Tune Add: Andy's Gone With Cattle (trad Australia)

Subject: Tune Add: ANDY'S GONE WITH CATTLE
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 27 Jul 98 - 07:20 PM

This tune was missing from the DT. Source is the Joy Durst Collection from the Victorian Folk Music Club.

Great lyrics - nice tune!

Input using NoteWorthy Composer.

MIDI file: andygone.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: ANDY'S GONE WITH CATTLE
Text: By Henry Lawson
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: F
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Andy's Gone With Cattle
M:3/4
Q:1/4=100
K:F
C2CFF2|-FFEGB2|-BBAcF2|E2E2F2|-FCCFF2|F2EGB2|
-BBAcF2|E2E2F2|-FcAcc2|-cAcBB2|-BGEGB2|B2B2A2|
-ACCFF2|F2EGB2|-BBAcF2|E2E2F7/4||

Enjoy John

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 Jul 98 - 11:34 PM

I KNOW it's worth learning----but first I'd have to learn to do ANYTHING AT ALL in the key of "F"!In all my years I have NEVER---EVER played anything in "F"!! But my buddy, Jerry Rasmussen, does play "Coal Man Blues" in "F" come to think of it!

Art

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 98 - 12:33 AM

Funny..it's easy on my autoharp *grin*...(and Mother Maybelle was always saying ,"I guess we'll have to do that one in 'F standard' tuning..")

and I know a couple of guitarists who just roll their eyes and reach for a capo for the one or two things I do in F..

but PLEASE...nothing in B!!...B flat, yes, but not B..

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Aug 98 - 02:02 AM

Nice tune, isn't it, John? I take it that you're John J Leahy, and that you don't hold the copyright - correct?
The song is on the wonderful "Water Lily" album by Priscilla Herdman; and also by Gerry Hallom on an album called "Undiscovered Australia II." I thought I heard it on a recording by Bok-Muir-Trickett or Golden Ring, but maybe not. It sure is a beautiful song.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 98 - 05:21 PM

as I posted in another thread many months ago, I consider Gerry Hallom's way of doing this song far and away the best(though the record I have is his earlier "Travellin' Down the Castlereagh"...he simply gets the rhythm right..(and in this song, it is tricky...try it in ¾ time...then in 4/4 time..world of difference...I can barely tolerate it as a sing-songy waltz anymore).. My wife has learned it pretty well, and I love to hear her do it.

Gerry Hallom says he learned the song from Dave de Hugard, who seems to have really 'made' this song in Australia...

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: bbc
Date: 01 Aug 98 - 10:03 PM

You're right, Joe, it is on a Bok, Muir, Trickett--the "Water Over Stone" recording. I like Priscilla Herdman's version, too.

bbc

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 03:09 AM

G'day,
In the 1964 publication "The Penguin Australian Songbook" by John Manifold (born 1915) he says, "The tune is one I learnt as a boy; Mrs webb whom I have quoted before confirms my impression that it is fairly old. Technically, it seems to belong to the James Hook period, and may have been a London pleasure garden song originally". The tune is in F in this book as well. Dave de Hugard probably sings it although I've never heard him do so. It's quite well known here independently of Dave.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 10:17 AM

Thanks, Alan..it sure is nice to get new info on these questions by just sitting down & typing...there are a number of people I know who really like a lot of the Australian songs, but until the last couple of years, it was hard to get a 'feel' for the place of a lot of it 'down there'...not to mention variations on lyrics and tunes! Sure will be interesting to see how this forum affects the 'folk process' in 20 years!

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 08:01 PM

G'day all,

I should download the MIDI/ABC and see how it compares with the various versions I have of this song. I think the tune is the same one that was first published in the Bush Music Club's late 1950s booklet "Songs from Lawson". This was the result of a competition held by the Club for new or traditional tunes set to the poems of Henry Lawson.

John Manifold entered this version and it does sound very nice. The BMC publication was probably the first place where it was published with the collected tune although John Manifold had started publishing individual songs in a series of 'broadsheets', The Bandicoot Ballads, staring about 1951.

I republished the BMC booklet, in facsimile, around 1972 and (since we had to go with pretty big print runs) we still have a few copies lying around at the back of the publications cupboard for $1 each! The booklet is in octavo format (~21 cm x 13 cm - or 8.25" x 5.25" in the old money)and has a dozen or so settings of Lawson poems.

The best published source for settings of Henry Lawson's Poems is Chris Kempster's "The Songs of Henry Lawson", published about ten years ago and now out of print. This is a roughly American quarto sized book of some 200 pages with about 200 different tunes to some 100 or so Lawson poems (I will check my copy for exact details and post them later).

I notice that we still have 3 copies sitting in the aforementioned publication cupboard. These are probably the only new copies left anywhere. I think the retail price is Aus$29.95 - Penguin Books / Viking O'neill did a printing run of only 3000, so the unit cost is higher than we would like to have seen. If they had done 5000, the RRP would have been $24.95 and sales much better ... but that's the problem of being a minority interest in a remote country with a small population.

Of course, if the current (latest) bunch of racist, isolationists, politically based somewhere equidistant between the Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and the Know-Nothing Party were to have any sway, we would have nobody to sell books to ... if they were to let people do dangerous things like print books.

regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 08:50 PM

Bob,
I'll have to check when I get home but I think Manifold mentioned the tune being published previously in The Bandicoot Ballads.

You're right about Chris Kempster's book. It even has a couple of tunes by Alan Foster (whoever he is). Some of the best tunes are the ones Chris wrote himself.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 10:01 PM

Thanks to Joe for pointing out the copyright mistake of mine. I certainly make no claims to it - this is simply the default inserted by NoteWorthy Composer when I created the Midi file. I will be more careful to actively remove the reference in the future.

Regards John

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 10:22 PM

I reckoned so, John. Your claim to the copyright has been removed. Sorry if that keeps you from getting the Big Bucks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 11:48 PM

G'day all and Alan,

Yeah, Chris' Lawson Book is too good to vanish. There is an increasing interest in Lawson's verse as song and now we have the ear of people all over the globe. We should all go along to the nearest book shop and ask about the book's availablity.

We should encourage all our international friends to ask their bookshops about it ... maybe Penguin (or whoever owns their Australian arm these days) will print another run - and sell a few in their open, international, level-playing-field markets (or was that a myth?).

Oh, BTW, this has nothing to do with the fact that the book also has one setting by some bloke named Bob Bolton.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: MUSIC ADD:Andy's Gone With Cattle
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 03 Aug 98 - 12:04 AM

G'day,
I've just checked - Manifold said that the tune had been previously published in the Bandicoot Ballads.

Cheers,
Alan