Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?

Subject: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 May 03 - 06:24 AM

Did anyone see this.

Eliza sang 'Willow Tree' with full big band backing - I thought it was the best thing I have seen on the show.

They even had a Morris side, a Green Man and crowned Eliza - Queen of the May!

Or was it just dream?

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,JohnJ...not a guest!
Date: 04 May 03 - 06:38 AM

I knew it was on but a previous engagement (wife's birthday) meant I couldn't watch it. Oh, and I haven't a clue how to operate the video recorder.

I'm pleased you enjoyed it, and just a little jealous!

John

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 04 May 03 - 07:02 AM

Eliza was brilliant...flung herself wholeheartedly into the show and took a key role in the jam at the end. There couldn't have been a finer representative of the folk scene and it was wonderful not to have her spot relegated to a little corner slot as a token folk act. Her music was an integral part of the show just as the ska, soul and rock was.

The morris side were the exhuberant and agile Dog Rose Morris...nice to see a young side.

Eliza went down a storm and I was very proud of her!

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Shonagh
Date: 04 May 03 - 07:28 AM

I didnt see it all, but what i saw was fantastic!

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Yvonne
Date: 04 May 03 - 07:32 AM

Join you on that one , Harry.
At first I thought she was going to be left to the end and just play the show out with the Morris side. She was indeed wonderful. Completely heart lifting to see young people carrying the tradition. Just sorry I didn't record it.

Diz

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,Old Git
Date: 04 May 03 - 07:50 AM

Pity Eliza and the other fiddle accompanying the morris were out of tune with each other. Also Eliza's solo in the jam at the end was a bit out of place. Nice to see a morris side young enough to actually get their feet off the ground though.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Yvonne
Date: 04 May 03 - 09:30 AM

You must have a better ear than me for music, Old Git. I didn't notice--but as I don't play an instrument-- perhaps I wouldn't. Fiddle sounded just great to me :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 May 03 - 11:50 AM

Pity Eliza and the other fiddle accompanying the morris were out of tune with each other.

Well if they were, the result was most pleasing to my ear. Possibly a matter of taste. If they had been two or even more 'squeezy boxes' instead - they would most probably be in tune with one another, but I would have liked the resulting sound a lot less.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: MARINER
Date: 04 May 03 - 12:24 PM

Eliza was brilliant! Willow Tree, with the band was lovely but would have sounded lovely anyway, even if she sang it alone. I did however, think the Morris Men were fairly ordinary and the dance basic and uninteresting. Even though I come from a big mumming area I'm far from an expert but I'm sure I've seen better and more intricate Morris Men than that troup. I enjoyed Prince Buster too, but thought his choice of song for the second slot was "iffey"!

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Fran
Date: 04 May 03 - 12:25 PM

I saw it and video taped it, great stuff:-)

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 May 03 - 02:23 AM

The verdict appears to be largely favourable then?

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 06 May 03 - 04:39 AM

An interesting aside.
The intro music for the show, and the theme for Suggs's song was a variant on the Seven Joys of Mary, as adapted for the Whitstable Mayday Jack in the Green procession. I wonder who had that idea?
But, I'm in total agreement with the above comments. It was with real relief to me that Eliza's contribution was treated with equal respect as Blur et al.
I had dreadful forebodings before I saw the show.
If you want to pass on your comments, try E Mailing Alison Howe (The shows producer) at the Beeb, and maybe this could be the start of something.
Trebles all round!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 03 - 05:22 AM

I saw it as well and it was striking how enthusiatically Eliza & co. were received by the audience, many of whom have probably not heard anything like it for years (if ever!). E has probably done more to sweep away the old-fogie image of folk than anyone else in recent years. Well done!

<tongue-in-cheek>
Mind you, I must object to the non-traditional arrangements of the "Willow Tree". These Dylanesque traits will wreck traditional music ....
</tongue-in-cheek>

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 May 03 - 05:45 AM

....I'm off to watch it on video right away........

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 06 May 03 - 03:20 PM

And wasn't it Eliza singing the ballad about Molineux and Cribb on the episode of 'Georgian Underworld' which dealt with bare-knuckle boxing last Thursday?

All the best...........Harry.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: C-flat
Date: 06 May 03 - 03:35 PM

I tuned in at the end of the show and did a double-take before I realised who it was! On Jools Hollands show?
I thought even the little I saw was great and, no doubt,will have opened a few "new" ears to the genre.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 06 May 03 - 08:24 PM

Just to re-iterate...
E Mail your appreciation to [e-mail]
And maybe, Just maybe, we might get more of the same!!
As I've said in many other threads, the Media thrive on reaction to their programmes, (Well the positive bits anyway!)
So, Fire off your plaudits, and the few of us struggling to get our music on the airwaves from within (so to speak), will have more of a chance to (As Greg Dyke keeps on saying) "Make It Happen"!!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: mooman
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:28 AM

I unfortunately didn't see it and, living in Belgium, might never get to but it sounds like Eliza did a sterling job and all power to her!

I remember Jools has also has some other artists like Sharon Shannon, Christy Moore and the Carthys/Watersons on his show in recent years so things are hopefully looking up!

moo

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:55 AM

Mr Moo....Long time no speak!!
Yes indeed, Unlike a lot of people in the Media, Jools makes no restrictions on who he books for his show. Obviously he steers more towards Rock/Pop/Blues to get the number of viewers that he gets. But, at least when he does do something (eg the Eliza/Morris bit that we are talking about here) Its not done in a patronising way. Every act on the show gets the same treatment, and is treated with respect.
I think that instead of ghettoising "Trad" music into its own specialist slots (TV or Radio), The best way to get people to hear our music is to include it in the mainstream.
I could go on here, but I won't!!

Regards and have a good Summer

Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:04 AM

There will perhaps be another Spring/May edition of this show? If so perhaps some suggestions/requests for this could be made to :

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:22 AM

Just to expand this a bit..If thats OK with you?!
Heres a list of people who are sympathetic/actively enjoy! "Our" type of music on the Beeb....(Radio)
Radio 1
John Peel
Er.....thats it!!

Radio 2
Bob Harris, Johnnie Walker, Mike Harding (obviously!), Simon Mayo, Ken Bruce, Stuart Maconie, Alex Lester, and probably others who are still in the closet!!

Radio 3
Kershaw (again, obvious) Verity and Fiona (Late Junction) Lucy Duran,
Ian Skelly (announcer) Sean Rafferty. and probably more.

Considering the constraints of running A Huge Broadcasting organisation, I, personally, don't think that the Beeb does that badly.
Try listening (in London) to Capital Radio, or Heart FM, and count the number of times you will hear Carthy/ Gaughan/Tabor etc, etc.
Yes, we'd all like more..and no harm done in trying. But it could be a lot worse!

Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Beardy
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:22 AM

If you are around London (about 25 mile radius) try 94.9fm Radio London. A very eclectic range of music. Noon to 3pm Robert Elms show especially recommended.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:25 AM

Beardy..
Good point, and for other listeners around the country, there are various Local Radio shows happening, Derby, Shropshire, a New one coming up in Manchester....and probably loads more..Listen and contribute...
Off to the day job now
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,robin in Bellingham
Date: 07 May 03 - 12:41 PM

re: Solo at the end... On the unofficial Eliza Carthy page, I believe she kindly requested everyone to turn off the telly before the last solo, as she 'completely froze.' ...
   Hearing about it makes me wish I 1) had a TV and 2) lived where BBCs are broadcast. thanks to all for the tibbits about what was on!

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,Liz in Linlithgow, West Lothian
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:57 PM

I too saw Eliza on Jools Holland and thought she was great. I feel sorry for all you guys who can't get Scottish radio programmes. Radio Scotland's Travelling Folk gives us all a good mention when required which helps all of us who organise Folk Festivals and similar events as well as keeping us up to date with the Scottish folk scene.
Regards
Liz

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:38 AM

While travelling near Loch Lomond last month I heard Travelling Folk and wish we had something like it in England. Also Bebop to Hiphop seems an interesting title.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,Santa at work
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:32 AM

No, I didn't see it. I'm rather surprised by the comments re Jools Holland and lack of patronising comments. I watched the broadcasts he did from the Cambridge Folk Festival and concluded that he had little interest in folk music and was determined to give the viewer boogie-woogie, whatever the supposed subject of the programme.

Ah well, all things in life change, good for him.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,Bold Reynard
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:41 AM

You can listen to many of the BBC's programs over the internet. A quick look at their page got me this address for Travelling Folk:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/radioscotland/programmes/other/travelling_folk.shtml

If you have a Real Audio player, you should be able to listen to the program, as I sometimes do in America.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 08 May 03 - 10:43 AM

hey Ralphie you missed mark radcliffe off your list or dont you count the Family Mahone stuff as music???

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 08 May 03 - 12:05 PM

The rugby club at Upton on Severn folk festival was full of singers and musicians having a loud sesh. The TV was on and suddenly someone shouted for us all to be quiet. Were we dreaming? No, it really was Eliza etc. We all watched in disbelief and a great roar went up at the end of the performance.

Sal

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,eliza C
Date: 11 May 03 - 01:14 PM

Hiya
thanks all. Ralphie-it was Suggs' and Jools' idea to do the Whitstable song. Had a brief chat to Suggs about it, and he was bashful and sweet, and seemed to have his head right screwed on about it. He said "I saw this old folk song and thought I would do a different arrangement to it"...which he seemed to think would be frowned upon.
Bless!
ec x

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 11 May 03 - 01:25 PM

Bless indeed, Eliza....incidentally, Terry Wogan played Sandy Denny's 'Fotheringay' on Friday morning....what is the world coming to?

All the best.............Harry.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 11 May 03 - 02:40 PM

Thank you Bold Reynard. most appreciated.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Maurice Mann
Date: 11 May 03 - 03:12 PM

Dog Rose are NOT ordinary. As Eliza said on the show, they are young and pretty (and very good).Watch them at a morris spot and see all the women's tongues hanging out. We could do with a lot more like them to change the idea that morris is about old men with beards.

Mo

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 11 May 03 - 11:49 PM

Eliza...Hi !
I'll let Dixie Fletcher know that her sterling work in reviving the "Jack" tradition in Whitstable, has finally been recognised !!
(Suggs....Bashful and sweet?? Weird concept!)
Harry.
If indeed the sainted Mr W did play a Sandy song, why not inundate him with E Mails...Look what he managed for another fine deceased singer Eva Cassidy. (How many million sales?)
If he could achieve the same for Sandy, then I might even forgive him for the Floral Dance!
Maurice (Strange name for a lady?!)
Can I assume that Morris is the "New Black" !?
Mind you, am not sure if I approve of my girlfriend's tongue hanging out that much. When she was a member of a well known Southern Ladies side,...How can I put it,

When touring with other male sides, the ladies weren't watching the intricate stepping!

Onwrads Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 11 May 03 - 11:59 PM

Oh...and Noddy..
Sorry, forgot about Radcliffe. Too few hours in the day to listen to everything, but thanks for correcting me.
Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST,eliza C
Date: 12 May 03 - 11:13 AM

They are certainly not ordinary, they are extremely fast and agile, which I have never seen in a team for years. Perhaps it was harder to pick up from the TV. I have to admit, I was simply thinking about how proud I was of them while I was watching it.
And no, my fiddle was not out of tune. For once. :)
cheers Ralphie! Do let Dixie know. I thought it was very well done myself.
x ec

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 May 03 - 11:18 AM

Nothing like a bit of Country and Western eh? *Smiles*

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Ralphie
Date: 12 May 03 - 01:21 PM

Eliza... Slight diversion..

On another thread you remarked on your Plymouth/Worthing/Whitby trip.
Better get a new agent!!!
Us old people can't even get around London in an afternoon!

See Ya. Ralphie xx

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 12 May 03 - 05:00 PM

I even got Eliza a mention on that Chatterbox thing on Ceefax (591) yesterday.....the things you have to resort to.......

All the best.........Harry.

PS. Wogan unfortunately ruined the effect of playing Sandy Denny by coming out with a stereotypical "Whack-fol-de-diddle-iday" at the end...ho-hum.

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: Penny S.
Date: 16 May 03 - 06:42 PM

I was certainly impressed with the Dog Rose side. Young, agile, wiry - the description of the moves of the Lippizaner horses "airs above the ground" comes to mind. It did come across on the screen.

Penny

Subject: RE: Eliza on Jools Holland - did you see?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 03 - 06:51 PM

Bloody good performance! Let's hope this is just the start!