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Origin: Stone outside Dan Murphy's Door (Patterson

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GUEST, GEST 06 Apr 03 - 01:24 PM
Raggytash 06 Apr 03 - 07:25 PM
Banjo-Flower 07 Apr 03 - 08:23 AM
MartinRyan 07 Apr 03 - 09:31 AM
GUEST,James M. Ciric 09 Dec 04 - 12:41 AM
Big Tim 09 Dec 04 - 04:42 AM
GUEST,GM 10 Oct 10 - 08:07 AM
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Subject: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Garden
From: GUEST, GEST
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 01:24 PM

At the "Local Ireland" Web site, in the "County Clare" section, is a page about the history of Ennis, Ireland. Included is the following excerpt. :-)

{snip}

"Johnny Patterson (1840 - 1889)

Patterson was a ballad maker, song writer, musician and circus entertainer. The colourful character first started work as an apprentice in his uncle's workshop in Ennis as a nailer. He joined the British Army as a drummer boy and became quite competent not alone on the drums but also as a piccolo player. After five years army service he joined the circus as an entertainer. He entertained large audiences at home and abroad with such well known companies as Risarelli's, Cooper & Bailey's and Powell & Clarke's Great Circus. Patterson composed the well- known songs "The Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door", "Bridget Donahue" and "The Garden Where the Praties Grow"."

{/snip}

Source: Ennis, County Clare History


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Subject: RE: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Garden
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 07:25 PM

Dan Murphys is a bar in Smeen, County Kerry, a few miles south of Kilarney. Outside the bar there is a large stone, probably a ton in weight, that looks like the bar was built next to it, rather than it having been brought there.
Conversely it may have been a mounting stone for climbling aboard horses


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Subject: RE: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Garden
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 08:23 AM

Been there even sat on it and its in Sneem not Smeen(what were you drinking at Whitby)
BTW is climbling aboard horses a new sport in Huddersfield?

Gerry


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Subject: RE: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Garden
From: MartinRyan
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 09:31 AM

There's quite a lot about Patterson on the web. Short biography HERE

Regards


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Subject: RE: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Gar
From: GUEST,James M. Ciric
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 12:41 AM

Dan Murphy is a relative of mind the "Stone" was a large rock that sat ouside of the Bakery that he own in the town Newcastle upon Fergus outside the town of Shannon in the County Claire. Dan Murphy had been a Math Professor at the local university. It was still there till the early 90's until the road was widened and had to be removed. I am related to Dan Murphyon my mothers side, her madien name being Murray, her mothers being Fanning and her mothers was Murphy the daughter of Dan Murphy. Dan Murphy also had a son name Dan Murphy who fought in the IRA, who had been forced to emirgate to America after a successfull assassination of an English lord. My grandmother when back to Ireland before her death in 1993, a long battle with cancer, she visited the bakery which is no longer in our family, and the present owners were happy to show her around. Sorry I just had to set the record straight on this issue, because it is a bit of family pride. Thank you very much. I hope this helps y'll.
James Martin Ciric


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Subject: RE: Origins: Stone Outside Dan Murphy's Door & Garden
From: Big Tim
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 04:42 AM

Interesting, but almost certainly totally mistaken! Is what you say based on any documentary or photographic evidence, or just family legend?

btw, the town you refer to should be Newmarket-on-Fergus, and the County is Co. Clare.

Johnny Patterson was raised in Ennis, some miles north of Newmarket, and left there was good in 1854, so, if the song is actually based on his life, it's set in the early 1850s, and based in Ennis. There was no "local university" at that time for "Dan Murphy" to be a Professor in. Patterson has no known link with Newmarket.

Local historians have researched the subject carefully and concluded that the Stone was set at Murphy's shop in Simm's Lane, Ennis: Johnny Patterson spent his childhood just round the corner. The purpose of the Stone was protect the gable end of the building from damage from passing carriages, carts, etc. The original Stone was removed in 1928 when the Simm's Lane area was being re-surfaced. Today the shop is owned by the Guerin family.

If you can substantiate your story, then fine: but so far, it's only a story.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Stone outside Dan Murphy's Door (Patterson
From: GUEST,GM
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 08:07 AM

I spent many a happy summer holiday in Sneem and sat outside Dan Murphys bar for hours as a kid. That stone was not there then. Shall dig out photos from attic I used to lean on the wondow sills. It probably took a crane to get the the stone there but definately wasnt there before 1972. That was the last time I visited for many years. When I did return in my thirties I was very bemused by the stone and believed it had been put there for the american tourists to sit on whilst waiting to use the public toilets that had been built for them. just alongside the pub.

There are many Dan Murphys bars in Ireland, but if you listen to the song it sings of a shop not a pub.

So the earlier posting about a bakery in Clare is more likely to be true than the rock in Sneem.

God BLESS


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Subject: RE: Origin: Stone outside Dan Murphy's Door (Patterson
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 11:08 PM

I am another relative of Dan Murphy My grandpa is an o'dwyer whose grandmother was Anne Murphy Dan Murphy daughter. i have never met James ciric but know the name as part of my family and i know his story is true. i have seen the pictures of Dan Murphy. and he passed down his abacus to my family. my great aunt was in possession of it until she passed a few years ago. saying a "historian" said something does not make it fact. i don't know the fine details of the story but i have sources.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Stone outside Dan Murphy's Door (Patterson
From: Brakn
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 05:39 AM

definately County Clare.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Stone outside Dan Murphy's Door (Patterson
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:40 AM

Its county Clare - you might be thinking of the IRA Kerry Man Jeremiah Murphy?


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