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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Bee-dubya-ell 03 Jun 09 - 09:57 PM
Rapparee 03 Jun 09 - 09:38 PM
Rapparee 03 Jun 09 - 08:19 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 07:43 PM
Acme 03 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM
Rapparee 03 Jun 09 - 05:12 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 03:39 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 02:23 PM
Rapparee 03 Jun 09 - 02:19 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:38 PM
Rapparee 03 Jun 09 - 01:30 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:23 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:02 PM
Little Hawk 03 Jun 09 - 12:36 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 03 Jun 09 - 10:44 AM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 09:29 AM
MMario 03 Jun 09 - 08:42 AM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:50 AM
Acme 02 Jun 09 - 11:31 PM
Rapparee 02 Jun 09 - 10:47 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 02 Jun 09 - 07:34 PM
Acme 02 Jun 09 - 06:36 PM
Rapparee 02 Jun 09 - 06:29 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 02 Jun 09 - 06:06 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jun 09 - 05:37 PM
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Acme 02 Jun 09 - 01:16 PM
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Amos 02 Jun 09 - 11:42 AM
MMario 02 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 09:57 PM

I had one of them gognitive impairment things for a while. Had some cogs that was meant to mesh in pairs, but I couldn't get 'em to do it to save my life. Took that sucker back to Sears and got my money back.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 09:38 PM

I may have slightly misled Amos a little bit. I was using him to test a technique best explained by its abstract:

Stochastic event synchrony is a technique to quantify the similarity of pairs of signals. First, events are extracted from the two given time series. Next, one tries to align events from one time series with events from the other. The better the alignment, the more similar the two time series are considered to be. In Part I, the companion article in this issue, one-dimensional events are considered; this article concerns multidimensional events. Although the basic idea is similar, the extension to multidimensional point processes involves a significantly more difficult combinatorial problem and therefore is nontrivial.

Also, in the multidimensional process, the problem of jointly computing the pairwise alignment and SES parameters is cast as a statistical inference problem. This problem is solved by coordinate descent, more specifically, by alternating the following two steps: (1) estimate the SES parameters from a given pairwise alignment; (2) with the resulting estimates, refine the pairwise alignment. The SES parameters are computed by maximum a posteriori (MAP) estimation (step 1), in analogy to the one-dimensional case. The pairwise alignment (step 2) can no longer be obtained through dynamic programming, since the state space becomes too large. Instead it is determined by applying the max-product algorithm on a cyclic graphical model.

In order to test the robustness and reliability of the SES method, it is first applied to surrogate data. Next, it is applied to detect anomalies in EEG synchrony of mild cognitive impairment (MCI) patients. Numerical results suggest that SES is significantly more sensitive to perturbations in EEG synchrony than a large variety of classical synchrony measures.


I hope that he doesn't mind, but the phrase "mild cognitive impairment" of course immediately suggested him. My research, however, clearly demonstrates that I was in error, as his cognitive impairment is anything but mild.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 08:19 PM

A point 0-dimensional mathematical object, which can be specified in n-dimensional space using n coordinates. Although the notion of a point is intuitively rather clear, the mathematical machinery used to deal with points and point-like objects can be surprisingly slippery. This difficulty was encountered by none other than Euclid himself who, in his Elements, gave the vague definition of a point as "that which has no part."

The basic geometric structures of higher dimensional geometry--the line, plane, space, and hyperspace--are all built up of infinite numbers of points arranged in particular ways.

These facts lead to the mathematical pun, "without geometry, life is pointless."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 07:43 PM

MWahahahaha!! ALL things? It must be some tiny point indeed. The number of things to be measured in the sub-nanometer range, just for example, exceeds those of normal 1-100 meter scales by several orders of magnitude, even when you count broken guitar strings.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM

Contrary to the Kubla Khan knockoff, one NEEDS a brain to enter here. Functional levels may vary, however.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 05:12 PM

I'm the point against with all things are measured.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 03:39 PM

THe universe prolly comes crashing in around yer ears...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 02:23 PM

What happens if you decide to move the point?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 02:19 PM

Actually it's non-dimensional. I exist only as a point.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:38 PM

That's not a point of view--it's a state of obsessive self-absorption. In your case, however, these two values may approach each other asymptotically.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:30 PM

From my point of view everything is one dimensional.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:23 PM

The olgs crawl in, the olgs crawl out
They leave their residue all about,
They hide inside the parlor walls,
And fuck up everything.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:02 PM

Far in the distant deserts of the Mudcat tribe,
A towering pleasure-dome was made,
With topics higher than the palms are high,
And posts of beauty writ, all unafraid;

Here there was art, and truth, and wit ran free,
Behind a towering golden portal tall,
And nothing writ therein was dull or twee,
And never a post was flat, nor subject, small.

Here there were poets making music in their lines
Here were philosophers who knew not Fear.
And on that portal high, this legend warned each mind:
Abandon All Brains, oh Ye Who Enter Here.

Ozzie Manjus King
Wet Wit in a Dry Place
Corinthians Publications, Oshkosh, 2001


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 12:36 PM

Oh, don't you read that thread!
That Saggy Baggy Thread!
You know that thread is causing such a pain!
And if you read that thread!
That Saggy Baggy Thread!
It just might make me lose my brain!

Etc....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM

Seriously, folks, flatness is an interesting variation on dimensionality in general and an exception to the archetypal pattern of space generating as far as the "I" can see; this is why theuniverse is expanding--because people keep looking.

But with flatness, your dimensionality bounces back on you, and a series of pointillist rebukes, informing you that you must not see through this plane, comes zooming back at you from every point of the surface. THis can feel very frustrating and unnacheral. Nevertheless, it is just a variation on the ancient theme of having a point of view and deciding, therefore, to have something to view therefrom. The fundamentals still apply, as Space goes by.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 10:44 AM

Poor ol' Mom, she has a post
That's pale as Casper the Friendly Ghost
But Amos thinks that he's the man
Can turn that post a shade of tan
Just like brown gravy from a can
Poured on an overdone pot roast


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 09:29 AM

Saggy baggy thread!! Git on up witchoo or I'll tan your post!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 08:42 AM

MOM! Wake UP!

You fell asleep watching TV again, didn't you?

Have a nice warm raspberry muffin. And some tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:50 AM

This discussion has a flattop. WHich is different from a tin can.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 11:31 PM

Dimension? I don't know--you're flat out of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 10:47 PM

But in what dimensionality?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 07:34 PM

Okay, a wall can be flat, meaning "smooth and even", yet vertical.

But a floor can be flat, meaning "smooth and even", and flat, meaning "horizontally level. So, a floor could be said to be twice as flat as a wall.

But if one were to paint the wall with flat wall paint, the wall would then be just as flat as the floor.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 06:36 PM

Draw your own bills and send them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 06:29 PM

Zimbabwayan. LH won't know the difference.

However...if you, LH, knew anything about dimensional geometry you'd realize that from a perspective of less than or more than three dimensions your argument regarding horizonality falls flat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 06:06 PM

Is that $20 Canadian or US?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 05:37 PM

Flat can be horizontal, Bee-dub, but it doesn't have to be. A wall is flat, yet it is also vertical. A leaning board is flat, yet it is leaning between the horizontal and vertical. Now that I have you wriggling in the grip of irrefutable logic, I think it is time to offer you a chance to purchase a way out of the humiliating spot you are in. ;-) I will accept unmarked bills in denominations over $20 to allow you to slink away without further embarrassment...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 05:14 PM

Sorry, but neither I nor dictionary.com buy the "'flat' is not synonomous with 'horizontal'" argument.

Here's their definition of "flat"

1.horizontally level: a flat roof.
2.level, even, or without unevenness of surface, as land or tabletops.
3.having a surface that is without marked projections or depressions: a broad, flat face.
4.lying horizontally and at full length, as a person; prostrate: He was flat on the canvas after the knockdown.
5.lying wholly on or against something: The banner was flat against the wall.
6.thrown down, laid low, or level with the ground, as fallen trees or buildings.
7.having a generally level shape or appearance; not deep or thick: a flat plate.
8.(of the heel of a shoe) low and broad.
9.spread out, as an unrolled map or the open hand.
10.deflated; collapsed: a flat tire.
11.absolute, downright, or positive; without qualification: a flat denial.
12.without modification or variation: a flat rate.
13.Informal. lacking money; broke.
14.without vitality or animation; lifeless; dull: flat writing.
15.having lost its flavor, sharpness, or life, as wine or food; stale.
16.(of a beverage) having lost its effervescence.
17.without flavor; not spiced: flat cooking.
18.prosaic, banal, or insipid: a flat style.
19.pointless, as a remark or joke.
20.commercially inactive: a flat day in the stock market.
21.(of a painting) not having the illusion of volume or depth.
22.(of a photograph or painting) lacking contrast or gradations of tone or color.
23.(of paint) without gloss; not shiny; mat.
24.not clear, sharp, or ringing, as sound or a voice.
25.lacking resonance and variation in pitch; monotonous: a flat delivery of the speech.
26.Music.
a.(of a tone) lowered a half step in pitch: B flat.
b.below an intended pitch, as a note; too low (opposed to sharp ).
27.Grammar. derived without change in form, as English to brush from the noun brush and adverbs that do not add -ly to the adjective form as fast, cheap, and slow.
28.Phonetics. lenis; voiced.
29.Nautical. (of a sail)
a.cut with little or no fullness.
b.trimmed as nearly fore-and-aft as possible, for sailing to windward.
30.flat a, the a-sound (a) of glad, bat, or act.



Perhaps the river was named Flat River because it was dull and uninteresting. (Definition #14)

By the way, Lester's name was spelled "Flatt".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM

gnu started a thread about programming his remote control, and when I was responding I realized that the remote control is a sort of electronic analog to the spatula. How many do you have and where do you keep them? How do they differ from each other?

Another great thread idea is born!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 04:46 PM

Next you'll be telling us how to pour water on troubled oil.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 04:20 PM

THe Flat that goes with Scruggs is not water, but erl. Erl and water don't mix.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 04:13 PM

No, but Flat goes well with Scruggs.

I presume that none of you have seen a water level or even a glass of water. The water is flat (apart from minor effects on the edge of the container) and level, and REMAINS THAT WAY no matter how you tilt it.

I'll betcha that's a property someone somewhere might even find a use for.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 01:16 PM

Pow! A perfect "10" for LH!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM

Bee-dub, I am going to have to burst your little bubble here. You have overlooked one very basic thing. "Flat" is not a synonym for "horizontal". ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 12:09 PM

Animals may feel regret, but a dog who whimpers, slouches and tucks his tail isn't sorry for peeing on the rug. He's sorry he's gonna get his ass kicked.

And no, no, no, no, a thousand times no, a river is NOT flat! It may look flat, but that's just because you don't have a sufficiently sensitive measuring device to measure its slope. Even Florida's St. Johns River, considered by many to be the world's laziest major river, drops thirty feet in elevation between its headwaters in south Florida and its mouth, 310 miles away near Jacksonville. That's almost flat, but still a drop of a foot every ten miles. And most rivers drop at a rate many times greater than that.

Next thing ya know, you guys will be trying to to convince us that the EARTH is flat!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 11:42 AM

NEw evidence concerning Chongo's deep-seated mental aberrations:

"If you own a dog, especially a dog that has anointed your favorite rug, you know that an animal is capable of apologizing. He can whimper and slouch and tuck his tail and look positively mortified ? "I don't know what possessed me." But is he really feeling sorry?
Could any animal feel true pangs of regret? Scientists once scorned this notion as silly anthropomorphism, and I used to side with the skeptics who dismissed these displays of contrition as variations of crocodile tears. Animals seemed too in-the-moment, too busy chasing the next meal, to indulge in much self-recrimination. If old animals had a song, it would be "My Way."

Yet as new reports keep appearing ? moping coyotes, rueful monkeys, tigers that cover their eyes in remorse, chimpanzees that second-guess their choices ? the more I wonder if animals do indulge in a little paw-wringing.

Your dog may not share Hamlet's dithering melancholia, but he might have something in common with Woody Allen.

The latest data comes from brain scans of monkeys trying to win a large prize of juice by guessing where it was hidden. When the monkeys picked wrongly and were shown the location of the prize, the neurons in their brain clearly registered what might have been, according to the Duke University neurobiologists who recently reported the experiment in Science.

"This is the first evidence that monkeys, like people, have 'would-have, could-have, should-have' thoughts," said Ben Hayden, one of the researchers. Another of the authors, Michael Platt, noted that the monkeys reacted to their losses by shifting their subsequent guesses, just like humans who respond to a missed opportunity by shifting strategy.

"I can well imagine that regret would be highly advantageous evolutionarily, so long as one doesn't obsess over it, as in depression," Dr. Platt said. "A monkey lacking in regret might act like a psychopath or a simian Don Quixote."

In earlier experiments, both chimpanzees and monkeys that traded tokens for cucumbers responded negatively once they saw that other animals were getting a tastier treat ? grapes ? for the same price. They made angry sounds and sometimes flung away the cucumbers or their tokens, reported Sarah Brosnan, a psychologist at Georgia State University.

"I think animals do experience regret, as defined as the recognition of a missed opportunity," Dr. Brosnan said. "In the wild, these abilities may help them to recognize when they should forage in different areas or find a different cooperative partner who will share the spoils more equitably."..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM

I always wondered about the co-dependency of olgs and ilk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

Flat river!!
Flatter than a bug
Squashed deep into a rug
By Dad!

Oh, square-topper!
You share-cropper!
You just have a bad rep,
You aren't really bad!

Flat water
Everyone should know
Just has nowhere to go
Today,

Someday all our dreams will come true,
Meteors fall through
Splash and boil and spew,
And send all
The flat water
Away.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 09:05 AM

Here's a flat river. And it's still flowing, roiling, along.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:40 PM

It is the nature of water to quickly go flat on top, fer crissake! Why do I even need to say so? Isn't it bloody well obvious????

Pour some water in a bucket if you don't believe me, and watch what it does after the splashing subsides.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:32 PM

A river can be flat on top while still flowing down underneath--at least for an interval.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:00 PM

Not me.


I'm a good girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 10:19 PM

Solar still? Vacuum still? Liebig condenser type still? Pot still? Worm still? It's been some years, but I know stills still.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 09:33 PM

Hey, it only takes so much water for a still.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 09:29 PM

It could be a puddle, a pond, an encachement, or several others things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 09:27 PM

Don't ask me where it got it's name, but it does flow. At least in spring and winter. Rest of the year, it is wading water.

Those olgs you is talkin' 'bout Stilly are Appalachian Highlands olgs, of which the Piedmont olg is subspecies.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:48 PM

How can there be a Flat River? Rivers flow downhill. If it's flat, it doesn't flow. If it's doesn't flow, it's not a river. It's a lake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:08 PM

Janie, there are likely to be feral olgs up in the forest around Shenandoah and down in some of those draws along the Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway. They'd be near some of the old yellow poplar (tulip tree) cabins hidden in the woods that the NPS missed tearing down.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 06:29 PM

The even more obscure species of olg known as the Peidmont olg used to be locally common in the Flat, Eno, Little and Haw river basins of North Carolina. It is very particular as to habitat, however, and would create it's burrows only in soft banks located within 20 yards of a moonshine still that was in turn located no more than 1/2 mile from a tobacco barn.

Between the revenuers and the collapse of tobacco farming, there are some who say it is now extinct. I have it on good authority, however, that a small colony still exists on Poteat Creek in Person Co. up near the head of Flat River.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:04 PM

You, sir, may insult me as much as you'd like, but leave my ilk out of it. And my olg too, for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 04:56 PM

You cad, sir! For Shame! There is the odd dachshund who is a dullard, but most of them are quite clever and some are veritable geniuses, specially when it comes to absconding with food that is meant for others. I have known dachshunds who could run circles around you and your ilk, intellectually speaking.


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