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Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes

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FRONT ROW COWBOY
SALLY, MY DEAR


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Lyr Add: More verses to Sally, My Dear (2)


Bearheart 16 Apr 03 - 09:29 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 16 Apr 03 - 09:48 PM
Stewie 16 Apr 03 - 10:10 PM
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JudeL 17 Apr 03 - 02:54 AM
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GUEST,rob wright 17 Apr 03 - 04:04 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Bearheart
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 09:29 PM

Tried the Dt/Forum.No luck. several references but no words. Niamh Parsons did it recently, but I think Maddy Prior and Tim Hart also did a version on Folksongs of England (not sure which vol.). No longer have access to that album...
Thanks

Bekki


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKBIRDS AND THRUSHES
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 09:48 PM

From Lesley Nelson's Contemplator site: http://www.contemplator.com/folk/blackbrd.html

BLACKBIRDS AND THRUSHES

As I was a-walking for my recreation,
A down by the gardens I silently stray'd,
I heard a fair maid making great lamentation,
Crying, Jimmy will be slain in the wars I'm afraid.

The blackbirds and thrushes sang in the green bushes;
The wood doves and larks seem'd to mourn for the maid;
And this song that she sang was concerning her lover;
O Jimmy will be slain in the wars I'm afraid.

Her cheeks blushed like roses, her arms full of posies,
She stray'd in the meadows and, weeping, she said:
My heart it is aching, my poor heart is breaking,
For Jimmy will be slain in the wars I'm afraid.

When Jimmy returned with his heart full of burning,
He found his dear Nancy all dead in her grave
He cried: I'm forsaken, my poor heart is breaking,
O would that I never had left this fair maid!


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKBIRDS AND THRUSHES
From: Stewie
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 10:10 PM

The better-known song of this title goes as follows - I am surprised it is not in the DT already:

BLACKBIRDS AND THRUSHES

If all the young ladies were blackbirds and thrushes
If all the young ladies were blackbirds and thrushes
Then all the young would go beating the bushes
Rye fol de dol diddle dol diddle dol day

If all the young ladies were ducks on the water (x2)
Then all the young men would go swimming in after
Rye fol de dol diddle dol diddle dol day

If all the young ladies were rushes a-growing (x2)
Then all the young men would get scythes and go mowing
Rye fol de dol diddle dol diddle dol day

If the ladies were all trout and salmon so lovely (x2)
Then divil the man would go fishing on Friday
Rye fol de dol diddle dol diddle dol day

If all the young ladies were hares on the mountain (x2)
Then men with their hounds would be out without counting
Rye fol de dol diddle dol diddle dol day

Source: transcription in booklet accompanying Niamh Parsons 'Blackbirds and Thrushes' Green Linnet GLCD 1197.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Stewie
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 10:35 PM

Archie Fisher has a different lyric on his 'Will Ye Gang Love' album, closer to 'Hares on the Mountain' which may be found in the DT.

Also see Randolph/Legman 'Blow the Candle Out'. #236 'Roll Your Leg Over' gives dozens of offerings like:

If all the young ladies were bells in the tower
And I were a sexton, I'd bang on the hour

See also Utah Phillips' use of the idea in his 'Rock, Salt and Nails' which is in the DT.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: JudeL
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 02:54 AM

there's another verse I've heard something about :
"and if all the young ladies were singing this song,
It'd be 5 times as dirty and 10 times as long"

(I think I probably have the numbers wrong, but you get the gist)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Stewie
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 03:08 AM

Jude, Legman gives the following (collected from a skier):

If all the young ladies were far better skiers
And better beer-drinkers and less constant pee-ers
If all the young ladies were singin' this song
It would be twice as dirty and ten times as long

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: GUEST,rob wright
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:04 AM

Taggart and Wright do an excellent version of it. Thats two women with a bit of attitude putting a different slant on the song. Visit their website www.sky-web.net/taggartandwright/ for information where you can see them.
Hecklers beware their Roadie is a World Champion Powerlifter (twice).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:28 AM

Number 329 in the Roud Folk Song Index. Sometimes considered to be an offshoot of The Two Magicians (Child 44), but this is doubtful. See also:

Sally My Dear. DT. No source is named for the text; the tune was noted by Cecil Sharp.

More verses to Sally, My Dear. Discussion with two further, unprovenanced texts.

Hares on the Mountain. DT. Source not identified; appears to be the set noted by Cecil Sharp from Louie Hooper and Lucy White, Hambridge, Somerset, 1903, with an additional verse tacked on at the end from somewhere or other.

Did Niamh Parsons mention where she got her set?

The text George found at Lesley Nelson's site (see above) is not related to this one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Bearheart
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:50 AM

Thanks everybody. Stewie's version was the one I was looking for. None of my usual sources on line had it. I think the Maddy Prior/ Tim Hart version was called Hares on the Mountain, though it's been so long I can't remember details.

Surprised that the DT version didn't come up when I checked but I will compare it to the Parsons one.

Bekki


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Rog Peek
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 02:16 PM

I'm not sure if this is the same song, perhaps someone could enlighten me. These verses I remember from Brunel University folk club in 1966/67, where it was a favourite.

The folk club was held in the refectory at the Acton site, the last year at this site before the move to new buildings in Uxbridge.

If all the young ladies were ducks on the water
If all the young ladies were ducks on the water
The men would turn drakes and follow them after
Sing, wak fol the day, wak fol the day, wak fol the day.

If all the young ladies were bricks in a pile
If all the young ladies were bricks in a pile
The men would turn masons and lay them in style
Sing, wak fol the day, wak fol the day, wak fol the day.

If all the young ladies were bells in a tower
If all the young ladies were bells in a tower
The men would turn sexton and bang them each hour
Sing, wak fol the day, wak fol the day, wak fol the day.

Rog


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Subject: Lyr Add: HARES ON THE MOUNTAIN / BLACKBIRDS AND...
From: Roberto
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 02:31 PM

Six recordings of Hares On The Mountain / Blackbirds and Thrushes / O Sally My Dear

Blackbirds and Thrushes
Dickie Lashbrook, on Songs of Seduction, A ribald collection of love songs, ballads and melodies recorded at pubs, firesides and campfires, Folk Songs of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales, The Alan Lomax Collection, Rounder 11661-1778-2, recorded between 1950 and 1956.

If maidens could sing like blackbirds and thrushes
If maidens could sing like blackbirds and thrushes
How many young men would hide in the bushes
Sing: Fal-de-ral, tal-de-ral, fal-ral-lal-day

If maidens could run like hares on the commons
If maidens could run like hares on the commons
How many young men would take horse and ride hunting
Sing: Fal-de-ral, tal-de-ral, fal-ral-lal-day

If maidens could swim like fish in the water
If maidens could swim like fish in the water
How many young men would undress and dive after
Sing: Fal-de-ral, tal-de-ral, fal-ral-lal-day

***

O Sally My Dear
Ewan MacColl, on Ewan MacColl – Isla Cameron, English and Scottish Love Songs, Riverside RLP 12-656. Found by Sharp, at Bridgewater, Somerset.

O Sally, my dear, but I wish I could woo you
O Sally, my dear, but I wish I could woo you
Then try if you can but don't let dan-do-you
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

O Sally, my dear, but your mouth I could kiss it
O Sally, my dear, but your mouth I could kiss it
Then try if you can, love, but try not to miss it
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

O Sally, my dear, but I wish I could bed you
O Sally, my dear, but I wish I could bed you
Then try if you can but don't say I misled you
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

If lasses were blackbirds and lasses were thrushes
If lasses were blackbirds and lasses were thrushes
How all the young men would go beat in their bushes
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

If lasses were hares and they ran on the mountain
If lasses were hares and they ran on the mountain
How all the young men they would soon ride a-huntin'
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

If lasses were ducks and they swam in the water
If lasses were ducks and they swam in the water
How all the young men would strip and swim after
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day

If lasses were lambs and they lay on the common
If lasses were lambs and they lay on the common
How all the young men they would lie longside o' them
Sing fal-the-diddle-i-do, Sing whack fol-the-diddle-day


***

Hares on the Mountain
Shirley Collins, Sweet England, Topic TSCD815, first released in 1959. From Cecil Sharp's Folksongs from Somerset.

If all you young men were hares on the mountain
How many young girls would take guns and go hunting?
With a right-fol-de dee kel-al de day right fol-i-dee

If the young men could sing like blackbirds and thrushes
How many young girls would go beating the bushes?
With a right-fol-de dee kel-al de day right fol-i-dee

If all you young men were rushes a-growin'
How many young girls would take scythes and go mowing?
With a right-fol-de dee kel-al de day right fol-i-dee

If all you young men were ducks in the water
How many young girls would undress and dive after?
With a right-fol-de dee kel-al de day right fol-i-dee

But the young men are given to frisking and fooling
I'll leave them alone and attend to my schooling
With a right-fol-de dee kel-al de day right fol-i-dee

***

Hares on the Mountain
Shirley Collins, on Shirley Collins and Davy Graham, Folk Roots, New Routes, Topic TSCD819, first released in 1964.

O Sally my dear, it's you I'd be kissin'
O Sally my dear, it's you I'd be kissin'
She smiled and replied: You don't know what you're missin'!

O Sally my dear, I wish I could bed you
O Sally my dear, I wish I could bed you
She smiled and replied: Then you'd say I misled you!

If all you young men were hares on the mountain
If all you young men were hares on the mountain
How many young girls would take guns and go hunting?

If the young men could sing like blackbirds and thrushes
If the young men could sing like blackbirds and thrushes
How many young girls would go beating the bushes?

If all you young men were fish in the water
If all you young men were fish in the water
How many young girls would undress and dive after?

But the young men are given to frisking and fooling
O, the young men are given to frisking and fooling
So I'll leave them alone and attend to my schooling


***

Hares on the Mountain
Frankie Armstrong, Till the grass o'ergrew the corn, Fellside FECD116, 1996. Sharp noted it in 1904 from Mrs Lock of Muchelney Ham, Somerset. Frankie has added a couple of standard verses to the existing three.

If all those young men were rushes a-growin'
Then all those pretty maidens would get scythes, go mowing
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee

If all those young men were hares on the mountain
Then all those pretty maidens would get guns, go hunting
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee

If all those young men were duck in the water
Then all those pretty maidens would soon follow after
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee

If all those young men were fish in the brooks-O
Then all those pretty maidens would be off with their hooks-O
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee

If all those young men were blackbirds and thrushes
Then all those pretty maidens would soon beat the bushes
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee
Sing wack fol-de-dee fol-ol-de-day wack-fol-li-dee


***

Hares on the Mountain
Steeleye Span, Parcel of Rogues, Shanachie 79045, 1987, first released Chrysalis CHR 1046 (LP, UK, April 1973)

Young women, they run like hares on the mountain
Young women, they run like hares on the mountain
And if I was a young man, I'd soon go a-hunting
To me right fol-de diddle de-ro Right fol-de diddle-day

Young women, they sing like birds in the bushes
Young women, they sing like birds in the bushes
If I was a young man I'd go beat them bushes
To me right fol-de diddle de-ro Right fol-de diddle-day

Young women, they swim like ducks in the water
Young women, they swim like ducks in the water
If I was a young man I'd soon go swim after
To me right fol-de diddle de-ro Right fol-de diddle-day

Young women, they run like hares on the mountain
Young women, they run like hares on the mountain
And if I was a young man, I'd soon go a-hunting
To me right fol-de diddle de-ro Right fol-de diddle-day


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 03:51 PM

My favorite last verse is:

Oh,Sally my dear, 'tis the season for mating (2X)
She laughed and replied
Why then are you waiting


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Genie
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 06:13 PM

On my Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor album, they sing the "trout and salmon" verse to "Hares On The Mountain" this way:

If the girls were all trout and salmon so lightly (x2),
Then divil a man would eat meat on a Friday.
Sing wack-falla-diddle-i-doh, sing wack-falla-day.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 07:30 PM

Those lines about "fooling/schooling" were written by Cecil Sharp so kids wouldn't get the wrong idea!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 21 May 10 - 05:53 PM

Here's a version I heard sung live (once) and loved it so much I remembered the first verse (but not the second):

If all the young ladies were blackbirds and thrushes,
    Sing clearly, sing clearly, oh fly not from me;
Not a thrush would I part with for ten golden guineas,
Nor barter a blackbird for a pearl of the sea.
I would love them so dearly,
So late and so early,
And ah, they'd sing clearly
At dawn, eve and day.

Would love to hear from anyone who knows this version, to get the complete lyrics. (rfdarsie@gmail.com)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 May 10 - 08:54 AM

From the song 'Pleasant and Delightful'

...when the blackbirds and thrushes
sang on every green tree.
And the larks they sang melodious
at the dawning of the day.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Blackbirds and Thrushes
From: Joe_F
Date: 22 May 10 - 06:12 PM

The same birds are found in Utah Phillips's "Rocksalt and Nails".


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