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What songs are native to Derbyshire?

ooh-aah 26 Mar 03 - 03:35 AM
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Subject: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: ooh-aah
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 03:35 AM

Apart from 'The Giant Ram of Derby', does anyone know any songs which are native to Derbyshire, or recorded as being very popular there? Can any Derbyshire Mudcatters help? I now live in Australia, but I was born in Chesterfield and I would be interested to know.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: MC Fat
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 04:58 AM

My mate Ken Johnson does a funny one from Tideswell called 'The Cow in't Gate' also get a hold of Muckram Wakes records and Keith kendrick stuff !!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 06:56 AM

There's a song about well dressing, which is a celebtration of deliverence from the great plague, said to be due to the use of the water from several wells in Debyshire, and surrounding area. The song in question is called something like The Tissington Well, I'll do a bit more research, and see what comes up.
Slainthe.....Giok


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:17 AM

There are certainly tunes, Winster Gallop, The Famous Darbyshire Hornpipe(3/2).
PP


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:25 AM

Purely local songs can be hard to find (though they do exist), but the general Derbyshire repertoire is easier to get a handle on. You might be interested in Veteran's recording of the Derbyshire traditional singer George Fradley, for example, which can be had by mail order from  Veteran:

Veteran Tapes VT114: One of The Best: Songs from Derbyshire. George Fradley.

He had a range of songs from the comic to the classic, including versions of Long Lankin and The Cruel Sister.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Bearheart
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:52 AM

Glad to see threads like this-- lets me know of singers/resources we don't often hear about in the States...

Bekki


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 10:59 AM

Well there's Pretty Peggy of Derby-O...though you might have to dispute with Fyvie-O and Fennario as to where she actually came from first. Fyvie is up near Aberdeen, but the exact whereabouts of Fennario is a little bit harder to pin down. Bob Dylan was a little vague on that subject on his first LP.
   I think Derbyshire should be very proud of its well-travelled "Derby Ram", which ended up as a New Orleans Funeral March "Didn't he ramble"(and possibly contributed to the 12-bar structure of the blues according to some authorities).
   Swap (with a little o over the a) have a couple of Derbyshire tunes on their latest excellent CD "Mosquito Hunter". They got the tunes from the the talented, handsome and modest Greg Stevens(well that's who is credited on the sleeve notes, spelling is not their strong point).


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 12:28 PM

There should be some Christmas Carols here at least three from a quick read. Although "Manchester Rambler" by Ewen McColl has a non Derbyshire title, it does mention Derbyshire place names, at least in my memory they are in Derbyshire.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 12:50 PM

You could always write some relevant material. Like Chapel en le Frith is the place for me!! She was a handsome Buxton Wench, or Old man Riber Zoo.
Giok


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 01:13 PM

Lucy Broadwood gives 'The Spider' as a Derbyshire song. It's not one I know but I'll put it up at Folkinfo at the weekend.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: gnomad
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 02:21 PM

You might like a look at these guys for singer-songwriter, and more traditional stuff also. They are now Lincolnshire based, but seem pretty "rooted" in Derbyshire material.

Clarty Sough

There is also the Coope, Boyes, Simpson connection with Belper. I did have a web address, but it seems to be down or out of date.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

ooh-aah.Check out steelcarpet@lineone.net for an album of derbyshire songs.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 06:44 PM

There are vast numbers of Debyshire fiddle tunes(meaning either tunes with Derbyshire connected names, or tunes from the repertoires of Derbyshire traditional fiddlers).


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:21 PM

And there is always:

Jewitt Llewellyn (ED):
The Ballads & Songs of Derbyshire.
London & Derby. Bemrose & Sons 1867.

Dave


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Grab
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 07:56 AM

"Manchester Rambler" is completely non-traditional and too obvious, but worth a mention since no-one else has said it.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 12:40 PM

Yeah really obvious when it was mentioned about 8 postings earlier.
John no-one else B


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: mouldy
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:42 PM

There is a very poignant song called "Tip O' Derwent", by Gerald Short, which tells how a sheepdog bitch kept vigil by her dead shepherd master for many weeks after he died in the snow, until his body was found in the thaw. I have it on an old (1981) album by "Ram's Bottom" called "The Young May Moon" (Traditional Sound Recordings TSR 038). The line-up of the band are: Keith Kendrick, Barry Coupe, Ron Cossor, Trevor Hopkins, Ian Carter and Rick Scollins. If ever an album needed reissuing, this is it! The song that ends the album - "Charlie Sparrer's Marrer" - is a delight! The songs from Derbyshire which are on the album aren't the old traditional ones, but they are good, none the less.

Andrea (Long Eaton born, via Nightingale Maternity Hospital, Derby)


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 07:59 PM

John Prentice's song about the building of the Clay Cross Tunnel....


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: jonm
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 03:28 AM

...and I thought I was the only person with the Ram's Bottom LP. Have been known to do a version of 'Tip' myself. Do you know any more about Gerald Short other than his credit for writing this one?


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Grab
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 07:41 AM

Sorry JohnB, your post crossed a page boundary on my Explorer and I missed it. My fault. :-)

Graham.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: mouldy
Date: 29 Mar 03 - 02:36 AM

johnm - Did you ever go to the pub on the back (the Gate, at Brassington)? It's many years since I've been, but I remember that roaring fire well.
I'm sorry, I don't know anything at all about Gerald Short, but that song, when the mood's been right, has moved me almost to tears.

Andrea


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Guest Ted
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:24 AM

Anyone supply the words to Tip O'Derwent?
Saw Ramsbottom at Assembly Rooms - Derby. What an excellent evenings entertainment.
Don't forgetThe Ripley Wayfarers and Mick Stamforth from Chesterfield (I think) I believe he is still wtiting. I have a CD of his.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: mouldy
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 08:15 AM

Give me a bit of time and I will crank up the old gramophone and sit down with a paper and pencil!

Watch this space!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: mandotim
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 02:10 AM

The only one I could think of that hasn't been mentioned is the wonderful 'King of Rome'. First line; 'In the West end of Derby lives a working man...'
Tim from Bit on the Side


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: jonm
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 02:54 AM

Ah, the wonderful Dave Sudbury!

Will post Tip lyrics when I get a mo....


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 03:08 AM

well theres the Jack Hudson songbook, but of course Jack doesn't go about talking like a middle class librarian and then singing songs like he's lowlife walk-on character in a DH Lawrence novel.....awright youth? 'ey up!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: jonm
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 05:02 AM

Tip o'Derwent

Joe Tagg come tramping over the moor
One cold December day
To gather in his tups and yows
And bring them safe away
But snow lay thick on heather and moss
And more were coming fast
As man and dog worked on and long
All in the icy blast

Ch: Oh, Tip, come by, now Tip, come by
Why dost tha linger so?
Now old Joe's gone, tha'rt all alone
Out in the wind and snow

Old Joe now feeling tired and weak
Sat down a rest to take
But soon he slept that long cold sleep
From which you canna wake
For old Joe died there high on the moor
With Tip close by his side
And still the snow came falling down
And still the cruel wind sighed

Soon darkness spread its shadows about
O'er Howden's shoulders bare
While down below the village folk
Lay snug with never a care
And when Joe's absence was remarked
Folk thought but little of this
For hadn't Joe full many's the time
Been caught in worse than this?

But soon alarm began to spread
Folk searched by night and day
For maybe he had broke a bone
And couldna make his way
And though they searched the hills abroad
By clough and windy slough
No sign of Joe, nor Tip his dog
Was seen to give them hope

Soon the days passed into weeks
Old Joe could ne'er be found
Through weeks and months of frost and snow
Still brave Tip stood her ground
And how she lived, no one can tell
It canna be explained
Wi'out a bite, save what she caught
That faithful dog remained

The twelfth day of a December so cold
Old Joe Tagg breathed his last
And Tip, his sheepdog, stayed by him
Till fifteen weeks had passed
And when the twenty-seventh day
Of March it come around
Upon the heights of Howden Moor
Joe's corpse and Tip were found

They laid a stone to this brave dog
It stands by Derwent's shore
It tells the tale and it names the names
I canna do no more
So as you sit by a blazing fire
Both warm and full of cheer
Think on the ties that kept Tip there
All through that winter drear


I've only included dialect where necessary, all middle-class librarians seeking authenticity will need to take care with pronunciation, all the "by's" are "be", "make" is "meck", ditto for "take," "worse" is "wuss," don't sound any H's and "warm" should rhyme with "alarm." Ram's Bottom featured the premier Derbyshire dialectician, Rick Scollins (wonderful bloke, rest his soul), so he and Keith Kendrick would have ensured it was "raight."


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 05:17 AM

Gosh what a tear jerker, and a lovely song too. Where can I find the tune please?
Giok


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: jonm
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 06:50 AM

I'm not techy enough to help, I'm afraid. The album was deleted after two people bought it and has never been on CD, can't post music online, I don't record myself and although people have recorded me, I don't recall having heard that one anywhere.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 09:14 AM

I live in Derby, Connecticut. I'll see if there are any native songs here. Plenny a natives.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 01:25 PM

By no means all "native to Derbyshire" but very interesting -

"Thomas Ford's Ballads - a collection of sheets published by Thomas Ford of Chesterfield in the 1830s" with an introduction by Roy Palmer.
published by Llanarch Press


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 02:39 PM

by Neil dalton of the Real Music and Spondon Club
The Champ O' The Midlands

I was down at the fair,
My Dad holding my hand,
And the night it was pounding,
From the Miner's Brass Band.

There was hoop-la and darts,
And a ha'penny shove,
Some swings and a dodgems,
And a Tunnel Of Love.

But the show that I wanted,
The best show that night,
Was the tent in the middle,
The bare knuckle fight.

I pestered my father,
With all my might,
'Cause the show that I wanted,
Was the bare knuckle fight.

Well, he looked at me sadly,
And then shook his head,
And he told me a story,
And here's what he said.

"It was some years ago,
That I came to this fair,
And the prize fighting tent,
Was just over there.

And a big money prize,
Was offered to all,
Who would step in the ring,
And make the champ fall.

Well, a weasily man,
In a blood spattered vest,
Invited all-comers,
To take on the best.

Yes, he challenged all-comers,
To take on the might,
Of The Champ O' the Midlands,
In a bare knuckle fight.

His sarcastic voice,
Said, 'I don't see a queue!'
So a miner stood up,
And said, 'Will I do?'

Well, the fight wasn't pretty,
The fight wasn't fair,
The crowd yelled for blood,
There was hate in the air.

And a Derbyshire miner,
Who knew how to fight,
Braved the Champ O' the Midlands,
In a bare knuckle fight.

Yes, a Derbyshire miner,
Who knew how to fight,
'Cause the Champ O' the Midlands,
Was bested that night.

One terrible blow,
Then the bell had to sing,
For the Champ O' the Midlands,
Lay dead in the ring.

Yes, the Champ O' the Midlands,
Was dead in the sand.
From one 'lucky' punch.
From one bloody hand.

And the crowd shocked to silence,
And a miner in tears,
And I've never forgotten,
Though it's been seven years.

Now I've told you this story, Son
So you'll understand,
'Cause the miner who fought,
Is now holding your hand.

And I'm not proud at all,
Of what I have done,
'Cause the Champ O' the Midlands,
Was somebody's son."

Well, my father he waited,
And I looked at his hand,
And all I could hear,
Was the Colliery Band.

Yes, the miners' brass band
Were still playing that night,
But I no longer wanted,
The bare knuckle fight.

also worth a mention Beeswing by Richard Thompson and The ----of rome   - about a pigeon!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 03:33 AM

I heard one girl sing "In the West End of Derby there lived a wicked man...". I corrected her, and told her the real words were "a wicker man".


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Compton
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:41 PM

The big number (written) was on that "Young May Moon" vinyl..and a welcome to any Derby individual..."Hey Up Mi Duck!"


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 May 06 - 01:45 PM

Ah... Beaten to Tip O' Derwent!looks like I wrote it down right anyway. All I can add is that Ram's Bottom ascribe it to Gerald Short on the album sleeve.

Andrea


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: mouldy
Date: 24 May 06 - 01:46 PM

Got me cookie back.

Andrea


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 May 06 - 02:37 PM

the late Tufty Swift recorded an album of tunes that he'd discovered in an old box - they were tunes played by a local Militia in Napoleonic times. You'll Never Die for Love - it was on the topic label.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: muppitz
Date: 24 May 06 - 04:00 PM

If you fancy something contemporary, Coope, Boyes & Simpson were commissioned to do a CD specifically about Belper in Derbyshire, it is worth a listen or five!

muppitz x


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,JP2
Date: 25 May 06 - 03:10 AM

Don't forget Tufty Swift's earlier LP,"How to make a Bakewell tart"
I think it was called.

JP2


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 25 May 06 - 06:40 AM


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 25 May 06 - 06:46 AM

Ooops. Finger trouble. What I meant to post was Ripley Wayfarers wrote and recorded a number of songs about Derbyshire including one that Giok mentioned about the village of Eyam and the plague. Well worth a listen. Sorry I can't give any record details as that's at home and I'm (supposedly) at work.

Pete


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Compton
Date: 25 May 06 - 07:11 AM

Ey Up Mi Duck (From Young May Moon)
(Not Traditional)

One Sunday afternoon, I went out for a walk
'Cos the dog seemed to need a bit of exercise
and come to think on it, so did I.
I'd been sitting on a bench in't park for an hour
Just taking two minutes rest.
When a bloke come along and as he were passing by,
He shouted..
Chorus;
Ey Up Mi Duck!
Art awreet then? Not bad, youth,
I'm just going down for a pint or two and tha can come if tha wants.
But tha better get thee skates on and shake thissen
For there's only ten minutes to go
And if tha dunna get a move on, tha's gone and lost thee chance.

Well a day or two after that, I'd been workin' on "afters",
I were really tired and me eyes were shuttin',
It'd be abhat quarter past ten.
I were dreaming abhat things like buxom wenches,
And I waited for me bus.
When a tap on me shoulder, "towd" me, it were that bloke again and he "sharted"…
Ey Up Mi Duck!
Art awreet then? Not bad, youth,
I'm just going down for a jar or two and tha can come if tha wants.
But tha better get thee skates on and shake thissen
For there's only ten minutes to go
And if tha dunna get a move on, tha's gone and lost thee chance.

Well weekend came at last, and I slept all day, "Sat'dee",
On Sunday, I felt so good, I decided I would go for a sup,
And I walked through park, with me dog (Woof-woof)
Who should I just happen to see,
But that bloke fast asleep on a bench,
So I crept up and I shouted..
Ey Up Mi Duck!
Art awreet then? Not bad, youth,
I'm just going down for a jug or two and tha can come if tha wants.
But tha better get thee skates on and shake thissen
For there's only ten minutes to go
And if tha dunna get a move on, tha's gone and lost thee
Chance
That's what I said , I towd hin
Ey Up Mi Duck!
Art awreet then? Not bad, youth,
I'm just going down for a bucket or two and tha can come if tha wants.
But tha better get thee skates on and shake thissen
For there's only ten minutes to go
And if tha dunna get a move on, tha's gone and lost thee
Chance
And if tha dunna get a move on, tha's gone and lost thee
Chance
        
Ther's a book (or two) about Derbyshire dialect called "Eey Up, Mi Duck" as well


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Compton
Date: 25 May 06 - 07:13 AM

Roger Watson (ex-Muckram wakes also wrote many songs with Derbyshire accent!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ian Carter
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 07:29 AM

Nice to see the lyrics of my song posted here!

To confirm, I wrote "Ey Up Mi Duck" back in 1979 as an entry for a "Song for Derbyshire" competition. (It didn't come anywhere!) At the same time, I wrote "The Spire That Aspired", about the Chesterfield Crooked Spire.

I've revived both of these recently, with Keith Kendrick and Sylvia Needham, and they both feature in our set for A Derbyshire Evening, the first of which was held last Saturday night at the Florence Nightingale Memorial Hall in Holloway, Derbyshire.

We also perform "Tip o' Derwent" by Gerald Short, who I'm told now lives in Scotland. "Charlie Sparrer's Marrer" finished the second set for us, as it used to do for (the late) Rick Scollins and Ram's Bottom.

A new song about a Derbyshire man, "Sam Taylor - The Ilson Giant" also features on the new CD by The Ram Company (www.ramcompany.co.uk
) which bears the title "Waltzers and Wonders: The Wakes Is In Town". The world premiere of the show is at Derby Folk Festival on 25th October 2008, at the Assembly Rooms, Derby, England. The majority of the songs in this show are mine, penned mostly back in the 80s when I was in Muckram Wakes, but now brought to life by The Ram Company.

We'd love to see you all there!

ian@barndance.biz


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Old Terry
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 08:20 AM

Eyup then!
I wor born in 'ollingwood, lived in Unstone and Brimington, even Rainsworth in Notts. Moved to Australia in 1959. Kicking on 68 now and have bin singin folk , blues n old timey for the last 10 years around the festivals here. I would like to do two or maybe three derby songs "ayup me duck" reads really well. now if I only knew the toon............ terrrantor@hotmail.com
Thanks Pom


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:56 AM

I used to have a tape of Show of Hands singing a live version of The Blue Cockade and I distinctly remember that in their introduction they said "This is a song from Derbyshire"


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:39 AM

Check out Kerfuffle's latest album. It contains Roger Watson's Katie Shaw (written originally for the Muckram Wakes)and The Castleton Carol (collected by Vaughan Williams in Derbyshire.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:54 AM

erfuffle also sing a version of Two Sisters based on the version of of the famous Child Balad as sung by Derbyshire singer George Fradley. It too is on their latest album, To the Ground (RBRCD06) Check out www.kerfuffleonline.co.uk


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Snuffy
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:19 PM

Graham Cooper's Private William Coffey


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: JohnB
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:21 AM

Check out Doug Eunson and Sarah Matthews, they have a couple of CD's out. They are from Derby and have written several songs about the area. Doug and Sarah's Myspace
JohnB


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:13 PM

I have always liked the following 'Song of a Derbyshire Man' which I transcribed many years ago from a recording of a radio (or perhaps TV) broadcast. This, if my memory serves me correctly, was a 'Ballad of the Northwest' broadcast in the early 70's. I always thought it was written by a Ken Campbell but I may be completely wrong. I would be pleased to know of its origins.



When I was a young man I heard the old tales
Stories and legends of Derbyshire dales
Of forests and mountains with rivers descending
The warm lights of Castleton when day is ending

Chorus: Song of a Derbyshire man
        Living his life the best way he can
        Here's to the limer, the farmer, the miner
        The song of a Derbyshire man

Now me father's a smelter as many would say
Me mother's o'er dressing down Monyash way
And me being nimble and that way inclining
They very soon put me down to the lead mining

Now I met pretty Nelly in Buxton parade
Oh, she was a beauty, rock-crusher by trade
Soon we were married, now we have a daughter
All living in a cottage in Ashford in the Water

Now I've worked through the toadstone, been wet in the shale
Dug fluorspar and Blue John, I've filled up me pail
These underground waters with many reflections
From Matlock to Tideswell and other directions

Farewell to the Magpie just like an old whore
You've drowned all your levels, you've washed out your ore
And now I'm a free man in my chair reclining
I never will go back to the lead mining


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,JS
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 05:28 PM

The late Frank Sutton collected, wrote and arranged a wealth of Derbyshire material including 'The Tideswell Cow' mentioned above.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 05:15 PM

Have just come across this book:

The ballads & songs of Derbyshire. With illustrative notes, and examples of the original music, etc (1867)


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 07:23 PM

Not sure wether this one is particularly Derbyshire , but I was told the last wife sale recorded was in about 1933 in Derbyshire !!

JOHN HOBBS

A jolly shoemaker John Hobbs, John Hobbs,
A jolly shoemaker was he.
He married Jane Carter,
No damsel looked smarter,
But He's caught a tartar,
Yes, he's caught a tarter, John Hobbs, did he.

He tied a rope to her, John Hobbs, John Hobbs
He tied a rope to her did he,
To scape from hot water
To Smithfield he brought her,
But nobody bought her
They all were afraid of Jane Hobbs, were they

"Oh who'll buy a wife?" says Hobbs, John Hobbs
"A sweet pretty wife," says he.
But somehow they tell us,
The wife dealing fellows
Were all of them sellers
And none of them wanted Jane, did they

"Oh where is the rope?" says Hobbs, John Hobbs
"Come give me the rope" says he;
"I won't stand to wrangel,
Myself I will strangle,
And hang dingle dangle;"
He died in a tangle, John Hobbs did he.


Below is the extra verse and alternate end to 4th verse in happy ending version.

.... And hang dingle dangle"
He hung dingle dangle, John Hobbs did he.

But down his wife cut him, John Hobbs, John Hobbs,
But down his wife cut him, John Hobbs;
With a few hubble bubbles
They settled their troubles,
Like most married couples,
Oh happy shoemaker, John Hobbs, is he.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,SmickleJ.
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 07:48 AM

Has anyone heard of a folk-type song that begins with the words ... 'I'll sing you a song about my Derbyshire' ? I first heard it sung in The Blue Bell Inn at Farnah Green, near Belper, Derbyshire in about 1990, by a trio of barber-shop singers, who just burst in and started performing (to everyone's delight). Seem to recall they could have been from Belper Operatic Society? Would appreciate anyone's help in tracing this song.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ian Mather
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 11:12 AM

Well, as a Derbyshire lad myself, I heard many songs written locally about local events / people I suppose.

A couple that spring to mind are "The Sun and The Moon" (I have heard this as being Cornish as well as Derbyshire, and I once heard Mick Peat say it was written by a bloke called Lowndes, which is a surname in our family, so a possible Derbyshire there?)

Mitch sings a song, can't remember it right now, about a pigeon fancier in Derby. Can't recall if it is his or somebody else's.

Interesting to hear of a song written in 1979 called Eyup Mi' Duck. A song of that name was written about the same time by a Somerset lad living at the time in Worksop called Phil Horsham. Different lyrics, and two miles over the border....

Shirebrook Shanty is a Derbyshire "song" but more of an in joke for anybody who has been drinking at the Drum over the years.

Hey ho.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 11:55 AM

sun and the moon is a song anbout a cornish miner.
bill lowndes wrotethe song and lived in cornwall, it has nothing to do with derbyshire


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ian Mather
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 12:11 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. Many many years ago, I was told it was a Derbyshire song and that Bill Lowndes had written it. As my family have a musical past, i wondered if...

But then I was told Bill Lowndes was Cornish. So there you go. You have solved it for us.

Ah well, thirty odd years ago I was singing it claiming it was a Derbyshire song!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 08:57 AM

but its message is universal,it could be about a miner from anywhere.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,AndyC
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 09:35 AM

The 'pigeon fancier' song mentioned by Ian above must be Dave Sudbury's wonderful 'King of Rome' - the best-known version is by June Tabor but Dave's original is much better -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97SXJR8cVo


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: SylviaN
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 09:54 AM

Sarah Matthews and Doug Eunson do a great version of the King of Rome as well.

If you want to hear the songs Ian Carter wrote that are in the show "Waltzers and Wonders", the RAM Company are performing the show at the Cheltenham Folk Festival (on the Sunday), it also includes 2 songs by John Tams and one written by Sarah.

We'd love to hear you sing the choruses.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 10:11 AM

What constitutes Derbyshire? A couple of years ago at Bromyard we were singing in the beer tent when Ken Johnson (Derbyshire) turned to me (Yorkshire) and said, "What about doing one of our songs Paul?" I was nonplussed for a minute and then realised he was dead right. It's not a matter of what some burocrat decides as he redraws lines on administrative maps. We belong with the people who share our customs and beliefs and who live close enough for us to recognise this. So Ken and I started up with …'Holmfirth Anthem'. :-) Go figure.
Paul


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: johnadams
Date: 24 Jan 10 - 11:29 AM

If John MacKenzie didn't ever hear the tune to 'Tip O'Derwent' (see above) then it can be heard on the latest podcast of 'Rolling Round the Ryburn', broadcast on PhoenixFM this morning, sung by Ram's Bottom led by Keith Kendrick and including the unmistakable harmony voice of Barry Coope.

Rolling Round The Ryburn about 6 minutes in.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ian Carter
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 04:09 PM

The excellent "Map of Derbyshire" (Muckram Wakes' first album) has some delightful local material on it, some of which is being revived by John Tams with the Derbyshire Volunteers.

As mentioned above, some of my own songs include:
"Ey Up Mi Duck";
"The Spire That Aspired" - about the Crooked Spire in Chesterfield (the town's motto is "Aspire");
"Two Sisters" - a re-setting of the traditional ballad;
"Three Ships" - a Derbyshire lyric dug up by the late Rick Scollins and set to my own tune (with a range of an octave and a half);
"Hannah Baddaley" - about the Lover's Leap in Stoney Middleton, where Hannah jumped but missed;
"Jacky Turner, the Walking Stationer" - about a Derby character who used his initiative to get round some petty rules about selling broadsheets;
"Anthony Lingard" - a never-yet-performed marathon about a young man who was gibbeted after execution; interestingly, as a result of the soldiers taking a wrong turn and carrying his coffin through Chatsworth Park, we now have a right of way.

Plus, of course, the suite: "Waltzers and Wonders: the Wakes is in Town" (CD available, live show coming up at Broadstairs Festival 2010).

If anyone wants more information about any of these, please email me:
ian@barndance.biz


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 05:50 PM

Jack Jones Re Song of the Derbyshire Man
Dear Ian
The song was broadcast on T.V. in the 70s and performed by "The Bullock Smithy" T.B.S. were a folk group within The Derbyshire Caving Club. I believe they created the song from scratch but I could be wrong. I am still a member of the D.C.C. and should you wish to pursue the matter further please contact me and I will put you in contact with those who may be able to help.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Walter
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:56 PM

Hello,

I've got a (pretty worn out)cassette from the 70s on which there is
The Song of the Derbyshire Man; Ring, dong, dilly dong; Four pence a day; It's true, me lads; It's dark as a dungeon; In the dear old county of Cornwall; Home-made brew, and John Barleycorn.

And it says there very clearly "Song of the Derbyshire man was written by Ken Campbell.

I like this song, too.

Best wishes :-)
Walter


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ian Carter
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 12:09 PM

If anyone's interested, there's a YouTube video of me performing "The Spire That Aspired" as a monologue.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoDH0GIBVVc


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: johnadams
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 07:45 PM

Nice one Ian. It works well as a monologue.

All being well and snowstorms allowing, we'll be singing The Spire That Aspired on Saturday night as part of the Ey Up Mi Duck Rides Again Again show in Holloway, Derbyshire. There'll also be quite a few of the songs mentioned in this thread.

Ey Up Mi Duck Rides Again Again
with John Titford, Keith Kendrick, Sylvia Needham & John Adams
Florence Nightingale Hall in Holloway, Derbyshire.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: johnadams
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 08:01 PM

More haste less speed....

Saturday 18th Dec 2010 7:30pm

Ey Up Mi Duck Rides Again Again
with John Titford, Keith Kendrick, Sylvia Needham & John Adams
Florence Nightingale Hall in Holloway, Derbyshire.
[Grid reference SK 325 563; PostCode DE4 5AQ]


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 09:09 AM

Phil Horsham also wrote a song called Eyup Mi' Duck many many years ago, but that was about Worksop.

Dunno about Derbyshire songs, but as a Creswell lad, I always used to say;

I'd rather live in Hope than die in Shirebrook.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Smokey.
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 08:14 PM

Creswell? Did you know a guitarist called Rob Fox?


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 06 Mar 11 - 04:22 PM

I found this song entitled "Derbyshire Miners' Song" in a small book "Lead Mining in the Peak District" by G.H. Brierley (Dalesman Books, 1977). No source is given but it states that the song tells the story of two lead mines close to each other, Blobber Mine and Windmill Ledge. Miners from the old Blobber Mine deliberately headed their passages towards the newly established Windmill Ledge Mine to prove their claim to a newly found vein, which they were already working. The dispute was referred to a court by the miners of Windmill, but the claim of the Blobber miners was upheld and the Windmill Ledge mine closed soon afterwards.


Ye miners near to Wirksworth,
I beg you lend an ear :
'Tis of a famous contest
The truth I now declare.
'Tis of an ancient groove, lads,
Called Blobber in those days;
The other, new established was,
And called the "Windmill Ledge".

To this ancient mine called Blobber,
Its Agent once came down,
Found every man on duty,
And said "I now make one".
Before we lose our rights, lads,
We'll work for nights and days,
And in the end we will contend
With this mine called "Windmill Ledge".

Our Agent, he sink east, lads,
Down by the Windmill shaft,
While underground by west, lads,
He drove amazing fast.
Till Windmill Ledge being overtopped,
In less than 20 days,
They drew their tools, went off like fools,
From this mine called "Windmill Ledge".

Success to our employers,
With the courage stout and bold,
And for their good endeavours
May they reap a hundredfold,
And may we meet in Heaven at last,
And when numbered are our days,
And while we live, may God forgive
The men of the "Windmill Ledge".


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Folkboy
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 05:26 AM

You can now add to this list "Alice in the Bacon Box" by young Derbyshire singer Lucy Ward. The song is based on the true story of loved vagrant Alice Grace of Little Eaton Derbyshire. The track appears on her album "Adelphi Has to Fly" and is also on a recent Navigator sampler.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Don Wise
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 01:46 PM

"The Bakewell Witches"..........once performed by (Mr?) Gladstone's Bag. Written by a certain Don Wise who has now made it available to Bakewell Museum as an mp3 for their Bakewell Witches section. How I came to do this is another story!

To carry on blowing my own trumpet, way back in the 1970s I wrote a few more songs around Derbyshire legends and stories such as "Three Valiant Lads", "Hannah Baddeley"(I've never heard Ian Carter's take on the story-honest!)........I'll have to find a way of getting them over to someone in Derbyshire who might hopefully put t'one or t'other into circulation (I now live in Germany).


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 04:10 AM

Surely there must be some broadside ballads about the fate of the Pentrich rioters. Big case at the time....as they say. Captain Swing and all that malarkey.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 04:45 AM

Al,

Not sure that it did. According to this article at mustrad.org.uk:

"The Pentrich rising (1817) and its overt acts of rebellion amongst workers...and others like them all passed without obvious recourse to broadside balladry".


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 05:27 AM

It's not as easy to find on the website as I would like, but this EFDSS link is a great way of answering this type of question

Map of Collector's sources


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 12:27 PM

Theres a building (a barn) in South Wingfield opposite the pub where the rioters were held overnight in chains before being taken to Derby for trial and execution. It is popularly reckoned to be haunted and people have heard strange noises coming out of there at night.

On the wall of The Dog pub in Pentrich there are some contemporary looking woodcut type engravings in frames. And I thought I saw a broadside type execution type ballad. Maybe my memory plays tricks - perhaps someone who lives nearby still, could check it our for me.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Benita Sutton-Cegarra
Date: 18 Nov 14 - 08:42 PM

Frank Sutton was my dad and sadly died of cancer in 2003.

From time to time, I search the web for any references to him and have not come across this thread before. He and his songs get a mention or two above.

Frank Sutton collected poems from around Derbyshire and South Yorkshire and set them to music - The Cow i' th' Gate mentioned above being one of these. He also wrote many of his own songs with Derbyshire themes, including Charlie Sparrer's Marrer also mentioned above, which has actions that I've known all my life :-)

He wrote a series of songs about a chap called Sam, including "Sam pick up thi musket" and "Health and Beauty" and another set of songs about "Joe Biggin". He also wrote "Jonny Derbyshire" for the same competition as Ian Carter wrote "Ey Up Me Duck". I went to the final of the competition with my dad and seem to remember you singing it, Ian!

He had a dabble with a Derbyshire take on Bluegrass in the early '90s, writing a song called "The Hope Valley Line" about the railway line, name-checking all the stations from Totley tunnel onwards.

My personal favourite of all his songs is "The River Don" although that is about South Yorkshire rather than Derbyshire.

There are decades of recordings in my mum's loft that I hope I will one day find time to catalogue and publish.

Gerald Short is also mentioned above. He was a good friend of my dad and he made my dad's guitar. He did indeed move to Scotland many moons ago, but I believe is sadly no longer with us either.

This thread has made me smile a lot, as I grew up with a lot of the songs mentioned. Thank you x


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 19 Nov 14 - 08:00 AM

Regarding the Pentrich Rebellion there is Bill Prince's "Nottingham Captain" - the name given to one of it's leaders Jeremiah Brandreth.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Alan Morley - UK Folk Music
Date: 19 Nov 14 - 12:24 PM

I know this one is about Ilkeston, Derbyshire - I wrote it ;)
Goin' Down To Ilson


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 14 - 02:22 PM

Coope, Boyes and Simpson contribute a number of songs as well as Sarah Matthews.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 14 - 05:02 PM

Squire Frith's hunting Song is aabout a legendary squire from near chepel en le frith. I was trying to find the words as sung by some friends of mine and found the original in the transcript of a book of Derbyshire songs from the mid 19th century.

I will go back and see if I can refind it and post a link.

Just noticed I'm not signed in will sign in and come back
Robbie Wison


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 19 Nov 14 - 05:56 PM

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924013509926/cu31924013509926_djvu.txt

Above link is to the archive scanned text of the book I mentioned. Below is a little of the header information. The whole makes fascinating reading.
Robbie

The original of this book is in
the Cornell University Library.

There are no known copyright restrictions in
the United States on the use of the text.

THE BALLADS & SONGS of DERBYSHIRE
With Illustrative Notes, and Examples of the
Original Music, etc.



EDITED BY
LLEWELLYNN JEWITT, F.S.A., &c, &c.
LONDON : ,BEMROSE AND LOTHIAN, 21, PATERNOSTER ROW.
DERBY : BEMROSE AND SONS, IRONGATE.

MDCCCLXVII.
BEMROSE AND SONS, PRINTERS, DERBY.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Benita Sutton-Cegarra
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:30 PM

I was mistaken - Gerald Short is still alive and kicking! Hello Gerald if you read this. I still remember you, even if I was quite small when you moved.

More songs Frank Sutton wrote:
- Jimmy Queer
- Charlie Short (the astronaut)
- Sam of the Tinsley Tirol
- Don't Tax me grog
- Don't weep in your ale

He also collected a Derbyshire song in Tideswell in 1965 called "The Drunken Butcher"

I'm still looking, so there will be more!

Benita


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 03:35 AM

One could make a case for saying that "The Uttoxeter Souling Song" is actually a Derbyshire song. The text was noted in a long forgotten Derbyshire newspaper from 1875 with the comment that 'the correspondent, Mr. Redfern, remembers hearing it sung on his uncle's farm at Doveridge in the 1830s.' Doveridge is in Derbyshire......

I have a very vague memory of Frank Sutton singing "The Drunken Butcher of Tideswell" at the Druids club in Derby.

Gerald Short must be getting on a bit!


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 05:50 AM

Some of this takes me back.. I recall at one point, possibly early '80s, one of the sing around tents at Stainsby Festival had Derbyshire song sessions? I have a vague recollection of hearing a few people and songs from this thread in that setting (and others) and me singing a rock song I wrote, (Wards Ales were responsible for my outburst, not me) on the basis I come from Creswell so therefore it is a Derbyshire song.....)


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Dave Chapman
Date: 05 May 16 - 06:09 PM

This thread certainly has legs. In the eighties i lived in Dronfield and was a regular at the Old Tup Folk Club in the Midland Hotel. This club was run by Frank Sutton and I still sing some of his songs. I did wonder if I might be the last man standing when it comes to singing Frank's gently humourous songs. Sadly the old brain has forgotten many of the lyrics so can I plead with Frank's daughter Benita to publish and be loved.
I am trying to find the words to one of my favourites, The Race On Bonsall Moor if you could help, and Charlie's Marrer has holes in it. If you need help I will travel.
Lovely to hear from you - Your grandad was a regular at the club too sitting quietly by your dad as he kept us in order and I still remember your dad's guitar with the fretwork soundhole.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Benita Sutton-Cegarra
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 04:34 PM

Dave Chapman. I remember your name.
I will look for the words
If you're on Facebook, look me up - no Sutton
My grandfather was one of a kind!
I will publish the words from Charlie Sparrer's Marrer on here. Who else knows the actions?
Benita x


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Eppy Grailsthorpe
Date: 25 Oct 17 - 04:47 PM

Hello Benita, Keith Kendrick, Dave C and everyone,
It's taken time to get round to visiting Mudcat but we are delighted to see this thread about Derbyshire songs including reference to Gerald's Tip o' Derwent. Gerald is very much alive & well in the Scottish Highlands, currently raising his glass of wine to everyone who remembers him & his songs. Great to see Benita's reference to the lovely & talented Frank Sutton. I knew Frank & loved his songs Benita, would love to sing Little John's End again if you have the tune or any recordings.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: GUEST,Eppy Grailsthorpe
Date: 25 Oct 17 - 05:45 PM

Hi again folks, for those interested we have a rough mp3 recording of Tip o' Derwent sung at home tonight by Gerald's nephew. Can someone advise me how to upload? Thanks.


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Subject: RE: What songs are native to Derbyshire?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 03:29 AM

EG
If you're prepared to sign up to Google
I've found their "Drive" storage quite good for sharing files and folders.
Create some sensible folders before uploading stuff.
There is some info here
https://www.gcflearnfree.org/print/googledriveanddocs/getting-started-with-google-drive?playlist=Google_Drive


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