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Lyr Add: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland (J Hogg)

GUEST,Donal 01 May 03 - 11:03 PM
wilco 02 May 03 - 12:31 PM
MMario 02 May 03 - 12:38 PM
Alba 02 May 03 - 03:52 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 May 03 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,Donal 03 May 03 - 12:57 AM
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belfast 03 May 03 - 09:15 AM
Susanne (skw) 04 May 03 - 06:41 PM
OldPossum 26 Jan 04 - 07:18 PM
Susanne (skw) 27 Jan 04 - 07:54 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: O'DOHERTY'S FAREWELL TO SCOTLAND (J Hogg)
From: GUEST,Donal
Date: 01 May 03 - 11:03 PM

Does anyone know anything about the song below? It is by James Hogg and what I
    am wondering is whether Hogg made the whole thing up out of his own imagination
    or whether there was an actual person of that name, he is called Malcolm in 'My Folk
    Song Book's' version from the McCalman C.D.
    Either Christian name seems very unlikely for an O'Doherty as does the broad Scots
    of the 'Farewell', given that he is called an Irish knight in the text. The only knight of
    the O'Dohertys that I know of was Sir Cahir, he who was baited into attacking the
    English at Derry and consequently lost his life and the clan lands

Sir Morgan O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland.

Farewell, farewell, beggarly Scotland,
Cold and beggarly poor countrie!
If ever I cross thy border again,
The muckle deil must carry me.
There's but one tree in a' the land,
And that's the bonnie gallows tree:
The very nowte look to the south,
And wish that they had wings to flee.

Farewell, farewell, beggarly Scotland,
Brose and bannocks, crowdy and kale!
Welcome, welcome, jolly old England,
Laughing lasses and foaming ale!
'Twas when I came to merry Carlisle,
That out I laughed loud laughters three;
And if I cross the Sark again
The muckle deil maun carry me.

Farewell, farewell, beggarly Scotland,
Kiltit kimmers, wi' carroty hair,
Pipers, who beg that your honours would buy
A bawbee's worth of their famished air!
I'd rather keep Cadwaller's goats,
And feast upon toasted cheese and leeks,
Than go back again to the beggarly North,
To herd 'mang loons with bottomless breeks.

Reply to Sir Morgan O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland.

Go, get thee gone, thou dastardly loon,
Go, get thee to thine own countrie;
If ever you cross the Border again,
The muckle deil accompany thee!
There's mony a tree in fair Scotland,
And there is ane, the gallows tree,
On which we hang the Irish rogues;
A fitting place it is for thee.

Go, get thee gone, thou dastardly loon!
Too good for thee is brose and kale:--
We've lads and ladies gay in the land,
Bonnie lasses, and nut-brown ale.
When thou goest to merry Carlisle,
Welcome take thy loud laughters three;
But know that the most of our beggarly clan
Come from the Holy Land, like thee.

Go, get thee gone, thou beggarly loon,
On thee our maidens refused to smile:--
Our pipers they scorn'd to beg from thee,
A half-starved knight of the Emerald Isle.
Go rather and herd thy father's pigs,
And feed on 'tatoes and butter-milk;
But return not to the princely North,
Land of the tartan, the bonnet, and kilt.


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: wilco
Date: 02 May 03 - 12:31 PM

Donal: O'Dogherty is one of my surnames. Do you have the chords?


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: MMario
Date: 02 May 03 - 12:38 PM

or a melody?


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: Alba
Date: 02 May 03 - 03:52 PM

There is mention of a Sir Morgan O'Doherty in this site
Maybe the idea for the song came from one of these stories?
Alba:>)
http://www.bartleby.com/224/0910.html\


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 May 03 - 04:24 PM

(Sir) Morgan O'Doherty was not an historical figure, but a nom-de-plume of William McGinn, a colleague of Hogg's on Fraser's Magazine, so a connection is not unlikely.


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: GUEST,Donal
Date: 03 May 03 - 12:57 AM

Many thanks to those who replied, I think Malcolm probably
has the right idea, I'm sorry to say that neither site has any
musical notation or anything that would help with the tune.
                                                                                                    Donal.


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: GUEST,Donal
Date: 03 May 03 - 03:23 AM

It's always nice toclear up something which has been bothering you and thanks to the leads given above I think that this particular poem/song has been sorted out.
I found some poetry etc., by William Maginn at this address (which incidentally has lots of English poetry texts) http://dlib.stanford.edu:6520/text/engpo.html
go to: Early Nineteenth-Century Poetry, 1800-1835: William Maginn: Maginn: Miscellaneous writings (1855-57): The Odoherty Papers Vol. II One of the poems is "Farewell Beggarly
Scotland" so maybe Maginn wrote it under his pen-name on the occasion of his move to London and Hogg replied in kind.
                                                                                                 Don

William Maginn, born in Dean Street, Cork City, in 1793, was so learned a youth that he entered Trinity College, Dublin at the age of ten and by the age of fourteen had become the second youngest graduate ever in Great Britain and Ireland. By the time he had received his doctorate he had distinguished himself in Greek and Latin, Hebrew, Sanskrit and Syriac, as well as in a number of modern languages and Irish. He began contributing to Blackwood's magazine in Edinburgh and in 1824 moved to London.
     A writer of caustic, humorous satires his glory years came in the 1830s after his launching, with notorious bohemian Hugh Fraser, of Fraser's Magazine. Apart from his literary sketches for that magazine, he produced a ballad translation of Homer, translations of Roman comedy and what may be regarded as the first Irish short stories.
     A well-liked, highly intelligent, but somewhat harum scarum character, he found himself eventually in debtors' prison. A year's sojourn there ruined his health and he died of tuberculosis in 1842.


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Subject: RE: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
From: belfast
Date: 03 May 03 - 09:15 AM

And how's this for trivia? He was the model for Captain Shandon in Thackeray's "Pendennis".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland (J Hogg)
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 04 May 03 - 06:41 PM

The tune for this can be found on the McCalmans' recording of works by James Hogg, 'The Ettrick Shepherd' (1980 - not sure it's been made available on CD since). According to the notes, about half the tunes, including this one, were written by Ian McCalman.


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Subject: Tune Add: MORGAN O'DOHERTY'S FAREWELL TO SCOTLAND
From: OldPossum
Date: 26 Jan 04 - 07:18 PM

Susanne, I have the LP 'The Ettrick Shepherd' by the McCalmans, and I can't find any credits for Ian McCalman as the composer. The label just says (J. Hogg arr. McCalmans) on all the tracks, even those that are known to be traditional tunes. Do you have a CD version? Perhaps the notes are different for the CD. Not that I doubt your word of course! And I seem to remember from comments at their concerts that you are right - but it is nice to get the details right.

Anyway here is the tune. The McCalmans sing this as a duet, with the first verse of the 'Farewell' followed by the first verse of the 'reply' etc.

X:10
T:Sir Morgan O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland and The reply to Sir Morgan O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland
C: Ian McCalman(?)
S: The LP The Ettrick Shepherd by the McCalmans, Greenwich Village GVR 209
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:1/4=180
K:F
E | G2 E G3 | FFF E2 C |
w: Fare-well, fare-well, beg-gar-ly Scot-land,
G2 G GFE | (FE)F D2 D | FFF A2 A |
w: Cold and beg-gar-ly poor_ coun-trie! If e-ver I cross thy
GGG c2 c | Ac G3 E | F2 D C3-|
w: bor-der a-gain The muck-le deil must car-ry me.
M:9/8
C3 z3 z2 C |
w: _There's
M:6/8
D2 D F2 F | E2 E G2 G | B2 B A2 A |
w: but one tree in a' the land And that's the bon-nie
(GF)E D2 D | E2 E F2 F | G2 G c2 c |
w: gal_-lows tree The ve-ry nowte look to the south, And
A2 c (GF)E | F2 D C2 || G | G2 E G2 G |
w: wish that they_ had wings to flee. Go, get thee gone thou
FFF E2 C | G2 G G2 E | F2 E D2 D |
w: das-tard-ly loon, Go, get thee to thine own coun-trie; If
EEE F2 F | GGG c2 c | Ac G3 E | FFD C3-|
w: e-ver you cross the Bor-der a-gain, The muck-le deil ac-com-pa-ny thee!
M:9/8
C3 z3 z2 C |
w: _There's
M:6/8
DDD F2 F | E2 E G2 G | B2 B A2 A |
w: mo-ny a tree in fair Scot-land, And there is ane, the
(GF)E D2 D | E2 E F2 F | G2 G c2 c |
w: gal_-lows tree, On which we hang the I-rish rogues; A
Ac G3 E | F2 D C3-|C2 |]
w: fit-ting place it is for thee._



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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland (J Hogg)
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 27 Jan 04 - 07:54 PM

Possum, I used to have a commercial tape of the album with a fairly extensive inlay. Unfortunately I can't find it any more, and the McCalmans website doesn't feature the song yet. I'll ask them the next time they come my way!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: O'Doherty's Farewell to Scotland (J Hogg)
From: GUEST,Dennistoun Denizen
Date: 13 Dec 11 - 06:47 PM

William Maginn, aka Sir Morgan O'Doherty, was a colleague of James Hogg when they worked together on Fraser's magazine. So they probably collaborated to produce this brilliant wee piece of flyting.


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