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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 10:19 AM

Shall I bring in Teilhard de Chardin's Omega Point or McLuhan's Global Village at this point? Or suggest re-reading "Childhood's End"?

Of course we are all stuck in our physical shells. Sometimes, once in a rare while, something will join two or more together and when it happens it goes beyond "love".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:51 PM

As with all things, consciousness is a gradient phenomenon, and its degrees of separation or closeness of unity are infinite in number, not discrete states. But even in the state of "normal" separation, two people can build a strong union between them over time that is close to telepathic and highly rewarding. It requires an interesting series of encounters, exchanges, compromises, victories and surrenders which constitute a fine voyage in their own right!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:21 PM

Well said, Eiseley!

As physical beings with outer personalities we are irrevocably solitary. Our very identity as individuals has defined us that way.

Most of the spiritual material I read, though, suggests to me that this is "the illusion of separation", as we are all part of a single Unity in Spirit, and in a very intimate way, but we don't perceive that when we exist here in separate bodies. We perceive ourselves as irrevocably separated from one another. Sex is very pleasurable, because it seems briefly to remove the sense of separation and achieve a short-lived unity.

The only way to permanently end the sense of separation is to achieve a unitive consciousness (known as "enlightenment" or "Self-realization" in the Eastern traditions).

That's something most people never even think about. Nor do they strive for it. Nor does their society encourage them to. Only a few spiritual students here and there strive for it, so it's something that occurs quietly in most societies, gets little notice, and goes unremarked upon most of the time.

When in a unitive consciousness you don't just love "this one" or "that one", you love everyone and everything in an undemanding and unconditional fashion...because you realize that they are you and you are they and there IS no separation.

Individuals who have achieved a Unitive consciousness are very rare. I think I've met one such, and I've met one or two others who were getting close to it. You can tell, because it's wonderful just to be around them. They are very peaceful, positive, full of positive energy and ideas, highly motivated, friendly, lively, relaxed, hardworking, and kind. They render much service unto others.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:08 PM

I agree with what Rilke said: "And to speak of solitude again, it becomes clearer and clearer that fundamentally this is nothing that one can choose or refrain from. We are solitary. We can delude ourselves about this and act as if it were not true. That is all. But how much better it is to recognize that we are alone; yes, even to begin from this realization."

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 05:06 PM

I liked the watermelon joke, Rapparee.

I'd much rather be alone, and I am happily so, than to be stuck. Right now, even though there is no living significant other, the three very significant young 'uns take up as much of my active energy as I could wish.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:30 PM

Good stuff. ;-) You have realized that you are perfectly allright on your own. If more people did realize that, they wouldn't dive into romantic relationships just to escape their fear OF being alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:22 PM

There's one guy down here trying pretty hard to get my attention. He's smart, funny, not too bad to look at. Enough older than me that I see that as a bit of a negative, but he's fit, probably more fit than I am. But when I try to imagine fitting a significant other into my life right now, I just can't do it. Like you two, I am fine on my own, I keep myself entertained, and some of the things that interest me keep me so busy that others might dismiss the amount of attention I spend. My garden for example, is important, organic practices are important, and food preservation is important. I am sure that the Little Red Hen story is true - they'd come around for the cooking and eating part of the garden, but not the digging, planting weeding, hovering over part. Why enter a relationship with someone who will dismiss my interests? I'm the same way about several things that interest me, and until some smart rich good looking hunk who doesn't practice passive-aggression comes along and sweeps me off my feet, I'm fine where I am. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:15 PM

My hands haven't been anywhere where I wouldn't choose to go, Rapparee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 04:01 PM

Nothing wrong with shaking hands.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 03:28 PM

They'd do that after where THOSE hands have been?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:37 PM

If the day ever comes when Gnu and Little Hawk get to shake hands, watch out! ... ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:30 PM

I have said, "I'd rather be lonely alone." Made that come true over ten years back. Not that I am lonely now. Absolutely not. Of course, being a male still in ah, er, you know, I still get awful ah, er, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 02:16 PM

Maybe y'all should read Martin Heidegger's "Being and Truth." Decent book for a near-existentialist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM

You probably have no idea with what complete equanamity and thorough enjoyment I appreciate the single life, people... ;-) I love it. It leaves me free to quietly be me and do what I enjoy doing. It is in no way disappointing to me nor do I feel in the least deprived by not having a "significant other" at my elbow.

Women friends? Yup! Got several of those, and I like them. Female friends are great. Girlfriend or wife? Nope. And I don't miss them.

That's not to say I might not at some point get back into such a relationship. It's always possible, and I'm open to the possibility if someone came along that I felt that way about and the feeling was mutual. But I'm not looking around for it, and I don't miss it.

You know what loneliness really is? Loneliness is not liking your own company. And the worst kind of loneliness is being lonely IN a relationship or in the middle of a crowded party. That's just bloody awful. I'm not lonely these days, and haven't been in a long time. I think I was last lonely sometime back in the 90s.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:40 PM

She was any number of people I've seen.

Claudette, who went out with my friend Brian in the 70s was one such. Hell, I've seen thousands of girls like that. I see them in the shopping malls playing their little games. ;-)

As for those I've actually gone out with...hmmm...? Well, I had one that was considerably WORSE than the very common and tawdry type I described in my example. Far worse. The girl I was describing in my example was just regular, run-of-the-mill, it's a very common situation, but she was not directly inspired by anyone I've gone out with myself...just something I've observed around me. And I might just as well have used a guy in that example. They often play mind games on their girlfriends too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:29 PM

He doesn't remember, and she's gone now, since he dropped a watermelon on her from top of that tall tower in Toronto.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM

Re eg #2... what was her name, LH?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 01:00 PM

I think you're right, Amos. The one essential truth is Being. Being, however, is constantly re-inventing itself into new forms of Being and that's where change comes in...but...it's all happening now, because it always IS now and it always will be! ;-)

Human beings spend much of their time trying to escape the present. They seem to regard it as an obstacle (or a disappointment), and that is the fundamental error in their state of consciousness.

Example: A man stopped at a traffic light, impatiently drumming his fingers on the wheel and muttering, "Change, damn it!"

He isn't comfortable with the present. He refuses to embrace it. He turns his experience of the present into frustration.

Example 2: A girl is uncomfortable with her relationship with her boyfriend, because he isn't perfect...like the movie idols she dreams about. So she plays mind games on him and makes him jealous in order to introduce a little drama into a situation she's basically bored with.

She isn't comfortable with the present. She refuses to embrace it. She refuses to experience love fully in the present, but imagines it occurring in some ideal future...a future which will probably never arrive.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 12:20 PM

I have briefly arrived at the conclusion that in the maelstrom of human Becoming, the only truth is Being. But that those enmeshed in the maelstrom cannot connect with Being, as they are immersed in the trials and tribulations of becoming. This may be the most fundamental statement of the problem yet.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 10:20 AM

There was rain, rain, lovely rain!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 01 Aug 11 - 09:53 AM

Little Hawk, it has been done, to some degree. David Letterman has done pranks like this for years. This is an old one.

Gnu, things may not always be bigger here, but lately, they're certainly hotter here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 11:22 PM

The best thing to do with a really LARGE watermelon is to haul it up to the top of the CN Tower, take it out on the observation deck, and throw it off...having first, of course, cleared the square below of passersby. The result is spectacular! Or it would be...if the police and the city would only let me do it... (sigh)

Another unrealized dream.

(* The CN Tower is the tallest building in Canada. And that's damn tall! For awhile I think it was the tallest in the world.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM

I love Rapparee. He makes good jokes.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 07:11 PM

There was a gathering of LDS Bishops here at the same time and hotel the Idaho Legion was meeting. Both asked that watermelon be served, but the Legion as that it be charged beforehand with 100 proof vodka.

Well, the chef got the two orders mixed up and he sent a waiter to see what was going on. The waiter came back and reported that the Legion was proceeding in its meeting quite well, and were quite well behaved.

"And the bishops?" asked the chef.

"They're running around shoving watermelon seeds in their pockets," replied the waiter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 06:30 PM

Claudine used to cut an oblong hole in a watermelon al la pumpkin style, scoop out the guts, mash it, pour in vodka and white rum and crushed ice, put it back in the melon and carve a space in the "lid' she cut out for a ladle.

I had a large glass one day whilst sitting in a lawn chair admiring the beach bunnies through my sunglasses on the edge of the lawn of the last cottage on the beach next to Parlee Beach (world famous Parlee Beach). It was about 35C. You couldn't taste the booze until you woke up.... can you say "Reach out and grab you by the booboo!"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM

HUge watermelons are a wonderful thing in a large household, a company picnic, or a hootenanny. But in an ordinary household they have to constantly be taken out of the fridge, small slices taken off and then pout back into the fridge with Saran Wrap over them. A large watermelon can last a week this way in a small household, and a huge one, two or three weeks. The labor in moving it around is enormous!!
However it shares the advantage that it can suck up a half-gallon of vodka without leaking.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 01:56 PM

A... it's "g"nu to you, sir.

SRS... is everything bigger in Texas? I just saw watermelons ($3.33 a piece each? HOW can they grow, ship, handle them AND make money at $3.33?) at the Coop and they are at LEAST 1.5 times the size as the Florida watermelons. HUGE I say.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 01:45 PM

Ah, Amos and LH. Even for those of us with no religious leanings know about Jonathan Edwards and his Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. It's one of the "cultural literacy" things that goes along with learning American History. "The arrows of death fly unseen at noonday; the sharpest sight can't discern them. God has so many different unsearchable ways of taking wicked men out of the world and sending 'em to hell, that there is nothing to make it appear that God had need to be at the expense of a miracle, or go out of the ordinary course of his providence, to destroy any wicked man, at any moment."

It did have something to do with the conversation several dozen posts back. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 01:16 PM

Pish, tush, sirrah. I bite my paycheck in your general direction. Your asnide superiority is a thin veneer for the deep mortal torture underneath. My condolences for your pain.

I am going to the Getaway to sing the long night through with my dearest friends. I have invited ALL of Mom's sibs to join me, including Little Hawk and Gnu. The Manne of Emms and the Manne of Booques have accepted. I do beseech the Fayre Ladyes Eiseley and Stilly to come as well. And Little Hawk, who would add much to the merriment. How could a manne of his mettle decline? He hies himself to Cuba, but the joys of Maryland have thus far escaped him!! Come on, laggard dolt!! :D

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 11:39 AM

Those who are all-powerful can afford to be all-merciful. It is those who fear the limits of their reach who take vengeance and mete out punishment. Only an insecure and fearful God would punish mortals for going astray.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 11:07 AM

I shall let him continue his worthless, drab life, trudging day after day to meaningless work where he must associate with drab, meaningless co-workers like a hamster in a wheel or Sisyphus perpetually rolling his boulder to the top of the hill only to have it roll back to the bottom while, like Prometheus, he is bound to the rock of a job while vultures and ravens of the less capable feast upon his guts but unlike Prometheus this will be done as a caprice, a whim on my part, instead of a punishment. There will be no punishment, for I am All-Merciful.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 11:05 AM

Go right ahead and defy me, sir! It will do you no good. I laugh at your pitiable defiance. Ha!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 10:56 AM

Well, I defy you, too, Little Hawk. Nothing personal; I am just having a defiant sort of morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 10:49 AM

You have just been defied, Rap. Watcha gonna do? Zap him? Cast him into a pool of piranhas? Infest his house with a billion locusts? How shall the apostate be dealt with?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 10:43 AM

WEll, that's a real killer of a thought. Great. "Shutup and wait". No thanks, Bookman. I defy that reasoning altogether. Ptui.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 11:12 PM

Besides, y'all'll know soon enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 11:11 PM

You many argue all you wish, but I will still be merciful to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 11:00 PM

I think they were about as wrong as wrong can be...in terms of a God who takes vengeance on people. They were right about some other stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 10:05 PM

LEt us pray they were actually as wrong as you are making them out to be, sirrah.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 07:00 PM

I don't give two toots about the ancient Israelites' obsession with their idea of an angry and vengeful God, Stilly. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 06:31 PM

Maybe I am reading between the lines but, you eat some bad Calleeforneeahh raisins A?

Meanwhile, back near the biggest event on the earth tonight (in a public venue), I have just completed my ten laps (2.5km) and I never heard squat from up on the hill. The rain stopped about 45 minutes ago but the air is so humid the music cannot be heard from here, at least by humans of my age. Perhaps if I paid a scalper $1200 at the last... hahahahahaha!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 03:15 PM

I just have no patience for long-winded dissertations about the subtle exposition of moralistic, over-generalized assertions derived from a postulated impossibility with absurd preoccupations. Two lines and a cold, censorious wind goes through me and I close the book. Bam.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 03:11 PM

Here's one well-established opinion about that, LH. Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 03:04 PM

Correctly stated, you can imply that it was a private concert at your house.

By the way, I did some investigating and it's not U-2, the band with Bono. It's U-Two, the band with Boneo. They play a sort of Country-Western Reggae with polka undertones.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 01:22 PM

Holy crap Mum! Is it ever raining now! AaaaNOTHER downpour. People with all manner of raingear (many garbage-bagged youths) trekking the sidewalks here on there way to the bus pickup point for the concert about 500m from me. The concert is about 4km from me as the crow flies. They park in the surrounding neighbourhoods and walk to the pickup point. I don't think U2 is worth a cold (17C... but no wind thank goodness) and blistered feet but I am not young and stupid. Just stupid... I really shoulda bought a Red Zone VIP ticket. $275 and who knows if they'll ever be back?

On the bright side, tis supposed to clear before U2 hit the stage and, if the wind stays down, I should be able to say I heard U2 live in concert at my house.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 01:03 PM

What to serve with Will?

"People who behave badly end up being their own punishment." Now, THERE is a statement worthy of notation! I foresee it quoted by scholars and philosophers for thousands of years. Well, at least until the Fukushima radiation destroys life on earth as we know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 11:41 AM

That is up to you, sir. You have been given free will.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 11:31 AM

You mean no more toddler au jus? I don't have any of the other stuff anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 10:18 AM

I don't think God gets upset with anybody, but has considerable compassion for both children...and the people who in their deep misunderstanding are mean to children. People get upset with other people. God doesn't. In my opinion.

You see, I simply do not believe in an angry God who metes out punishment to the "sinner". People who behave badly end up being their own punishment, plus they get a lot from other people, usually. Life itself punishes them, because they arrange it that way. (This doesn't mean they don't necessarily get a lot of power, money or material stuff and die rich in bed...it's not about that. It's about having inner peace, deep love, and a sense of fullfillment in your life. People who achieve inner peace, deep love, and a sense of fullfillment aren't mean to children and they aren't driven to run around frantically after money, power, and a ton of material stuff.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jul 11 - 08:59 AM

Mean to kids?? Nah, I cook them with loving care with a hand-made beuchamel sauce.


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