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Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar

GUEST,JanetCT 18 Jan 01 - 06:27 PM
Sorcha 18 Jan 01 - 06:34 PM
GUEST,Eluned 18 Jan 01 - 09:25 PM
GUEST,Celtaddict 03 Apr 03 - 12:11 AM
Charley Noble 03 Apr 03 - 09:12 AM
Celtaddict 03 Apr 03 - 09:50 PM
Charley Noble 04 Apr 03 - 09:16 AM
Jim Dixon 05 Apr 03 - 01:29 PM
Gareth 05 Apr 03 - 05:58 PM
GUEST,celtaddict 05 Apr 03 - 06:52 PM
GUEST,Ed 20 Oct 06 - 10:37 PM
GUEST,Guest J 02 Apr 09 - 09:14 PM
GUEST,J 02 Apr 09 - 09:21 PM
Peace 02 Apr 09 - 09:22 PM
Celtaddict 19 Apr 09 - 10:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 09 - 11:03 PM
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Subject: Skagramar
From: GUEST,JanetCT
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 06:27 PM

I learned a song in Grade school, in a minor key, called "Skagramar" which was the name of a ghost ship which was apparently a sort of Scandinavian "Flying Dutchman." The melody and parts of the words have been floating around my cranium for decades. It includes the opening

"A marvelous tale know to all near and far
Is told of the once-mighty ship Skagramar,
Her masts rising proudly above the blue bay
As swift as a cloud she went sailing away
Venturing northward and far from her home
Through ice green water and fleecy white foam..."

Some sort of long forgotten disaster befalls her and she ultimately is seen in tatters and unmanned, and the song ends

"The ghost of the once-mighty ship Skagramar."

Does anyone out there have the whole song?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Skagramar
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 06:34 PM

No luck in the DT or with Copernic Search........time to go to work, guys!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Skagramar
From: GUEST,Eluned
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 09:25 PM

Are you definite on the spelling of the ship's name? Or is this the phonetic you've worked out, and it could be spelled any number of ways?


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Subject: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST,Celtaddict
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:11 AM

Around 1960 I learned a song called "Skagramar" and I have never heard it recorded or found it in a songbook. It is a sort of Scandinavian Flying Dutchman tale, of a ship that sailed out but returned a ghost ship. It is in a minor key and I recall scraps of the lyrics.

   A marvelous tale known to all near and far
   Is told of the once mighty ship Skagramar
   Her mast rising proudly above the blue bay
   As swift as a cloud she went sailing away.

   Venturing northward and far from her home
   Through icy green water and fleecy white foam...
      
(last line) The ghost of the once-mighty ship Skagramar.

I have asked plenty of folks at the Sea Music Festival, with no luck. (I know more shantymen than anyone really should.) If they do not know it, it could be a good addition. Does this sound familiar to anyone?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:12 AM

What you've posted above reminds me of a Norwegian song in the DT:

A MIGHTY SHIP WAS THE GUNDREMAR
(Kathleen Davis)

A mighty ship was the Gundremar,
Proudly sailing, proudly sailing,
O'er winter wave she adventured far,
North ward hailing, northward hailing;
Through crash of storm and the tempest's roar,
A plunging on to find a distant shore,
Proudly sailing, proudly sailing.

All dark the night and wild the storm,
Waters churning, waters churning.
Full brave the ship on the rolling sea,
Danger spurning, danger spurning;
Loud crash of rock on a shattered prow
And down beneath the wave a ship shall bow
Unreturning, unreturning.

A ghostly ship is the Gundremar,
Ever sailing, ever sailing,
O'er winter skies she adventures far,
Northward hailing, northward hailing;
No shadow falls on the silver night,
As down the moonlit way she takes her flight
Ever sailing, ever sailing.

@ship @wreck @ghost @Norwegian
filename[ GUNDRMAR
TUNE FILE: GUNDRMAR

What you think?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Celtaddict
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:50 PM

That is definitely not the song I recall, as I recall some bits quite precisely, including the scansion which is altogether different, but certainly sounds like a relative; I have never heard of that one. Do you have information on it? Is it recorded somewhere? Did Kathleen Davis write it, record it, collect it, contribute it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 09:16 AM

Check the thread discussion. The song has been around, I believe, since the early 1900's. I'm not sure when it was first translated. An old friend of my family, Winifred (Wendy) Holt collected a version in the early 1940's but I don't know much more about the details. The words, with the exception of two missing lines in the Holt copy, are exactly the same.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 01:29 PM

Is there any way you can check the spelling of "Skagramar"? The ONLY thing Google can find with the spelling "Skagramar" is Mudcat itself, which is a very odd situation. Click here. I also tried several variations of the spelling and came up with nothing.

Does anyone know of a good search engine that allows "sounds like" searches?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 05:58 PM

Last year, when this balard first arose I put the "Skagramar" into the now defunct Olsons shipping news - no result. Just trying to check the history.

Little known fact, in the middle of the last centuary Lloyd's of Lomndon was asking a premium of about 4% per anum for a sailing ship.

For a bad owner 6-7% or more was required.

Take out the "Particular Average" (= Damage only) element and ask yerself what was the working life expanse of a sailing ship and crew

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST,celtaddict
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 06:52 PM

I wish I could check the spelling. My memory is sometimes spotty, but I am quite sure of the title; I have a vivid mental picture of the page I saw it on, printed in teal and white, with a sketch of the ship with the sails in tatters and the threatening sea. I know the melody, though I couldn't begin to put it online. I was ten or eleven years old at the time so it is mentally filed with those indelible ones learned in childhood. It was in the "Folk Songs from Around the World" type section of a schoolroom songbook. It only had about four verses, though the location of the song suggests to me that it might have been a shorter form of a longer ballad. It certainly sounds like a relative of Gundremar, above, but the melody must be different because those words would not fit.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:37 PM

I sang the same song in gradeschool in the 1957 to 1959 timeframe. It was one of my favorites. I remember the same speeling, which is how I found this thread.


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Subject: ADD: Viking Song (Martin/Dello Joio)
From: GUEST,Guest J
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 09:14 PM

This is called "Viking Song" and is listed in Music Around the World, Book 6, a school song book published by Silver Burdett in 1956.   The words are by Ruth and Thomas Martin and the tune by Norman Dello Joio.

VIKING SONG
(words by Ruth and Thomas Martin; tune by Norman Dello Joio)

1. A marvelous tale known to all near and far
Is told of the once mighty ship Skagramar
Her mast rising proudly above the blue bay
And swift as a cloud she went sailing away
Adventuring northward and far from her home
Through icy green water and fleecy white foam.

2. The ship traveled onward and into the night
Pursued by a storm wind of terrible might
So deep was the darkness not even one star
Shone down from the sky on the brave Skagramar
Lashed on by the waves with a terrible roar
She shattered and sank off a wild rocky shore.

3. Forever and ever the mariners say
A ghost ship sails high on the pale milky way
They watch for it always wherever they roam
Eternally seeking a safe voyage home
It fades in the glow of the clear morning star
The ghost of the once mighty ship Skagramar.

Source: Music Around the World, Book 6, a school song book published by Silver Burdett in 1956

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST,J
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 09:21 PM

Title of the song is Viking Song (not Viking Ship)
    Correction made. Joe Offer, Moderator


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 09:22 PM

LYRIC ADD--note title change above.

Good one, J.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Celtaddict
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:13 PM

Wow! Thank you so much, Guest J! I just reviewed my old traced threads and am delighted to see this one from six years ago (just before I was even a member)(or eight years if you count from the first request, as I was also 'Guest JanetCT') finally bear fruit! (It is also gratifying to find that what I did remember, I remembered accurately!)
I love this place.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:03 PM

To add to the confusion- There are several compositions called "Viking Song."

"Viking Song," Nick Allmark. About the Greenland colony failure.
http://www.nickallmark.co.uk/page6/page8/page8.html

Brian A. Hartford, "A Viking Song."
http:www.authorsden.com/visit/viewPoetry.asp?id=170897

Beth Wheeler, "Viking Song," tune Jingle Bells
http://www.chimeracorner.com/beth/viking.html

S. Coleridge Taylor, "Viking Song." Sheet music published. I have not checked for the composer of the music.

More on google.

Except for the Mudcat reference, I could not find the Martin and dello Joio song on google.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 02:45 AM

MIDI posted here (click) from the Silver Burdett Music Around the World. Does the tune sound right to those of you who learned this song years ago?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar
From: Celtaddict
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:25 AM

Joe, that's it! There is a one-note difference in the fifth line, and the ending is different, but the basic melody is the one I recall. The differences, actually, are the sort of change a song undergoes in being sung through the years anyway. Thank you so much. I do not know why, of all those grade school songs, this one has stuck with me so, but I am very happy to have all of it back again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:35 PM

did Kathleen Davis write the song "Three Sailors" as well??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 01:04 AM

Thanks for the song. I too have been haunted by this song with it's melody wnadering around in my head for the past fifty years. Now my wife and family know that it' a true song. thanks again.


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