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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Acme 23 Jul 04 - 05:54 PM
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Little Hawk 23 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM
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Rapparee 23 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 05:54 PM

This button.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM

hey LH!

THIS Button?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM

The red button on the wall, Mario.

(Don't push it!)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:39 PM

That would be 'Methods of catologing books so that the ordinary person requires the assistance Library Science trained personnel in order to locate them'?

Or was it 'L-space vectors in Time-space distortion'


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM

Right next to my copy of The Medium Is The Massage I found my long-lost copy of Masseuse: The Erotic Adventures Of Madam Francine And Her Wild Whips.

NOW I remember what I was going to write my thesis on.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:03 PM

I am truly, truly repentant, and have been shown by Amos the error of my ways. He is correct, and I have to say that it takes a REALLY BIG guy to admit that

Rapaire:

Thanks. I do admit it, and I really appreciate the acknowledgemt of how much it took.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:51 PM

It's like putting a red button on the wall with a little sign by it: Don't Push this Button

What button?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:44 PM

Yeah, one is born every day.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:33 PM

Naw, we'll NEVER run out of suckers!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:25 PM

Today's Idaho State Journal, our local newspaper, has this headline:

Suckers Still An Endangered Species








I knew that....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:03 PM

The "Shatner Bill of Lading". That IS brilliant! Just brilliant!

All future shipments to or from the WSSBA (William Shatner School of BAAAAAD Acting) in beautiful lakeland Orillia must now be accompanied by a Shatner Bill of Lading, as decreed by the Board of Governors.

Thank you, Stilly River Sage! You will shortly be receiving an 8 x 10" glossy colour photo of William Shatner in a thong.

And yes, you are absolutely right. It was like the pot calling the kettle black.

You know what's funny, folks? I started another thread about people who have never posted to (or even looked at) the Mother of All BS Threads...what a wretched and deprived lot of knaves they are!

And as I suspected would happen, a few snotty and pretentious worthies logged in to sneer from their ivory towers and declare haughtily that they would NEVER deign to even open, let alone post to this worthless thread! :-) Oh joy! I knew I could coax them into making a comment or two and revealing the depths of their spiritual emptiness. Reverse psychology is a wonderful technique.

It's like putting a red button on the wall with a little sign by it: Don't Push this Button

Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 11:46 AM

"Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested."                     --Francis Bacon


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:56 AM

it's hard work digesting readers, they always give me heartburn.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:40 AM

i've read the readers digest version.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:33 AM

I have. I can't speak for Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM

(Notice the subtle way I snagged the magical 4020?)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM

but..has anyone read the book..


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:28 AM

Thank the Lord I've found a rotten, dirty, gunnysack that's still got some rotten potatoes sticking to the bottom!

I abase myself. I pour ashes upon my head. I will wear the gunnysack to work and for days and days thereafter (that provides the sackcloth and ashes, see?), for one thing because Big Frankie took my pants.

I was in error about the title of McLuhan's book. What is worse, it is on my shelf, and if I had just turned slightly I could have prevented this public confession of my sin. I shall carry a forty pound candle through the streets and kneel before the Library whilst saying a novena, and then carry the candle inside and kneel before the servers whilst saying another novena, all the while wearing said sackcloth and ashes and a chastity belt of rusty barbed wire.

I am truly, truly repentant, and have been shown by Amos the error of my ways. He is correct, and I have to say that it takes a REALLY BIG guy to admit that. Someone who is just chock-full of intellectual honesty and ethical stuff. Someone who believes in the innate goodness of Humanity and the perfectability of Mankind (and Womankind). Someone who is willing and even eager to say, "Amos, you were right and I was in a tiny bit of error."

Amos, you were right and I was in a tiny bit of error. The title of the book IS "The Gutenberg Galaxy," not "The Gutenberg Solar System."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:24 AM

well, nothing happened here either..


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:16 AM

Freda:

No, same ole, same ole.

Why?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:10 AM

uh.. anything happen while i was away?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 08:59 AM

Well, I have thought about what you say, LH, as I always do respect your something or other, and here's the way of it...I over reacted when it appear my dibsies were being challenged. I had a mean older brother who used to do things like that all the time -- over-ride fair dibsies with force majeure -- right up into his 40's, when we parted ways permanently -- and I vowed I would never let it happen again!!

Thanks for understanding. Some things are worth going tot he wall for, and fair dibsies is certainly one of them. Telling Mom just isn't quite the same thing.

SRS -- the Bill of Lading -- pure brilliance!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 02:05 AM

Anyone peddling the Shatner Bill of lading as hard as you have, LH, is truly the pot calling the kettle black when chiding Amos about his latest coup!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 11:30 PM

Amos, your lunacy has reached new depths. I bet even your dog is embarrassed to admit he knows you now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 11:25 PM

Ma'a'm I appreciate your chuckle and am really glad Jerry did not throw my whole applecart off the curb!! As for 5000, your dibs is the first I have seen, so it has precedence--everyone else is still recovering from the shoick of 4000 showing up so abruptly.

:>)

Sometimes the medium IS the massage, and the massage leaves you sleepy-headed!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 11:11 PM

Amos, I didn't read the essay, but I enjoyed skipping down through the posts--and I would have laughed my ass off if Jeri had stumbled in and tripped up your run. That's always the risk, isn't it?

Dibs on 5,000. . . about three months from now? Just in time to creep up on the national elections? There ought to be some really good quality (if extremely deep) BS around by then.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 10:56 PM

See also the Proof Sheets from the book.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:40 PM

By the way:

The Medium is the Massage

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:29 PM

Well, now Rapaire, if we is now going to allow you to set a new AND RETROACTIVE policy allowing only perfectly spelled and referenced and factual statements into the Mother o f all BS, you gonna have to invalidate a lot more than my little essay. It would slim this whole thread down to about 2500.

I think what is toast is, rather, your schemes for grabbing 4000 yourself. You have clearly been driven to minicephalic desperation and small-minded extremes to even propose such a thought, and I am sorry for you.

The BIG 4000 is mine, fair and square, and if you will stop your squabbling, I will leave the field, honor high and prize unchallenged, and you may pursue 6000, or, if you have a clever browser like Jeri, 5000.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:22 PM

Amos, McLuhan did NOT EVER say that "the medium is the massage." The correct title of the book is "The Medium Is The MEssage," which makes sense (read the damned book if you don't understand). This negates everything your extended (and perfidious) grab at 4K postulated.

In plain ol' English: Dude, your post is toast!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:20 PM

Amos, I will trust your honesty when you say you're responding to something Freda said. It's just not showing up on page 81.

As to the BS-ness of your BS, I'm sure it's fine. I normally think of BS as something you do with other people. However, experts might very well say doing it by yourself is perfectly fine if no one else is available to share the experience. I think you got the big 4000 fair and square. Congrats, and I hope it was good for you. ;-)

(By the way, I've got Mozilla, and can open multipe tabs in one instance of the browser. Love that little feature!)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:04 PM

Jeri:

See the warnings up thread about Freda planning to use multiple frames to do what I did using multiple frames...to capture Post 4000.

Was there something in those posts of mine that you feel didn't qualify for this thread? Huh?? They seemed like really quality BS to me, but I have learned of late (See the Mudcat Best Poet Contest Thread) that one can be too in love with one's own voice and lose   perspective thereby! LOL!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:59 PM

Freda? You confused, or do you think I have another, Australian, personality? I only have one membership here, although I've posted as GUEST,Jeri when I was having problems getting in, and I think, VERY infrequently in the deep, murky past, I've been a silly name or two.

Your strategy was fairly obvious, as I usually read "Messages Since Last Visit" and noticed you dumping posts. I read one, and the only reason I could see for any remotely sane person for posting that was achieving a quantitative goal.

If, I say "IF" I should manage to swoop in and grab a prized number from somebody, I should get extra points because I AM on a very (veryveryvery) slow dialup. DSL is starting to look pretty darned good right now!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:33 PM

Freda --

Save those Frames and coupons, girl!! There' still 5000, and no-one has dibsed it!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:23 PM

Amos, if I wasn't on a damned dial-up, you would have been toast.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:20 PM

Jeri:

You came within nanoseconds of ruining a beautiful posting strategy, darlin!!

I was just making good on a double-dibs on MOAB Post # 4000.

All done now, back to "normal".

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:17 PM

Amos, what are you going on about?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:17 PM

Will get post 45000 on the MOAB...but I dibs it soi that counts for something!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:16 PM

So there is of course a distinct possibility...that some one else....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:14 PM

19. This trick can turn the catalogue of knowingnesses into an instant of raw knowing, a window of direct light rather than a complex maze of allowed reflected perceptions.. That is the moment where the Knower transcends his own Knowing and gets back home.

If information systems have any ultimate Good to steer by, that very moment may well be it.
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:13 PM

You may be aware of the fact that thjere are really only four messages to go....

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:12 PM

20. I sincerely hope you have found this exercise amusing and informative.

With warmest regards,


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:11 PM

18. This self-preservation and self-solidification feature appears as though it operates without any participation by the viewer. This apparent condition is untrue and the alteration enables persistency by making it hard tyo understand what one is really looking at.
Self-reinforcing, self-solidifying beliefs LOOK like they are the reality structure - because they get more solid when you look at them. Therefore they must be "what is real", because it appears not to change.
The actual reason it appears not to change is a time-loop built into the mocked-up, generated knowingness. The loop acts as though it is saying "I am what I was before, only more solid".
You can buy into (agree to know) the assertion, and your perception will be of something persisting and growing more solid. Then you will know how solid things are, how hopeless hope is, and how useless trying.
As an alternative, you can see through this assertion, peel it away, and your perception will be of an apparent but untrue assertion, a marketing day-mare, a neon fallacy twinkling in the sea of consciousness, a belief like many others. Like other beliefs, a structure erected by, for, of, with, in and from consciousness.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:11 PM

17. There may also be some sort of Infinite vector of experience, which mystics have historically tried to describe, but since it approaches All, both in experience and time, it is not evidently nameable as something we can map here.
For any given viewpoint, then, there are compounds of knowing on all these vectors, and probably a few more as well, and at any given moment some of them are in play in his or her makeup while others are dormant. The set of knowing that is operating at a given moment is highly variable, is relative to other sets of information and the individual himself and a host of emotional variables; and the entire complex becomes more or less transparent depending on how ėfreeî the individual is to stay up with the moment,
un-subdued by having his attention sucked up by complexities of unreconciled knowing. It could be said from this perspective that all problems are problems in knowing, including knowing ėnotî.
Something to be known about the use of certain systems of knowing is that they can be self-solidifying and can have triggers built in to them such that when they are threatened with understanding, they automatically refresh their own solidification by being harder to understand. Some people generate these paradoxical minefields of knowing as a method of defending themselves against simple attention and understanding, but only after they have drifted pretty far down the spectrum.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:10 PM

16. Everything
Armed with these complex compoounds of Know, people use business to earn money; they use money to buy futures and positive experiences of the present. They buy futures in order to contemplate varieties of experience. There is no objective standard that requires what sort of future experience should drive any given individual or market sector. But it is clear that there is a spectrum of possible experiences which constitute the driving energy behind the accomplishment of future experience.
This spectrum includes individual experience, including individual material wellbeing. It includes future familial experience, starting with the affinity of romantic and/or sexual bonds. The energy of this kind of knowing leads some to believe that the driving consideration in life is love, getting laid, making babies or "family values" built around the generation of new humans.
In addition, efforts to achieve the future of groups experiencing as groups - be it Rotarians, citizens of Smallville, Urbane Cosmic University Graduates Associated, Denizens of Earth, Employees in Revolt, or Butterfly Lovers International . Each individual builds a set of these groups which function somewhat like a template, in his mind, of things he belongs to, and about which he knows. Great philosophies have been built up on the notion that this kind of knowing is really the dominat one ņ Marxism and capitalism are two that come to mind.
The species itself, sensed as a whole, is another zone of future experience, as are the planet as an environment, and the space-time continuum. Another is spiritual experience, individual or organized. Sometimes the ėgroupsî category is substituted for the spiritual as a token to hold the place of spiritual experience by at least participating in a group. Church service is an example ņ it may or may not be a spiritual experience but is usually an experience of group and group agreement in any case. Not the same thing, though, and certainly the two involve very different kinds of knowing..


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:10 PM

15. Catalogues of Knowing
Any viewpoint can be considered as a collection of known realities or a catalogue of ėknowingnessesî. Your first boy- or girl-friend had such a collection, which you found out about gradually, remember? And you certainly brought such a collection into the day when you finished waking up this morning. One reason we never seem to run out of things to laugh about is the endless tensions and collisions that can behad between these different methods and packages of knowing.
The sum total of experience being had at any point in time by one viewpoint is the sum total of "forces of knowing" composited in the individual catalog. If you want an example of forces of knowing, imagine or remember what it feels like to know you are inadequate to deal with a very important situation which is demanding your attention right now. Another example: recall what it feels like to realize you are completely on top of things.
Think back to a time you took a stressful exam, or passed a tough test, and what you were knowing at the different extremes of the experience.
Within any catalogue of knowing there may be contradictions - sets of knowledge that do not harmonize well, such as knowing you are extremely important but not knowing how, or knowing you are nothing but must be something, knowing you feel fear but must be brave, and so on. These fields of ėknowingî address all vectors and all dynamics of the spectrum of life. Example: knowing there is no ground fault in a circuit, but knowing it looks like there is one and knowing that you donít know where it is, at the same time that you know God is on your side in this matter, and knowing He should hurry up and clarify things for you. Compounds of knowing, some parts of which blend well, others of which conflict. Another easy example: knowing that high school history is about as dull as a living person can stand without weeping and also knowing you need to placate the professor for the sake of your diploma and domestic tranquility but knwoing that the only thing interesting within fifteen miles is Sally Wethersfield in the row ahead of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

14. It needs to be said that the alpha and omega points described here are different than any other part of the information process. It is not that the information enters the brain where the circuits are so subtly complex that they bring about understanding. The most complex correlation of neurons in the universe contains no information until the omega point of appreciation by a source of understanding occurs. This is so simple it is possibly mind-bending, but it is as close to absolute as a proposition ca get in this universe: the understanding that precedes the creation of information and which appreciates   information at its receipt is qualitatively different from any process involved in relaying that information.
IF you can imagine the series of transformations which make up information processes as a straight line, it might help. Like a straight line, the process is made up at least theoretically of a series of points which can be made to seem discrete, although perhaps they are not. Within any such point you can scale down your inspection and examine finer and finer subroutines: the mechanism of modulation and demodulation, the physics of bandwidth in twisted-pair configuration or optical fiber, the intricate storing of voltage pulses as binary data in registers, and so on. Each of these in turn has its own subset of intricate processes. Nowhere in any of this, however, has information occurred until the qualitative difference is entered in of an understanding appreciating the meaning of the information.
Please also notice that a source of understanding, as a phenomenon which shows up in the physical universe, is different than any other class or kind of phenomenon in that universe because it adds the non-material ingredient of understanding. Understanding is not exercised by material systems. Computers do not understand; dogs understand more than the most complex mainframe. This is not to say that just registering an analog display of information in front of an eyeball produces understanding. Misunderstood displays or comatose internal states can prevent understanding, as when you see your first Arabic car advertisement or when a teenage street punk is invited to the opera.
Neither you nor the street punk is short of potential understanding, but the necessary via of symbols and the dependency on them have combined to prevent it from occurring. It is easy and lethally wrong to conclude from this that the registration of symbols linked in enough ways will produce understanding. This is a fallacy of confusion between necessary and sufficient conditions. IF you believe understanding must only occur when symbol-linking occurs, there is no way to account for instances where it has occurred spontaneously, as in imagined or dreamed circumstances or when inventing new algorithms or designs.
We are, after all, talking about a source of understanding, meaning an emanation point, not just understanding as an unaware reflex following the right inputs. The whole point is that the latter is nonexistent. Awareness is not just another reflex. It is qualitatively different ņ a different ėwhatî ņ not just a different number of switches at work. There is a leap to a different ņ entirely ņ class of event. The more you compare the nature of switches and relays with the natures of insight and understanding the more obvious the qualitative difference between them becomes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

13. Deconstruction
The process of information abstraction and interchange is a wide study and it cannot be done full justice here. Suffice it to say that modern information technology has fundamentally modified the quantity of explicit information, by orders of magnitude, which can reach the ordinary individual. It has also subtly modified the quality of that information. Thus, it has become popular to refer to the period as an Information ėage ė, running ėInformation economiesî. Before too big of an issue gets made of this, it might be useful to look a little closer at what information is and consists of.
The largest and most obvious component of any information is the system of relays via which it arrives. The information itself is less palpable, although it may be more far-reaching and far more important.
Consider the receipt of an ordinary postcard, on which your cousin in Indiana writes to tell you he has seen a cat. The obvious, real and immediate components of the experience are the card, the writing on it, the mail box from which you recovered it, the postal person who brought it, the truck which brought it from the airport, the plane it came from Indiana on, the intermediary steps it went through after it left his hand, and so on. It may evoke, when you read it, images of the table at which he sat while looking at his cat, or the weather in Indiana on the day he saw it. But on a physical level it is the vias, the physical relays of the communication which are tangible and obvious.
Systems of information exchange deal primarily with these ėviaî issues and have little attention to spare for the event that occurs after delivery or before transmission. The technology is not truly about information, for the most part, or even remotely about communication in a living sense. It is about the design of relay systems and the architecture of vias, mechanisms for flooding the channels of networks with signals.
But no matter how complex the network, how wide the WAN or how fast the throughput, there is an alpha and an omega in information. We touched on the alpha when we examined the abstracting process in part 1. It involves the creation of representations of experience. At the beginning of any system, system of systems, layer or concatenation of layers, is the simplicity of this initial process: the representation of experience. The beginning of all information is the apprehension by an awareness of experience. From this all else derives. You could say the alpha point occurs when a source of understanding generates an intention to bring about understanding.
Similarly, the end point of all information and its measure of value is not anywhere in the formatting process or the transmission or the correlation. These things serve to support the value that occurs, but the value does not occur until a source of understanding appreciates the information.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:08 PM

12. The current raging growth of the technology through which these abstractions are created and used is what is being called the Information Age, not because the mechanisms are binary but because a new order of magnitude has been achieved in speed of relay of signals, including pages of words and numbers, and because networking technology has raised the inter-accessibility of information to new orders. Whether or not this is a Good Thing, it is certainly an interesting one and it remains to be seen how the human race will adjust to this new power of exchange of information. So far, it has made definite differences. The networking of the species, as far as it has gone, has been a power for the better on balance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM

11. This digitizing and undigitizing of messages places sender and receiver one step further removed, and in doing so brings about dependencies. These are one generation more complex than the dependencies which informed Marshall McLuhan when he discovered the ėmedium ėwas the ėmassageî. Most such ėmassages ėwere not digital when McLuhan wrote, but the advent of email is certainly a coherent extension of the trend he was brilliant enough to identify. It abstracts from a direct experience of communication to one which is a step removed through a digital laundering ņ the communication without the substance of the communicator or his direct efforts.


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