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Tune Req: Auld Rob Morris / Thro' the Wood, Laddie

Mary in Kentucky 15 Mar 03 - 11:00 PM
Mary in Kentucky 15 Mar 03 - 11:03 PM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Mar 03 - 11:45 PM
masato sakurai 16 Mar 03 - 01:46 AM
masato sakurai 16 Mar 03 - 07:23 PM
Mary in Kentucky 16 Mar 03 - 08:50 PM
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GUEST,olivia 27 Feb 11 - 04:16 PM
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Subject: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:00 PM

I've always loved Max Bruch's Scottish Fantasy (even if it is a bit schmaltzy - the tunes are beautiful). In this post, Murray stated that the Scottish tunes were 1) Auld Rob Morris 2) Hey the Dusty Miller 3) I'm a Doon for Lack of Johnnie 4) Scots, What Hae (Hey Tuttie-tuttie).

I just found a website that shows the dots for the melodies and gives the first one as Thro the Wood Laddie. Several Vanessa Mae sites list it as Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie.

My question: Is this one tune (similar to the 4th movement using a tune which goes by two different names) or is this a medley? If so, how does Auld Rob Morris go?


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:03 PM

***CORRECTION***

Hey Tuttie Taitie ;-) (foreign language...)


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 11:45 PM

So far as I can remember (my tape of the Bruch is in a box somewhere) Through the Wood and Auld Rob are variant forms of the same tune, but don't take my word for it. (Or Vanessa Mae's, come to that).

Niel Gow went for Hei Tuti Teti. There isn't a "correct" spelling for that one, and nobody knows what it means; though plenty of folk will tell you for sure that it means such-and-such, of course.


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: masato sakurai
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 01:46 AM

As far as The Scots Musical Museum, Bruch's source, is concerned, the tune adopted is "Thro' the Wood, Laddie" (SMM, no. 154; Folklore Associates reprint, vol. 1, p. 161). "Auld Rob Morris" (no. 192; p. 200) has a different melody, though both are slow and in 3/4 time. Another version of "Auld Rob Morris" is John Greig's Scots Minstrelsie, vol. 1 (Click here and scroll down). Greig notes: "The very wide compass of the air--known of old as "Jock the Laird's Brither"--is, like that of not a few others, to be accounted for by its instrumental origin." (Editor's notes, p. viii).

See also The Fiddler's Companion: Auld Rob Morris; and Thro' the wood, laddie.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: masato sakurai
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 07:23 PM

The pages containing "Thro the Wood Laddie" from William McGibbon, A collection of Scots tunes (1742, 1746) are shown HERE (Music of Scotland page).


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 08:50 PM

Thanks Masato! I'll have to print and study those dots a bit more. I couldn't get the abc's to play, so I tried to hear the dots in my head and compare the tunes to how I remembered the first movement of Scottish Fantasy. I'm not sure, but I think I hear both tunes in it. These tunes really are nice, and I'll enjoy exploring them AND all the other nice resources at those links.


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: masato sakurai
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 04:13 AM

A Scottish Fantasy (midi) is HERE. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th movements are in zipped files.


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Subject: RE: Auld Rob Morris/ Thro the Wood Laddie
From: fogie
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 05:42 AM

I thought that if you might like to hear a recent recording of presumably the same tune, which at this time I am smitten see below. I have always loved Bruchs Fantasia, but I must say I didn't recognise it as this tune.   nb. From the music of Scotland I note that the dots look different on both Masatos clicky to the Scottish music site.
CD =Ashburnham by Beccy Price and Dave Shepherd ( finality jack/ Blowsabella)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Auld Rob Morris / Thro' the Wood, Laddie
From: GUEST,olivia
Date: 27 Feb 11 - 04:16 PM

Aud Rob MorriS and "Thro' the Wood" are obviously not the same tune! Musicologists wrongly claim that Auld Rob Morris is used in Bruchs Fantasy. I (as a musicologist) checked the sources and they are both to be found in Scots 2Musical Museum2 apparently one of the main sources for Bruch - but the tune is not the same! It is only "Thro' the Wood" that is used in his Fantasy. Bruch has quoted it exactly as it is to be found in Scots Musical Museum.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Auld Rob Morris / Thro' the Wood, Laddie
From: GUEST,olivia
Date: 27 Feb 11 - 04:24 PM

and by the way: hey tutti and scots wha hae are also NOT the same tune... at least not in Bruchs time. Robert Burns wanted his poem (Scots wha hae) to be sung to the the tune hey tutti, but there is a different melody to the song scots wha hae and to hey tutti - it is hey tutti that bruch has used in his fantasy. Bruch probably heard that Burns claimed that this song was sung on the way to Bannockburn... Scots wha hae though is an invented poem of Burn.. things he imagined Robert the Bruce said to the warriors before Bannockburn


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