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Subject: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:04 PM

dixie_chicks

Dixie Chicks Remark Irks Country Fans

14 minutes ago
Associated Press

NASHVILLE, Tennessee - The Dixie Chicks are drawing harsh words from country

music fans for remarks singer Natalie Maines made about President George W.
Bush during a recent performance in London.
Maines told the audience earlier this week, "Just so you know, we're ashamed
the president of the United States is from Texas."
Angry phone calls flooded Nashville radio station WKDF-FM on Thursday, some

calling for a boycott of the Texas trio's music.
The group released a statement Thursday saying they have been overseas for

several weeks and "the anti-American sentiment that has unfolded here is
astounding. While we support our troops, there is nothing more frightening
than the notion of going to war with Iraq and the prospect of all the
innocent lives that will be lost."

In a separate statement Thursday, Maines said, "I feel the president is
ignoring the opinion of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the
world. My comments were made in frustration, and one of the privileges of
being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."

The Dixie Chicks will kick off a U.S. tour in support of their multi-platinum
album "Home" on May 1 in Greenville, South Carolina. The group's hits include
"Wide Open Spaces," "Ready to Run" and "Landslide."


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:05 PM

I am putting on my new white scraf to buy my first Dixie Chicks CD.
Larry


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:05 PM

Since when is it not o.k. to have a personal opinion??


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:04 PM

At first, I thought the Dixie Chicks were just another bare belly-buttoned female pop group. Then I found out they can play and sing. Now I find out they have brains and a social conscience as well. I'm liking them better all the time!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: JedMarum
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:07 PM

I will have no problem expressing my opinion of their hateful message to my audiences. I will have no problem expressing my opinion by not purchasing the records or tickets to their shows. I will have no problem expressing my opinion on any of these brave, pampered souls who spit in the face of their own heritage.

Fuck 'em!


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:29 PM

C'mon, Jed. Stop mincing words and tell us how you really feel.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:40 PM

yeah how dare they have opinions of their own....


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:51 PM

When it's peach pickin time in the Azores
It'll be chicken neck wringin time in Texas...

Yeoddlieee oh hhh noooo


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:07 PM

They probably didn't realize they were talking to your audience, Jed. I expect they thought all those people had come to see them!

BJ


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:12 PM

Well, here's what I have to say about that.

Sure, it's all right to have an opinion, and to express it. But I also think there's a good way and a not good way to do it. My opinion is, the way Natalie Maines did it showed a lack of class. Do I hold it against her? Nope. I know what my own toes taste like so I won't chastise her for putting her foot in her mouth.

(I can actually do this, by the way. Not that I have actually ever physically put my foot in my mouth, mind you, but I can reach my toes to my chin. Yoga must be paying off.)

I think she could have imparted a peace message in another country without making disparaging remarks about the President. As it is, she didn't really impart a peace message at all, she only disparaged the President. It might have been more appropriate to say something like, "we don't support a war with Iraq."

Anyway, I am reminded of this quote from Mark Twain: "It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them."

Bet they don't get invited to the White House anytime soon.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: John McLaughlin
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:13 PM

I uuseta like their muisc when they first came out, then sorta lost interest when they went a bit Nashville-blonde and all that, but they do grow on ya, don't they? Really nice fiddling. Also seem to be saying what they wanna say. You could ignore it if you don't like it. Saying "fuck em" does seem a bit of a bellow, huh? Unlikely it'll happen, big guy. I spoze a boy can dream. But roareing it like that prolly makes it less likely, huh? - John


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:18 PM

Well Jed:
Frankly any citizen of a free country who endorces the presidency of someone who openly endorces the removal of citizenship for the purpose of deny them their constitutional rights, well, frankly I would not use the term you used, but feel free to fill in your own explitive. Now I also say this in friendship as I don't think you have thought out the implication of your comments. They have spoken out against a war that the majority of the people on the planit oppose and is opposed by about half of their own national population. Beyond that they are speaking out against a president who has remove rights from us that we had under King George III.
So, if you feel they don't have a right to speak their minds, well, sit and think about it awhile. If this nation is about the right to be an individual as long as you are an individual who agrees with some narrow point of view, well, you lost me, explain it to me.
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:53 PM

Larry, I don't think they spoke out against the war. They spoke out against the President. In my mind those are two different things. Your mileage may vary.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 04:59 PM

Boy, and here I though The Prez was the main proponent & cheerleader for this insane war! I musta missed something. Kinda tough to criticize one without the other, innit?

Since when is it not o.k. to have a personal opinion??
Since Ashcroft became Atty. Genl. and his Staasi took over.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: wilco
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:00 PM

It must be nice to get to the point, finacially, where you can alienate at least half of your fan base. I suspect that it's probably closer to 90% of their fan base. I bet the other members of the trio and their entourage, reord label, etc., all told her to "Shut up, you fool!! You just blew our career!!"


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Frankham
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:10 PM

I think that as Americans they are within their rights to criticize this (p)resident. they did not disparage America but W's actions. Somehow, there are those that feel that W was elected by a landslide and I don't share their views. They commented on the anti-American sentiment that is not only in England but many parts of the world today. They did it with a kind of clarity without calling anyone names. If they are ashamed of the p(resident), I believe they have the right as Americans to say so. W has to know that the war he intends to conduct does not have support of all Americans.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: JedMarum
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:18 PM

When I disagree with my wife on an issue, when she and I have strong differnces of opinion, I do not go to my nighbor's house and tell them that I am ashamed of her. I do not make ugly, hateful commenst about her or call her names in front of other people (or in front of her, for that matter). That would be classless, harmful foolish and damaging to myself and my own case.

The Dixie Chicks didn't come out and speak against the war. They came out to a non-US audience and spoke a personal and hateful comment about their president. THAT displays their stupidity - not expressing their American minority opinion to a European audience.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

Jed -- I'm not American, but I've seen them on TV. And one of the things they are really, really, really proud of is their right to free speech. ;o)


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Willie-O
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:27 PM

Hey, they (she) can say anything they want to their audience no matter where they are. What difference does it make what country they're in? Obviously these kind of remarks are going to get picked up by the media and get the predictable outrage from people who disagree with them. If they lose some fans, they are sure as hell gaining some too. I bet they're tired of the Nashville star business anyhow.

Maybe they'll tour with Steve Earle. The Leftist Country Outcasts Tour. I'd go see em in a flash.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:37 PM

They might be tired of the Nashville star business, but that's the business that got them where they are. It's sort of funny to me, they started out as a pretty hot cowgirl-bluegrass band years ago, and didn't get any major interest till they started showing skin. And it was partly showing skin that got them rich.

Yes, I know they're talented. I know that as well as anybody. I have the now out of print ORIGINAL Dixie Chicks albums from their Past Life. But they chose the mainstream themselves.

I think it's fine for people to express opinions. I just think they should exercise some manners and good sense when they do it. Maybe they're too young to have been taught that in Texas.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM

"They came out to a non-US audience and spoke a personal and hateful comment about their president"

Personal?? hateful? They said they wre ashamed of him... What's wrong with that?? I understood that was popular opinion....

"one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view"

Kinda sums it all up, no?


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: fsharpdim7
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:51 PM

Natalie is quoted as saying: "Just so you know, we're ashamed
the president of the United States is from Texas."
I am all for those who take a reasonable, or even unreasonable, position for or against the coming war, but I am not for those who do not give respect to those on the other side of the issue.
I believe, given the events of 9/11, that the President's advisors have the best interest of the country at heart and the President is doing the best he can with that advice. I would not want to be President and know I did not do all I could to prevent the next terrorist attack.
Can't those on both sides agree to respect each other's view, and not attack each other? I would hate to see a split in the country as after Viet Nam. I am also sure that Saddam and the others of his ilk would love to see such a split.
Chris


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:04 PM

Jeb: I don't ever have the occation to need to say bad things about my wife as she is perfect and sometimes reads Mudcat posts. However, the Dixie Chicks are not married to Bush. I think it would be interesting if he where! They would have not canceled on the poets! But, there we are, I detect a sort of odd notion on your part that we are married to George Bush. I am a little well uncomfortable with that image. I am neither married to him nor do I feel my right to call him an idiot ends at the shores. In fact, my right to call him an idiot comes from two sources... my graduate degree and my rights as an American citizen. PS... you don't have to be American to call Bush an idiot... you just have to be awake.
Wake up Jed... the rights he is stealing are YOUR rights as well.
Stop him before he stops you.
Larry


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:30 PM

The thing is, sometimes a person should ignore their right of free speech when folks feelings are going to be hurt.

This is a great example.

Another one today on NPR, a doofus wrote a book about the Bushes and he says that Texas is an Anglo ScotsIrish Protestant State.

It ain't. And our feelings are really hurt.

So I think this man must have fell on a rock. Down here - South Texas, there are nearly no anglos - in fact when two gringos meet they jump up and down naked in the middle of the street, and all the rock churches are Davidian, the Universities are ran by ladies in long black robes, and no these are not OBL's wives.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: The Pooka
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 08:54 PM

I'm very ambivalent & conflicted about the coming War (leaning, I do hereby confess, slightly in favor of it, as the lesser of very evil options) -- I see good arguments on both sides, which is a congenital defect of mine -- I'm influenced by the recent pro-war column by Elie Wiesel, a man of peace and moral vision I believe -- all of which I mention merely as a Preface to the following:

I don't see anything seriously wrong with what Natalie said; nor with the evident hyperbole with which she chose to say it (this was in London; the Brits are accustomed to robust rhetoric, I believe); nor with the Dixie Chicks taking the position that they have taken. And indeed, given their genre & (I presume - ?) the demographics of their U.S. audience, perhaps it does take some real Ovaries to come out against good ole Dubya.

There. / That Said, as They Say, may I add this technical point. I've been here only intermittently in recent times so I've probably missed other examples, BUT: it seems to me that this here Thread is a very excellent case of Crossover between the "Music", and the "BS" -- specifically the "political" -- categories. A while ago, in the course of endorsing this Great Divide, I predicted that this would happen -- it's inevitable -- and, here it is. / Joe Offer: waddy ya think? Didja have any doubt where to place this one? IS it, as it has evolved, Music?? / "Hard cases make bad law." -- some Judge, I dunno.
- Pook


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 09:07 PM

Just proves folk music is political... also, frankly the issue is not feelings being hurt, it is the hurt of 2500 pound bombs being droped on human beings. These are times that try the soul and it is in the spirit of the American Revolution that these brave young women speak their minds to power, when power ignores the majoirty of the people of the world, the majority of the spiritual leaders of their nation, likely the majority of the people of their nation, when their leadership undertakes to change the meaning of the US by a preemptive strike at a nation with which we are not at war. Oh, that Hirohito's people were as brave as the Dixie Chicks.
Larry


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Willie-O
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 09:17 PM

Well I don't know about the manners part, Kim, but I agree about the skin thing, wish it didn't have to happen that way. Still, what difference does it make to the subject at hand? They changed their costuming, and sold a lot of CD's. They're still entitled to speak their minds and not turn off their consciences just because not everyone who likes, or liked, their music agrees with them. With so much pro-war music in the country camp (Toby Keith being the current flagwaver), I'd a thought some diversity would be welcome. (If I was completely naive)

You're not obliged to dress like a Quaker to express an antiwar viewpoint. (In fact, some protests have shown you're not obliged to dress at all)

Sorefingers, Texas is an Anglo ScotsIrish Protestant State. Emphasis on State.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: The Pooka
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:00 PM

Larry - "Just proves folk music is political..."

Of course it does & of course it is / which I suppose is an argument against Joe Offer's Low Wall of Separation / but: I still think it (the Wall) is a good thing.

"...also, frankly the issue is not feelings being hurt, it is the hurt of 2500 pound bombs being droped on human beings." Yeah; try *21,000*-pound -- the one just tested in Florida. (Hm, Florida. I could go on with that one; but I doan' wannabe Tasteless, like the Dixie Chicks. :)

"...These are times that try the soul..." Nicely de-gendered, there. "...when their leadership undertakes to change the meaning of the US by a preemptive strike at a nation with which we are not at war." Yeah; I *HATE* that. When I Lean in Favor, that thought, above all, reproaches me. / But - times have changed; and not for the better, God knows. The Just War doctrines do pre-date the WMD era.

Also: legalistically, Saddam in fact struck first, when he invaded Kuwait; and he has never carried out all his agreed-to obligations under the international documents which left his fascist Ba'ath regime in power, on condition of his compliance, after that aggression had been repulsed.

"Oh, that Hirohito's people were as brave as the Dixie Chicks." Well -- yeah. You mean the Japanese Opposition. Actually, those who fought & died FOR the Emperor were, on the whole, pretty brave, weren't they? Not Good; but Brave. / But as for the Opposition -- well, while I think the Dixie Chicks are gutsy, at least economically, it IS still a wee bit safer to speak out against government policy here & now, than it was there & then. (Setting aside, of course, the thousands of US antiwar demonstrators who have recently been not only expelled from shopping malls by rent-a-cops for their T-shirt slogans, but also shot, burned & hanged by Ashcroft personally. Y'know.)


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:09 PM

US Census 2000
Facts for Willie the daftie Oh...

32 % Hispanic 11 % AA, and 11% no allegiance. Do the math.

Greatest population growth in this state is ?

Religions in Tejas, Davidian, Folkies, Salza, Mariachi, and Blugrass but nobody down here can figure out what to do with the 5th string...
We tried but prefer drinking beer and accordion musac...Polkas


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,Texas
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:13 PM

The Texas Constitution

                            Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS

                              Section 6 - FREEDOM OF WORSHIP

    All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own
    consciences. No man shall be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship, or to maintain any
    ministry against his consent. No human authority ought, in any case whatever, to control or interfere with the rights
    of conscience in matters of religion, and no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious society or mode
    of worship. But it shall be the duty of the Legislature to pass such laws as may be necessary to protect equally
    every religious denomination in the peaceable enjoyment of its own mode of public worship.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:32 PM

Hi Pooka... I actualy don't mind the wall, the fact that this involves speach closely tied to performers during a performance is the point about the politics of folk music.
As to the thousands arested in shoping malls, no, they are thousands of aliens held in INS detention without proper access to their lawyers, ask any Immagration lawyer in your part of the country, they are being sent back to nations which - in many cases they fled with real fears for their lives.
Now as to Sadam invading Kwait... I don't know about you, but I am not a Kawaite, in fact, if I was and you were, as not a member of the ruling elete there, we'd likely be slaves.
Fact is, the new American concevatives are not concervatives at all, but reactionaries who are playing fast and easy with the elimental rights that define us as a people. You claim that these are new times. Well we have seen the end of one of the most bloody centuries in history. If American rights could survive the war against hitler, I expect they can servive any struggle against sadam husain, if you don't think American rights are worth protecting, I am reminded of American concervatives telling me love it or leave it, when I walked for the lives of 46,000 Americans killed in a failed attempt to change the government of Viet Nam.
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Áine
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 09:33 AM

I don't usually participate in 'political' threads; but, since InOBU started this one, and I am a native Texan, I do have a couple of things to add here.

What Natalie said was a very bad PR move for her group. Even though I'm not a big 'Chicks' fan, I've always been interested in their career, and have been happy to see them reach such a level of success. I doubt seriously that her statement on stage will have any lasting effect on the group's career -- tempest in a teacup and all that.

Besides, the premise of her statement was wrong. President Bush is not a Texan. He wasn't born here, his family is not from Texas, he didn't go to school here (for the most part), and he can drop that 'faux-bubba' accent whenever it pleases him.

Basically, he's a Connecticut yankee in the stockyards. As far as I'm concerned, he's an insult to Texans in general -- even the ones that voted for him.

That's not to say that Texas isn't proud of some of its 'adoptees'. The caveat being, however, is that when they promote themselves in public, they always say something like, 'Even though I'm originally from (fill in the blank), I'm proud to call Texas my home now.' And they never claim to be a 'Texan' nor do they claim to speak for Texas or Texans.

Whew, I feel better now, having got that off my chest.

Parsimonious debate can now resume. Enjoy yourselves ;-)

All the best, Áine


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 10:47 AM

Hi.

Before this becomes just another idealogical debate, like the other hundred on the cat....can I ask a few questions of the folks who might have been exploring this story fully.

What HAVE the other two women in the band (and the bookers, agents managers etc) been saying about this, over the last few days? It was implied back a few posts, that they completely disagreed with her. Might this be true... or just a reaction to the controversy that will dog them the rest of their careers?

Any newspaper stories (from Texas or anywhere else in the States) that were interesting?

This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened....remember Skeeter Davis on the Opry? She spoke out (VERY MILDLY) against the Vietnam war, and was kicked off the Opry. This current situation is SO different though. The "Chicks" are not just popular...they're right up there with Brittney, (and still rising). There aren't Millions at stake here.....there are BILLIONS.

So it isn't really the Country Music/Galgrass community that's gonna have a huge effect on this. My guess is (if they stay together) they might lose 10-20 percent of that audience, but they've already picked up millions of new fans simply BECAUSE they dissed the American President.

If I were managing this group.....I'd BEG Natalie to take a settlement (what would it be... about 50 Million bucks?) replace her and make out like nuthin happened. The group's future is now guaranteed anyway...so who cares about Bluegrass fans anyway? Natalie can go solo (doubt if she'll get invited to the Opry or any of Dubya's BarBques, but she should be able to survive on the money she's already got, for another seven hundred years or so.

Message to Jed. Now listen up here! You're not 25 anymore....yer gettin too excited about this!!

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 10:52 AM

so now the political threads are NOT being culled from the music?


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:17 AM

The presence of a political element in a discussion doesn't negate the music content.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: X
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:25 AM

Statement from Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks
March 14, 2003

"As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers' lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American."

Spin spin spin!


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:36 AM

Lots a folks agree with Jed, and they don't have to be born anywhere to see why.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:42 AM

Anyway as a firm follower of the Religion of Tecate and Tacos I think we should have a referendum to chose between G W and John Wayne as the State hero. Have a nice saturday and hug a tipple if you can.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: JohnnyBeezer
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:54 AM

As an Englishman I must say that although I hold no brief for this US President, I was embarrassed for you Americans to learn what had been said so recklessly, particularly in a foreign country...mine.
We all have to hang together, we have a long history of America as our good and trusted friends and I for one can sympathise deeply with 9/11 but I wouldn't pretend to understand what it may have done to the President's and the American population psyche!!
I think that you must believe that he(George W Bush) is acting in the interests of the American and Global community, otherwise what you are left with is just rampant cynicism.

Be safe
Johnny N


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: JedMarum
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 01:21 PM

They're being fried in the Texas music world - radio stations being buried with calls expressing outrage, and "don't play their music ever again" sort of stuff. Several stations have put up a "send us your thoughts and we'll forward 'em to the Chicks" webpages. They say the messages are 80 negative to 20 other - but that's Texas. It's true, the Chicks will likely be mainly spurned by the bluegrass world - but that's a small component. The negative reaction of part of the world will open new doors and make new fans for the Chicks, especially outside the US. The net result will almost certainly be positive.

If the apology printed above is an accurate comment, she'll have reduced the anger felt by many.

Many US folks love the Chicks and their music - this could blow over. Everybody feels a lot of tension right now, waiting for the other shoe to drop (Read My Lips; NO MORE DELAYS). Natalie is almost certainly no exception. I konw the people she's spending a lot of time with during this tour feel very6 differntly then Americans, and if she is feeling aligned with their point-of-view she may have underestimated the impact of comments. Had she said she vehemently opposed Bush's policies, or the US/UN handling of the Iraq weapons - she'd have done so much better, and probably raised very little anger.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 02:55 PM

Yeah John, you're right on. They remind me of the little kids/brats that have to ride their bigwheels right in front of the grownups trying to sit in a circle in lawnchairs and have an adult conversation. Seems it's just no fun to spout their opinions and demonstrate oneupmanship without an audience.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: michaelr
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 03:01 PM

Jeez, Jed -- I respect you as a songwriter, but I'm surprised by your politics. How did you ever get an avowed leftie like Brian McNeill to play on your record?

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 04:10 PM

Joe Offer: The Music Content in this is about that of discussing Michael Jackson's baby dangling. Please move it to the BS section.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: toadfrog
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM

Dick Greenhaus: Right on! It is damned inconsiderate to smuggle BS into the music section by refusing to label it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: michaelr
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 09:53 PM

I agree.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: jimmyt
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 10:46 PM

I certainly appreciate the sentaments of Johnny N, an Englishman on this subject. I was taught to respect the office of president and have always treated each president back to Dwight Eisenhower with a type of respect that the person who holds the office deserves. Although I have had reservations sometimes about some of the decisions that our president (past as well as present) has made, I do not believe in showing the kind of disrespect that this lady showed toward her president.

Having said that, it is her right to do so. It is also within the rights of each and every person to decide as to whether they feel like supporting her career based on their belief system. We will just have to wait and see if this is a decision that she regrets.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 12:06 AM

The Dixie Chicks not being universally "fried" in Texas. KERA (Dallas) tonight made a point of playing cuts from their latest CD after remarking about the flap. I've never bought one of their CDs before, but I will now. (KERA probably doesn't represent a huge percentage of the Texas population, but at least it reaches the part that thinks).

I'm horribly embarrassed by this Resident of the US. Texans, above everyone else, knew better than to support him with his dirty tricks right-hand man Karl Rove and their get-richer-quicker buddies. Anyone who has the guts to speak up against Bush and Ashcroft and their cadre earns a lot of points in my book. Gore won the popular vote, and his crew should have had the sense to recount all of Florida, not cherry-pick a few counties. Democrats left the race open to the Reagan Supremes to appoint their favorite son. Too bad the Dixie Chicks will end up with the same kind of black eye that Sinead O'Connor got when she made a political comment years ago. I can't even remember what it was now--except it was blown out of proportion.

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing it's idiot.


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 12:31 AM

Holy tempest in a teapot Batman...


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 01:25 AM

The thought that Dubya's acting in the interest of the U.S.
is horribly naive. He's acting in the interest of his
own political skin. How else to account for the blatant
_lies_ being told us about Iraq (the drones, the IAEA
report, the "mobile bioweapons labs", the plagiarised
British "intelligence dossier", the "proof" of an al Qaeda/Iraq
tie, the building of new missiles as others are destroyed ...
most of these things disputed by the UN inspectors
themselves, who have referred to the "intelligence"
received from the U.S. and the U.K. as "garbage, garbage,
and more garbage")? The attempt to conflate Iraq with
the Sept. 11th atack is the most insidious; there is
no link, yet Dubya manages to put Sept. 11th in his
speech last week 8 times, mostly in the same breath
as Iraq. To say he's acting in the interest of the
nation -- when in fact many have argued with good cause
that attacking Iraq will _not_ make the region more
stable (or even democratic, as if Dubya would like to
see what a democratic Iraq _would_ look like), nor will
it help alleviate the risk of terrorism, but in fact
may very well stoke the coals of anti-American feeling --
is to avoid any level of critical thinking. To
acquiesce in _his_ judgement without debate, given
his prevarications, his constantly changing rationales,
and his obvious personal interest in pushing a war,
is to surrender one of the things that _makes_ the
U.S. what it is, a free republic "of the people,
by the people, and _for_ the people".

. . .

Dubya claims that war on Iraq is his last resort. Does
_anyone_ here actually believe this, given his behaviour?

. . .

Natalie Maines is right to be ashamed of the person
who's living in the White House.

There can be some difference of opinion as to whether
the _office_ of the President deserves some respect,
but as somebody pointed out, it's hard (and rather
pointless) to criticise Dubya outside the context
of him being the pResident. And the RWers who are
now saying we should stand behind the pResident (or
at least the _office_ of the President) were probably
those that set a precedent not too long ago, such
as Trent Lott's "He's not _my_ President" (referring
to Clinton), and the calumny heaped on Clinton by
the Republicans just a few short years ago. I'd note
that the Republican leaders who had castigated others
for criticising Dubya while Dubya was abroad had in
fact done precisely that to Clinton just short years
previously. Before anyone starts demanding respect,
I want a sworn statement from them that _they_ acted
"appropriately" during the term of our _last_ elected
President.

As for me, I tend towards the views of one of the
two Republicans to be included in the four statesmen
enshrined on Mt. Rushmore:

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public." -- Teddy Roosevelt, May 7, 1918


Kim C.:
Do you think that Mark Twain was maybe pulling your leg?
Do you think that _he_ took this "advice" to heart???

Jed:
When Dubya invites them to a tete-a-tete at the White House
to discus the weather, the day's shopping and chores, and
whatever might be on their mind, I'll accept the analogy
with your wife. What Natalie Maines was talking about
wasn't their personal relationship, but rather things of
consequence to pretty much _everyone_ in the world.

Sorefingers:

    "The thing is, sometimes a person should ignore their right
    of free speech when folks feelings are going to be hurt.

    "This is a great example."

Whose "feelings" are going to get hurt here? Mr. Thin-Skinned
"Major League Asshole" Dubya's?   If his widdle feewings are
going to get hurt by Natalie Maines. he's in the wrong
business. If he can't take criticism, then I don't want his
finger on the nuk-u-ler button.


Cheers,

                            -- Arne Langsetmo


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Subject: RE: Review: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 06:08 AM

Dear Englishman
"I think that you must believe that he(George W Bush) is acting in the interests of the American and Global community, otherwise what you are left with is just rampant cynicism."
Rampantly cynicaly yours
Larry Otway
PS If you would like to share my cynicism... ask what happened to the Staulker report in your nation.


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