Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:56 AM

Well, I'm a card-carrying carnivore too, but I like most vegetarian dishes. When in Rome...

The trouble is, with all those veggies on the plate, the song circle/jam session soon becomes a fart-fest. Better slip the Beano into the guitar case next time.

(p.s. if they frown on my bringing beer, I don't care IF the door hits my ass on the way out)

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 03:21 AM

I love good vegitarian food! And yes, the healthy glow that halos out of vegi-eyes can be so invigorating... and those 'french intensive' greens can vitalize even the reddest neck...

However, I heard it said once, by a very congenial carnivore, That "vegitarians can be the meanest people"... Hmmmmm. Hitler was a vegitarian...

Anyway, it's all water under the bridge, really... In my profession, stamina is of the utmost importance, and meat really does help me. Salad keeps me sharp. Imagination makes it all worth while! ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:12 AM

Sorry to get technical here but this point needs making I think.
We can store carbohydrates and fats in our bodies from one day (or year) to the next. Protein is different. It cannot be stored, so any we eat over and above our daily requirement is actually a problem for our body. The liver converts the excess amino acids to urea which is excreted by the kidneys. To put it briefly, most of the steak goes down the toilet!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 07:05 AM

Meat is usually silent and I'm not sure why. Maybe that pork is giving me the cold shoulder. In any case, welcome, Sparrow/Tulip.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 08:14 AM

Was Hitler a vegetarian? I read that he took a vegetarian diet from time to time to alleviate health problems. I have heard claims and counter claims about this one. I wonder who knows?
I don't want to get too precious about this. Hitler was also short and spoke German badly (true of myself too). Even if he does turn out to have ben a veggie, I like to think there are differences between us as well as similarities!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 08:54 AM

As far as I'm concerned the limits on individual choice should be where it stops being something that is their choice and it removes choice from others. If someone chooses not to eat certain types of food it seems to me that is up to them provided they don't try to impose their choices on others.

And now back to the music, this seemed apt:

THE POTATO SONG   by Brian Bedford
How could you do it , it's heartless it's cruel,
It's murder, coldblooded ,it's gross.
To slay a poor vegetable just for your stew,
Or to serve with some cheese sauce on toast.
Have you no decency. Have you no shame.
Have you no conscience you cad.
To rip that poor vegetable out of the earth,
Away from it's poor mum and dad.

Chorus
Oh no don't slay that potato, let us be merciful please.
Don't boil it or fry it, or even freeze dry it,
Don't dice it or flake it, for gods sake don't bake it,
Don't shed the poor blood of that poor helpless spud,
It's the worst kind of thing you can do.
Oh no don't slay that potato , what never done nothing to you.

Why not try picking on something your size,
Instead of some carrot or bean,
The peas are all trembling there in their pods,
Just because you're so vicious and mean,
How would you like to be grabbed by your hair,
and be ruthlessly yanked from your bed,
and have done to you god knows what horrible things,
to be eaten with full fibre bread.
Chorus

It's no bed of roses this vegetable life,
you're basically stuck in the mud.
You don't get around much, you don't see the sights,
If you're carrot or celery or spud.
You're helpless when somebody's flea bitten dog,
Takes a notion to stop for relief.
Then somebody picks you, and cleans you, and eats you,
And causes you nothing but grief
Chorus

There ought to be some way of saving our skins.
They ought to be passing the law,
Just show any body a cute little lamb,
and they all stand around and go ... Awww
Well potatoes are ugly, potatoes are plain,
We're wrinkly and bumpy to boot.
But give me a break, you mean to say,
You eat us because we're not cute.
Chorus

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:10 AM

Good song, Jude, but actually by Tom Paxton! Brian has written many good songs but he nicked that one. Long live the folk tradition.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:32 AM

Oh whoops, sorry. Was misled by having heard it on Artisan's CD and most of the songs they sing tend to be by Brian Bedford

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,tulip
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:13 AM

Oh no, the old "Hitler was a vegitarian" arguement! I think it's been proven many times that Hitler was a "Vegitable-ist" which is of course something quite different. Other "Vegitable-ists" throughout history (Caligula, King Caracticus, Margaret Thatcher, and Annie Sprinkle) have certainly had wide-ranging personalities.

But back to meta-veganism. It's a simple religion (yes, I guess I COULD call it a religion) where we worship our vegetables before partaking of them. Yesterday I found an AMAZING cauliflower that some restaurant was throwing out. I spoke to it for a few minutes...listened to it intently, then tossed it in the boiling water. As it submerged, I swear I could hear it say "Thank you Tulip". It was delicious. Oh, and last night I had an amazingly satisfying relationship with a cucumber.

Harvey Andrews? Are you the Harvey Andrews that wrote the "vegitarian anthem": "If it Breathes, spit it out!".

Tulip Nussbaum

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:19 AM

What's the tune to the Potato Song? I did a quick search but didn't find anything. I'd like a MIDI (but I won't hold my breath) but I'd settle for hearing it on a site or the guitar chords if anyone's in possession of them... Thanks if you do and are willing to share!!!

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:28 AM

It's listed as "Don't slay that potato" on Artisan's "Rocking at the End of Time" CD. I don't know if they have a soundclip on their website. Other than that if you pick a time and we can find an empty room I can sing you a few bars over paltalk.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:29 AM

Hitler's vegetarianism is a myth, a part of the public image carefully crafted by Goebbels of Hitler as an asket only living and working for the sake of his country. As alanabit says, he may have been dieting at times but nothing more. (According to biographies, Hitler's public image as not drinking, not womanising is equally wrong. The nonsmoking bit, however, seems to be correct)

One source of that myth in the English speaking world is an article from the New York Times on May, 30th, 1937:

(my retranslation): It is well known that Hitler is vegetarian, doesn't drink and smoke. His meals therefore mainly consist of soups, eggs, vegetables, and mineral water, occasionally completed by (white) sausages (a Munich specialty which is everything but vegetarian), caviar, and a slice of ham.

A kind of liberal use of the word vegetarian, I'd say.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Midchuck
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:32 AM

What's the tune to the Potato Song? I did a quick search but didn't find anything

Tom Paxton recorded it, on the One Million Lawyers album, IIRC, under the title, "Don't Slay That Potato." My wife's been learning it.

We've bought this Fostex 16-track hard disk recorder with eight million controls, that we're trying to learn to use. If I don't give up and hit it with a sledge hammer, maybe we can get the song on a CD and send to you if you can't find it elsewhere first. It won't be right away.

P.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:40 AM

suppossed to be an mp3 here

url=http://pesenki.ru/index.php?p=i2&band=paxtontom

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:46 AM

Ms. Tulip/Sparrow...was it satisfying for the cucumber, too?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:48 AM

Wow mario that is an amazing site, thank-you I've bookmarked it for future use

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 11:58 AM

Hi Sooz.

Your point about protien storage is correct, but vegetables also contain protien and an excess of vegitable derived protien would be excreted after breackdown into ammino-acids in just the same way as animal.
Meat has the advantage over vegitables in that it contains all the essential ammino-acids in one hit, to get the full range from vegetable sources you have to mix and match. Meat is also rich in fat a vital imput to an energetic and relativly short intestined species such as ours.The short intestine is a result of a bigger brain and both processes involved us in adopting a high quality diet containing 30% of callories as fat. This diet would have been imposible on vegetables alone in Africa at the time of becoming omnivours.Meat eating also led to important technological developements that fead back into increased brain size.
As to the morality of eating meat, wether you like it or not Life eats Life, and without the preditor pray relationship there would be no intelegent species on this planet. This is the way the Universe made us so were do you stand to say its wrong.

All the best PP

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 12:01 PM

think of all those poor vegetable lives that vegans slaughter! One cow dies and provides multiple humans with a meal - a vegan eats a cup of rice and slaughters hundreds of unborn little rice-lings!

the horror! woe!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 12:11 PM

Now then MMario! Use the same area of grass that supports the cow to grow a cereal crop and you can feed ten times as many people. Nice picture though, do the ricelings have cute little faces?
Pied Piper - I would not dream of imposing a vegetarian diet on everyone. As I said before I don't need meat, you are welcome to eat as you wish. However, the point needs to be made that we in the western world eat far more protein (of every sort) than we need simply because we can afford to.
I'm not sure how you define intelligence either but that must be a subject for another thread - we're already way off on this one.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:00 PM

Dear Mudcat friends,

After reading this thread, I feel compelled to offer a differing view from the prevailing one. Yes, I am an actual vegan, not a parody of one.

I find that occasionally people I've met project their beliefs, convictions and views of vegetarianism onto me. I don't know why, but some folks want to fight about it, or trip me up with their illogical arguments against vegetarianism or blame me for casting an uncomfortable shadow on their choices. Like Dylan said, that "ain't me, babe." I don't blame others for going with the flow of the culture. I am just doing what works for me.

People tend to ask the same questions when they learn I'm vegan. I would like to dispel a few of the most common myths. No, I'm not a health nut. I don't plan on living forever. I can easily exceed the government-recommended protein requirements without much effort. Combining proteins is an out-of-date theory, not in touch with contemporary science. I am certain that a well-planned vegan diet is sustainable and healthy. No, I don't eat chicken or fish. It's not that tough to find great-tasting, fun vegan things to eat. I don't have violent hatred toward fast food restaurants such as McDonald's or meatpackers or meat eaters. In fact, reduction of violence and misery is at the core of my reasons for being vegan. I do not consider my choices an indictment against anyone else's choices, but for me one of the guiding principles is a general refusal to participate fully in the destructive circle of extreme factory-style farming, ubiquitous animal by-products, cruelty and exploitation and pollution. I am not aiming for perfection. Perfection is not the point of veganism, nor is it a realistic or positive goal. I truly believe that the everyday choices we make can have a beneficial effect on the world. I am vegan because it is one small way I can promote human health, the well-being of animals and the health of the planet.
   

Arguing in a comic manner that eating plant-based diet is analogous to eating an animal-based diet is as tired and ridiculous as it is ignorant. I challenge anyone to visit a slaughterhouse/abattoir and then tell me that it is remotely akin to harvesting grain or potatoes. The difference between animal agriculture and plant agriculture is much like the difference between bludgeoning a dog with a bat and cutting the lawn. I think it would be wise for some folks to study basic biology or anatomy before they offer an opinion on this subject.

For me, being vegan is a choice that matches my beliefs, convictions and view of the world.
   
About four years ago I had a revelation that eating meat of any kind was not compatible with my feelings for animals and my knowledge of physiology. Nor could I reconcile eating meat with my environmentalist ideals. Suddenly, the connection between the heart disease epidemic and the myriad health consequences of the standard American diet were completely obvious to me. I had a series of epiphanies and I felt as if I was awakening from a long sleep. I bought books and sought out information online. As I read about contemporary animal agriculture I felt that becoming vegan was a natural extension of being vegetarian. Dairy, eggs and by-products of all kinds are inextricably linked with meat. Being vegan is the only response that makes sense for me.

Try to keep in mind that being vegan is much more than a way of eating or not eating. It is a specific way to apply one's compassion to all facets of life. When I make a compassionate choice to honor life of any form, for example choosing non-violence to solve a dispute, I am not just acting as a vegan, I am acting in accordance with the way I was raised. I take heart and harden my resolve when I meet a long-time vegetarian or read about a famous person who was a vegetarian. From Gandhi and Shaw to Albert Einstein and Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, I am in excellent company as a vegetarian.   I am glad I now enjoy the wonderful benefits of being vegan.

Sincerely,

Matthias

Subject: previous GUEST post by Matthias, sorry
From: GUEST,Matthias
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM

previous GUEST post by Matthias, sorry.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 03:37 PM

Marshal Dillon aka James Arness was a vegetarian. Some of his fellow stars mentioned it in short interviews; joking about various tofu-based dishes that would be served during the filming of Gunsmoke.

Our planet's environment would be a lot better off if the land were used to grow grains instead of cattle-grazing.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:06 PM

Soy veh!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:10 PM

And what would happen to the poor cows? We wouldn't need them anymore and they would become extinct because they would become competitors for the same plant-growing area.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:15 PM

...and our human environment would be a lot better if we stopped seeing ourselves as crucial players in the competition scheme...

Matthias, your clarity is brilliant, your intentions are sweet, and your communication skills are excellent.

Yeah, the urban myth about Hitler's diet is a queazy one... like diet had anything to do with his slaughtering ways...
ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:32 PM

I see eating meat as part of the circle of life... without getting protozoan on you (but getting scientific enough to group humans in the animal category):

Plant grows
Animal eats plant
Animal eats animal
Animal dies
Animal decomposes and provides fertilizer for plants to grow.

I don't care if someone doesn't eat meat. One of my best friends is a vegetarian. One of my brothers and one of my sisters (and her husband) are vegetarians. I was a vegetarian for 7 years. My Mom goes on and off veggie. If it is your lifestyle- bully for you! I just care if I'm subjected to moralization about how bad my choices in cuisine are.

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:43 PM

Just a reminder to folks that this thread was started AS A JOKE. Not mean't to be serious IN ANY WAY. My contributions (whether under my name or whatever) are mean't as a LIGHT HEARTED SPOOF. I was motivated 100% by a rather serious and at times depressing tone on the B.S. part of Mudcat. Too many gloom and doom, death Dubya and destruction threads. I saw the interesting and remarkably civil "Religion and Song Circles" thread, and decided to do a "ha ha" parody of it.

So puhleeeeze, Matthias, don't let the words, attitudes, AND ESPECIALLY THE JOKES (several people are playing along for the laughs) color your thoughts on Mudcat attitudes to vegitarianism.

Start a serious thread on it, and I can guarantee you that the silliness found here in this JOKE THREAD won't happen.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:46 PM

It's not safe nor good manners to laugh with a mouth full of tofu, though, RF.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 05:02 PM

Cluin.

Is that a tuber in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 06:41 PM

Ma, Rickie said the "T" w-o-r-d!!!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:37 PM

...and then my poor meatball, rolled right out the door.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:54 PM

"Very amusing turnip.... shaped almost exactly like a thingie."

Subject: What veggies grew in Sherwood?/ Onion allergy
From: Hester
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 01:41 PM

It's not just song circles. The two other local Robin Hood enthusiasts I've met are BOTH vegetarians, believe it or not.

When getting together with one particular RH friend, we've racked our brains and cookbooks to come up with -- a medieval vegetarian menu!
Strange but true. I did learn that turnips (the real white turnips, not the rutabega that my mother of Scottish descent calls turnip), although authentic to the historical period, give me gas pains.   Enjoyed a rather nice mushroom pastie, though.

Unfortunately, we even had one British archer who briefly joined our on-line Robin Hood discussion group and, though he was not even a vegetarian, threw a flying fit that some North American bowhunters belonged to our group. Gee, deer hunters interested in Robin Hood -- who would ever have expected that?

Happily, that's the only kerfuffle we've had over venison, and how it's obtained. The vegetarians in the group are neither preachy nor squeamish when I post a medieval game recipe.

But speaking of onion allergy -- is this some sort of Canadian affliction, Rick & Clinton? Coz, damn! -- I'm becoming increasingly less able to digest them as I age, unless they're cooked thoroughly, preferably in lots of butter (oh, how unhealthy!). And I've never been able to digest garlic with any predictability. I thought I was in heaven when I discovered shallots a few years ago, but now they too give me a terrible stomach ache.

I'm really not looking forward to a bland and onion-less old age! My medieval rabbit stew just wouldn't be the same without onions.

Cheers, Hester ... merry moderator of The Greenwood

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 01:59 PM

Hester. I'm not sure if this is what you wanted, but I'm gonna start a thread SOOOOOOO scary, soooooo weird, and tell about my lifelong fear of....oh Hell, it's more than a fear, it's a vendetta against onions. If I was a drinker, I'd get drunk first just to get up the courage!

I'm just thinking of a title now.........hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 02:03 PM

NOOOOooooOOOOoooooooOOOOOoooooo! Say it isn't so!

*sob* I can't believe Rick is an allium alienist! *weep,wail, knash*

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 05:19 PM

Alionionization... Allium based gastric distress... brought about by impatience at the chopping block, and the frying pan. Cook till clear.

Onions are good for you. You are not going to leave your computer untill you've eaten every last poignant chunk of raw onions that is there on your plate... yeah, but well cooked, they help remove toxins from your body, and leave that feel good feeling!.

...unless your body is already perfect, like Little's...

ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 07:26 PM

WHY I OTTA!! YOUSE GUYS IS GONNA GETTIT!!

Onion boy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Frankham
Date: 25 Apr 03 - 11:58 AM

Sooz is right.

Meat has an over abundance of protein. The body excretes it and does not retain it the way vegetables do. As a result, meat eating can leave a person with protein depletion. Cases of osteoporosis, cancer, and other diseases that are associated with meat eating countries do not exist in other countries where meat is not a staple. In order to get protein requirements, it is necessary to eat a variety of veggies.

Meat is so rich in fat that it has created a nation of obesity, heart disease, colon cancer, intestinal disorders and gall and kidney stones.

The idea that meat creates energy is fallacious. It takes more effort to digest meat products than veggies.

Many African societies are not predominantly meat eaters. There are people from so-called Third World countries who do not suffer aforementioned afflictions.

Atherosclorosis of the brain is another by-product of meat eating.

As to the morality of eating meat, the rain forest has almost disappeared in the Amazon jungle to make way for cattle production. This happened in the 1930's in the US with the advent of the Great Dust Bowl.

It would be interesting for those who talk about the virtues of meat eating to take a trip to the Chicago stockyards, then discuss morality. Or chicken processing plants in the South.

To say that meat eating has a bearing on intelligence is like saying the sun comes up because the rooster crows.

There are many vegetarians with great intelligence.

This being said, I think it is inappropriate to criticize those who eat meat in a snobbish manner. This is just plain rude and I don't like to see it. At the same time, it would be best if carnivores didn't make fun of herbavores either.

Rick, I don't blame you for feeling irritated at those who make vegetarianism a cause celebre to hang over the heads of others. It bothers me too.

But I think the facts need to be presented as well as the parodies.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 05:49 AM

Solidarity Frank! I'm with you all the way.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:52 AM

Hi Frank.
You clearly have not understood my post, maybe next time I'll use shorter words.

PP

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 07:36 AM

Missed or ignored points, missed or ignored humor: I'd like to say these are caused by a vegetarian diet, but alas, there are meat eaters involved in the Great Diet Debate. I suspect scientists will eventually isolate the food rich in sense-of-humor bolstering ingredients, and it's probably going to turn out to be the cockroach parts that accidentally get into all sorts of foodstuffs.

It may well be that certain types of vegetarian diets are the modern-day hair shirts. There are those guys who are whacking themselves with whip thingies or slicing their heads OVER THERE and saying "It Is Good," and we've got folks making pine cone pies and hay souffles and saying the same thing. There's a certain amount of social brain-washing involved: "Here, try this. I found the recipe in 'Fibre Weekly' and it's absolutely to-die-for!" Then you eat it and either lie about how much you like it or manage to convince yourself its actually yummy!

I don't personally have anything against good vegetarian dishes, just the ones that make me look to see if I'm eating my napkin.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:53 AM

Ummm, actually Frank, I can't even imagine getting angry at something as innocuous as someone touting a certain lifestyle, vegitarian or otherwise. The whole thread was a joke....didn't I say that before...several times actually.

PLEASE, will someone (preferably one of the folks taking this seriously) start a "Vegitarianism" thread. It IS a serious subject, and I'm sure a good discussion will ensue.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:44 AM

When I was vegitarian, I was sometimes nice...
More frequently all sensity, Offended once or twice
ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Marion
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 04:51 PM

Geez Rick, that was quite a dramatic story you came up with just to avoid coming over for a vegan meal.

Since Beccy asked for more smart-ass quotes about vegetarianism:

When somebody asks me why I'm veg and I feel the situation calls for sarcasm, I say, "I don't like the sight and smell of dead bodies. I'm a little funny that way." And if someone who should really know better asks where I get my protein, I just say, "What's protein?"

(When not being a smart-ass, my thoughts are similar to Matthias'.)

Marion

PS I'm a fifth level vegan: I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:37 PM

Touchy, touchy, Marion... I am from the south and I also collect redneck jokes. FYI, I started collecting "smart ass" statements about vegetarianism when I WAS a vegetarian.

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Mudlark
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 07:56 PM

Since this thread has crept all over the place I'd like to add my 2 cents worth...which is...as far as music sessions go I'm a nofoodarian. If I want to talk, I can use the telephone. If I want to eat, I can fix it myself. But when I want to play with other folks I find both talking and eating a terrible waste of music time! Living in the boonies, I often have to drive for over an hour to get to someplace for 2-3 hours of music. Much as I like the people I play with, I prefer making music with them at such times, rather than eating and endless socializing. The thot of having to drag along a covered dish of ANY ilk to such a get together, along with guitar case, dulcimer case, music, etc. doesn't thrill me either.

Now a little glass (or more) of a robust red wine, just to clear the pipes, is always welcome. A sip between songs is always salubrious.

Starved for music curmudgeoness...

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 10:56 PM

Welcome home Marion. Are you going to tell us about your adventures?

Rick

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Susan A-R
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 11:03 PM

Wow! As an omnivore who makes her living cooking largely vegetarian food (Susan's Kitchen just started doing one meat meal a week) this IS interesting. An awfully large portion of the world doesn't eat meat for a variety of reasons, costs, religion, health, whatever, and there's some mighty fine vegetarian food because of it.

So much good food (of all sorts) and so little time.

Lately I've been encountering more "Carnivore backlash" as I call it, folks being agressively MEAT than agressive vegetarians. I wonder what that's about?


Personally, I want to start the ban on mushrooms. Slimey little devils. Can't swallow 'em, can't stand 'em. I'll eat pretty much anything else though.

Oh, puts me in mind of a wonderful Julia Childs Story I heard recently. Someone came to visit Julia when she was cooking beef tongue. She asked them if they would like some, to which they replied that they would never eat something that came out of the mouth of a cow. She said, without batting an eye "shall I make you an omlette?

Rick, I cooked from some massive, wonderful vegetarian Indian cook book for about three years before I realized it was Vedic (Vadic?? who knows, I can't spell) ie. onion and garlic free. It's good stuff, but no critters.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Gurney
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:22 AM

On the thread, I always take a big pork pie to the 'plate' functions, and I buy it in a shop. It is usually the first plate empty, and the only complaint ever was for not bringing mustard. Speaking for myself, I like to know what I'm eating BEFORE I take a serving, because some of those things look as if they've been eaten once already, and I don't like to sniff them. Maybe labels?       Chris, who'll eat anything he takes, but wouldn't take a parsnip.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Marion
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:47 AM

Rick, I wrote some things about my vacation in "Germany: busking, sessions, people".

Beccy, one more I thought of: if anyone expresses disgust at seeing me eat tofu or whatever, I've been known to say: "This, from a guy who eats livers."

Marion