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DonMeixner 04 May 03 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,Q 04 May 03 - 06:06 PM
Little Hawk 04 May 03 - 11:16 AM
katlaughing 02 May 03 - 01:37 AM
The O'Meara 01 May 03 - 09:09 PM
Cluin 01 May 03 - 02:00 AM
Bearheart 30 Apr 03 - 08:58 PM
The O'Meara 30 Apr 03 - 08:52 PM
katlaughing 30 Apr 03 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,Dreaded Guest 30 Apr 03 - 07:06 PM
DonMeixner 30 Apr 03 - 07:55 AM
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DougR 30 Apr 03 - 01:42 AM
katlaughing 30 Apr 03 - 12:42 AM
GUEST,Q 30 Apr 03 - 12:28 AM
DonMeixner 29 Apr 03 - 11:41 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: DonMeixner
Date: 04 May 03 - 10:16 PM

Jeepers LH,

Even after 50 there is room for change, growth, and renewal. And a little bit of western fiction too. Glad you are enjoying it.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 04 May 03 - 06:06 PM

A big list of books here. The descriptions may lead you to some western books you might not otherwise know about. Also a source of prices on older editions for the collector. Western Books


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 03 - 11:16 AM

Well, I went to the library and got a book there...Zane Grey's "The Border Legion", and read it yesterday.

Wow! What a great story. The thing I like about Zane Grey is that his stories are morality plays in a grand setting, examining the tremendous potential for good and evil in human beings, and the struggle to lose or redeem one's soul. What could really matter more?

Beats me how I could have lived for 50 years before discovering the joys of western fiction...

It's a shame that people tend to be so cynical these days, and have so little faith in the greater purposes of life. I think it's the result of mass consumerism. People have really lost their sense of the sacred...

"For the love of a lousy buck I've watched them die" - Bob Dylan

Whether it's for gold, oil, sex or the dollar...it's in blind pursuit of those that men vainly lose their lives, and at the end of it all they die wasted and empty, but someone may still mourn for them...because of the goodness they might have done.

- LH


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From: katlaughing
Date: 02 May 03 - 01:37 AM

Well, if ya want to get into some poetry, try that of Badger Clark. We were raised on him in almost equal parts with Service, Kipling and others. Here's just the end of his Ridin':

When my earthly trail is ended
    And my final bacon curled
And the last great roundup's finished
    At the Home Ranch of the world
I don't want no harps nor haloes,
    Robes nor other dressed up things -
Let me ride the starry ranges
    On a pinto hawse with wings!


He also wrote Spanish is a lovin' tongue and, this is probably his other most well known piece, A Cowboy's Prayer (Written for Mother):

Oh Lord, I've never lived where churches grow.
            I loved creation better as it stood
       That day You finished it so long ago
            And looked upon Your work and called it good.
       I know that others find You in the light
            That's sifted down through tinted window panes,
       And yet I seem to feel You near tonight
            In this dim, quiet starlight on the plains.

       I thank You, Lord, that I am placed so well,
            That You have made my freedom so complete;
       That I'm no slave of whistle, clock or bell,
            Nor weak-eyed prisoner of wall and street,
       Just let me live my life as I've begun
            And give me work that's open to the sky;
       Make me a pardner of the wind and sun,
            And I won't ask a life that's soft or high.

       Let me be easy on the man that's down;
            Let me be square and generous with all.
       I'm careless sometimes, Lord, when I'm in town,
            But never let 'em say I'm mean or small!
       Make me as big and open as the plains,
            As honest as the hawse between my knees,
       Clean as the wind that blows behind the rains,
            Free as the hawk that circles down the breeze!

       Forgive me, Lord, if sometimes I forget.
            You know about the reasons that are hid.
       You understand the things that gall and fret;
            You know me better than my mother did.
       Just keep an eye on all that's done and said
            And right me, sometimes, when I turn aside,
       And guide me down the long, dim trail ahead
            That stretches upward toward the Great Divide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: The O'Meara
Date: 01 May 03 - 09:09 PM

He strode inter Brannigan's wavin' a gun
And swearin, declarin' red rivers 'ud run
Down Alkalai valley, and mountains o' gore
Would wash sudden death 'cross the sagebrushy floor

Then he shot a big hole inter Brannigans door!
- Bret Harte

Actually the whole poem's pretty funny, Kinda like some of Robert Services' stuff.

I reckon.

O'Meara


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From: Cluin
Date: 01 May 03 - 02:00 AM

Panama Red, Panama Red,
He'll steal your woman; then he'll rob your head
Panama Red, Panama Red,
On his white horse, Mescalito, he'll come breezin' into town
Bet your woman's up in bed with old...
Panama Red!


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Bearheart
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 08:58 PM

I read my first Zane Grey novel at age 12. My aunt Betty had a collection of about 10 of them which I inherited. Read every one I could get my hands on (from the local library) during my teen years and still find myself going back to them occasionally when I want to really get lost. Though some of his books can be a bit bigoted (I have read one or two which really annoyed me!), he often expressed an opposite opinion in another book (ie some of the Mormon cowboys in his other books --besides ROTPS--- are really exceptional people.) Likewise he was one to express a lot of respect for native people at a time when that was not done. It's usful to read his books with an eye to the times in which they were written and published. Then you can see how timeless they are. He could be very thoughtful and philosophical at times. (see Man of the Forest for instance.)Also he clearly loved Nature with a passion and could describe the places that he loved eloquently and with passion-- some times for whole pages. He often used his books to advocate for saving the wild places.
Likewise he could write some truly thrilling love scenes!(read with a 15 year old's eyes and you'll see what I mean!)Interestingly he was at the mercy to some extent of his publishers, who occasionally forced him to change his books. Though I haven't had time to check them out I know that some of the manuscripts are being reissued in the original version, and they are even more radical in theme and execution and more interesting (supposedly) than the originals.

Great thread!

Bekki


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: The O'Meara
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 08:52 PM

Before he switched to cop stories, Elmore Leonard wrote a few excellent western novels. None of them are cliched, and one in particular told the story of a fairly minor scrape, contrasted against what the sensationalist, exaggerated newspapers and dime novels of the time wrote. Good stuff.(I guess things don't change much.)
    My mother taught me to read when I was three. (Not bragging - it screwed me up horribly when I hit school.) I was four when I snuck into the attic and found 4 dusty books by Zane Grey, and 4 by Rudyard KIpling. I stumbled through them all. That set a standard that I still expect writers meet, and hooked me on western novels. Louis L'Amours' Sackett stories are pretty good, but some of his later stuff is just literary travesty. Especially the stories he wrote after he died. (Not that unusual. Elvis is still releasing new songs.)

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 07:12 PM

Another one I'd forgotten was Rex Beach.


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From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 07:06 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the best western story I ever came across. Read it years ago, though. But I believe this is the one...the Amazon description sounds right. Excellent piece of work.

The Canyon by Schaefer

I recall Little Big Man being good, too. The hundred or so pages about Custer's defeat were as good as any 'historical fiction' as I've ever come across as far as mesmerizing with words. Thomas Berger wrote that.

J. Frank Dobie was a good writer. More of a historian. 'Yaqui gold...etc' is a good book. The Longhorns. Yeah...Dobie for the 'real life' stuff.


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From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 07:55 AM

Doug,

He sure was.

Don


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From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 07:26 AM

My apologies. I see in the Prologue of Betty Zane that Zane Grey says he wrote her story using the "notebooks" of his great-grandfather, Ebenezer Zane, so that source I found on the web which said there are no papers must be wrong.

Sorry,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: DougR
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:42 AM

I remember "Zane Grey Theater," Don. Wasn't Dick Powell host of that show?

DougR


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From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:42 AM

I have no idea how accurate this is, but there is interesting info on Ebenezer Zane at this website, which claims there are no "Zane papers:" clickety. I'd be interested in knowing otherwise.

Thanks,

kat (just found my copy of Betty Zane!):-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:28 AM

Anyone know where the journals of Zane Grey's great-grandfather are? Have they been published?


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: DonMeixner
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 11:41 PM

Anyone besides me recall watching The Zane Grey Theater on television in the mid to late 50's? Kind of like Death Valley Days as I recall.
An anthology show of western stories. I don't know if it had much to do with Zane Grey beyond the title. I do recall looking forward to watching it tho.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:41 PM

Other Zane Grey books also on line are Desert Gold, Rainbow Trail, Last of the Plainsmen, The UP Trail, The Young Forester, The Redheaded Outfield and other Baseball Stories.
All of these may be found in cheap used editions except the baseball stories, which are hard to find.
Just type in "Zane Grey, Gutenberg" into Google, and the websites will come up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:28 PM

Univ. Penn. has a Gutenberg text of "Riders of the Purple Sage" on line: Riders of the Purple Sage
But get the book from the library or used book store. So many editions in both hardback and paperback were issued that it is cheap.
Books are much better in the hand than on the computer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: DonMeixner
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 08:40 PM

Riders of the Purple Sage was recently filmed by TNT for show on television. It starred Ed Harris and Amy Madigan and was just exceptional. I believe it is available on tape or DVD.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 05:04 PM

Little Hawk, "Riders of the Purple Sage" is in any self-respecting library. And when you check it out, get the sequel too--I believe the title is "The Rainbow Trail" (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Amazon.com has 288 listings for Zane Grey, and many of them have a "sample" of the book; 25 or so pages you can read to see if you like it. Just a thought...

And thanks for sending me back to my ancient paperback Westerns, it's been a while since I read them.

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Kim C
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:53 PM

Well, LH, it's like my friend Howard says, the Old West WAS depressing.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:51 PM

Yeah. I figure I'll try out "Riders of the Purple Sage" if I can find it somewhere.

Have read "Lonesome Dove". It's a superb book, but GOD is it depressing! I can do without that degree of depression.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 09:17 PM

Zane Grey's first novel, "Betty Zane" (1903), was a fictionalized historical biography of his great grandmother, partly based on journals of his great grandfather. The Spirit of the Border (1906), his second book, in part also contained fictionalized history of his family. His next book, the "Last of the Plainsmen (1908) began to set the stage for his western novels. "The Last Trail" and the "Heritage of the Desert" followed in 1909-1910.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: jimmyt
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 08:58 PM

Little Hawk, Zane Grey is from my home town, Zanesville, Ohio in southeastern Ohio, a distant relative of Ebineezer Zane, the founder of the city and one of the early Ohio Pioneers. He was a dentist and avid fisherman, which I also share in these avocations. His novel, Spirit of the Border was the first historical novel I ever read and it is set in the surrounding area of southeastern Ohio and West Virginia, which made the reading quite interesting to me when I read it at age 14. His birthplace and a museum are in the Zanesville, Ohio area.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Kim C
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 04:51 PM

Heehee! Mental Popcorn! I like that.

I must say that Lonesome Dove is my favorite Western EVER. (don't bother with the sequels)

Giac! How you doin?


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From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM

I can't remember if it goes back that far, but Tom Shakespeare's book Sky People come to mind. Tom was an Arapahoe. Rog has almost worn out his copy.


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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:50 PM

Now from the Indians point of view...


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From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:14 AM

Great thread!

Guest,Q, thanks for the info...I have not read that one. Also, that's a great story about Rhodes! I'll have to pass that one on to my dad. He'll love it.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:08 AM

Okay, thanks!


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From: DonMeixner
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 12:51 AM

LH

I suggest Lando, Sacketts Land, Galloway, The Skyliners and Sackett, The Day Breakers as he best of the Sackett stories. But since they are all good read any of them.   Fair Blows the Wind was favorite non Sackett story of mine for years.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 11:56 PM

Well, I picked up a Sackett tale by L'Amour today at the used bookstore: "The Sackett Brand" Read it this afternoon...

Pretty rousing stuff, I must say. You don't see family solidarity like that everywhere, that's for sure.

It's given me some good ideas for Frane's next adventure epic.

- LH


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From: Neighmond
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 11:44 PM

May I suggest "Lonesome Gods" by L'Amour?

It is a powerful piece of literature, not so shoot 'em up as some, but still plenty filled with action and suspence.

Chaz


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 08:23 PM

Forgot to mention, Martha Hayes "Vanished Arizona" is on the web, complete, Gutenberg.
If you like a bit of cattle history, also on the Net is "Cattle Trade in the West and Southwest," by Joseph G. McCoy, 1874: Cattle Trade


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 08:12 PM

Oh, well. At least I mentioned "Lin McLean" first.
I guess everyone has read "A Texas Cowboy, or Fifteen Years on the Hurricane Deck of a Spanish Pony," published by Charles A. Siringo in 1885. Partly "autobiographical," it has stories about events that he had heard about, and incorporated into his own life. As such, it can be considered the first cowboy western.
Written when he was not quite 30, he calls himself "an old stove up cow puncher who has spent nearly a lifetime on the great western cattle ranges."
A sketch of Siringo in the first edition of 1885 shows him leaning on a stump, in woolly chaps, a Bowie knife on his belt and a rifle in hand, wearing suit coat, vest and tie, and an Indian tipi in the background. He is shown in a frontispiece, mounted, with Bowie and pistol on a cartridge belt, similarly attired. Another frontispiece illustration shows him in the foreground, mounted, with the chuckwagon and camp cook, two punchers roping a longhorn, and a group in the background moving a herd.
In spite of not being wholly autobiographical, the story is true to life. The best edition for not too much money is the attractive 1950 production by William Sloane Assoc., NY, with illustrations by Tom Lea, an introduction by J. Frank Dobie, and facsimiles of the frontispieces from the first edition.

The Dobie Introduction talks about other early western writers, including Eugene Manlove Rhodes, mentioned above. "While riding on a horse-buying expedition, he was arrested by vigilantes for a horsethief and taken to a cow camp. .... "A well-educated man among the vigilantes took the lead in cross-examining him.
"Where were you in 1881?," he asked.
"In Canada."
"Where were you in 1880?"
"In Montana."
"Well, where were you in 1879?"
"In Oxford University."
Undoubtedly the dialogue is partly invented, but the story is true.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 07:14 PM

Smile when you say that! I mentioned Wister, way up thar, pahdnuh>;-)


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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:34 PM

What, no one has mentioned "Lin McLean" or "The Virginian," the Owen Wister classics?


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:42 PM

Thanks, Kat. I'm gonna hit the used bookstores first, and we'll see what turns up.

- LH


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From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 05:06 AM

Thanks, Lin! Holy cow, his stuff is scarce! I just had a look at www.abebooks.com and there are some pricey editions of Nobody loves a drunken Indian aka Flap, according to the booksellers' listings.

LH, you cna also find copies of the Cowboy and the Cossack at that website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:49 AM

Kat, another Huffaker book that's really good, despite the title, is Nobody Loves a Drunken Indian. I think they made that one into a movie, too, but a pretty good one. I believe it had Anthony Quinn in the starring role as Flapping Eagle. Hawk, you'll have to hit the used bookstores for Cowboy/Cossack as it's been out of print for some years.

Cluin, I think the book Shane came before the movie. And Max Brand actually did write a couple of good ones. Check out The Man on the Blue--If I remember correctly, it was pretty decent.

Don, my flight instructor and I used to argue about which was the "better" plane, the Chief or the Champ. Since he took me flying in his Champ, I didn't argue too loud. Both are great little airplanes! Don't know what year his Champ was, but my Beast was a 1946 (a year older than I am! ye gods!), which let me fly into the antique airplane meetings without anyone giving me funny looks (except about my landings!).

Most fun flight I ever had was in a kit-built Christen Eagle two-seater. Its owner and I flew every which way but right side up for nigh onto an hour, and he showed me how to do rolls... I bet there are still finger dents in the underside of his instrument panel! Too much fun. Wish my health was still good enough to do that stuff...

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:34 AM

Zane Grey and Louis L'Amour are pretty good, but my favourite western book is still Jack Schaefer's Shane. We read that one in school, Grade 5 or 6. Then we watched the movie and I remember thinking it was nice how the movie stuck pretty closely to the book. I still think it's one of the most realistic westerns I've read.

Or maybe the book was written from the screenplay?

Anyway, that Max Brand sure wrote some crappy ones. On road trips with my buddy, we listen to books on tape to kill the road hours and the worst one (next to "Learn Klingon with Michael Dorn") was a Max Brand one read by Barry Corbin. We laughed all the way to Thunder Bay.

"Who but a Harrigan and a MacTee...."

The weirdest ones to listen to on the highway are any of Anne Rice's vampire books(another shitty writer; the woman badly needs an editor with a firm hand... either that, or a paper shredder).

But there's a good scene for another Bruce MacDonald Canadian road movie:

Two singer/guitar players heading up Highway 129, north into the Big Nothing, planning on making their way to Timmins for a gig that night at Fionn MacCool's, listening to an Anne Rice book on cassette, read by Christopher Walken. They pick up a grizzled old hitchhiker (played by Kris Kristofferson) who turns out to be St. Christopher, who is quite depressed over losing his sainthood by Vatican decree. He is also dying for a turkey sub from Mr. Submarine and a vanilla capaccino from Tim Hortons. But the best they can offer him is a crunchy peanut butter sandwich, ignorant of the Saint's nut allergy......


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:53 PM

"The Cowboy and the Cossack"...right. Can't forget a title like that. I'll look for it.

Glad you're enjoying the thread, Doug. It is a welcome change of subject indeed. Whaddya think of my dachshund epic? Pretty stirring stuff, eh?

- LH


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From: DonMeixner
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:59 PM

Lin,

Totally off topic. I have a friend who owns seven aircraft and recently built a Lancair executive four place aircraft. He owns two Aeroncas, A Champ and a Chief, The Champ is the first and only small [plane I have ever been aboard and flown in. Its fusilage number # 123. That old and still flying.

Don


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From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:53 PM

I second that about Huffaker's book! Excellent!


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From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 05:41 PM

Little Hawk--

I cannot let your slur about model building go by in silence, sir! At one time, when I was learning to fly little airplanes, I built scale models of nearly every World War I and World War II taildragger ever built, and hung them proudly from my ceiling. In an eerie coincidence, I built a balsa-wood model of an Aeronca Chief, lovingly painting it blue and white, only a month or so before I bought a blue and white Chief (full scale) to fly. I owned The Beast for several years and had great fun with her. I'll admit, though, that having the real thing put the kibosh on model building. I don't think I've done one since.

And if you were to only read ONE Western novel, make it Clair Huffaker's The Cowboy and the Cossack, not your "standard" Western novel, either. Huffaker wrote some very good books, some of which were ruined as movies (e.g. "Flaming Arrow" (I think was the name) starring a young Elvis Presley as a Native American.)

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 03:18 PM

Mention of Connor brings to mind "The Preacher of Cedar Mountain," by Ernest Thompson Seton. I also remember "The Sky Pilot."


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: DougR
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 02:38 PM

Yes, kaeela, we were all saddened when the Zae Grey cabin on the Mogollion Rim burned to the ground several years ago. He wrote many of his successful novels there, and he also had a cabin on Oak Creek near Sedona, Arizona. One novel he wrote while in residence there was "The Call of the Canyon."

I like L'Amour a lot too.

I was much impressed with Will James' novels, "Smoky," "Sand" and "The Lone Cowboy."

I have a fair collection of books devoted to the West, fiction and non-fiction. I bought a book titled, "Hopalong Cassidy" by Clarence E. Mulford (because "Hoppy" was my boyhood hero in "B" western films)in a super used book store in Washington, D. C. when I lived there thirty years ago. The book could not find a publisher today. It is fill with racial slurs (aimed primarily at Mexicans) which was rather common in those days I suppose. It was published in 1910.

For a glimpse of early Arizona life (1880's) I would recommend Martha Summerhayes book, "Vanished Arizona." It is an excellent of frontier life through the eyes of a young woman who married a young second Lt. fresh out of West Point who was stationed to Arizona during most of the turbulent Indian years.

L. H.: thanks for starting this thread! A welcome change from politics.

DougR

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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 01:49 PM

Oh,m the accidental discovery of boobs!! Wow!! Resonance par excellence!! :>))

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 01:44 PM

I read "Riders of the Purple Sage" when I was 15, and that was, let me see, oh about forty years ago.

It struck me as being a powerful and atmospheric novel, the hero (was he called Lassiter?)was the archetypal western hero. It also inculcated some pretty powerful prejudices against Mormonism. I was never able to watch the Osmonds subsequently without being deeply suspicious.

I also vividly remember one passage where Lassiter unbuttons the shirt of his would be killer after wounding "him", only to discover that the assailant is actually a beautiful girl....   

Murray


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:33 AM

No, Giac, that was by I.P. Freely


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Subject: RE: BS: Zane Grey & western stories...
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:36 AM

I enjoyed reading a series of books about a man called Edge, by George C. Gilman. The main character is a man who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.


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