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Chip2447 19 Mar 03 - 11:00 PM
Cap't Bob 19 Mar 03 - 11:29 PM
GUEST,Billy 20 Mar 03 - 02:15 AM
Chip2447 21 Mar 03 - 11:56 AM
Harry Basnett 21 Mar 03 - 08:31 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 22 Mar 03 - 12:19 AM
Chip2447 22 Mar 03 - 02:08 PM
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Subject: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Chip2447
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:00 PM

Recently there was a thread about tuning a guitar as a bouzouki (CGCGCG), for the life of me I have not be able to find it again. I have one question about this tuning; what gauge strings would you suggest for this endeavor?

Thanx in advance,
Chip2447


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:29 PM

It may be useful to check out the following website. Its mainly about how to convert a guitar into an octive mandolin however there is some mention of changing the tuning to make it sound more like a bouzouki.

http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/mandolin.htm

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 02:15 AM

The bouzouki gets its sound from the pairing of strings (courses) and Greek bouzouki players I've met (3) seem to tune them as GDAE like a mandolin. Or rather, an octave mandolin.
Your CGCGCG sounds more like a Cittern tuning and getting the 1st string (normally E) up to a G is likely to be a big problem. Try A-E-A-E-A-E. A lot depends on the instrument's intonation. Try (strings 1-6) .012 plain, .016 plain, .032 wound, .042 wound, .053 wound, .065 wound.         
I found a pair of 5-up machine heads in a flea market and converted a cheapo (Lotus) classical guitar to a five course guitar/cittern by redrilling the holes in the head to accomodate the machine heads, adding four more holes in the bridge and refiling the nut and the bridge for ten strings. I tuned it EE-AA-EE-AA-EE. Depending on the strength and construction of the instrument you plan to convert, you'll have to experiment with string guages, but use no more than .009 on the high E strings and no more than .030 on the low E strings to begin with. The width of the fingerboard on a classical guitar also gives you room to accommodate ten strings.
I later acquired a bouzouki which I tuned AA-EE-AA-EE and two years ago I got an octave mandolin (AA-EE-AA-EE) which has a much fuller and louder sound than the guitar/Cittern or the Bouzouki. This tuning gives a natural key of A major and sounds very modal (Celtic). I've also found Phosphor/Bronze strings give a nice bright sound.   
To change keys, capo 3 is C major, 5 is D major, etc.
Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Chip2447
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 11:56 AM

Refresh...

    Thanx folks, I was quite positive that I wasn't hallucinating, but, that seems in doubt now.
    Maybe, with this one refreshment someone will be able to prove my SANITY (no jokes about lost causes please).


Chip2447


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 08:31 PM

I used CGCGCE tuning for quite a while....fun to play around with and worked fine with medium guage strings capo'd second fret onwards...found it slighly restricive and now end I play in double dropped D for singing...but, as I said, CGCGCE is fun for some tunes..


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 12:19 AM

Chip,

I'm probably the one who mentioned the CGCGCG tuning. I do have a guitar that I keep in that tuning exclusively.

For strings, I use a regular medium gauge set except that I change the first string to a 10 gauge instead of the 13 that is the norm for medium sets. 10 is the same gauge as used for the treble G string in 12-string sets, so it'll go to that high G with no problem. It wouldn't hurt to change the sixth (bass) string to something a little heavier than the medium gauge set's 56, but many music stores don't carry anything heavier than that.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Help: Guitar as bouzouki
From: Chip2447
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 02:08 PM

Whooo Hoooo, I can now relax about the halucination thing, thanks Bruce.


Chip2447


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