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BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!

Metchosin 14 Apr 03 - 10:59 PM
Amos 14 Apr 03 - 11:06 PM
Metchosin 14 Apr 03 - 11:17 PM
Forum Lurker 15 Apr 03 - 12:19 AM
DonMeixner 15 Apr 03 - 12:52 AM
Metchosin 15 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM
open mike 15 Apr 03 - 01:31 AM
Metchosin 15 Apr 03 - 01:47 AM
Mudlark 15 Apr 03 - 02:30 AM
Ebbie 15 Apr 03 - 02:47 AM
Metchosin 15 Apr 03 - 03:06 AM
alanabit 15 Apr 03 - 08:58 AM
GUEST,Bagpuss 16 Apr 03 - 06:36 AM
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Subject: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 10:59 PM

An very interesting interview on the CBC Radio this evening with Dr. Henry Heimlich, the creator of the Heimlich Manouver. It looks as if Heimlich has found a method for treating AIDS that really works.

By infecting patients with a curable form of malaria and thereby substantially increasing T cell production in the body, Heimlich seems to have come up with a effective treatment for AIDS, borne out by some remarkable field trials.

This treatment was used in the early 1900's to cure brain syphilis with great success. The discoverer received a Nobel Prize.

Heimlich presented a paper on this at the International AIDS Conference in Vancouver, BC in 1996, but because AIDS drugs had come on the market little interest was given to his pursuit.

Now that a lot of the very expensive original AIDS drugs are proving ineffective, it is hoped that interest will be sparked in his on going field trials in China.

The drug companies must be just ill over this and are probably trying to discredit his research.

The Heimlich Institute - Malarial Therapy


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 11:06 PM

Wow -- really interesting approach!! LEt's hope it actually works reliably.

Screw the drug companies -- they are generally gouging the world at a mad rate in the first place. When it comes to lying about scientific progress in order to protect a dirty little rice bowl, I draw the line.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 11:17 PM

It seems to Amos, a trial was done Africa using two groups of children. The group that did not receive the malaria treatment had thirty five deaths within the two year period following and of the group treated with the malaria, none had died within the two year period. Probably too soon for a definitve answer, but it sure looks promising.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 12:19 AM

That's just really amazing. I wonder if it would be effective to boost the immune system of chemotherapy patients.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: DonMeixner
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 12:52 AM

I understand from the interview and others I have heard in the past that this type of treatment is unusual in the present but very common in years gone by.

It was greatly disheartening to hear that the reason this treatment hadn't been tried before when suggest at an AIDS symposium in Vancouver was because the drug regimen had just been released and the drug companies would have their profits.

But great news none the less. That along with the possible cure for diabetes just over the hill and this is a great decade that has barely begun.

Now for a cure for CP, MS, MD, and 65 Roses and I'll be a happy man indeed.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM

A possible cure for Crohn's Disease may be in the works as well and hasn't received the press that might be due. It seems that it may not be the crap that we now have in our environment that is causing the problem, but the crap that we no longer have, which may be key.

Some kinds of intestinal
worms might be your friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: open mike
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 01:31 AM

what's 65 roses?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 01:47 AM

65 Roses is Cystic Fibrosis, seems small children found this easier to pronounce for the disease that afflicts them and it stuck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Mudlark
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 02:30 AM

Very promising news, and interesting in light of all auto-immune disease (caution needed, however, as an increase in immune cells can precipitate auto-imnmune response...the base problem is sort of the reverse of AIDS.) Now the drug companies will probably fall all over themselves to come up with new, improved (and very expensive) malarial antidotes.

Re Heimlich...Eddie Izzard says the man calls it "The Me Maneuver."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 02:47 AM

Man. What a hopeful thought. Wouldn't it be a fine thing if they have come up with an approach that leads to a breakthrough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 03:06 AM

They'd be too late Mudlark, the antidote used on the form of malaria used in the treatment is cheap, has no need of improvement and has been readily available and in use for years.

And he's gone to China with his research, brilliant move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 08:58 AM

Yes, double good news if it really works. One is already very pleased if a cure is found to an illness, but if it buggers the drug companies - well - it really is a good day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 06:36 AM

From what little I have read, this work seems very contraversial and I'm not sure if all of that is pressure from the drug companies. Heimlich has been working on malariotherapy since the early 80's as a possible treatment for cancer, AIDS and Lyme Disease, but I have never read anything more promising than small studies with indications that it may be promising, rather than full scale trials.

There is an awful lot of medical research that gets to the 'promising' stage and is blasted around the media as the next big thing, but unfortunately fails to get the confirming evidence as research progresses. So I won't be getting any hopes up about this one just yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 07:17 AM

That's some great info and I too hope it comes to fruition!!!!

And I second the Eddie Izzard comment....He does a really cute bit about Heimlich inventing "the maneuver."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 07:47 AM

He's got a sense of humor, too.

There is debate, however, about using the Manuver instead of CPR on drowning victims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 11:14 AM

Hopeful news, for sure. Thanks, Mets!

Don, what have you heard about cures for diabetes? I've missed whatever it was?

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: JenEllen
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 12:42 PM

Just for a chuckle, and audio piece of Izzard's "Maneuver" can be found HERE   Under Comedy, Dress to Kill, and Audio clips (the site URL never changed as I browsed)

Frying pan to the head, knee to the groin, hoocha-hoocha-hoocha,
~JE


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 01:11 PM

It seems that, apart from the controversiality of the treatment itself, there is heavy critcism of Dr. Heimlich for his human experimentation. Other investigators, from UCLA, who helped him, have been reprimanded by UCLA, and UCLA has demanded that all reference to UCLA be removed from the documentation and reports of the research.

Frankly, I think this criticism arises largely from two background causes, which are not easily distinguished sometimes:
1. The semi-instinctive opposition that always seems to arise among the medical fraternity when something comes along that threatens to change paradigms; and
2. The pharmaceutical industry and doctors whose livings and ways of operation are tied to the administration of drugs, who react negatively when a new development seems to threaten not only their world-view but their finances.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 01:40 PM

I think you nailed it, Dave!

JenEllen, thanks for the link!! I've listened to them all, now! Hysterical!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 02:15 PM

Thanks to you JE!!!! My favorite "Executive Transvestite" and "Action Transvestite" as well. He does great stand-up but I wish they had taped a performance of "Lenny."   HBO shows the one special every now and then and I watch it every time....Great stream of consciousness mind.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: DonMeixner
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 02:23 PM

Kat ,

Islet transplantation from donors has lessened the impact of diabetes in some and reversed it in others. I believe it is an out growth of "T" cell research and much of this work has been done in faraway Canada. Apparently once emplanted the islet cells begin to regrow
and begin to produce insulin almost immediately. Some place I have also read that other secodary diabetec tendencies are moderated and in some cases reverse aswell. Most notable in the area of vision.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: JenEllen
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 02:35 PM

Yerwelcome, kat and Spaw. The guy floors me, and Mudlark sparked it with memories of "I call it the ME man-ooo-vah".

We weren't expecting such a run on cake...
...so my only other choice is "Or Death"?...
~JE


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 03:57 PM

Don, thank you, very much. I'll have to tell my neice as she's been diabetic since quite young.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 05:03 PM

I just want to put babies on spikes!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: Bagpuss
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 06:01 AM

And don't forget the cats are all drilling behind the sofa...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!!
From: JenEllen
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:03 AM

Courtesy of my pet grad student:
"Honey, wake up, I've invented a mah-noooo-vah"
"What are you now? A tank commander?"


puduh-puduh-puduh-CIAO,
~JE


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