Subject: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 09 Apr 03 - 01:19 PM Anyone who wants the real scoop on George, try this web site, and be thankful for the Freedom of information act. www.talion.com/georgebush.html |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:14 PM Jaysus, Cap't, that's quite a find! Everytime I hear something new about him, I detest him that much more and despair for our country. Thank you. I will be sharing this with friends and family. kat |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Amos Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:24 PM Nice find, there, Kendall -- kinda indicates the man is a liar, huh? A |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Peg Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM wow...that was so depressing I could only get about 3/4 of the way through it and bookmarked it to finish later. Thanks, kendall...wonder if this information will still be available when Bush tries for re-election? assuming he isn't assassinated or doesn't choke on a pretzel before then. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:40 PM As if the others before him were not? What makes the current President a worse liar than some of his predecessors? Because you didn't vote for him? This happens every time someone new gets elected to just about anything. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Don Firth Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:41 PM "When small men cast long shadows, the sun is going down." - Venita Cravens Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Ebbie Date: 09 Apr 03 - 02:53 PM And this is the man that many devout Christians think is the person God has brought forth at a critical time to restore the nation's commitment to faith and decency. GAAAACCCCCKKKKK |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: GUEST,critical observer Date: 09 Apr 03 - 03:01 PM What makes the current President a worse liar than some of his predecessors? Because you didn't vote for him? Actually, what makes him a worse liar is that he is using his lies to wage a war in the name of the people of the United States. Big difference than lieing about sexual indiscretions or not inhaling. Where are those who made a big fuss about Clinton being "unfit to be Commander in Chief because he was a draft dodger" I agree that all politicians will get caught in lies, but when you continue to lie and lie and lie and put the young men and women of our country in harm's way, to say nothing of the innocents whose lives get lost, well........ What makes the current President a worse liar than some of his predecessors? Because you didn't vote for him? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: CarolC Date: 09 Apr 03 - 03:28 PM General William Turnipseed? Missing time, eh. Alien abduction perhaps? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 09 Apr 03 - 03:30 PM Hahaha!! That's it, Carol!! He's a Walk-in, the real Dumbya is on a planet somewhere else and we're being led by an alien which took over his bod!! I love it!! Oh, wayd-da-minut...I think that happened when he was just a baby, so...ummmm...maybe he's been an evil alien for a lot longer than we knew! **BG** |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Rapparee Date: 09 Apr 03 - 03:55 PM ...told you folks before that the REAL George W. Bush was sacrificed to Moloch as an infant.... |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Beccy Date: 09 Apr 03 - 04:02 PM Oh, yes... Totally unbiased reporting. In case you all missed the hatred dripping from between the lines, let me refresh you. "In his book, Mr. Bush offers a lovely-sounding (but bald-faced) lie to describe his F-102 fighter pilot experience" "Well, that is an odd way to describe ignoring two direct orders to appear for duty. He was then assigned to a disciplinary unit in Denver, and he didn't show up for that either." "Both the Bush Senior military tapes and the hand-picked bin Laden tapes provided a Texas-sized helping of White-House-friendly sound bytes, repeated dozens of times a day" All out of context? You bet, but when I read the article, all I took from it was that someone with some MAJOR sour grapes and a big, bitter attitude wrote a grudge piece. Beccy |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Don Firth Date: 09 Apr 03 - 04:15 PM Yes, Beccy, it is pretty obvious that whoever put that together is not real fond of George W. Bush, which, of course, is grounds for you to disbelieve it. But there is the uncomfortable problem of all those the sources and footnotes that the author cited, which, were you so inclined, would enabling you to look up the data for yourself. Facts are a real pain in the behind, aren't they? Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 09 Apr 03 - 04:18 PM Which article, Beccy? There were several with links. Did you read any of the actual official documents? You know, the ones which do not lie...and show that he really was relieved of flying because he wouldn't take the medical test, pesky things always test for drugs; or the others documenting the direct order he failed to obey; or, any of the many others for which there were links? Tough to admit one's *hero* is a consistent liar, isn't it? They say admitting it is the first step to recovery...maybe someone should tell him that. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 03 - 04:30 PM Like this is any thing new. Ol' hillbilly been seeing thru his lies and those of the crooks that he's been hanging around with. I used to thinkl that Powell wouldn't stoop as low as he has, but he does have a son who will also loose his political plum job as FCC chairmna, so I guess that makes 'em all crooks and liars. Much worse than the last bunch. They were just liars but not in the same league with Bush and Co. when it comes to outright crookery! Well, the next few months will show just what crooks and liars they are as they rig up their guys in Iraq, and then real *deals* and *ball games* will begin. Oh yeah, just like in the US, Bush will talk the talk 'cause that's all he knows how to do, but he won't walk the walk. Forget democracy when he's having anti-war demonstartors shot in the streets of America... Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Beccy Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:18 PM I never said he was my hero. I like him marginally. However, the article that I read was in fact written in a very combative manner. I was pointing that out. Yes, facts are a pain in the rear- as in when someone points out something that you don't want to hear. Beccy |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Beccy Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:20 PM Oh, and I read the whole article and 80% of the footnotes AND linked to a great many of the sources and read those, too. I still say it's a grudge piece. Does pointing that out make Bush my hero? Hardly. Do I think he's the right man for the job right now? Yes- and I'm ever so glad that Al Gore and Nader were not installed in office. Hallelujah, people. Beccy |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: harpgirl Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:36 PM Refresh my memory, Beccy. Just why is it that the United States and Britan need to wage war on IraQ? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Don Firth Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:43 PM Hallelujah, Jeb and Katherine. Now, there's an interesting story for some enterprising investigative reporter. OH! By Golly! There are some who have already dug into that one. One of many. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:50 PM Oh gee, Critical, you're right. Clinton never put any young men and women in harm's way. I forgot. Sorry. He was a perfect example of everything a great American leader should be. Of course. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:56 PM Clinton was a jerk and a liar but realitivly harmless compared to the lieing jerk de jour.... Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 09 Apr 03 - 06:14 PM As Jack Nicholsone said in A FEW GOOD MEN ""YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH." I am probably going to lose a friend because she would rather stick t0 her false belief about this creep than to face the truth. And, the fact that the writer doesn't like Bush does not in any way change the facts. Some of us knew from the start that he was a drunk, a drug user, a liar and a draft dodger. Too bad all those Nader voters didn't know. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: CraigS Date: 09 Apr 03 - 06:51 PM Ancient English saying - You can tell when a politician is lying because his lips move. Don't try to check the references - they won't agree by now. Rewriting history was perfected in the USSR fifty years ago, and learned by the US in the cold war. What you've got to worry about are the Funny People - every country has them, Molder was not entirely misled, the truth is out there. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 03 - 07:28 PM You know what I find curious, Kendall, is that this guy is so arrogant that he doesn't even attempt to cover his lies and crookery6. He just goes, "huff and puff" and all these folks who know deep down inside that he's lieing thru his teeth, swoon. This says more about the American people than Bush. Man, ol' Tom Jefferson would puke at the gullibility of the masses. Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 09 Apr 03 - 08:13 PM Remember "Tailgunner" Joe McCarthy? R Senator from Min. The liar was never a tail gunner, or any other gunner. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: DougR Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:51 AM Wow! Talion.com! A low cost publicity firm! Where did you drag this one up from Kendall? Anybody read the material on their website? Seems like a real steller publicity organization to me. I they play their cards right, they might snag the DNC as a client! :>) DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Peg Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:59 AM Gee, Doug, perhaps you could point us to a website that offers some positive information about Mr. Bush's military service... what's that, you say? There isn't any? Or you're too busy trying to be sarcastic to bother to actually contribute anything??? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: mg Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:27 AM I have military service and I respect anyone who did whatever they did in any regular or reserve or guard unit. I do not follow President Bush's military career and know there are some irregularities..perhaps he was a deserter of sorts. I don't know. But he put on the uniform and he learned to fly the planes and I for one will not call him a draft dodger. The positive information is he took on one of the hardest jobs in the military, at least never crashed to my knowledge, and may or may not have been prepared to fly in combat. I don't know what he would have done if he had gotten orders. I personally will give him the benefit of the doubt and if others want to share their military experience as a basis for judging his, have at it. mg |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 05:32 AM What doubt? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 05:35 AM All I did was go to google, type in "George Bush Military Record" and that's what came up. If it's not true. they should be sued for libel. Maybe this is why Bush never mentioned Clinton being a draft dodger? It's impossible to throw mud without getting some on you. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 10:57 AM Just as I predicted, my friend is no longer my friend. I dug up the truth on Bush, and rather than admit she is wrong, she walks. Who needs friends like that anyway? I just don't understand people who cling to a false belief in the face of truth to the contrary. She is loyal to the republican party, and, I am loyal to the truth. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: GUEST Date: 10 Apr 03 - 12:04 PM The word "lie" is spelled with "ie," and so is "lied." However, you substitute a "y" for the "ie" when you add "ing," so it's "lying" not "lieing" There. I feel better. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Lepus Rex Date: 10 Apr 03 - 12:19 PM (Note: Evil Drunken Fascist Republican Senator Joe McCarthy, was from Wisconsin, also home of... Wisconsin Dells and... cheese and... deer. Lovable DFL Senator Eugene McCarthy was the Senator from Minnesota. :) ) (---Lepus Rex) |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Amos Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:06 PM Quite right, Lepus. What IS a "Lepus" anyway? As far as W is concerned, the guy did what he did, and he said what he said. If they don't match up within reason, he is falsifying the facts. This is not rocket science. Lies is lies. That doesn't mean he isn't a world-class emperor. It just means he's a liar. A |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Ebbie Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:28 PM I'm sorry about your 'friend', Kendall. Danged. I find myself in the position of just staying away for now from some family- they know where I stand, and they're welcome to discuss it/me amongst themselves- but I don't want the hassle and frayed tempers. To me it's apparent they refuse to look at facts that mandate a certain conclusion; while they, I believe, would say that it's all gossip and that loyalty in their book (implying, unlike in mine)is an essential quality. (Ya can't win.) |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Troll Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:40 PM How typical. George Bush has just been instrumental in the overthrow of one of the most viscious dictators since Josef Stalin. QUICK! Lets dig up as much dirt as we can on him and post it. That'll take some of the luster off his victory and we won't look like such asses for our anti-war rhetoric. Put the focus on what he did and didn't do twenty and thirty years ago. For G-ds sake, don't let anyone focus on what he has just acomplished. No one needs to hear about how the Iraqis cheered the US and George Bush, thanking them for lifting them from 25 years of horror; horror that the UN could not stop or would not stop. No one wants to see the picture of the Iraqi man kissing George Bushs picture or pulling down Saddam Husseins statues. Please don't talk about the prison full of children that was liberated; children who were imprisoned -some as young as 9 or 10- for refusing to join Saddam Husseins version of the Hitlerjugen; some imprisoned for as long as 3 years. No one wants to hear about the torture chambers in the Iraqi prisons or read the accounts of the prisoners who survived them. None of you previous anti-Bush posters want any credit to go to George Bush for any of the good he has done in ridding the world of a monster. You would much rather find things to condemn him for. You have all become what you profess to hate; small-minded, petty, mean-spirited. May your bigotry serve you well for you have forfeited the right to respect. troll BTW, I don't care for Bush and I didn't vote for him but I am willing to give the Devil his due, which is more than any of YOU,?I> can say. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Bobert Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:46 PM Well, Ebbie, if they accept that Bush told *one lie* then the rest of Bush's administartion becomes nuthin' more than a house of cards. I believe the buzz word is "denial". Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Ebbie Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:52 PM troll, did you ever really doubt that Bush/USA could bring down the Iraqi regime? (The only wild card is whether Hussein actually had WMDs. I believe our government was pretty damn sure he didn't.) That left high tech, overwhelming superiority in numbers and a willingness to go deeply into debt to finance a war- how was Iraq to withstand that? I can be glad that Hussein is gone- but in the process, how many Hussein's have we created? In my opinion, you ain't thinkin. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM Bush didn't have much to do with it, at all and it is not a fait accompli, yet. It was our young people and their military leaders and, as Ebbie says, there really cannot have been any doubt as to the outcome. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Amos Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:18 PM Kat: Bush had a lot to do with it; it would not have occurred when it did without his high-risk political brinkmanship, which I did not support at the time. He was determined to march on Iraq from the outset and ducked and weaved determinedly to make it happen. His efforts included falsifying the picture regarding WMD and frequently changing his statement of purpose (WMD, threat to West, Al Qaeda links, liberation). As it has developed liberation is the theme that carried the freighrt so he's sticking with it mostly at present. WMD remains to be seen. So, sure, give him credit for perseverance, and making the war with Iraq happen. But Troll, the man is not a believer in truth, and I reckon we oughta own up to that side of his ... unusual personality as well. A |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:34 PM We should all be glad the bastard is gone; but, I believe it could have been done without so many lives lost. Of course, if you don't count Iraqi lives, then there wer'nt that many. We can also be proud that , just like Mussolini in 1936, we have kicked the shit out of a paper army. You will recall that Mussolini invaded Ethiopia to "Restore the glory of Rome". Tanks and cannons and machine guns against spears and arrows. Sure most of his lies were back a few years (not all) but, my point is, if daddy hadn't had his record washed, he would not be president. If his Florida mafia hadn't been headed by his brother, he wouldn't be president. In other words, he has no right to that office, so, in my opinion, anything he does is illegal. This "war" is both unnecessary and illegal. And, he just set the stage for more Bin Ladens. Anyone who thinks this is going to stop terrorism is silly. The Jews and Arabs know that first hand. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:38 PM Folks, please, this is not about Clinton, or what Gore or Nader MIGHT have done, it is about Bush, the liar, the drunk, the druggie, the phoney draft dodger. Comparing him to Clinton is silly, as if it somehow excuses him. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: DougR Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:55 PM Kendall: if ALL of those stories printed by smut media and advertising houses (seeking peacnic clients obviously)were true, The New York Times and the Washington Post would be on them like flies on you know what! I would remind you, kat, as Amos did, that GWB is Commander in Chief of the Armed forces. The war would not have taken place had he not given the go-ahead. Saddam would still be there were it not for George W. Bush and Tony Blair. Ebbie: Seems the Marines may have made an interesting discovery. You might want to hold off on predicting they will find no WMDs. It might jump up and bite you in the you-know-what. Peg: what do you mean TRYING to be sarcastic? DougR DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 10 Apr 03 - 03:09 PM Well, I was thinking of the literal invasion...I should have clarified it. He did stay back and pull all kinds of stunts to get his way, I'll give you that. Dredging up older facts is something of a GOP tactic, Doug, I'd think you'd be proud of the rest of us adopting such tactics. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Troll Date: 10 Apr 03 - 05:31 PM These facts have been available on the internet for several years. The only reason to bring them up at the present time is that the liberals cannotSTAND the idea that George Bush was successful at ANYTHING let alone a war that they all opposed sovehemently. Thousands of American servicemen will come home in bodybags was just one of the predictions. It will be a house-to-house fight with thousands of casualties on both sides was another. The US can't win a war, was another. Now that all these things have been proven false, the only thing left is to attack Bushs past; to try to somehow negate what he has accomplished by by saying "Look how horrible he WAS". That dog won't hunt. Kendall, just how do you think it could have been done without so many lives lost. And yes, I DO count Iraqi lives. They are, after all, human beings. That's one of the reasons we went in; so that those human beings might have a chance at the freedom that so many Americans take for granted. So how would you have done it? Please don't bring up the UN, who did nothing for twelve long years. Ebbie, you are the one who isn't thinking. Just how will our overthrowing Saddam Hussein create more Saddam Husseins? Remember, he was the dictator of a country. How is this going to create more dictators? As far as Saddam Husseins forces being a "paper Army" Kendall, why don't you look up the numbers -what he had versus what we broght- and get back to me. Besides his army, the Iraqi people were supposed to rise up and fight as well. After all, we saw them on T>V>, shouting "Death to Bush" and "We Love Saddam Hussein" didn't we? I say again; everything you are posting is sour grapes. Bush and his cabinet and his generals came up with a plan, put it into execution, made minor changes where necessary, and came home a winner. The world now knows that America has a President who will do what he says on the international stage. The Arab states respect strength, it's about the only thing they DO respect. This should set the stage for doing something about the Israeli/Palestinian Arab problem> And where is Kim Jong-Il. Where is the dictator of North Korea with his grandiose pronouncments and his insults? He has been rather quiet of late, don't you think? Maybe he is re-thinking his position in light of the past three weeks. Maybe challenging the US isn't such a good idea after all. Finally (for this post) it seems to me that it was the liberal establishment who tried to excuse Clintons lack of any discernable moral code by saying that character and integrity weren't important; what counted were results. I guess that only applies to Democrats. troll |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Greg F. Date: 10 Apr 03 - 05:49 PM Troll, you're getting WAY ahead of yourself. Give this Glorious Victory of the world's largest and richest superpower over a second-rate third-world country a few years to stew- then we'll see how bloody wonderful the results are. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: katlaughing Date: 10 Apr 03 - 06:24 PM How glorious is it to turn the world against us and instill hatred for us among so many, thus increasing the chances for anti-American terrorism? Ya'll are counting your chickens before they've come home to roost. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Forum Lurker Date: 10 Apr 03 - 06:30 PM Troll- You said "How is this going to create more dictators?" The answer is warlordism. Just like in Afghanistan, where the removal of the Taliban allowed warlords to expand their control, it is quite possible that warlords will take over following U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, should such an event actually occur. Iraq's army was pretty much a paper tiger, given how easily and one-sidedly we defeated them; I think casualty figures put the ratio somewhere around 25 to 1. I don't understand why you think this puts us in a better position to work towards peace in Israel and Palestine; instead of looking like impartial diplomats, we'll look like empire-builders. |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: kendall Date: 10 Apr 03 - 07:38 PM Troll, my friend, the fact is, Bush has never been successful at ANYTHING except stealing the election with the help of crooked relatives and other politicians. Now, I give him credit for bringing down Saddam. I expect the Italians gave Moussolini credit for bringing down Hille Salassi (sic) in Ethipoia too.Tanks and cannons against spears and arrows, thats something to be proud of. Do you really think this is going to sstop terrorism? the other Arab states are very nervous. What? because they are convinced that we are out to destroy Islam, and you can bet your ass they will hit us again, and again. Anyway, the wicked witch is dead (they think). I had no doubt that we would win the war, but I have grave doubts about us winning the peace. However if Bush manages to win the peace, maybe he will get around to doing something about the economy that is sinking deeper and deeper into the shitter. He knows how to start a war, now he needs to learn how to deal with the economy. Remember FDR? he was elected because Hoover had no clue what to do about the depression. Bush 1 was also defeated for knowing nothing. Doug, do you think ALL of those sources are wrong? |
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush From: Greg F. Date: 10 Apr 03 - 08:47 PM Douggie doesn't need sources, Kendall- he has FOX News[sic]- and from the evidence of his posts, its more that he feels than thinks. |