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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Amos 19 Feb 08 - 08:56 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:56 AM

Of restraint? Herbals sometimes help...



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:48 AM

Yeah, Amos. I'm full of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 07:54 AM

Oh, wise restraint, to visit such a one as he!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 11:02 PM

"Folkloric" also rhymes with "sophomoric." I would not draw any conclusions from that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 10:57 PM

We certainly try. And you are definitely making a good contribution,. The rhyme of folkloric with paregoric would never have occurred to me if yu had not pointed it out.

At least, not during my waking hours.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 07:28 PM

six little words with all the answers in the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 07:12 PM

Well, yes and no. Perhaps, maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 06:08 PM

is "folkloric" more or less fattening than "caloric"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:51 PM

You realize, of course, that "folkloric" rhymes with "paragoric"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 01:05 PM

I've been looking for some Art Thieme information through the Mudcat search this morning. Whew! If we were giving honorary MOAB memberships, Mr. Thieme would be up there at the top! (Thing is, his stuff gets counted as "folklore." MOM loves Turtle Soup! I wonder of MOM will ever become "folkloric?")

Just had a phone call interrupting my work. A recorded message to remind me that early voting in the Texas Primary begins tomorrow!

Whoo, hoo!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 12:25 PM

Why, John Hardly!! What a pleasure to see you in these mossy halls!! Wlcome. Have some tea!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 12:24 PM

Hate drew a circle around himself
Effectively shutting me and my friendship out
Love drew a circle around us both
And though hate and I were both enclosed
In this bigger, more inclusive, most loving circle
The original circle that hate had drawn around himself
Was still intact.

Hate can be such a jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 10:56 AM

Modern medicine's disgraced,
Get the goddamn things replaced!

Hey hey, little Mudcat Mother,
Hey, hey , hey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 10:07 AM

I use glucosamine and chondrotine
Still seems like the knee ain't got no rightin'
Hey, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 01:38 AM

Get some chiro,   some glucosamine,
Rapaire's knees cry out for tamin;

HEy, hey, little Mudcat mother,
Hey , hey , hey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 08:37 PM

Iffen some relief don't come soon, Amos,
My hurtin' left knee is gonna lame us,
Hey hey, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 07:18 PM

I don't need no Shatner factor --
Who needs an overweight, has-been actor?

Hey, hey, ;little Mudcat Mother
Hey, hey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM

Hey, MOM! I've been rearranging furniture in my office. Means I've been rearranging the dust (mostly into the dust pan with a broom). Is it too early for Spring Cleaning?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 12:54 PM

But if you had some Shatnerizing,
Just think! Results could be surprising!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 11:57 AM

Sorry -- USING the wrong brand.

All I need,
I do confess,
Hot cuppa joe
And some fine BS

Hey, hey, little Mudcat Mother
Hey , hey, hey


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 10:46 AM

If you have to fix them all the time, you may be sing the wrong brand.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 10:21 AM

Heck, I fix computers around here all the time and the lady of the house throws in breakfast if I fix it myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 01:49 AM

I know. I got lunch AND dinner, though. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 12:36 AM

Jeeze, Still, BBW gets from 50 to 90 bucks an hour for that sort of expertise.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:45 PM

Jumping the gun there, Little Hawk, but stick around, there will be another chance!

I've spent most of the day, off and on, at the next door neighbor's house getting her ancient (2002) Dell hooked up to a wireless connection to the cable modem she just subscribed to. They gave her the box with the modem and said "good luck!" I thought that was pretty typical for this company, but when we had to call to ask a question about the account number to logon with the modem, the woman on the other end (in Louisville, KY, I asked) set it up remotely. It was easy and she was polite--and I ended the call by telling her that in 20 years of my experience with Charter, this was the first time it was easy! I stopped using them six years ago and swore I'd never go back, but with the speed of the connection, it's tempting.

I had to add a wireless card and then an ethernet card, then I was able to set up the modem and then the router. Then we moved the computer to the next room, leaving the modem and router in the living room. And the connection still worked. Whew! I got home at about 9pm. She did feed me lunch AND dinner. :)

Let's hope this good deed goes unpunished.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:33 PM

Well, you used Canadian counting. That's how "Shane" would have counted were he still with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:22 PM

No, wait. I didn't count right.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:22 PM

Ummm... 23,000?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:18 PM

Sounds to me like they're afraid their kids might get too smart for them, Rapaire...just like Black folks and Injuns gittin' too smart! Cain't have that. Folks gits uppity when they has had too much eddication.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 09:55 PM

Like the old cowboy said, "About 2% of the people kin read or hear something and learn from it and not make the same mistake. Another 2% kin learn from their mistakes. The rest of us just keep pissin' in our boots."

Americans have always had a fear of intellectualism and education -- a love/hate relationship. "My cows don't need libraries," is a saying out here (and to which I reply, "Maybe that's why they're still cows").

"You only need enough education to figger out if your paycheck's right." "Just teach 'em readin', writin', and 'rithmetic. 'Sall anybody needs."
"I never went beyond the eighth grade and I turned out okay."
"Too much schoolin' spoils the kid."

And yet...when the kid graduates Mom and Dad are ready to bust their buttons with pride. "He got hisself a college degree and look! He ain't stuck up or nothin'!"

Among the very first things the settlers did was set up a school of some sort. Among the last things discarded on Oregon Trail when the going got bad were books -- with Shakespeare predominating.

Go figger....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 09:01 PM

Well said.

Indeed, a powerful intellect which is cold...devoid of compassion or positivity...can be a very dangerous thing, and those types are sometimes seen speaking out on behalf of extremely toxic philosophies. The neocon movement has a few clever, even brilliant people of that type at its center. I was going to say "at its heart", but then it occurred to me that it's a movement which has no heart.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 07:46 PM

There is a kind of semi-toxic intellectualism which is resorted to by souls too battered to be wholly themselves, which substitutes categories for perception and analysis for feelings, which can easily corrode the human spirit into dead thinkingness.

But the same information can lend great spirit to a group which embraces and debates it unafraid, while still remembering who they are inside.

Being able to handle information well astonishes people sometimes because it is a rarity, and sometimes it puts people off if they believe it is a sign of falsity or cold-heartedness--but there is no reason at all it has to be either.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 05:20 PM

Nice interview with S.J. I don't think, however, that a statistic stating that "x" number of people believe in ghosts or in Angles proves anything....until you find out WHY they believe in ghosts or in Angels.

For instance, I believe in evolution and science...and I also believe in ghosts and Angels. You would have to know WHY I believe in ghosts and angels before you could arrive at any kind of realistic assumptions about my beliefs in general.

It is not enough to simply assume that those beliefs (science vs ghosts? evolution vs Angels) are in some way contradictory...and that one MUST therefore believe either one or the other...as if they lay on two sides of an irreconcilable divide. Life is not that simple.

And this is one reason why opinion polls can be very misleading...the questions they ask are too limiting.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 04:39 PM

I've been saying for years on this forum that there is a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism woven deeply through American culture. It can be found in the macho stereotypes perpetuated in movies, TV, and popular entertainment generally....and in the form of dumbass or folksy politicians like Bush or Reagan who get elected...while more cerebral ones like Adlai Stevenson, Al Gore, or Dennis Kucinich get rejected.

Who is the bad guy in most Hollywood thrillers? The intellectual guy. Who is the good guy? The homespun man of action.

This does not help to produce an intelligent society or an enlightened government...it helps to produce the new Fascism (in my opinion). The Fascists hated intellectuals too, because intellectuals tend to ask questions. All authoritarian systems despise intellectuals (except the few who will toe the party line...call them "pet" intellects in service of the system).

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Rapaire - Chongo's moral sensibilities? Well...

- Ya don't hit a woman. Try and treat 'em nice at all times, if possible. Be courteous. It's true that in the old movies ya used to have to slap a dame if she went hysterical...to snap her out of it...but that behaviour ain't kosher no more. Times have changed. Keep this in mind at all times. If a man goes hysterical...slap him!

- Ya don't hurt children.

- Ya don't break the law...unless not breakin' it would cause more harm than breakin' it. That's a judgement call ya got to make for yerself.

- If ya gotta slap a witness around some to get him to squeal, don't overdo it. Just slap him around enough so he talks. No need to go overboard.

- Save yer brass knuckles for when ya really need 'em.

- Same for the Tommy Gun. An ordinary handgun will do for most situations. It's ostentatious to use a Tommy Gun when a handgun will do.

- If ya gotta lie, make it a good one.

- If ya gotta shoot someone, make sure not to waste yer ammo. Kill him stone dead with the first shot and save the rest, cos you might need it. He might have friends in the neighborhood.

- Never give a gorilla credit for bein' smarter than he looks. Usually it's the other way around.

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Anti-intellectualism goes over pretty big with chimps too, come to think of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 04:25 PM

Double thanks. I am very impressed with Ms. S.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:59 PM

Ah, many thanks. Susan J. is riveting, and hitting right on my sweet spot...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:49 PM

You can watch it online.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:36 PM

Never mind Chongo--these boys are WAY out of his league, old pal. I won't add, "...or yours", because I respect your vital homegrown intellect.


Wish I had caught it, Stilly.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:31 PM

Susan Jacoby was on last night.

    The notion that Americans aren't often at the top of the ladder of erudition isn't new. Every year the media points out how poorly U.S. kids perform in math and geography feats compared to many other nations' school children. Susan Jacoby follows a notable scholarly tradition with her new book, THE AGE OF UNREASON. In 1964 historian Richard Hofstadter won the Pulizter Prize with his lament ? ANTI-INTELLECUTALISM IN AMERICAN LIFE: "The national distaste for the intellectual appeared to be not just a disgrace but a hazard to survival." Jacoby says of Hofstatder's work now: "It is difficult to suppress the fear that the scales of American history have shifted heavily against the vibrant and varied intellectual life so essential to functional democracy."

    Are we in danger from our "addiction to infotainment" rather than a reliance on rationality? Tell us on the blog.



Biography

Susan Jacoby, who began her writing career as a reporter for THE WASHINGTON POST, is the author of five books, including WILD JUSTICE, a Pulitzer Prize finalist. Awarded fellowships by the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities and the New York Public Library's Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers, she has been a contributor to THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, THE NATION, TomPaine.com and the AARP BULLETIN, among other publications. She is also director of the Center for Inquiry-Metro New York and lives in New York City.

Bill Moyers spoke with Jacoby about FREETHINKERS: A HISTORY OF AMERICAN SECULARISM in 2004, in which Jacoby offered an impassioned history that challenges the current marginalization of secular values. (Watch the interview.) Her newest book is THE AGE OF UNREASON.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:25 PM

Which are, exactly, what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM

He'll do almost anything if you pay him.

Well, I mean anything that doesn't offend his moral sensibilities.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 02:33 PM

I doubt Chongo would be intereste din tracking down clues about a Bill Moyers show...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 02:00 PM

Perhaps you should get in touch with Chongo, given the fact that Sherlock Holmes is no longer available.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 01:53 PM

Ah, I see no clues are forthcoming. One of us or the other must be clueless...


On this subject, that would be I.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:28 AM

Well I missed that command altogether so I didn't. How about a clue?

Several, if you can spare them.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 10:46 PM

Watch Bill Moyer tonight

It's a really excellent program. It's on here right now, if you're on the west coast it probably hasn't come on yet. Record it or sit down and watch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 05:47 PM

Yes. I know several such here. Even now they are usually haunted men.

They are stable, law-abiding, caring citizens who if it were necessary could kill without a qualm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 05:28 PM

Thanks; I have known some who went on such, sometimes having to do most unkindly things to the men, women and children they met in their wanderings. A hudder to remember, even thirty year slater.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:49 PM

here.

(Dagslab goodfernothin' computer buttons....)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:48 PM

Long Range Reconnaisance Patrol. Explanation


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