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Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 30 Mar 03 - 08:12 PM
Walking Eagle 30 Mar 03 - 08:32 PM
Bobert 30 Mar 03 - 08:36 PM
Mark Clark 30 Mar 03 - 10:56 PM
GUEST,chimnusic 30 Mar 03 - 11:22 PM
Seamus Kennedy 30 Mar 03 - 11:45 PM
stevetheORC 31 Mar 03 - 02:58 AM
Peter T. 31 Mar 03 - 09:03 AM
GUEST 31 Mar 03 - 10:29 AM
GUEST,Richard L 31 Mar 03 - 10:43 AM
Rick Fielding 31 Mar 03 - 11:24 AM
GUEST 31 Mar 03 - 12:41 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 31 Mar 03 - 12:42 PM
catspaw49 31 Mar 03 - 12:50 PM
jeffp 31 Mar 03 - 01:11 PM
GUEST,Gern 31 Mar 03 - 03:36 PM
Walking Eagle 31 Mar 03 - 04:59 PM
Blackcatter 31 Mar 03 - 08:44 PM
Bobert 31 Mar 03 - 08:58 PM
Walking Eagle 31 Mar 03 - 09:50 PM
Blackcatter 01 Apr 03 - 12:13 AM
Ebbie 01 Apr 03 - 01:25 AM
Seamus Kennedy 01 Apr 03 - 02:41 AM
Mark Cohen 01 Apr 03 - 03:25 AM
catspaw49 01 Apr 03 - 06:42 AM
stevetheORC 01 Apr 03 - 08:31 AM
GUEST,Gern 01 Apr 03 - 10:20 AM
Rick Fielding 01 Apr 03 - 11:18 AM
JenEllen 01 Apr 03 - 11:41 AM
YOR 01 Apr 03 - 12:42 PM
Amos 01 Apr 03 - 02:53 PM
Pseudolus 01 Apr 03 - 04:32 PM
Walking Eagle 01 Apr 03 - 04:36 PM
GUEST,Jays fan 01 Apr 03 - 05:09 PM
GUEST 01 Apr 03 - 05:13 PM
Seamus Kennedy 01 Apr 03 - 05:44 PM
Bobert 01 Apr 03 - 06:08 PM
YOR 02 Apr 03 - 12:29 PM
bet 02 Apr 03 - 01:29 PM
Blackcatter 02 Apr 03 - 06:53 PM
Walking Eagle 02 Apr 03 - 07:51 PM
Blackcatter 02 Apr 03 - 10:10 PM
Mark Cohen 02 Apr 03 - 11:10 PM
Seamus Kennedy 02 Apr 03 - 11:31 PM
Pooby 03 Apr 03 - 12:17 PM
GUEST,WillyGuest 03 Apr 03 - 12:59 PM
Rick Fielding 03 Apr 03 - 01:30 PM
Clifton53 03 Apr 03 - 02:11 PM
Walking Eagle 03 Apr 03 - 05:08 PM
catspaw49 03 Apr 03 - 05:18 PM
Walking Eagle 03 Apr 03 - 07:37 PM
Blackcatter 03 Apr 03 - 10:20 PM
Walking Eagle 03 Apr 03 - 11:06 PM
Seamus Kennedy 03 Apr 03 - 11:17 PM
GUEST 03 Apr 03 - 11:25 PM
Mark Cohen 04 Apr 03 - 03:07 AM
catspaw49 04 Apr 03 - 03:51 AM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Apr 03 - 06:44 AM
Rick Fielding 04 Apr 03 - 10:34 AM
GUEST 04 Apr 03 - 03:05 PM
Blackcatter 04 Apr 03 - 06:20 PM
Rick Fielding 05 Apr 03 - 09:52 AM
Blackcatter 05 Apr 03 - 02:44 PM
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Subject: BS: Baseball
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 08:12 PM

Rangers Vs Angels, who will win? I think Angels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 08:32 PM

I'm a die-hard Cincinnati Reds fan myself. Can't wait to see them play this year. Baseball season! Yipeeeee!

I'll take the Angels by one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 08:36 PM

I'm a Senators fan. Rememeber them? The only team to get stolen not once, but twice. Gues who was stole 'em the second time?

I'll take the Angels, thankee...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Mark Clark
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 10:56 PM

I have every confidence the Cubs will take the pennant and the Series this year. <g>

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,chimnusic
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 11:22 PM

I think that the Cubs will surprise this year. Love their young power pitchers. Prior, Wood and Clement could be the NL's answer to Mulder, Hudson and Zito. This is the year I believe the aging Yankees can be had in the AL East, with Boston doing the trick. It depends on Pedro's health. If Griffey Junior stays healthy, he's a good bet for Comeback Player Of The Year in the NL. PLAY BALL FOLKS, let's get it on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 11:45 PM

Mark, I think it will be A Red Sox - Cubs World Series, going 7 games all the way to the bottom of the ninth, the score tied, two outs, the winning run at the plate with the count 3 and 2. And with whatever happens on the next pitch, the world will come to an end.
Speaking just as a Red Sox fan, of course.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: stevetheORC
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 02:58 AM

Rangers Rangers Rangers


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:03 AM

Toronto vs. the Yankees opening day. Roger Clemens, ouch. A long, long season, with nothing but ashcans.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 10:29 AM

The Expos may surprise you all. Some of the best talent in baseball now plays in Montral but with no tv exposure they have been kept a secret. I think they are an exciting team to watch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,Richard L
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 10:43 AM

I'm with Bob Dole on this one.

Brooklyn Dodgers all the way! By the way, how's that young Koufax lookin' in the minors?

Richard L


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:24 AM

OK, BLUEJAYS!

Yup, once again these fuckers (I allow myself to use profanity in baseball issues) are all set to break my heart!

JP Ricciardi the second or third choice who is now the Toronto GM, (but is dreaming of the same job in Boston,) tells me (in the papers) everyday that THIS is the team he wants.

Yeah....in a friggin' pig's eye.

BRANDON STURTZE? COREY LIDLE? Yeah, they'd be at the top of my list to face Andy Petitte, and Mike Mussina too, ha ha!

We have ONE consistant, well thought of (by the league) pitcher and that's Roy Halliday. After he pitches, we're fucked for a week.

Used to have a weak arm in the outfield. Now we have THREE.

Yes, I KNOW CARLOS DRIVES IN RUNS! Just never when they're NEEDED!

And....in the stupidist move in history, God Bless America will be played in the seventh inning!

Look, do it EVERYWHERe else, even in Litle league if you must...but it's simply too controversial here. This country IS NOT in lockstep with Dubya. Do you know what's gonna happen? There'll be some boos, and ALL the players (especially on OUR team) are gonna get a hate-on for their home town. Jeezus, this isn't brain surgery Mr. Commish!

I should feel better after that rant, but I will if Haliday beats the Rocket tonight.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 12:41 PM

I Love baseball, but why would anyone insist on playing God bless America In Canada ? I think this is insulting to a country and it"s citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 12:42 PM

If people think the Cubs, Rangers and Mets can come back from such Godawful seasons, why not the Pirates? The only team I'm sure will not have a good year are the Milwaukee Brewers.

Hope springs eternal in the gullible.

Count me among them..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 12:50 PM

Funny, but as I read down the thread my first impulse was to predict the Cubs and BoSox for the Series.....but I was beaten to it. So let me now suggest that as an act of selflessness, kindness, love of the game, and pure humanity (not to mention rampant stupidity), we, the baseball fans of the 'Cat, adopt the Cubs and the BoSox as our official favorite teams! We all go ahead and root for our own favorites, but also pray for cheer on these two as well. Whaddaya' think?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: jeffp
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 01:11 PM

Well, like Bobert, I'm an old Senators fan. They broke my heart when they left for the second (and final, apparently) time. I married a Baltimore girl and became an Orioles fan for her sake. I still carry a torch for the Nats, though. However, since Peter Angelos has dismantled the team in a manner that is either the height of incompetence or a transparent attempt to prevent another team from moving to Washington, I am now giving up on the O's and will either root for another team to be named later or just will stop caring at all about MLB.

Of course, with my history of rooting for the Senators, the Cubs or the Bosox may be right up my alley!

jeffp


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 03:36 PM

Permit me to be the only one to say, Devil Rays, all the way!


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 04:59 PM

My bet for who will take the National League Central is St. Louis, even though I'm a REDS FAN!


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 08:44 PM

Angels will be the next Yankees (except more likeable and less drug use)


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 08:58 PM

jeffp:

Remember Jimmy Piersall? And Harmon Killabroo? And Eddie Yost at first base? Man oh man. Griffith Stadium in downtown? Yeah, I still have my old Senators penant. I little moth eaten but hey...

Hey. looks like we might be getting the Expos. Heck, I'll take 'em. Just hope they will rename them the Senators.

Its a shame that Peter Angelos is such a jerk. Hey, Maryland got our Redskins team so I'd say to Peter, "Get over it!"

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:50 PM

So what should we name the new Washington team? How about the Bureaucrats?


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 12:13 AM

For jeffp & Bobert:

The Washington Senators: First in war, first in peace, last in the National League.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 01:25 AM

John from Hull, I'm surprised- are you an American baseball fan?


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 02:41 AM

YAY, SPAW!!
That's 2 of us, pal.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 03:25 AM

Seamus, if you're a true Red Sox fan, you KNOW what's going to happen on that last pitch...

And I'm allowed to say that. I was a Phillies fan in '64.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:42 AM

C'mon folks, let's get behind Seamus and I and make the BoSox and the Cubs the Official Mudcat Ball Teams!!! Like I said above, we can root for our own teams first but hold some good thoughts for those two as well!

WALKING EAGLE.......Well my dear, the Reds are off to an inauspicious start to say the least. At their first game in the new "Great American Ballpark," they had Daddy Bush throw out the first ball and Lee Greenwood sing his flag waiver which seems to have then resulted in a mighty 10-1 loss to the Pirates.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: stevetheORC
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 08:31 AM

Rangers are going to do it this year, shame to hear that Jetter has hurt himself though. From a British Orc


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 10:20 AM

Bosox won't be worthy of official status w/Mudcat until they learn how to beat the DEVIL RAYS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 11:18 AM

The Red sox and Cubs!!!??

Jeez guys, I'd be happy to take yer money right now but.....

Who said that the "Curse of Ruth" wouldn't be in perpetuity.? I believe that was the original idea.

The Cubs? Management simply hasn't cared. And I guess the patrons haven't resorted to violence yet (or enough).

Now last night we got a glimpse of things to come......Friggin Clemens (who is even disliked by his own team.....quick! think of others with that label..Reggie, Daryl, anyone else?)

Anyway...Clemens has developed a FORK BALL (nope, what he'd been throwing was a splitter) and it simply Disappears. The guy's gonna get at least a couple of good (18-22 wins) seasons out of it.

Jeter gets hurt! Panic? Not with THAT team.

They steal a mean lookin' Cuban pitcher (Contreras) away from BOSTON, and the guy comes in and looks dangerous and hungry. He WILL be a strter.

Now is there any team in baseball that'll get 15 wins out of that Toronto bashin' Lardball David Wells? Yup. The Yanks. Trust me, he'll win 15 just to spite Steinbrenner.

This Soriano guy! He looks like a friggin' prayin' Mantas!! This guy is JUST coming into his own...did you SEE how he hits those homers...he just golfs bad pitches.

Ohhhhhh poor Toronto. Our ONLY pitcher gets creamed.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: JenEllen
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 11:41 AM

Thanks all, what a terrific read!

Honestly, thank the gods for baseball season. Somehow we can manage to do the same amount of screaming and finger-pointing, but it doesn't have the same feeling of combat fatigue that I've found in all the focking war coverage (I know, the season is early yet, and the closest the Mariners or Giants will get to a pennant is if they buy one at a souvenir stand). Something about all that messy "brother against brother, line in the sand, spit in your eye" stuff that is horrible on a battlefield, but fan-freaking-tastic on a baseball diamond. PLAY ON!

~Jen


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: YOR
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 12:42 PM

Orioles fan here too! Maybe they can not be such bums this year.

Funny, last nights game in Baltimore was interrupted 15 minutes for snow.

I agree, Angelos is a major jerk.

Too bad about them Terps. Darn!

Jeffp, I married a Baltimore girl too. O's fan before that.

Mets fan too, does that make sense.

Enjoy, Roy


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Amos
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 02:53 PM

The New Washington team should be called the Supremes, and sold to the Prez. Or at least, the sale should be documented...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Pseudolus
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 04:32 PM

What?!?!? No current Phillies fans????? Pitcher after pitcher will have to come in here and handle Rollins, Abreau, Thome, Burrell, Lieberthal, Bell, Byrd, Polanco game after game..... Games are gonna just last forever!! Takes a while to score all them there runs! As if that's not bad enough, the pitchng staff finally has a legitimate ace in Millwood, followed by Padilla, Wolf and Myers. The only negative might be a decrease in saves for Mesa.....the games just won't be close enough!!! Go Phillies!!!!!!!!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 04:36 PM

I just like the Reds, I don't make any apologies for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,Jays fan
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:09 PM

The Yankees are simply awesome. They are disecting the Jays. It's not pretty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:13 PM

Great to see the various supporters of individual teamings coming out, after a winter of hibernation. It seems certain that the Expos will leave Montreal and head to the DC area, or perhaps Portland,(a long shot). A bad stadium and the Cdn dollar didn't help the situation. Even my beloved Blue Jays could eventually be headed for a similiar fate. Even with the new baseball agreement, the gap between the have and have nots will probably stay the same, which takes away from the integrity of the game. Economics rules the roost in all pro sports. At least this season for ball fans, there's no threat of a strike, so it will be business as usual. My name for the new Washington team would be the 'Bushers'. They've failed twice before to support ball down there, so what has changed? Anyway, good luck to all fans of major league teams, and let the games continue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:44 PM

Rick, you're letting reality and facts cloud your judgement.
The Curse of the Bambino is what makes Red Sox fans root for the team year after year; careless management and ineptitude is what makes Cubbies fans root for them.
The might of the Yanks and A-Rod's salary is of no consequence.
Of course there's no other team we'd rather beat than the Yankees, and we'd love to see Steinbrenner get so steamed and furious that he'd inflate and burst leaving pinstriped guts, entrails and shit all over Yankee Stadium.
Mark Cohen, indeed I KNOW what's going to happen on the last pitch, but just like the movie Groundhog Day, we're doomed to do it over and over again.
So here I am doing it again for another season.
'Spaw, thanks for trying to get the little Sox/Cubs movement going in spite of all the yaysayers. Yes, I meant "yay" sayers.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:08 PM

Yo Mark:

Yeah, I had the fortune and misfortune of spending the summer of '64 at the Jersy Shore (Long Beach Island) with some frineds of my parents who had a beach house. They also had tyhree loud mouthed sons who all loved the Phillies. Yeah all I heard about the entire summer was just how bad the Senators were and how good Robin Robrets could pitch. Long summer.....

Blackcatter:

That was uncalled for. The Senators were not last in the National League. They were last in the American League, thank you. But I'd rather have a last place team (ahhhh, the sorry Bullets come to mind) than no team at all.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: YOR
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:29 PM

When Washington held the contest to name the new hockey team my father submitted "Puckers".

"Washington Puckers" kind of has a nice ring to it.

If Washington gets a baseball team they better do something about the street crime in the stadium area. Footballs not so bad, 8 day games maybe a sunday or monday night game every once in awhile. But all those baseball night games!

I have Ken Burns "Baseball" on DVD on order. Looking forward to a major lazy streak soon.

Enjoy, Roy


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: bet
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 01:29 PM

Yesterday was April Fools Day. I hope that's what the Rockies were thinking when they lost BIG time. Hope things improve but even if they don't I'm still their fan. bet


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 06:53 PM

Sorry Bobert, I could have sworn that they were NL. I even looked it up on line (put the first part of the quote into Google and the first two said NL - go figure).


Two questions all,

First - what are the great curses of Baseball teams

The Red Sox curse of trading Ruth.

The other one is the White Sox curse of the Black Sox scandal.


ALSO:

If Mudcat where to have an "official" team - shouldn't it have something to do with the quantity and quality of folk songs about the team?

Please talk amongst yourselves . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 07:51 PM

There is the Cubbies Curse. Any original cubbie that gets traded to another team makes that team a looser.

But really everyone, don't we ALL love the Cubbies? Who among us wouldn't pull for them should they get into the World Series? Well, except for the fans of the other team of course.

As for Cincinnati, their outfield could be one of the best if Griffey plays up to par. Adam Dunn and Aus Kearns complete the trio. If things go right Dunn could be another George Foster.

But the Reds may switch Boone to second base to make room for Brandon Larson at third. That would leave aging Barry Larkin at SS which could weadken the middle infield defense.

As for the Phills, yes they have some power sluggers, but they better put some younger arms at the back end of the rotation. The bullpen is a little iffy as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 10:10 PM

Sorry Walking Eagle, but I am a 3rd generation White Sox fan. The only way most Sox fans want the Cubs in the Series is so they could beat them in 4 straight.

I gotta admit you still have one of the best fields and I wish that the lights could come down.

My dad used to say (quoting someone else, of course) the the Chigaoan's definition of heaven is the have the Cubs and the Sox in the Series, Have it tied to the 7th game, In the 7th, played at Wrigley, have it tied late in the game and then called on account of darkness.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:10 PM

Pseudolus, I'm right there with you, man, soft pretzel, Ballantine Beer, and all. But who are those guys? Sorry, all I've been able to hear on the radio for the last 8 years here in Hawaii is the Giants (who were, it should be told, my second favorite team as a kid). I'm still basking in the days of Jim Bunning, Chris Short, John Callison, Richie (that's right, Richie) Allen, Tony Taylor...hell, I still remember all their numbers! (32, 41, 6, 15, and 8, since you asked.) And what's this I hear about a new stadium? What's wrong with Shibe Park? (Actually it had already been renamed Connie Mack Stadium when I went there, but my dad always called it Shibe Park.)

Aloha,
Mark

Oh, and Bobert, your dates are a teeny bit off. I saw Roberts pitch in the first Phillies game I ever went to, but that was, I believe, in '60 or '61. He retired before the '64 season. We had the aforementioned Bunning and Short...and not too much else. Art Mahaffey? John Boozer? puh-lease! And Rick Wise was just an 18-year-old rookie--but a good one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:31 PM

And Rick Wise went on to a career with the Red Sox, if I'm not mistaken. Glasses and all.
My theory FWIW, the team with the most ex-Red Sox players will win the World Series, a corollary the the Cubs' theory espoused earlier.

Sedamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Pooby
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:17 PM

Red Sox, Cubs... ah hell, anyone can have a bad century.

Pooby


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST,WillyGuest
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:59 PM

I have been a fan of major league baseball, but with overblown salaries, over-advertised venues from the ballpark itself to the radio and TV broadcasts, to the video games, endorsements, ad infinitum of all professional sports, it seems that the vgame itself has been as exploited by the mega-corporations as badly as our beloved music has been exploited in the same way. With music we have alternatives. Small, independent labels, local performers, public radio programming, etc.
I think it is time for some wealthy retired athletes to have an alt.league for our beloved National Pastime. Let it start small and grow in its own unusual ways. Internet play-by-play, indy label baseball cards, barnstorming tours to areas with small markets, who knows what or how?
(Historical Note: In his early days with the Bluegrass Boys, Bill Monroe always toured with a group who could take the field. Back then most towns had a local ball team. The bluegrass boys would field their teasm against the locals in the afternoon as a promo for the evening concert. Thin that would happen today?)

Willy-the-guest


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:30 PM

Yankees sweep Jays! These bastards!

They've broken my heart again.......NO....they WON'T come back from an 0 and 3 start. Too much is revealed in those three games.

And the Bronx Bombers FOURTH pitcher? David Wells. An idiot..granted...but an idiot who'll throw strikes and win at least 15 games before his back goes out.

Rick (fairweather fan)


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Clifton53
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 02:11 PM

I watched parts of all 3 Toronto-Yankee games, and I've fallen in love with whoever the woman hanging out behind home plate is, I guess she has some sort of job back there, but ooeee, Baseball? There's a game going on?


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 05:08 PM

I suppose we can all grumble over something our teams did. I'm still a little steamed about the trade of Paul O'Neil by the Reds to the Yanks. Real swift there guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 05:18 PM

Trading has never been one of the Reds' long suits in recent years.........Sorry to say.......

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 07:37 PM

I was hoping that with Marge Schott mostly out of the picture that the Red's would loosten up the purse strings a little. Not pull a Florida Marlins thing, but to build a more balanced team.

Fans now say the Baseball is just a business. It always has been folks, it's just that in times past the owners cared more about the fans. Seems like a good busines should build it's customer (fan) base and work hard to keep it. Guess I'm a little outdated in that area.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 10:20 PM

Owners "cared" more about the fans because 1) they had complete control over the lives of their playesrs & 2) every team lived and died on grandstand receipts.

Today, the players have a lot of autonomy and with radio, TV, naming of their stadiums, product promotion, etc. the only reason the owners care if there are fans in the stands is because "canned" crowd sounds still sound fake.

Screw the players, screw the owners, screw the commisioner, screw the courts that have repeadedly held up the oscene fiction that Baseball is different from "normal" business.

That being said: Go Angels!

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 11:06 PM

My point exactly. By whatever definition , good or bad, or however they did it, they built a fan base. Owners don't care to do that anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 11:17 PM

All seriousness aside, minor-league ball is one of the best values in the country.
When I'm on the road performing, which I am frequently, I'll always try and catch a minor-league game. Single-A, double-A, triple-A, the top ticket price is around seven bucks, there isn't a bad seat in the house, nada the players, coaches and umps are hustling their asses off.
The players sign autographs for little kids, the beer and hotdogs taste just as good, and it won't bankrupt a family of four for a night at the ballyard.
Hell, I love high-school and Legion ball too. And Little League.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 11:25 PM

I really like the ideas of Willyguest, in regards to getting back to basics for baseball. We must remind ourselves, the lords of baseball, as well as the players, that is still and always will be OUR(the fans) game. We are the paying customers who've long deserved a whole better. Naming Stadia after corporations is monstrous, and having to see ads behind home plate is demeaning to this great sport. I know that sports is all about money nowadays, but it doesn't mean that it ain't sickening. Now Rick, you just gotta relax a bit. We're 3 games into the season, and even though the Bronx Bombers just sent a strong message to these young Jays, let's give these guys time to mature and blossom. If J.P. and about 26 or so other GM's had the Yankees payroll, I think things would be a lot different. Granted they spend their money pretty wisely, unlike the crappy Mets. Somebody once said that baseball is a funny game, so when the Jays go back to NY next week, it could be that they take 3 out 4 games. Unlikely yes, but strange things happen in the world of sports. Maybe some nutbar in the Yanks pr dept. will put bird droppings on a Jays hat, and give us extra incentive to beat those guys. The next great young hurler in the bigs is Mark Prior, former number 1 pick of the Cubbies. Looks like much better days ahead for Dusty's boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 03:07 AM

Seamus, I'm with you on minor league baseball. For the first few years I lived in Hawaii there was a Hawaii Winter Baseball League. Only 4 teams (Hilo Stars--our home team, West Oahu Cane Fires, Maui Stingrays and Honolulu Sharks). A and AA players (including two women at one point). The stadium in Hilo was small and friendly, you got to see the players up close and really feel a part of the game. Sadly, the league couldn't sustain itself and folded after 4 years. I miss it. A local journalist wrote a book about the league, called The Boys of Winter. Just in case anyone might be interested.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 03:51 AM

How can you not love minor league ball? One of the nicer things in my life is that I live close to a city with a minor league ball club. I've been watching the Columbus Clippers since they were the Redbirds back in the 50's and then the Jets. They're the AAA Club for the Yankees and you can see a good game and have a fun night with the family and spend less than 50 bucks including gas, parking, food, and assorted ballpark junk. Additionally, there is someone who's giving away tickets for almost every game when a block is bought by some company.

Last year and almost every year we had free tickets to "Dime-A-Dog Night" and our two families went (4 adults, 4kids). We got there early and were able to upgrade to box seats, ate around 40 dogs, bought a couple of caps, bought drinks and some other munchies too, and went home after seeing a damn good ball game feeling great because the whole night for EIGHT people had cost about $65.00. Geeziz, I can't get a pair of decent Reds tickets for that. Any night's good but the promo nights are especially easy to get free tickets for and like I say, if you want to do the upgrade, it's cheap. We also hit "Sliders Night" last year sponsored by the Slider maker----White Castle. White Castle burgers at a quarter a piece......Man, you can be sicker than hell for only a few bucks!!!

But the ball is always good and that's the main thing. The stadium is park style, close in to downtown, and they went back to grass a few years ago.....just great!!! Wayne and I always enjoy the games and end up commenting invariably about the action. On a good night you see damn near every kind of play and it's rarely boring. If I wasn't just getting through an acute attack of diverticulitis we'd load the van up with both families and go tonight! Check the coupon on the Columbus Clippers Home Page.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 06:44 AM

Rounders is a G.A.A. sport and quite like Fast Pitch Softball.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 10:34 AM

I've mentioned this before but twenty odd years ago I watched a very young Randy Johnson scare the living crap out of the Nashville Sounds. I walked down to the screen (this WAS a minor league park) and his pitches were simply lethal. No control, each fastball potential death, and Nashville knew it.

Toronto trying to stretch their streak to four tonight. Tanyon Sturtze starting...so they'll probably make it.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 03:05 PM

Rick- I think that's it's a great pity that J.P. couldn't have seen you in your prime, knocking the balls over the wall, while playing in the musician's league. I think you played first base in your early years, and then moved into the DH position. Scouts tell me that you were all timber and no leather. Is that true? And yes, the Jays will probably go to 0-4 tonite against the Twinkies, but just maybe we can keep the opposition to under 10 runs, and I'll consider that a moral victory. Speaking of the Twins, I wonder if Kirby Puckett had O.J.'s team of lawyers working for him? In that case, perhaps he would have put on his undersized centrefielder's glove to prove his innocence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 06:20 PM

I love our local team too - the Orlando Rays. Between them and the fact that I see 10 to 20 spring training gamesw a year, I hope Orlando never gets a big league team. I've only been to see Tampa Bay once, but I also hate their stadium - looks like a flying saucer crashed in St. Pete.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 09:52 AM

Ha ha ha!! GUEST, my day has been made!

Your evaluation (you HAD to have been there) is good but not perfect. There was never anything wrong with my glove, I just got to the point where I couldn't get it in the way of the ball fast enough!

Now of course that wasn't the ONLY problem in my declining baseball years. I simply was the second slowest runner in the league. The slowest was Marc, my shrink, who was 60! Twice I hit rockets to right field .....and was thrown OUT at first! That really DOES hurt.

Now, in the last three years of my career another problem was created. Some total dork claimed that too many cheap home runs were goin' over the right field fence......so they made them into DOUBLES! Jeesus Christ, the five or six 'blooper' guys in the league, didn't get any more homers....but I didn't either, and I hit mine a long ways!

That was about the end........oh....and we bought a house, so Heather wouldn't let me out to play twice a week. I had to stay home and teach banjo.....bummer!

The Jays WIN!!!!

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 02:44 PM

Gee - shouldn't you extend the fence if you think there's too many home runs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 08:05 PM

Rick- Well, they might have moved the fences in on you during your hayday, but to make matters worse, weren't you also playing in the 'dead ball' era? Not a bit fair, but what respect, big fella! If you're interested, the rest of the scouting report on you reads as follows- 1- has a bit of trouble with the spitter and knuckle ball, but hits the the shit out of the heater and curveball. 2- Tends to hustle more with two outs, because he knows there's cold beer waiting for him in the dugout. 3- Has been know to do some serious 'beaver shooting', so most women in the 'box' seats tend to wear slacks, even on hot days. 4- Like the Babe, he tends to wolf down a hot dog or two between innings, but claims he gets more energy as the game goes on. 5- He once lifted his arm and pointed with his index finger towards the outfield fence, indicating where he would deposit the ball, however, the evidence later showed he noticed a young guitar player forming an incorrect chord on his guitar. He gave the poor kid proper shit, and then took him out for a pop after the game. Once a teacher, always a teacher. The Sporting News noted that this particular scout was immediately fired after filing this report. Finally, if you want to know anything about baseball trivia between 1940-1960, Rick's your man. Anything later, it's just a rumour to the poor man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Baseball
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 08:54 PM

Just to clear up a few misconceptions....

My trivia wizardry is actually best from nineteen TWENTY to nineteen sixty THREE or four. Post Bill Mazeroski and Ralph Terry and I start fallin' apart.

Now I DID meet Heather at one of our games, and perhaps she might have been more impressed had we been playing BASEBALL rather than slow pitch softball....but the truth is I really DID whale on those 18 mile an hour heaters!

Cheers

Rick


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