07:20 PM Gosh DD... I'll be content with voting Bush out of office... I'm not ready to Hail the mighty conspiracy theory, 'cause it's just too much for my little mind to grasp right now. Would you mind not posting your well oiled schpeal in this thread? You've already voiced these 'concerns' of yours, and we're well aware of your point of view. Same old same old. Thanks... ttr |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest Date: 10 Mar 03 - 07:08 PM All his crimes are sloppy. Just like Clinton's were. Clinton was openly selling nuclear secrets to the ChiComs, but then the country was diverted by an affair with an intern. The REAL intent behind that affair was to dissolve the office of the Independent Prosecutor, by the way. There's no way Bush could have pulled off the BIG crime of Sept 11 if Clinton and Ken Starr hadn't first made sure no one could ask independent questions, so they made Americans want to get rid of the office. It's all interlocked. Dole, Clinton, Gore, Bush, Liebermann...they're all the same. Some get more done than others when it comes to destroying the US and enhancing the UN, but they're all the same. Sept 11 was too big a step, though. It needs to be focused on. Too many witnesses still alive, too recent, too much forensic evidence. They can't get away with it, if people will just focus. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Bobert Date: 10 Mar 03 - 06:52 PM Yeah, DD, does make you wonder why when the space shuttle, Columbia, crashes that there is an investigation started within 24 hours. Now rewind to 9-11 and we're still awaiting an investigation. Hmmmmm, Part 764873? And how about the investigation of Dick Cheneys meetings in developing an energy policy. Or how about one that links the current adminsitration to badly doctored documents to use as evidence that Iraq was trying to purchase nuclear material? (I maigh add that if true, this is an impeachable offense.) Yeah, Bush is getting real sloppy here. Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest Date: 10 Mar 03 - 05:32 PM Since the CIA's assassination of JFK, an incremental move toward military dictatorship has taken place. It has been so successful that you folks can now accept 4 jetliners being hijacked and flying around for 75 minutes over the most crowded area of the US without being intercepted by NORAD's automatic-response system. Things are so bad that the military coup can now murder live on TV and then get you to sit still while they draw up legislation to steal your kids from you. It does not MATTER who you vote for in the Presidential Election. Both the Bushes and Bill Clinton orchestrated Sept 11. It is a 100% certainty the two major-party candidates will be employees of the organized criminals running the CIA. If they're not, they'll have their heads blown off. Insist on an open investigation of Sept 11. Put the effort of thought and writing you would devote to the phony election into spreading word about Sept 11. You KNOW that's the right thing to do. If you do not expose the criminals of Sept 11, you and your descendants will live shortened lives as the ditch-diggers, whores and organ donors of the coming tyrannical world govt. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 10 Mar 03 - 03:40 PM Yes, Peg, and the 'candidate in question' is going to be visciously attacked, uncerimoniously slandered, microscopicly mistreated, and otherwise subjected to 'dirty tricks' and media madness... before it's all over... No Bush anymore, in Two Thousand and Four! ttr |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Amos Date: 10 Mar 03 - 12:47 PM Link worked for me just now. It is: http://www.iht.com/articles/89151.html Try cut 'n' paste. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Peg Date: 10 Mar 03 - 01:38 AM I like Kucinich except for the fact that his pro-choice attitude seems to be a relatively recent switch from his earlier actions...from what I have read, anyway. So that concerns me. But I like where he stands on a lot of issues. I like Howard Dean based on what I know so far which isn't too much. Vermonters can usually be trusted to be reasonable, as long as they aren't TOO Vermont in their ways (i.e. racist, homophobic, xenophobic, isolationist and interested in eugenics). I am very much against Lieberman and always have been. I wouldn't say no to Hillary and think she might have a good chance getting picked as a running mate... I think John Kerry has his eye on the race, too. He's a bit too much business as usual. I think after this four year regime is finished a lot of people will want something different. But no candidate in their right mind is going to be going into this not understanding there will be one hell of a mess to clean up, financially and politically. Our country's morale and credibility will end up at an all-time low, if things keep on as they are going. Our domestic problems will be second, however, to the massive foreign relations derailments that will have to be righted again... |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 10 Mar 03 - 12:59 AM Can't get through on your link Amos. Anyone read up on Kucinich yet? Like I said he sounds interesting. He is against the war, for cleaning up the environment, as a matter of fact he with Jerry Brown are proposing a $50 billion solar initiative in cooperation with Gorbachev's 'Global Green'. He is pro choice, against the way the patriot act is taking away rights and much more. Read about him! Spaw if you read this, maybe you know about him. He is a US Rep. from Ohio. Peace. Rustic |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Amos Date: 09 Mar 03 - 11:47 PM An interesting backlash from a Democrat and Nobel Prize winner can be found in this article in the International Herald Tribune. Worth reading, it analyzes the criteria for a just war and examines the merit of the American position relative to those criteria. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 09 Mar 03 - 11:17 PM This man sounds like an interesting candidate. If he is a trustworthy person, he sounds like one that could take us to peace. Kucinich Peace. Rustic |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 03 - 10:00 PM Troll: There you go again. Bad mouthing Jimmy Carter? I just don't get it? Here's a guy who you probably don't know very much about that you are ready and willing to sit in judgement. For a lot of people Jimmy Carter represents what Christains are really about: loving their neighbors, believing in the sanctity of life, and public service. You may see talking with your adversaries, as Jimmy Carter has, as a weekness. Lots of folks don't see it that way. Lots of folks would rather have Jimmy Carter in the White House than your guy whose foriegn policy is based around either killing ot threatening to kill people. This thread is about "Who's onna beat Bush... and make peace". Your guy ain't gonna make any peace. He has shown his absolute thirst for getting back at the bully who embarassed him in the 5th grade. His entire forieng policy to date is cenetered around violence. And so now Jimmy Carter is the bad guy? Beam me up! Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Troll Date: 09 Mar 03 - 09:30 PM Jimmy Carter. Oh yeah. He's the guy who brokered that deal with North Korea isn't he. The one who didn't have the strength of cahracter to turn down the Nobel Peace Prize when the Commitee chairman announced that it had been awarded to him, not for his work, but as a slap to President Bush. The one who...Yeah, Jimmy Carter is troll |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 09 Mar 03 - 08:41 PM It'll all depend on the repercussions or lack thereof of Mr. Bush's War. If the war goes smoothly with minimal casualties, minimal alienation of foreign governments, no major terrorist reprisals and if Dubya is able to keep the flag-waving at a fevered pitch.... The Democrats could nominate Jesus Christ himself and not stand a chance. If the war goes smoothly and Dubya is not able to orchestrate a new binge of patriotism (remember that George I won the war but lost the election).... The Democrats stand a chance and I'll be a sentimental Floridian and toss Bob Graham's name into the hat. If the war goes badly with lots of kids flying home in body bags, revenge terrorist attacks and a lot of people saying "We told you so!".... The Democrats could nominate my pet pig "Slim" and win. Of course, there is the slimmest possibility that Dubya may listen to the voice of world opinion and back down from his war plans.... If he does, I may vote for the fucker myself. But there is also the possibility that Dubya may invoke marshal law, suspend the Constitution and proclaim himself King.... In that case there won't be an election, will there? Bruce |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: CarolC Date: 09 Mar 03 - 08:37 PM I didn't say I would vote for them. I just think that's who the Democratic party is going to back. I might just have to vote Green or Independent or something this time. I don't like Lieberman's stance on war in Iraq or on the role of the US in Israel/Palestine, and I don't like Hilary's stance on the role of the US in Israel/Palestine. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 09 Mar 03 - 07:49 PM OK... But Joe is a hawk. That bugs me... Actually though, other than that, I'd go for the team if they prove to be significant and consequential... ttr |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: CarolC Date: 09 Mar 03 - 06:37 PM I have a gut feeling that the Democratic party machine is going to back Joe Leiberman with Hillary Clinton as his running mate. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 03 - 05:57 PM Yeah, Mcgrath, I'd vote fir Jimmy Carter. Might of fact, if my memory serves me correctly, he's the only guy that I ever voted for the actually won. Hmmmmm? Maybe I'll vote fir Bush next time... Not! Sorry to have missed Howard Dean, Alice. Guess I haven't been checkin' in on his website often enough. Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Alice Date: 09 Mar 03 - 05:08 PM Howard Dean was on C-Span today. Not bad. Time will tell. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Ebbie Date: 09 Mar 03 - 03:53 PM One problem is that Carter is so good right where he is. If he should leave that mission, who would fill that post? When one starts totting up what the Carter Center has accomplished with Jimmy Carter at the helm, it's pretty impressive. Reminds me of one year when the membership of the Alaska Folk Festival was (were?) voting on new officers of the board. One applicant asked for our vote then ended with 'If I don't get on the board, I'll continue working on the side for them'. Almost needless to say, she didn't get on the board. And sure enough, she continues to be an invaluable member of the folk festival. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Mar 03 - 03:42 PM Why not a second term for Jimmy Carter? As I've pointed out, he'd be younger than Gladstone was. Or Konrad Adenauer for that matter. Probably a good few other elderly statesmen. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Ebbie Date: 09 Mar 03 - 01:51 PM In today's New York Times, Jimmy Carter examines whether this is a 'Just war' or 'just a war'. He concludes, point by point, that it is NOT just, ending with: "American stature will surely decline further if we launch a war in clear defiance of the United Nations. But to use the presence and threat of our military power to force Iraq's compliance with all United Nations resolutions — with war as a final option — will enhance our status as a champion of peace and justice." |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: kendall Date: 09 Mar 03 - 12:38 PM I'm with Robert. Howard Dean is my man. |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: *daylia* Date: 09 Mar 03 - 10:40 AM Inspired by a recent thread, in response to ttr's query and with profound apologies to Dr. Seuss, here's GIs on Scams I do not like GIs on scams. I do not like them, Uncle Sam! I do not like them bombing babes, I do not like them filling graves. I do not like them trained with lies, I do not like them vaporized I do not like them used for oil, I do not like their bloody spoils I do not like their victim's screams, I do not like your greed machine. I do not like their brainwashed babble, I do not like their lawless battle. I did not like it yesterday I like it even less today. I do not like GIs on scams. And we WILL beat you, Sam "I AM"! When enough of the American people realize just how dangerously they are being duped, Bush and his cronies better head for the hills. daylia |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 03 - 10:05 AM Well, ttr, you have posed an interesting question. Seems that every time someone steps up and becomes a voice for change and peace, someone kills 'em. Yeah, the word would definately be a better and safer place now if we still had Bobby Kennedy and Dr. King. Under this oppressive media envornment, I don't think that anyone can capture the imaginations of so many folks like they were able to do. And there is so much that goes ijnto marketing and PR that the system has evolved to trivialize and minimalize potential leaders of change. But, that said, though I'm still a Greenie, Howard Dean seems to have the positions on the issues, from war to the economy, to a woman's right to choose. He doesn't have the pizazz but maybe that just because he hasn't been marketed correctly. Al Sharpton, though terribly trivialized, is one heck of a spokesman for peace and justice and I would just hope that he gets more air time than he has gotten. Those are my early thoughts on the subject. Maybe someone else come to mind later and if so, I'll be back. Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: InOBU Date: 09 Mar 03 - 06:27 AM Hi Folkies... I am putting together a one man show, a look at American freedoms and their loss through my historical ballads, from The Times That Try Our Souls, to Walking with King... so check out the thread, Love Song For America, up in the music threads, it is one thing we could do, as Arthur Kinoy, the last living lawyer for the Rosenbergs said to me, the civil rights movement died the day we stopped singing, singing truth to power Larry |
Subject: RE: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: BlueJay Date: 09 Mar 03 - 05:05 AM Thomas- Nope, not as I see it from this side of the pond. The Democratic candidates are mostly mediocre and inneffective so far. The Senate, which is closely divided, is very dissapointing to me. They are all afraid they'll be labelled "traitor" and lose their next election. The economy will be Bush's eventual undoing, of course much too late to prevent his war on Iraq. But when enough people lose their jobs and houses, maybe they will stop voting these Robber Barons into office. Here in Colorado, the economy is forcing cuts in many useful services. So what does our State Legislature propose? The mandated posting of "In God We Trust" ina all public buildings and CLASSROOMS! Unemployment is high, my lawn is dead because of the drought, and they're asking us to please flush less, except for Denver where the golf courses must be kept green. Eventually, the majority of the American people will realize that they will never be rich, or even affluent, so voting for Bush and his handlers is of no direct benefit, unless you want the 10 Commandments posted everywhere. My main hope is the slowly awakening American people. Too late to stop the Iraq war. It's already started. But my hope is that the American people will soon realize that they probably will never be rich, the pendulum has swung too far to the right, and it's time for a correction. Thanks, BlueJay |
Subject: BS: Who's gonna beat Bush... and make peace? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 09 Mar 03 - 03:05 AM Well? Are we going to entertain this notion? Surely *someone* can snap their fingers and break the spell of agression this country is under! Anyone got wind of new hopefuls? ttr |