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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 31 Dec 07 - 10:51 AM
MMario 31 Dec 07 - 11:17 AM
GUEST,Slag 31 Dec 07 - 11:46 AM
Rapparee 31 Dec 07 - 11:52 AM
Amos 31 Dec 07 - 12:17 PM
MMario 31 Dec 07 - 12:33 PM
Rapparee 31 Dec 07 - 12:56 PM
Amos 31 Dec 07 - 01:08 PM
Acme 31 Dec 07 - 01:47 PM
Rapparee 31 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 31 Dec 07 - 05:13 PM
Rapparee 31 Dec 07 - 05:37 PM
Amos 31 Dec 07 - 05:40 PM
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Amos 31 Dec 07 - 06:33 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 10:51 AM

The question I want to pose to my friends and colleagues on MOAB is this:

Is there a better way?




Instinctively, of course, we all feel sure there is and we are busy figgering it out one tiny bit at a time.

I hope we are not mistaken, though...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:17 AM

I'll counter your question:

Is there an easier way?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:46 AM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ are we there yet? Uh, Oh? We are there! Wow! This is the first time I dared ever to view this thread! I have dial-up at home and I couldn't tie my machine up for a week downloading all this. AWESOME! Don't know if I'll ever be back this way. I may get satellite DSL soon so who knows? I would love to share in some of the previous discussion about the California coastline, which I love but I AM just a little overwhelmed.

One thing I would like to say is that with all this stacking ability I think everyone who posts here could help out a dear friend of us all, Little Hawk. Come on, throw him a bone. Post to his measly 5000 "...if only..." thread. Hook him up with Winona while he can still remember why he WANTS to hook up with Winona. You got the power. Do it!

MOAB(S) for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:52 AM

MOAB is the other way. MOAB is 90 degrees to everything else.

And Mom likes it that way, because that is the way it was all intended to be.

(Welcome, Slag. You don't have to read the last 10K or so posts, just all of it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 12:17 PM

MM:

What does an easier way have to do with a better way?? Really. Just think if Khandu had decided he would look for an easier way -- there would be no MOAB at all!!

No, no.   Rapaire is right that Mom is the OTHER way but my question, aimed deep into the dark, obscure hearts of MOABites everywhere, still stands.

Is there a better way???




A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 12:33 PM

Why can't it be BOTH ways?

Easier and Better?

But the question(s) can still be asked; together or seperately.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 12:56 PM

The question is better asked, I think, in this manner:

Why Should There Be A Better Way?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 01:08 PM

You floofle-head!

Why SHOULDN'T THERE be a better way?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 01:47 PM

My local NPR station is pretty good. Today they're rebroadcasting a program with guest John Kao called "How America Is Losing Its Innovation Edge, Why It Matters, and How We Can Get It Back."

Good program for the last day of the year. I sat in my lazy midday bath listening to this program and thinking about what I want my children to be able to do in their lifetimes.

There SHOULD be a better way, and I want my kids to be curious enough to work on that better way. I want them to be able to feed themselves, to be able to fix things, to be able to think critically about their world and all of the stuff in it. And to be able to dismiss a lot of the American Nonsense that has built up in my lifetime. (If you remember the old Space Angel program, retro rockets were used to help you adjust your course.)

Okay. Back to the regular BS. This little dose of high-octane BS is meant to act as a retro rocket into the new year.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM

I asked you first!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 05:13 PM

Hey...Amos! There is a better way, fliphead. It's called "the TTC". Any idiot knows that, eh?

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 05:37 PM

Amos, pay no attention to the last, non-existent, poster.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 05:40 PM

Actually, Rapaire, you did not ask me first.   You took a perfectly reasonable question and instead of answering it, you altered it and pretended to be answering it. But an altered question is not an answer. So ou are, too, a floofle-head.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 06:08 PM

My question "Why should there be a better way?" should philosophically and logically come before your "Is there a better way?" And THAT should be followed by the question "Is the new way actually better or is it simply something new?" Of course, all of these questions must follow the question "Is there a way?"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 06:33 PM

I notice that you, again, have adroitly ducked away from answering my question.

Sigh.

IS THERE A BETTER WAY???



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 06:46 PM

Well, I contend that I didn't, but I'll answer your questions EVEN THOUGH it is contextually meaningless:

Yes, perhaps such might exist if conditions were such that the "way" you seek is an actual improvement upon the "way" you have. Otherwise, perhaps not.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH, grasshopper?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 06:50 PM

Your answer is perfectly accurate, sir, perfectly clear and perfectly useless.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 07:36 PM

I told ya, dipwad! The TTC is the better way. They been sayin' so fer, like, years, eh? And why would they lie?

You want proof? I got proof right here.

TTC - "The Better Way"

There. See? Now shut yer flippin' trap ya looser! If you don't flippin' like it you can ride MY rocket.

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 07:48 PM

Geeze, dude, doncha know the difference between losers like yourself and looser? 'Cuz you're a bit looser than yu wanna be here, if you see what I mean.

Anyway, you are no better than Rapaire when it comes to answering the question.

I need a Canadian bus route like I need a hole in the head.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 09:38 PM

Do not ask for what you do not want, Grasshopper. Look for the answer within yourself and find there whether or not there is a better way. But to find it you must first discover a worse way, and in finding the worse way you will find the better one. Search within before you ask of others, for only then will you understand the answer when you find it.

A man wished to travel a Great Distance in a short time, and so he asked others to arrange his travel for him and for this he would pay the arrangers gold. And his travel was arranged and it did not cost him much, but as he was flying over the Great Ocean he realized that his seat was so close to the one in front of his he had not placed his feet upon the floor of the carriage since he had left. And he was greatly discomfited. After his business in the far land was completed, he arranged for his own travel and made a compromise between the elegance and useless frippery of First Class and the discomfort of Coach and traveled Business Class. And his compromise made him comfortable, and cost him more gold than Coach but less than First Class.

Learn from this lesson, Grasshopper.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 10:01 PM

Holy flip.

It looks like the guy that kilt Rapaire and took over his computer idenity is the same guy that taught Kung Fu on that old show.

Holy flip.

This is heavy, man.

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 10:29 PM

Naw, Rap ain't dead. He just staggered out o' the Mudcat Tavern where he was alternatin' identites between Puss'n Boots and the Highway Man.

Showed hisself so bad the landlord's black-eyed daughter slammed the shutter in his face so fast and hard that big gaudy plume he had in his hat got caught in it, and broke right in two, it did.   Not even his horse wanted to be associated with him after that. Ol' Rap stormed out of there on foot, his face blood red with rage and shame. He shoulda headed fer home then, but instead he headed up to the Legion Hovel where they was smokin' some of that salmon. He said he didn't inhale, but that is the only sensible explanation fer him tryin' to wax wise and mystic now.

Oh Lordy. Mom? MOMMMMM! Come quick, Shane's a'headed up to the Legion Hall to join his buddies. We gotta get Rap out of there now!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 10:38 PM

Good thing Janie popped in there with that explanation, or poor Rap woulda been in serious trouble for offering sanctimonious Frequent Flyer advertising on a non-commercial channel. Not to mention all that pseudo-guru Grasshopper doodoo. Jeeze. Ya give a guy a library and he thinks he's a bodhisatva or somp'n...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:09 PM

You may criticize, Grasshopper, when you have feasted in Valhalla.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:24 PM

Now this delusion that the Legion Hovel is Valhalla.

Gotta be the salmon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:33 PM

You don't "feast" at the Legion Hovel. In fact, you'd barely want to eat there if you're starving to death. The specialty of the house is cheap hot dog chunks in cheap macaroni and cheese, both of which are either over- or under- cooked and sometimes both at the same time. The biscuits are burnt on the top and bottom but pure dough in the middle, and it's the only place I've ever been where they can burn the top of a piece of streaky bacon and leave the bottom raw.

But then, most Legionettes and Legionairres aren't exactly gourmands.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 31 Dec 07 - 11:49 PM

Yum! Bet that is one place where you can find roadkill dishes. You know, groundhogs swelled up just right!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:06 AM

The "Table Do Hot" for the weekly Bingo Dinner the other night was:

Horsy Do Overs: Whizzed Cheese On Crackers w/Partially Stuck In It

Salad: Kale and Beet Tops w/Canned Pears, In Its Own Juices

Entry: Some Sort Of Cooked Meat
       Roasted Canned Vegetables Outside The Can
       Rice Or Something Like That With Stuff In It
       Green Or Red Jello With Fruit In It
       Bread And Stuff Like That, With Oleo

Desert: Hot Froze Apple Pie With Whizzed Cheese On It

Drinks: Yes.


This is an exact transcript of the menu. You can guess at most of it, but I can't bring myself to describe what is meant by "Whizzed Cheese." Suffice to say that it does NOT come out of a pressurized can.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:07 AM

Happy New Year, Mom.

To All Our Relations
All the two leggeds
The four leggeds
The creepy crawlies and the winged creatures
To all that walks, flies, or crawls upon the ground.
To all that burrows in the earth, swims in the sea
To all that clings to the cravasses and crevises of the mountains and the deep.
To the East, the land of birth, beginning, wakefulness
To the South, the place of light, warmth, hope
To the West, the land of death, sleep, the ancestors
To the North, the place of winter, rest, dormancy
To all our our relations that dwell on and in the Earth
And in the skies above us.
Happy New Year.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:31 AM

Cheese Whiz is in a jar.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 02:22 AM

I see I have to look in on the Tavern before heading to bed tonight, now that it is Jan. 1, 2008. Looks like Rapaire has been busy entertaining the troops. Hope he didn't lose that trumpet thingie, it could be useful . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM

But "whizzed cheese" comes out of a...I leave it to your imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 11:37 AM

..a whizzed cheeze container, surely...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 12:24 PM

Yes. Yes, exactly.

Speaking of cheese whiz, down in the ads at the bottom of the page right now is a link for "Mormon Folk Tunes & Hymns." Is there some connection between the Mormon Church and cheese whiz? I shall have to ask my Mormon friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:17 PM

Quiet this morning. And you're starting the year discussing cheese whizz? I hope this doesn't have anything to do with culinary resolutions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:26 PM

We begin this Memorable Year with a

New Topic



Viz, and to wit:

What Is the Nature of a Better Way???



Initially the discussion will be limited to aspects not touching on cheese whiz.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:29 PM

I applaud, also, janie's Poem which is clearly and without doubt a Contribution to the Topic, whether by intent of Authoress or by divine fate.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 02:27 PM

But Cheese Whiz touches everything. It is everywhere. And it might be the "better way" you are searching for, Grasshopper. You could do far worse than to emulate the noted sage Ah'man and try it on deep-fried breaded lard sticks. You must try all ways, Grasshopper, not just those that you believe are best.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 03:38 PM

Ah, Cockroach, how misguided is your Guidance. No, verily, I say unto you that only the way you Know is Better can possibly be the better way. Learn this lesson, and learn it well, Cockroach: the Road to Hell is paved with the validation of Wrong Targets. I am certain there is A Better Way which does not involve Lard. At least, that way will lie the Better Way for me and for Mom. Of that I am sure. You, of course, by nature, may be more interested in the Larded Way.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:30 PM

The better way you are searching for involves olive oil, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:46 PM

Behold, Butterfly draws closer to the Way than Cockroach!!

Why is that?

But no, much as I revere Olive Oil, I do not think that she alone can personify the Better Way of which I am in search.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:00 PM

If you do not explore all ways you cannot know which is better, just as you cannot know true repentance until you have explored all that you need not repent of. For only by the experience of nothing can you experience something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:10 PM

Spoken in the True Cockroach Spirit. Yet, it may be yet to be discovered that Nothing is a Unary, Transcendental and All-Permeating singularity, requiring only a single breath to be fully Known.

Such a moment would indeed make an Archie of a Mehitabel, or vice-versa, depending on how well it was assimilated.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:30 PM

It is clear that few if any of Mom's Loyal Chitlins have the time to Make a Proposition in answer to the Topic.

Proposition: The Nature of a Better Way Includes More Harmony and Less Dissonance



I would llike to know what BWL has to say about this. Also Kink Khankadoo. And Janie, Maggie, Leedle Hack, and Rapaire. Also Tweed, Bunn, Rustic Rebel and the funny lady from Blueblood, England.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:53 PM

Ultimately, I think the Better Way is simply beyond expressing in language, but it would be an approximation to say that it is akin to one enormous Harmony...with no dissonance whatsoever. Dissonance would only appear to occur when one split off various parts of the One Harmony and considered them from certain isolated perspectives, but without grasping the whole.

And that is the general problem of existence: being limited to one's isolated perspectives, and not grasping the whole.

The less one does grasp the whole, the more is one inclined to argue...and to cast judgement...and to take sides in disputes...and to see evil. A host of miseries derive from clinging to one's partialities.

And that is one of the reasons why I think it's a very bad idea to have political parties, come to think of it. It creates perpetual political warfare in a society by setting up oppositional forces. The same is true of having teams in organized sports, but that is a far more innocent form of stylized warfare than what we see occurring in politics, and it usually does a lot less damage to the world (soccer hooligans notwithstanding).

But the fact that I have a problem with political parties AND organized sports also indicates my own partiality and judgement! ;-) And I know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 08:46 PM

Far, far better than Olive oil or Canadian Subways, good Hawk. May you infect the soul of Cockroach and quicken the heartbeat thereof.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:15 PM

Heh! Well, perhaps. Cockroaches, if nothing else, are great survivors, so I wouldn't be too quick to judge them for their generally unsavory reputation....as long as they don't overrun my kitchen. Then the gloves are off.

Speaking of which, I had to go on a bitter anti-mouse campaign here over the past 2 months. The house was infested with them for some reason.

Final score: 7 large and prosperous looking mice killed by traps and one prisoner taken unharmed when I fortuitously trapped him in a small box. I would really prefer not to hurt them, all things considered. I took that lucky fellow around the other side of the small lake here...far enough away that he wouldn't come back...and dropped him off at the outdoor wildlife sanctuary place where they have pheasants and other birds in cages. I figured he'd find bird food there aplenty to live on, even in the middle of winter...but he might have had to negotiate for space with the local mice who were already there. Anyway, I gave him about the best chance I could figure out at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:19 PM

I am sure he is sensitive to your generosity and appropriately grateful.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

I hope so. ;-) Have you seen "Ratatouille"? It's an absolutely wonderful movie about a grateful and very deserving rodent.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

And knowing of your kind and loving heart he will return with all his kith and kin.


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